YTSEJAM Digest 3083
Today's Topics:
1) Squirrel nut zippers and tour stuff
by Jeremy Kube <jkube@cyberportal.net>
2) Moron...
by "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.Belvoir.Army.Mil>
3) Dream Theater Dates (fwd)
by alex fraser <fraser@stolaf.edu>
4) Re: DT MANAGEMENT INFO
by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
5) Re: Whats that MP3 format?
by "Michael G. Jones" <mgjones@Mcs.Net>
6) Re: Dream Theater Dates (fwd)
by Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
7) DT Tour Dates
by Alison Clark <clarka@stu.beloit.edu>
8) Detroit show
by "Andrew Keith Garinger" <garinger@pilot.msu.edu>
9) Re: Dream Theater Dates (fwd)
by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
10) Re: DT Tour Dates
by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
11) UNCLASSIFIED:-Re: Dream Theater Dates (fwd)
by Graham.Boyle.149036@navy.gov.au
12) NEVERMORE (Hail!!!!!!)
by "Carlo D'Angelo" <helstar@earthlink.net>
13) UNCLASSIFIED:-Re: DT Tour Dates
by Graham.Boyle.149036@navy.gov.au
14) Re: Dream Theater Dates (fwd)
by Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
15) Re: DT Tour Dates
by Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
16) Re: UNCLASSIFIED:-Re: Dream Theater Dates (fwd)
by Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 16:24:18 -0400
From: Jeremy Kube <jkube@cyberportal.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Squirrel nut zippers and tour stuff
Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19971008162418.007a7b40@cyberport.cyberportal.net>
Hey all,
I noticed something funny last month that I forget to post. I listened to
the Squirrel Nut Zipper's album (and it sucks) but their song that has been
getting airplay seems to have the lyrics from "Afterlife" by DT.
Somebody posted in a past ytsejam that there once was a member of Majesty
named Chris Collins.. Who was he and what did he play, and who is he
playing with now? Who were the original members? This might be in the
FAQ.. but I thought I knew enough not to have to bother to look... If it
is..just send me over to the FAQ (and call me an asshole!)
Lastly, I went the Ticketbastard's web site last night, it only has 3
dates on the list that DT is going to play.. Is this on purpose or are they
just lacking updates? They are assholes anyway.. Does anyone have the
updated Date by Date list of DT tour dates? I am having a hard time
finding the time to make plans to go to shows being held this month.. I was
given so much notice and all : ) but it's all good. Talk to you later, J
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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 16:26:32 -0400
From: "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.Belvoir.Army.Mil>
To: "'ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Moron...
Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=AMSC%l=AMSC_NTAS-971008202632Z-15641@amsc_ntas.amsc.belvoir.army.mil>
Sorry guys - I guess I should read the FAQin' Fuck!
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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 15:42:47 -0500 (CDT)
From: alex fraser <fraser@stolaf.edu>
To: Ytsecadabra! <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Dream Theater Dates (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.971008154115.899B-100000@lars.acc.stolaf.edu>
a friend of mine sent me the folloing URL...
check out
http://www.cnotes.com/cnotes.artists/dream.html
it contains a ton of tour dates. i have no idea of the accuracy of any
of them. the one for Minneapolis is in direct conflict with the web site
for the venue... so no guarantees, folks.
id
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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 16:45:12 -0400
From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: DT MANAGEMENT INFO
Message-ID: <199710082045.QAA03848@daffy.cs.wm.edu>
> answer. Is Roundtable still managing DT, and if not, who is?
I can honestly tell you that I'm not sure.
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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 16:04:58 -0500
From: "Michael G. Jones" <mgjones@Mcs.Net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Whats that MP3 format?
Message-ID: <19971008160458.41632@Mercury.mcs.net>
On Wed, Oct 08, 1997 at 10:26:41AM -0700, Mauricio Martinez Villarreal wrote:
>
> Hey jammers!
> I dont know if this technology is new or what, but could please
> somebody tell me what the hell is the MP3 cd format?
MPEG Layer 3. Checkout http://www.mpeg.org.
