YTSEJAM Digest 3088
Today's Topics:
1) Tour Setlist
by Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
2) Everyone is in the 'house of blues'
by Über Cabe <caber1@concentric.net>
3) To Ryan Whitaker
by Everett W Painter <ewpainte@runet.edu>
4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3087
by "Matt Mommaerts (Fox 47)" <mattymo@inxpress.net>
5) WAYN
by "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
6) Type O Negative, Savatage, and Echolyn, et al
by Seth Hatlelid <srhatlel@artsci.wustl.edu>
7) No more Billboard / tour dates?
by Brandon Vaughn <vaughn_b@chipola.cc.fl.us>
8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3085
by Conrad Chi <uchic00@mcl.ucsb.edu>
9) Re: Things of silliness
by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
10) my two cents
by Mike Rengel <ty19stu@semovm.semo.edu>
11) Is that guy wearing a blouse????
by "John Gilbert" <cosmicsea@hotmail.com>
12) Update lemur Voice homepage
by Marcel Coenen <mcoenen@cobweb.nl>
13) 21+ because of alcohol? No way!
by Jon Kretschmer <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
14) Recognition for Ytsejammers
by Bert Baldwin <rcb@vectorbd.com>
15) Wanted:
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
16) Re:Falling into maturity?
by "Peter Tatischev" <tatisch@glasnet.ru>
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Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 18:17:45 +0000
From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
To: "Lump in my pants, size of a boulder" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Tour Setlist
Message-ID: <343D1FC9.167E@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
Eckie wrote:
>That way you're not increasing the flood of ytsemail that's already
>smashing my email box (I've gotten 3 warnings from my ASU account
>telling me that I'm running out of space, just this past month), and
Try deleting the porno GIFs, eck. That oughta free up a Gig or 3 :)
D-man:
> Sure, I was upset that I didn't see the
> word "Ytsejam" in there. But then I realized that I was listening to FII.
Right. You wanna see "Ytsejam," pick up WDADU. Then hear it as well :)
Personally, I'd get a kick out of seeing the next album contain
something like:
"To all those wanting thanks on this album: WE MADE, IT WAS *OUR* HARD
EFFORT THAT CAUSED IT TO COME INTO BEING.... FUCK OFF!!!"
It's about the music, you spoiled little fuck!
Thank you, sir, may I have another :)
Carry me to the shoreline, bury me in the sand
Walk me accross the water, maybe you'll understand
Loren wrote:
> New Millennium (man this would be an AWESOME opener)
TOTALLY!!!!!
Of course, if they open with Metro 2, there probably won't be any
complaints :)
I'll let ya know after next Friday...
Regards,
Jon
-- *------------*----------------------------*--------------* | Jon Parmet | jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov | 617-494-2851 | *------------*----------------------------*--------------*"Drifting with the current This stream of life flows on" -- John Myung
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Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 13:34:13 -0700 From: Über Cabe <caber1@concentric.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Everyone is in the 'house of blues' Message-ID: <343D3FC5.5FFB@concentric.net>
Hi everyone,
> From: Jan Ziese <jzi@star-ag.ch> > Subject: The younger ones must DIE!
> If someone's 17 or > 19 or whatsoever, is he in danger to be mentally damaged when attending a DT > show? That's just ridiculous...
Maybe, but I think it has to do with the fact that the place sells piss. Oops, I mean warm beer. But don't listen to me, a little 18 year old adult, who would never break a bullshit law. It would undermine everything my country stood for. Or, like something. :)
Über Cabe, an adult who can't take care of himself(or so his government officals tell him) can be contacted at caber1@concentric.net
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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 14:41:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Everett W Painter <ewpainte@runet.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: To Ryan Whitaker Message-ID: <199710091841.OAA23945@muselab-gw.runet.edu>
Ryan,
I have lost your e-mail address. Please write me....I have a question concerning CIA.
