YTSEJAM Digest 3087
Today's Topics:
1) Prog humour
by "Neil Gallop" <nga@software-ag.de>
2) Poop!
by "L. Jason Hartman" <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu>
3) re: Angra mailing list
by <CNG@tcco.com> "Chung Ng"
4) Fan club, and UK touring
by Graham Borland <gborland@apsoft.co.uk>
5) A longshot..
by Lauzon.Gary@ic.gc.ca (Lauzon, Gary: IHAB)
6) Setlist....
by sl080890@mailhost.sju.edu (Stephen LaMonica)
7) New DT album!!!
by Dave Peterson <glyde@scc.net>
8) TON, KISS
by "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
9) Michael Harris & G3 in Dallas
by cmustard@netdot.com (Mark Lampert)
10) Re: New DT album!!!
by "Kouroumalis V. CSM BSc/Computing 2" <Vassilios.Kouroumalis@csm.uwe.ac.uk>
11) !!!IMPORTANT DT TOUR NEWS !!!!
by "D. Schoen" <denis.schoen@tip.nl>
12) The younger ones must DIE!
by Paul Goracke <pgor@netcom.com>
13) Re: my e-mail
by "Dale R. Newberry" <Dale.R.Newberry@MO.NET>
14) Re: the Thanks thing...
by "Michael G. Jones" <mgjones@Mcs.Net>
15) Boots...
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
16) re: Angra mailing list
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
17) "Thanks but no thanks"? Nahh...
by "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
18) The Young Ones
by Lobsterback <hender@wam.umd.edu>
19) Things of silliness
by Chris Ptacek <someone@prognosis.com>
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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 14:14:51 +0100
From: "Neil Gallop" <nga@software-ag.de>
To: "The Ytsejam Crowd" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Prog humour
Message-ID: <9710091314.AA14767@server3.software-ag.de>
Hi all
this is one for all of you Yes fans with a sense of humour. Fire up
the browser of your choice and point it to
http://www.theonion.com/onion3106/yeslyrics.html
Is this possibly what Bafu Vai is up to these days? There are also
a few other amusing articles about music in the archives.
stay safe and happy listening
Neil Gallop (nga@software-ag.de)
(http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Rapids/2321)
Currently playing: Anathema - Eternity
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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 09:27:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: "L. Jason Hartman" <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Poop!
Message-ID: <199710091327.JAA17904@umbc8.umbc.edu>
I'm glad to see that someone else remembers Poop!! I'm not sure
if he is still with the band. The best Poop story was at the
Birch Hell show on the Home For the Holiday's tour. The band
was coming back up on stage to do the encore but the stage was
all dark and the band couldn't see shit. James says something to
the effect of "hey, it's dark up here and we can't see" or "I wish
the lighting crew would get it together" or someshit and then
Mike yells "WAKE UP POOP!!".
I loved it!
-- /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \ / / L. Jason Hartman "And I'll smile and I'll learn to pretend \ \ lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu And I'll never be open again / / And I'll have no more dreams to defend \ \ Univ. Of Maryland, And I'll never be open again " / / Baltimore County - Kevin Moore : Dream Theater \ \ / / "Make it idiot proof and someone will make a better idiot." \ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/------------------------------
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 97 9:20:14 EDT From: <CNG@tcco.com> "Chung Ng" To: <ytsejam@ax.com>, <zombie@mail.telepac.pt> Subject: re: Angra mailing list Message-ID: <vines.3hH8++cBDoA@tcx.tcco.com>
>Anyone can tell me if there is any Angra Mailing list. > >Go to the Reaching Horizons Home Page at >http://www.regra.com.br/mucica/angra/angra.htm >and you can subscibe there.
Is anyone on the Angra mailing list? I've subscribed three times (with my work and also my AOL accounts) and still haven't gotten anything. Thanks
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Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 14:36:13 +0100 (BST) From: Graham Borland <gborland@apsoft.co.uk> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Fan club, and UK touring Message-ID: <Marcel-1.26-1009133613-b49rZWN@mor.apsoft.co.uk>
The fan club gives amazing value for money. It's not just some dumb fanzine . . . it's a proper mini-magazine packed with great material direct from the horses' mouths, so to speak. Neil is in frequent touch with DT members and management, and there's loads of stuff in there that we just don't get on the jam.