-- Mike Jones, mgjones@mcs.net _____________ Web Design: mike@biggorilla.com Progressive Genius ( http://www.progmetal.org ) Progressive Metal WebRing------------------------------
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 17:07:37 -0400 From: Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Dream Theater Dates (fwd) Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971008170737.01132b10@sol.eng.fore.com>
C-notes is C-man. Does anybody remember C-man? He was the dude who used to run the publicity contests on the 'jam, and would reward us with promo packages (mine included LATM Japanese copy, Live in Tokyo video, an 8x10 photo without a keyboardist, a bunch of Awake picks, and the Awake postcard).
C-man worked for East/West (and still might judging from his site), and he used to be pretty interactive with us. Then, he just disappeared. After I returned from a year hiatus, I started seeing this D-man fellow, and hoped that C-man was back. Chris, did you rip off your ID from him?
Anyway, we need to get him interacting with us again, because unlike much of the band, he respected how influential we are. It irritates me that we didn't get one mention on FII, even though it was our petition that got DT back in the studio. The most we get is a word about the internet from James when introducing ACOS, and even then he sounds a bit sarcastic. We're the real fan club, but who gets the fucking Christmas CD? Not us.
Done. KAI
At 01:57 PM 10/8/97 -0700, you wrote: > > >a friend of mine sent me the folloing URL... > >check out >http://www.cnotes.com/cnotes.artists/dream.html > >it contains a ton of tour dates. i have no idea of the accuracy of any >of them. the one for Minneapolis is in direct conflict with the web site >for the venue... so no guarantees, folks. > >id > >
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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 16:18:09 -0500 (CDT) From: Alison Clark <clarka@stu.beloit.edu> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: DT Tour Dates Message-ID: <l03110701b061634e5013@[144.89.175.84]>
Is there a list somewhere of all the tour dates signed for DT so far? It's not on the website yet. If there isn't a list somewhere, would anyone know about concerts in Madison, Milwaulkee, Chicago, or St. Louis? (any or all of the above!) Thanks....
Alison
)\)\ , , /(/( ,,!,)/,/={ ~ Alison Clark ** }=\,\(,!, //_)___) clarka@stu.beloit.edu {___(_\ >=='' \, (, http://www.beloit.edu/~clarka/ ,) ,/ `-->
"Reality is for people who cannot handle science fiction."
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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 17:20:37 -0400 (EDT) From: "Andrew Keith Garinger" <garinger@pilot.msu.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Detroit show Message-ID: <199710082120.RAA104466@pilot09.cl.msu.edu>
OK, I've got my tix for the Detroit show at St. Andrew's, which is, IMHO, the BEST venue in the area. I'm ecstatic that they aren't playing the State Theater this time around. Anyway, Do any of you Detroit fans want to meet up before the show and go en masse? Let me know... If we all know each other, we can make sure that the guys along the front row are all TRUE fans...
Also, does anyone have any info on opening bands? I'd love to see Enchant open for them, but I haven't heard squat about it.
Andrew
-- garinger@pilot.msu.edu Zeta Beta Tau-Beta Epsilon Chapter
"Outside the soundness of your mind" "I don't believe what I'm thinking" Bathing your soul in silver tears I'm less than useful Beneath a blackened summer sky I could take it from someone else Praying for time to disappear" But even I think it's truthful" ---Dream Theater "Under a Glass Moon" ---Ned's Atomic Dustbin "Less Than Useful"
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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 17:35:24 -0400 From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Dream Theater Dates (fwd) Message-ID: <199710082135.RAA04141@daffy.cs.wm.edu>
> C-man worked for East/West (and still might judging from his site), and he > used to be pretty interactive with us. Then, he just disappeared. After I > returned from a year hiatus, I started seeing this D-man fellow, and hoped > that C-man was back. Chris, did you rip off your ID from him?
As a matter of fact, until you wrote this, I had never heard of C-Man. So, no. And just to make it clear, I borrowed my handle from Neil Peart. (And I didn't rip off anyone.)
> Anyway, we need to get him interacting with us again, because unlike much > of the band, he respected how influential we are. It irritates me that we
The band has more respect for us than you think, particularly Mike. I think the problem is that their hands may be tied in expressing it.