Thanks - Everett ______________________________________________________________________________
Everett Painter "Sometimes a view from sinless eyes, Radford University Centers our perspective, and pacifies our cries, Radford, VA Sometimes the anguish we survive, And the mysteries we nurture, Are the fabrics of our lives." ewpainte@runet.edu - Dream Theater, -Lines in the Sand- ______________________________________________________________________________ DREAM THEATER ----- FALLING INTO INFINITY ----- IN STORES NOW ______________________________________________________________________________
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Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 14:07:13 -0500 From: "Matt Mommaerts (Fox 47)" <mattymo@inxpress.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3087 Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971009140713.007ee100@inxpress.net>
Talked to an industry person...
FII went gold in Japan, and sold 23,000 copies on the first day of release in the US. Commercial radio actually IS picking up on it in the US (finally).
That's all. :-)
Matt
Personal: http://www.inxpress.net/~mattymo Mosh Pit: http://www.inxpress.net/~mattymo/moshpit
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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 15:11:19 -0400 (EDT) From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: WAYN Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.96.971009150724.54796D-100000@gnu.uvm.edu>
On Thu, 9 Oct 1997 ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
> I don't know about CME, but I have Where Are You Now on a boot CD, > along with Raise the Knife (the long version, not the 3 min version). :-) > You can get more information on <www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html> :-)
Really? How's the sound quality of WAYN? I would KILL to get it with studio quality. My computer speaker can only do so much.
Richie
DT song of the day: "Anna Lee." Fuck the detractors, this is an amazing piece of music.
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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 14:21:17 -0500 From: Seth Hatlelid <srhatlel@artsci.wustl.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Type O Negative, Savatage, and Echolyn, et al Message-ID: <l03110701b062dce46492@[128.252.105.105]>
Hiya There,
The Type O Negative version of Summer Breeze is several years old, coming off of their Bloody Kisses album. Peter supposedly likes pop and easy listening and really doesn't like the music that he plays (same for Slayer, which I can totally understand because everybody and their mother hate slayer). They cover Cinnamon Girl on October Rust. Amusing stuff.
Anyone heard the new Savatage album yet?
Anybody know wher I can pick up a copy of When the Sour turns to Sweet by Echolyn, I love As the World and am desperately seeking their new disk.
I believe that Sanctuary's bass player played on Dave Mustaine's side project (which is is decent if you can get past the horrible vocals by Fear's "singer" and substandard lyrics by Mustaine, one song is almost nothing but a list of cities that Megadeth has toured!). He's a fairly decent bass player, but I can't stand his bass sound. The disk is a must have for all Mustaine fans because he plays some stuff that you would NEVER hear on a Megadeth disk (ie some country licks played at mind-numbing speed), but if you don't drool over him I wouldn't advise picking it up (Marty friedman's solo albums on the other hand..."
Thanx, Seth
Seth Hatlelid srhatlel@artsci.wustl.edu
"If lobsters looked like puppies, people could never drop them in boiling water while they're still alive. But instead, they look like science fiction monsters, so it's OK. Restaurants that allow patrons to select live lobsters from a tank should be made to paint names on their shells: "Happy", "Baby Doll", "Junior." I defy anyone to drop a living thing called "Happy" in rapidly boiling water." -Unknown
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Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 14:25:43 -0700 From: Brandon Vaughn <vaughn_b@chipola.cc.fl.us> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: No more Billboard / tour dates? Message-ID: <01IOLW6LJJW0000AJ5@WIZARD.FIRN.EDU>
Don't know if anyone has mentioned this already, but I checked out Billboard's site to see if DT was still on the charts, and they are no longer listed. That must be disappointing. Just one week at #52, and then nada.
Also, I checked out the tour dates at http://www.cnotes.com/cnotes.artists/dream.html . Has anyone been able to contact the person running this site to verify this information? I tried emailing them with no response. I hope these are true, because that would put DT within 60 miles of me for the very first time.