The bonus CDs at Christmas, signed posters, etc, really make the whole fan club worthwhile. People who complain about the fan club cost, and who think that we should get DT freebies just for subscribing to the jam, are really being a bit silly.
> From: Andrew Moore <asmoore@bridge.anglia.ac.uk> > Subject: various comments
> I've now moved from the North East of England (where DT would never play in > a millenium) down south, so I now have a chance of seeing a London show.
Actually, DT did two full UK tours back in 1993 (for I&W, and then for LATM). They went all over England, Scotland and Wales (I got to see them in both Glasgow and Edinburgh).
Sadly, though, the UK tour for Awake only consisted of a solitary show in London.
Graham
-- Graham Borland Email : gborland@apsoft.co.uk WWW : http://www.apsoft.co.uk Alternative Publishing Ltd Tel : 0141 418 0881 30 Clyde Place, Glasgow G5 8AQ Fax : 0141 418 0889
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Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 09:58:11 -0400 From: Lauzon.Gary@ic.gc.ca (Lauzon, Gary: IHAB) To: ytsejam@ax.com ('DT') Subject: A longshot.. Message-ID: <1997Oct09.090139.1255.987917@msmail.ic.gc.ca>
Just wondering if anyone was planning to attend the TO show from Ottawa, is someone from this area was willing to drive there? Please e-mail me if so:
Thx
Gary
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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 09:55:55 -0400 (EDT) From: sl080890@mailhost.sju.edu (Stephen LaMonica) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Setlist.... Message-ID: <199710091355.JAA14117@polaris.sju>
Just replying to talk about an awsome set list...I will limit it to 14 songs
1 New Millenium(agree with you there)-possibility of a Chapman stick solo??? 2 Afterlife 3 Caught in a Web 4 Change of Seasons Don't know which parts yet 5 Metropolis 6 Hell's Kitchen 7 Lines in the Sand 8 Pull Me Under 9 6:00 10 Take The Time 11 Those Who Help To Set The Sun(I love that song) 12 Innocence Faded 13 Ytse Jam 14 Trial of Tears Does this sound like a decent set list, let me know.
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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 09:06:33 -0500 (CDT) From: Dave Peterson <glyde@scc.net> To: DT Mailing list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: New DT album!!! Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.971009090223.20860A-100000@SOUND.SCC.NET>
Oh my GAWD!!!
You guys won't believe this, but I just read on the OFFICIAL DT website that they are releasing a NEW DREAM THEATER ALBUM!!!
According to the Official site, the album's name is Awake and it's over 75 minutes in length!!!
Finally our patience has paid off - we now have something to look forward to since Images and Words and Live at the Marquee!!!
It is so great that we have a valuable resource such as the Official DT website to keep us up-to-date on such late-breaking developments...
Rock-on, ytsejammers!!!
ytsejam@arastar.com will never die!!!