> didn't get one mention on FII, even though it was our petition that got DT > back in the studio. The most we get is a word about the internet from
]From what I can tell, that's not 100% accurate. Now, I'm not sure, so don't take this as infallible, but I *THINK* that Elektra had just scheduled some studio time for DT when they received the petition.
Not to say that the petition didn't accomplish anything. It let them know that people care whether DT continues to exist or not, and may (who knows?) have been influential in pulling down names like Shirley, Thorgerson, and Child. (Whether you like those three or not, it was still quite a coup for a band like DT. Especially to get them all for the same album.)
> James when introducing ACOS, and even then he sounds a bit sarcastic. > We're the real fan club, but who gets the fucking Christmas CD? Not us.
It would be prohibitively difficult at *best* to send a special-edition CD to everyone on the mailing list. As for James, well, I don't know what he thinks about all this. But I think if Mike ever introduces ACoS, he'll give the props.
------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ "640 K ought to be enough cmerlo@cs.wm.edu "@'/ ,. \`@" memory for everyone." -Gates d-man@dreamt.org /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.cs.wm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" -Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Maintainer of the Official Dream Theater Frequently Asked Questions List http://www.cs.wm.edu/~cmerlo/dtfaq.html
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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 17:40:40 -0400 From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: DT Tour Dates Message-ID: <199710082140.RAA04194@daffy.cs.wm.edu>
> > Is there a list somewhere of all the tour dates signed for DT so far?
THERE ARE NO WEB PAGES IN EXISTENCE AT THIS TIME THAT HAVE A COMPLETE LIST OF OFFICIALLY-SANCTIONED DREAM THEATER TOUR DATES. ONCE A WEB PAGE LIKE THIS EXISTS, SOMEONE WILL POST TO THE LIST ABOUT IT. UNTIL THEN, NO ONE KNOWS.
I could swear I'm repeating myself.
------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ "640 K ought to be enough cmerlo@cs.wm.edu "@'/ ,. \`@" memory for everyone." -Gates d-man@dreamt.org /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.cs.wm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" -Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Maintainer of the Official Dream Theater Frequently Asked Questions List http://www.cs.wm.edu/~cmerlo/dtfaq.html
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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 08:06:58 +1000 From: Graham.Boyle.149036@navy.gov.au To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: UNCLASSIFIED:-Re: Dream Theater Dates (fwd) Message-ID: <4A25652A.007843AE.00@nschq-e-navy.navy.gov.au>
>We're the real fan club, but who gets the fucking Christmas CD? Not us.
>Done. >KAI
Well join the damn fan club and you'll get the CD. :) 10 UKP for four issues a 'surprise' is great value IMO
Forget about the so called 'official' DT web site, it's a load of bollocks,
the one to get the latest info from Under A Cyber Moon, Itchy has done a great job the new version, check it out, besides the jam, it is the best place to get all the latest on DT.
Please no more 'anyone know when DT is playing in my town' you all were given a brain at birth, so use it ! All the latest info gets posted here, use some CDF please !
gRaham_
CDF = Common Dog Fuck, ie, common sense.
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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 18:05:40 -0400 From: "Carlo D'Angelo" <helstar@earthlink.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: NEVERMORE (Hail!!!!!!) Message-ID: <343C03B4.3FDA@earthlink.net>
> I'm going to go and check out Nevermore here in colorado springs > at a local club, and I was wondering what can I expect?????? Do they > put on a good show???? I love their CD's, but was wondering if anyone > was ever lucky to catch them life.......
hehe..good show?! FUCKING GREAT SHOW!!!!!!!!! You can expect one insane, rip-roarin' shreddin', super-tight prog-metal band!! With vocal deity Warrel Dane commanding the mic like only his sinister self can. They replaced Pat O'Brien with the guy from FORBIDDEN I think?? Who was really good...but Jeff Loomis is the one to watch (left side of stage)...he's so clean its scary...super shreddin' melodic solos...couldnt help but stand wide eyed when his solos hit...especially "This Sacrament"!
Last week was great for metal in NYC...saw NEVERMORE three times and BRUCE DICKINSON once..and got autographs and pictures with both bands..super nice guys!