Though the way DT has always toured, then these won't be true and they won't come anywhere within a 300--500 mile radius from me. :(
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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 12:34:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Conrad Chi <uchic00@mcl.ucsb.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3085 Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.96.971009123241.22684A-100000@mcl.ucsb.edu>
> my asshole little brother for posting the phone number for DT's management. > It was completelty uncalled for and he isn't even a Dream Theater > fan...he makes fun of them and says they have no talent and try to be > like Metallica..what do you want he is only 16...once again I apologize > and I will restrict his access to any e-mail access. Thank you > > Dan >
For some reason, I think you are full of shit. You are a coward
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Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 15:38:43 -0400 From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Things of silliness Message-ID: <199710091938.PAA25630@me.cs.wm.edu>
> attending so we could all attempt to meet each other at shows... Merlo's > idea is fine and dandy, but way ineffective in most areas other than the > east coast (where yall have already met at the abundance of DT shows that > most of us couldn't get to). If there's an aftershow, you may not have time > to stand in front of the stage... if the bouncers suck, they may herd you
For the most part, they'll give you at least 10-15 minutes. Usually enough time to meet up and at least agree on a diner or something.
> be picked out of the crowd by other jammers.... in ANY case, I think this > web page should be written. I have missed several jams, so I may have
I agree that it's an excellent idea. Here's the url: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Alley/3771/dt.html. Just remember that someone will forget to sign up, so look for shirts at the show!
> the Chicago show, ...who has ANYTHING TO SAY about the Chicago show... email
Yeah, I have something to say about it. I wish I were going! :)
------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ "640 K ought to be enough cmerlo@cs.wm.edu "@'/ ,. \`@" memory for everyone." -Gates d-man@dreamt.org /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.cs.wm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" -Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Maintainer of the Official Dream Theater Frequently Asked Questions List http://www.cs.wm.edu/~cmerlo/dtfaq.html
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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 12:51:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Rengel <ty19stu@semovm.semo.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: my two cents Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19971009145517.1a9fb156@semovm.semo.edu>
This is my first post to the Jam, so I'm just going to say a few things I have been thinking of for the past week. I love FII, just like all the rest of the DT albums. I consider DT a prog band, don't you? FII sounds like they have progressed. It still sounds like DT, but different from their earlier stuff. I also think FII is an attempt to sell a lot more records. It seems that whoever is responsible for picking singles doesn't know what the hell they are doing. If DT wants to sell tons of records, release Hollow Years as a single. Every time I listen to this song, I think "this could be huge". If DT plays St. Louis, it better not be 21+. They could get a large crowd at the Fox or American Theater. Having so many shows +21 is a big mistake, in my opinion. Just my $.02. Waiting for "Metropolis Pt.II", Mike _______________________________________________________________ |Mike Rengel | |ty19stu@semovm.semo.edu | |Visit my Rush page: | |http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/palladium/5500 | | | |"A daily dose of eMpTyV will flush your mind right down the | |drain"-Mike Portnoy | |"Rising falling at force ten, we twist the world and ride the| |wind"-Neil Peart | |"People will watch anything, as long as it's dumb."-Beavis | |_____________________________________________________________|
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Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 13:20:41 PDT From: "John Gilbert" <cosmicsea@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Is that guy wearing a blouse???? Message-ID: <19971009202041.7405.qmail@hotmail.com>
Ok, I dont know if this has been covered yet, but heres what I hear clearly on JLMB at about 1:13-1:15 in the right speaker being spoken by someone....probably a band member...."Is that guy wearing a blouse?" I tried to get people on irc to hear it, and they're all deaf :)....so who else has heard this?
insanely speaking john gilbert jg on dreamt.org http://home1.gte.net/mawyatt
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Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 22:35:19 From: Marcel Coenen <mcoenen@cobweb.nl> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Update lemur Voice homepage Message-ID: <3.0.1.16.19971009223519.198f8368@pop3.cobweb.nl>
Hi there,
It's marcel again from Lemur Voice, for the guitarfreaks out there, our homepage is updated with new tabulature, it now has three songs transcribed, Akasha Chronicles, Intuition and Deep Inside, totally, including lead guitarsolo, I transcribed it myself and more songs will follow.....