- Dr. Teeth
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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 07:07:48 -0700 From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: TON, KISS Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=kbhq%l=KBHQ-971009140748Z-44514@ms.Kallback.com>
>I heard the most bizarre cover yesterday. >It was Type O Negative covering the song Summer Breeze. >It's on the I Know What You Did Last Summer soundtrack. > >and have you heard the new Kiss single? >Don't they know grunge is dead? :) > >
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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 09:09:15 -0500 From: cmustard@netdot.com (Mark Lampert) To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Michael Harris & G3 in Dallas Message-ID: <19971009140345220.AAA218@cmustard.vonl.com>
Ahoy,
Attention Dallas 'jammers going to see G3 at the Bronco Bowl this Friday:
Michael Harris won the tryouts for the opening slot - he and his solo band will be opening for the G3 Friday night at the Bronco Bowl! If any of you are going, this would be a great time to see Harris and the G3 in one evening - anyone who goes please give a review! · • Colonel Mustard • ·
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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 15:41:05 +0100 From: "Kouroumalis V. CSM BSc/Computing 2" <Vassilios.Kouroumalis@csm.uwe.ac.uk> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: New DT album!!! Message-ID: <199710091441.PAA05769@milly>
> > > > Oh my GAWD!!! > > You guys won't believe this, but I just read on the OFFICIAL DT website > that they are releasing a NEW DREAM THEATER ALBUM!!! > > According to the Official site, the album's name is Awake and it's over > 75 minutes in length!!! > > Finally our patience has paid off - we now have something to look forward > to since Images and Words and Live at the Marquee!!! > > It is so great that we have a valuable resource such as the Official DT > website to keep us up-to-date on such late-breaking developments... > > Rock-on, ytsejammers!!! > > ytsejam@arastar.com will never die!!! > > > - Dr. Teeth > > Finaly after all these years of anticipation we get to hear a brand brand new album. Oh, I hope Kevin Moore is on it! Vic ps: I admit it: I really dont know if he means it or not...
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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 16:55:56 +0100 From: "D. Schoen" <denis.schoen@tip.nl> To: "Ytse Jam Mailing list" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: !!!IMPORTANT DT TOUR NEWS !!!! Message-ID: <m0xJK1K-001YSAC@helium.tip.nl>
Hey jammers !!!
We (Theaters Of Dreams-official dutch DT FC) have just heard (officially from Mojo -concerts) that Dream Theater will play one gig at the Maaspoort , Den Bosch, Holland !!!!. This event will take place on 3 December (this year) !!! There is also a (good) possibility that Dream Theater will play at the Biskuithalle in Bonn (Germany) (December the 4th) Our readers will get more info as soon as we put a mailing together.
Denis/TOD Holland
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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 08:31:25 -0700 From: Paul Goracke <pgor@netcom.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: The younger ones must DIE! Message-ID: <l03110701b062a5c56e12@[128.95.235.96]>
Jan Ziese wrote:
>Couldn't resist... But seriously I feel very sorry for you and hope you'll >find a way. It's so stupid to only allow people aged 21+. If someone's 17 or >19 or whatsoever, is he in danger to be mentally damaged when attending a DT >show? That's just ridiculous...
Well, you see, we have these laws about alcohol--specifically that you must be 21+ to purchase and drink. Agree or not, they currently exist and you have to work w/ them. When a band plays at locations that serve alcohol, most likely you'll need to be 21+ to get in, since they'll be selling alcohol that night. Why? To make money. It's just that simple.
If you don't like it:
a) Try to start your own all ages club. Deal w/ rent, taxes, insurance, booking, security, etc., and you'll soon see why these places want to sell alcohol to increase their revenue.
and/or
b) Try to (politely!) convince certain clubs that they can actually recoup the expenses (and more) by having some shows all ages (no alcohol) or mixed ages (usually wristbands or hand stamps). You'll need to make sure plenty of underage fans show up and wave their little green dollars into the tills for this to work--the administration of things such as mixed ages can be a big hassle, and the authorities usually have a very careful eye on these events. One bad apple _can_ spoil this situation.
While I believe that more music should be available to all ages, clubs don't run on ideology--they run on money. They may believe in your cause, but you'll have to convince them w/ cash.
Of course, these options take time, and probably won't help you for any upcoming DT dates. Sorry, can't help you there--trying to fake your way in can land you in jail in every U.S. city I know of, so I don't recommend it (yes, I know plenty of people will do it anyway, even succeed).
Yeah, it's a bummer. I remember looking forward to my 21st birthday. Not so I could drink, but so I could go see bands play live.
pg
--------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Goracke | "To do is to be" - Aristotle pgor@netcom.com | "To be is to do" - Plato | "Do be do be do" - Sinatra ---------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 11:17:31 +0000 From: "Dale R. Newberry" <Dale.R.Newberry@MO.NET> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: my e-mail Message-ID: <199710091615.LAA23744@Walden.MO.NET>
For anyone who has tried to e-mail me and has had trouble, my address is drnewb@mo.net. I've been having trouble with how it displays. Sorry about that.