DO NOT HESITATE to see NEVERMORE (the best $7 you can spend)..although why they are opening for FLOTSAM AND JETSAM is beyond me..when NEVERMORE finished 3/4 of the crowd went out the door. Stay around for F&J's first song though.. "Doomsday for the Deceiver"..its a killer tune..rest are non-descript metal fare.
Here's the setlist:
Next In Line This Sacrament Seven Tongues of God Silent Hedges/Double Dare Sanctuary (Hell yeah!!!)..classic! The Tienanman Man Optimist or Pessimist Lost The Learning ("Politics of Ecstasy" switched places with this one every other night..both are brilliant..although I slightly prefer "The Learning")
They are all cool dudes..caught Van and Jeff in a comic shop in NYC and talked for a while..they don't play anything from the first album (bummer :-( because they've only had the new guitarist for a month and thats a lot of complicated material to learn so they decided to stick with the newer stuff for now. I would have LOVED to have heard "CBF" or "Garden of Gray"!
Warrel is also a bigtime "Simpsons" and "South Park" ("They killed Kenny...YOU BASTARDS!!") fan...he was bummed he missed the season premiere...and that the Seattle Mariners bit the big one. Also commented how huge the shows in Europe are and that there have been some pretty crappy turnouts on the US tour but he's happy they are even able to tour the states. Loves the dudes from ICED EARTH and BLIND GUARDIAN and after touring will start on new material for the nest NEVERMORE opus. He also signed ALL of my album covers (2 SANCTUARY covers and 3 NEVERMORE covers). And bring a video camera cuz there was NO (zilch, nada) security..most places are small clubs and bars anyway.
Once again....I saw them 3 times last week and it wasnt enough! I wish more people would speak up about this band cuz they are not getting the recognition they should be..SENTINEL STEEL be damned!; thats the only major problem I have with Denis Gulbey...he runs a kick-ass 'zine and FANTASTIC mail-order business, BUT his review of NEVERMORE sounds like he mixed up the albums with a Duff McKagan disc.
HAIL NEVERMORE! This is one show you shouldn't miss...
cheers, Carlo (Fates) -- _ __| |__ "When you know that your time is close at hand |__ __| maybe then you'll begin to understand | | Life down here is just a strange illusion." | | |_|
--IRON MAIDEN (Hallowed Be Thy Name)
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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 08:27:42 +1000 From: Graham.Boyle.149036@navy.gov.au To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: UNCLASSIFIED:-Re: DT Tour Dates Message-ID: <4A25652A.007AE6A9.00@nschq-e-navy.navy.gov.au>
D-Man said: >THERE ARE NO WEB PAGES IN EXISTENCE AT THIS TIME THAT HAVE A COMPLETE LIST OF >OFFICIALLY-SANCTIONED DREAM THEATER TOUR DATES. ONCE A WEB PAGE LIKE THIS EXISTS, >SOMEONE WILL POST TO THE LIST ABOUT IT. UNTIL THEN, NO ONE KNOWS.
>I could swear I'm repeating myself.
I could swear that you and The Doc have posted this already. Either you ppl posting about tour dates don't read the jam or are dumb fucks or just like seeing your name on the list ?
What ever it is please read what D-Man has said and take note.
gRaham_
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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 18:28:39 -0400 From: Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Dream Theater Dates (fwd) Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971008182839.01139420@sol.eng.fore.com>
Thanks for the responses D-man. Here's what I think:
>>>>>> that C-man was back. Chris, did you rip off your ID from him? >>> >>>As a matter of fact, until you wrote this, I had never heard of C-Man. So, >>>no. And just to make it clear, I borrowed my handle from Neil Peart. (And I >>>didn't rip off anyone.)
That's what I thought. I remember C-man disappearing before I took my hiatus, and I don't remember you being on here yet. When I came back, you were all over the place, yet, no C-man. So I figured you never knew of him, and didn't steal the name. It was just weird.
>>>The band has more respect for us than you think, particularly Mike. I think >>>the problem is that their hands may be tied in expressing it.