It also has been updated with statistics, a new guestbook, where you also can view your message after you send it (anyone can), a counter and some cool links to the Dutch metal ring, The progressive rock ring (all progressive bands are joined) and some more cool links at my links page.
Also our new playing dates are shown at the Tourdates page...
Well, Take care to you all,
Marcel Coenen ----------------------------------------------------------------------- | +-- - - | | | | | * | | | +--- +-+-+ - - /--+ | / +--+ -+- +--- +--- | | | |-- | | | | | |--| | | | | | | |-- | | +------ +--- - - - +--+ | \ +---+ +--+ --- +--- +--- | | | | Marcel Coenen | | Guitarist LEMUR VOICE | | | | E-Mail: mcoenen@cobweb.nl (home) | | marcel.coenen@liberfone.nl (work) | | | | Lemur Voice Official Homepage: | | | | http://www.cobweb.nl/mcoenen/welcome.htm | | and | | http://www.mindspring.com/~syrinx/lemur.htm | | | | Check out our album "INSIGHTS" available at | | Magna Carta (USA) and Roadrunner (Europe & Japan) | -----------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 13:27:03 -0700 From: Jon Kretschmer <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: 21+ because of alcohol? No way! Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971009132703.007dba00@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
>Subject: The younger ones must DIE!
>Well, you see, we have these laws about alcohol--specifically that you must >be 21+ to purchase and drink. Agree or not, they currently exist and you >have to work w/ them. When a band plays at locations that serve alcohol, >most likely you'll need to be 21+ to get in, since they'll be selling >alcohol that night. Why? To make money. It's just that simple. > >If you don't like it: > >a) Try to start your own all ages club. Deal w/ rent, taxes, insurance, >booking, security, etc., and you'll soon see why these places want to sell >alcohol to increase their revenue.
Look, we dont need people like you telling those of us that are under 21 why we cant get into these shows.
Wait, I forgot...Why is there a 21+ age limit? I just dont understand. Maybe its because Im 17. Silly me, maybe Ill just have to wait till I grow up to understand the wisdom bestowed upon adults.
Sure, Im 17, but it doesnt mean Im a moron and that I dont love Dream Theater enough to want to see them live. I already have, actually, when I was 14. I wasnt too young then...
Now playing: oldschool Met Pt. 1
Jon
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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 20:40:34 +0000 (UTC) From: Bert Baldwin <rcb@vectorbd.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Recognition for Ytsejammers Message-ID: <Pine.SCO.3.95.971009203655.26045A-100000@vectorbd.vectorbd.com>
About all of you venting your frustrations about recognition (or lack of it) for Ytsejammers, I want to ask you a question. Are we members of this list for the recognition, or to talk about the greatest band on Earth? I personally think that recognition would be nice for all of you, but if you don't get it, then it's not the end of the world. I admit that I'm fairly new to posting on this list, and I didn't know about the ACoS petition in time to sign it. However, I certainly would have loved to put my name down, not for the recognition, but to get the album out. It's just my opinion.
-- Bert Baldwin
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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 16:42:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com> To: Dream Theater Mailing list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Wanted: Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.91.971009163827.25188A-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
OK. Here's what I am looking for in the import/bootleg category. I am ordering 7 wonders and spinning years from Ryan, so anything that's on those discs I will be getting. I am looking for duplicates of any Mike Bahr CD not on 7 wonders or spinning years, the lie single, a tape of any of the shows from 1995, any of the instrumental CDs minus the one which starts off with Afterlife, and I think that's all. here's what I have to copy for you. Silent Man single, Milan 93 boot and Fix for 96 prividence show, which I got as a copy so you may not want that from me, but I would copy it if I had to. I am trying to expand my collection, so be fair. Also, I am blind and traveling to find padded envelopes may be tough, hell I have hard enough time getting people to help me mail stuff as it is. I will do what I can, but I would really appreiate the help of the Ytsejam who has done so much for me already. What do you guys say? D-man, come on, I know you have some of this stuff, you have to. We're buds, right? Help me out. BTW, anybody who wants to copy sound-board quality boots of Rush, Yes, Genesis, or ELP shows, please help me out, OK. In the Rush camp, I own Red Barchetta, and RushHour, the original one from 1974. As you can see, I am not great at finding good bootlegs. I like good sound quality with my bootlegs, so that should help. Please, help me, please!