Dale R> Newberry "People think I'm insane because I am frowning all the time." - Ozzy Osbourne
"Bein' crazy is the least of my worries." -Jack Kerouac
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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 11:51:02 -0500 From: "Michael G. Jones" <mgjones@Mcs.Net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: the Thanks thing... Message-ID: <19971009115102.11127@Mars.mcs.net>
On Thu, Oct 09, 1997 at 02:11:02AM -0700, Dr. Mosh wrote: > > > Hey... who cares if they didn't thank us or whoever in the liner notes...
Probably just as well. Whoever did the liner notes would probably have misspelled "Ytsejam" anyway. ;)
-- Mike Jones, mgjones@mcs.net _____________ Web Design: mike@biggorilla.com Progressive Genius ( http://www.progmetal.org ) Progressive Metal WebRing
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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 15:00:04 -0300 (EST) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Boots... Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.971009145341.3536B-100000@hoare.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Thu, 9 Oct 1997, Andrew Moore wrote:
> How on earth did people get access to these songs (CME and WAYN)? They are
I don't know about CME, but I have Where Are You Now on a boot CD, along with Raise the Knife (the long version, not the 3 min version). :-) You can get more information on <www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html> :-)
> Andy
[]s, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 15:03:06 -0300 (EST) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: re: Angra mailing list Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.971009150123.3536C-100000@hoare.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Thu, 9 Oct 1997 CNG@tcco.com wrote:
> >Anyone can tell me if there is any Angra Mailing list. > > > >Go to the Reaching Horizons Home Page at > >http://www.regra.com.br/musica/angra/angra.htm > >and you can subscibe there. > > Is anyone on the Angra mailing list? I've subscribed three times (with my > work and also my AOL accounts) and still haven't gotten anything. Thanks
I'm not subscribed on this mailing list, but before I knew about it, I was thinking of starting a mailing list (that, of course, would be administrated by me, that is, it would have at least a lot of messages from one person :-) ).
What do you think about this second mailing list, since the first don't seem to work??
[]s, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 10:01:00 -0700 (PDT) From: "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: "Thanks but no thanks"? Nahh... Message-ID: <199710091701.AA04738@crl5.crl.com>
I was a bit surprised -- but not devastated -- that we weren't mentioned within FII, but consider:
For every one of us on the Jam, DT has N fans out there who care about the band as much as, and in some cases probably more than, we do. We have no monopoly on DT "fannishness." We are not the apex or the zenith of their fandom. We are a sizeable part, we are a friendly part, and above all we're a LOUD part, but there are plenty of others out there who support the band, who will follow the tour (if only they can find out the damn dates :)), who buy the bootlegs.....
It's easy as shit to read messages in a mailing list, respond to them, exchange email online......it's a lot harder to exchange postal letters, write letters to the fan club in the hope they'll be published in the DT fanzine (or answered by someone), etc. In some ways, WE'RE the ones who have it easy. Think about it.
Maybe when DT thanks their fans around the world, it's their way of including ALL of us. Not just the ones who post on here or on the newsgroups, but the ones who, say, fly to New York from Phoenix just to catch DT at those Christmas shows, and who WEREN'T on the Jam. Ask Mike Bahr; he was on the same plane with them.
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Atlanta and Southeast-area DT fans (whether you're online or not :)), get in touch; I'm assembling an email list for SE shows, on the certain hope that they'll tour down here EVENTUALLY. (Labrie promised me they'd be playing Atlanta, so if they don't, there's gonna be a LOT of dead caribou out there somewhere. :))
FOR ANYONE, if you are travelling to the Atlanta date (whenever it's announced; see above regarding caribou massacres), I'll have room here for several travelling jammers if you don't mind a floor.