I don't disagree with this. I know Mike recognizes us, and has always been the most interactive member when it came to our group. He and JM even did the IRC discussion for us, a couple years ago. I listened to the Birch Hill '95 show last night, and when James introduces ACOS, he mentions the internet, but not the Ytsejam mailing list, and does it with this tone of voice that sounds very UNappreciative. What saves it, is when Mike P. tells James to say "yell out the PLEASE DON'T GO part". James announces this very unenthusiastically, I guess because he knows that this part was only evident on bootlegs, or something. I don't know why James is so anti-Ytsejam, anti-Internet, but it's starting to piss me off.
If their hands are tied, and it's really the label making them ignore us, then we need to step up and correct this. We are the mass, and we have the power. ACOS is proof.
>>> >>>From what I can tell, that's not 100% accurate. Now, I'm not sure, so don't >>>take this as infallible, but I *THINK* that Elektra had just scheduled some >>>studio time for DT when they received the petition.
Maybe, but that's not the point. How many pages of names were dropped off on East/West's doorstep? Not one word about the Ytsejam in FII. I think that's unacceptable.
>>>Not to say that the petition didn't accomplish anything. It let them know >>>that people care whether DT continues to exist or not, and may (who knows?) >>>have been influential in pulling down names like Shirley, Thorgerson, and >>>Child. (Whether you like those three or not, it was still quite a coup for a >>>band like DT. Especially to get them all for the same album.)
I think James' attitude of "I want to sell a million records this time" was more responsible for this than our petition was. Frankly, I'd rather have the Awake producer, the Awake album art, and they certainly don't need Desmond Child. Hollow Years could sell a million albums if marketed correctly - but fat chance of that.
>>>It would be prohibitively difficult at *best* to send a special-edition CD to >>>everyone on the mailing list. As for James, well, I don't know what he thinks >>>about all this. But I think if Mike ever introduces ACoS, he'll give the >>>props.
Yeah, Mike's the shit. As far as the fan club CD goes, it should have been available to us for like $5. I don't want to have to send $15 to someone who might send me a newsletter every other month. We talk about Dream Theater every day. If that ain't a fan club, then I don't know what is. We need to start pushing for some real recognition.
D-man, none of this is directed at you. You just happened to pave the way for some strong points that have been bothering me since FII came out, or longer.
KAI
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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 18:32:42 -0400 From: Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: DT Tour Dates Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971008183242.0108bb30@sol.eng.fore.com>
>> >> Is there a list somewhere of all the tour dates signed for DT so far? > >THERE ARE NO WEB PAGES IN EXISTENCE AT THIS TIME THAT HAVE A COMPLETE LIST OF >OFFICIALLY-SANCTIONED DREAM THEATER TOUR DATES. ONCE A WEB PAGE LIKE THIS >EXISTS, SOMEONE WILL POST TO THE LIST ABOUT IT. UNTIL THEN, NO ONE KNOWS. > >I could swear I'm repeating myself.
Again, C-man is an insider (or at least was), and was always very involved with marketing and publicizing DT on the net. I wouldn't chuck the contents of his page as UNofficial. I'd bet that info is straight from the label.
At least someone should e-mail him about it first.
KAI
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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 18:43:13 -0400 From: Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: UNCLASSIFIED:-Re: Dream Theater Dates (fwd) Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971008184313.0113ec70@sol.eng.fore.com>
>>We're the real fan club, but who gets the fucking Christmas CD? Not us. > >>Done. >>KAI > >Well join the damn fan club and you'll get the CD. :) >10 UKP for four issues a 'surprise' is great value IMO
Fuck the fan club. We have over 1000 people talking about Dream Theater every single day of the year, including Christmas. Now that's a fan club. I don't need to send someone my $15 to hear about DT 4 times a year.
We used to be the shit. The guys showing up at Ytsecon I, the IRC session with JM and MP, C-man having contests and sending us cool promotional shit. I even had another E/W rep send me a bunch of shit once, because I bitched about Scarred not being on the Awake cassette. We were appreciated back then. Now, we can't even get a fucking 'Thank You'.
Still venting (it's been building up for about a year).
KAI
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