Reach Damon Fibraio at damon@shell.monmouth.com keyboardist, vocalist, radio personality Deviant of Reality All of us get lost in the darkness, dreamers learn to steer by the stars All of us do time in the gutter, dreamers turn to look at the cars. Neil Peart of Rush
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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 00:33:54 +0300 From: "Peter Tatischev" <tatisch@glasnet.ru> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re:Falling into maturity? Message-ID: <m0xJPW2-001AAEN@mail.glas.apc.org>
> A couple of friends of mine are studying classical music, and every now and > then I accompany them to a classical concert (Bach, Vivaldi, Bruckner...). Right, man, the same with me although I do not play any classical music, but I like it and at the same time I do madly like DT and the things they do... These guys do play really great - so why should they be compared with classics in any aspect of their work, perhaps some time later people will consider them to me the classics for the end of the 20thn century - ah? Who knows? > Although I'm not heavily into classical music I do like it, but I do not like > the way my friends are running down every music that's not classical. DT for > example is noise, Marillion is pop, and classical music is the only - yeah, > you guess it - "mature" music. Everything else is "immature", and so are the > listeners, they just don't know what "real" music is. Uhuh. > > Another friend of mine is heavily into Jazz. And of course he thinks that Jazz > in the only "real thing", it's - guess what - "mature", and everything else > sucks. He even thinks he's somehow "better" than others, more "mature" because > he likes Jazz instead of "that pop-crap you listen" (yes, he is actually > referring to Dream Theater!). I can't understand them - I am also into jazz, but DT has a lot of jazzy stuff in many songs - as we defined their music once that was something like: neo-classic-heavy-psychodelic-prog-jazz - nice mixture, ah? > > I always considered myself as "open-minded", and I was so proud of myself > being "different" from those somehow pretentious friends of mine. I'm really > tolerant - so I used to think. But not so long ago my brother opened my eyes. > He's heavily into techno music, and he's a DJ. Well, recently I had an > argument with him, because he also composes techno music with his computer > without even knowing basic facts in musical theory. I was running down techno > music, telling him there was no feeling in it, telling him that every song > sounded the same and that a "real musician" could only laugh at this dull > noise techno fans call "music". > He looked at me quietly and hurt, and finally he said: "I'm sorry but I can't > see the difference between us. Your music means everything to you. So does my > music mean everything to me. I would give my life for my music. So what gives > you the right to think your music is better than mine?" I guess that is right - I have never thought of techno in that aspect, but yeah - this is probably true - why should we let anybody down because of the music they like or they don't - they do feel the same about us - don't they? Of course we do think that DT is the best band in the world (I do!!! - who minds?), but what do they feel about their music - the same!!! Some Prodigy fans are very aggressive over here - why should we be like them - we can TRY to persuade people that our music is better, but we should make no pressure on them - am I right? > I have never felt so ashamed before. I think I have learned my lesson. Thank for sharing this experience, I guess I'll have to to act not as I did before in situations like that... Thanks for the lesson!!! ======================================= Untie these strings, I'm climbing down I won't let them push me away Change Of Seasons, lyrics by Mike Portnoy Peter Tatischev tatisch@iname.com The maintaner of the Unofficial Stu Hamm site: http://www.glasnet.ru/~tatisch ========================================
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