-- +-- ...once the cloud that's raining ---+- Paul W. Cashman ---+ | over your head / disappears | vanyel@crl.com | | the noise that you hear | www.crl.com/~vanyel | +--is the crashing down of Hollow Years.... <-+--< Dream Theater -----+
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Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 13:45:42 -0400 From: Lobsterback <hender@wam.umd.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: The Young Ones Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19971009134542.006caaf8@pop.wam.umd.edu>
>>Anyone have any good ideas on how we younger Jammers can get to see the >>guys? The House of Blues is 21 and over... Doh! >=> No problem, just wait 'till you grow up!!! >Couldn't resist... But seriously I feel very sorry for you and hope you'll >find a way. It's so stupid to only allow people aged 21+. If someone's 17 or >19 or whatsoever, is he in danger to be mentally damaged when attending a DT >show? That's just ridiculous...
There's a large chunk of 'Jammers and the fan-base as a whole under the age of 21-ness. I myself will go on the record -- my name is Brian Henderson, and I...I...I'm an 18-year-old! Considering a huge portion of the Ytsecommunity goes to college, and most college kids are between the ages of 18 and 22, that says right there that 3/4 or so of them would be unable to gain entry to one of these anal clubs. Perhaps they don't realize I have money. Maybe I won't be buying booze there, but I'm still paying admittance, and buying the band's merchandize. Why don't these clubs do a bracelet system, like they did at Birch Hill? (Egads -- I'm using Bitch Hell as a *positive* example!!) That'd solve their problems. My ID/age is only necessary if I want to drink, and they can readily identify me by my type ("...bracelets on thars...", much like a Sneech).
Gotta run, campadres.
Brian Henderson hender@wam.umd.edu
"I don't no nuthin' about no Chinese food. All I know is somebody order a pizza and somebody better pay for it." -- Mr. T
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Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 13:17:42 -0500 From: Chris Ptacek <someone@prognosis.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Things of silliness Message-ID: <2.2.32.19971009181742.00ca7e7c@pop.enteract.com>
I can't believe some of you were or are upset by JP calling some of his earlier music immature. This is getting a little beyond being a fan, and a little closer to being a psycho. Besides, just because JP wrote a song 5 years ago, and now considers it to be rough around the edges, or less "well constructed", doesn't mean it's bad, or that he's embarrassed by it. It just means he feels he's grown from that stage of his life (In his own words). Now I owe a lot of you a big :P for saying that I'm wrong when I thought DT had become more mature, because AT LEAST one member of the band agrees with that.
Let's support the band if we like the music, discuss the music, and be ourselves... let's not get all picky about what the band should be or get upset because opinions differ from our own. We are all jammers in the E-Mail Melting Pot. :)
Someone psychically stole a web page idea from my head. I wanted to create a page for Ytsejammers to go, sign in, and mark what shows they'd be attending so we could all attempt to meet each other at shows... Merlo's idea is fine and dandy, but way ineffective in most areas other than the east coast (where yall have already met at the abundance of DT shows that most of us couldn't get to). If there's an aftershow, you may not have time to stand in front of the stage... if the bouncers suck, they may herd you out after the show... if you can't get a Ytsejam shirt (I don't really believe this excuse... Gabbo is here, alive, and somewhat well) you may not be picked out of the crowd by other jammers.... in ANY case, I think this web page should be written. I have missed several jams, so I may have missed a URL of an existing page that accomplishes this. PLEASE post the URL again if it exists, or (to the original poster who also came up with this idea) PLEASE write me if you can't get such a page up and running, or have abandoned the idea.
I want ALL of you who are attending the Chicago show to get a chance to kick my ass like some of you wish you could!
In lieu of such a web page, anyone who wants to hook up for the Chicago show, who needs a ride to the Chicago show, who needs a place to stay after the Chicago show, ...who has ANYTHING TO SAY about the Chicago show... email me, and I'll keep track of yall, so we can try to stay organized!
Take care!
Christopher W. Ptacek IRC: Madsman Tech Support EnterAct, L.L.C. http://www.enteract.com http://www.prognosis.com/madsman
"You can be a dreamer You can be your dream come true Let imagination lead Reality will follow through" - Michael Hedges
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