YTSEJAM Digest 3103
Today's Topics:
1) Cd's
by Bill Bell <empire@netset.com>
2) UNCLASSIFIED:-Re: Blouse???
by Graham.Boyle.149036@navy.gov.au
3) Some info on BIG WRECK
by "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3102
by "Jason Bell" <wolfe@wingnet.net>
5)
by "Jason Bell" <wolfe@wingnet.net>
6) Top ten of 97
by sl080890@mailhost.sju.edu (Stephen LaMonica)
7) Re: music appreciation
by ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
8) Who's (on) first?
by Phil Carter <carter@negia.net>
9) Album conversation, & Australian FII.
by Jason Keily <s342953@student.uq.edu.au>
10) pantera, cont...
by Visker <jlvskr@dordt.edu>
11) In defense of the Mini Disc :)
by Christopher Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
12) New FAQ Update
by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
13) christian vander
by cluesump@sirius.com (Charoenkwan Luesumphan)
14) Myung's video
by Seth Hatlelid <srhatlel@artsci.wustl.edu>
15) YtseContact
by "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
16) YtseContacts, pt II
by "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
17) KCRem
by Lobsterback <hender@wam.umd.edu>
18) fuzzy logic-Tage, TSO
by "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
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Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 22:17:53 -0400
From: Bill Bell <empire@netset.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Cd's
Message-ID: <344184D1.A3F4DC69@netset.com>
I just got a copy of 2 CD's and was wondering what these are going for
these days...
Dream Theater Milan 1993 - 2 CD set Live
Dream Theater Rockin' Japan - 1 CD Live
Just wondering if I may have paid too much for em..
THanks!
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 12:28:27 +1000
From: Graham.Boyle.149036@navy.gov.au
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: UNCLASSIFIED:-Re: Blouse???
Message-ID: <4A25652F.000D59DF.00@nschq-e-navy.navy.gov.au>
>>Ok, I dont know if this has been covered yet, but heres what I hear
>>clearly on JLMB at about 1:13-1:15 in the right speaker being spoken
by
>>someone....probably a band member...."Is that guy wearing a blouse?"
I could only hear something at 1:13-1:15 when I put my hi-fi in pro-logic
mode and had the centre speaker
turned on;
The voice is quite clearly MP and he says ' step right up folks'
It's as clear as crystal.
gRaham_
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Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 22:19:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Some info on BIG WRECK
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.96.971012220128.18928A-100000@elk.uvm.edu>
On Sun, 12 Oct 1997 ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
>
>
> Who on God's green Earth is Big Wreck?
Big Wreck is a new band on Atlantic Records. Their debut album, "In Loving
Memory Of..." was just released on October 7th and their first single is
called "The Oaf." How did they hook up with DT? Well, the members of Big
Wreck met at the Berklee College of Music, so there's a connection there.
What do they sound like? Well, I'll tell you this: they ain't prog. They
remind me a little of STP (especially the singer's voice) and Soundgarden.
I'm not really a fan of those two bands, but what seperates Big Wreck from
them is their musicianship. I never thought I'd hear an alternative band
actually play their instruments with skill and precision (special kudos go
to their guitar player). They are also a lot catchier than those two
bands, utilizing some cool vocal hamonies. Plus, they've gotten rave
reviews in GUITAR WORLD. They also have a website that you can check out
at http://www.bigwreck.com. Definitely worth checking out.
Richie
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Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 22:33:14 -0400
From: "Jason Bell" <wolfe@wingnet.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3102
Message-ID: <199710130234.WAA28925@agape.wingnet.net>
> Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 09:08:43 +1000
> From: "Rainer" <rpandean@mail.usyd.edu.au>
>
> Anyone here know what company put out John Myung's instructional video? =
> I'm trying to track down a copy. I'd appreciate any feedback on it from =
> anyone who has it.
>
> See ya,
>
> Rainer
Note Music Service has it listed as:
John Myung
Progressive Bass Concepts
(VH0295) $49.95
Looks like Ritior (or something) put it out, it's the same as for Mike's
Drum Vid., not REH.
OK My question...
Anyone know why Raise The Knife was cut from FII??? Was it even going to
be on this album... is it on another album?
Thanx...
GypsySun
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Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 22:35:16 -0400
From: "Jason Bell" <wolfe@wingnet.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Message-ID: <199710130236.WAA28976@agape.wingnet.net>
Sorry for the Double Post... (yeah right)
> John Myung
> Progressive Bass Concepts
> (VH0295) $49.95
> Looks like Ritior (or something) put it out, it's the same as for Mike's
> Drum Vid., not REH.
Warner Brothers...
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Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 22:33:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: sl080890@mailhost.sju.edu (Stephen LaMonica)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Top ten of 97
Message-ID: <199710130233.WAA21206@polaris.sju>
I just felt the need to share my list of top 10 cds of 97 thus far...let me
know if you agree
10-Tie Megadeth-Cryptic Writings
Queensryche-HitNF
8- Live-Secret Samadhi
7-Primus-The Brown Album
6-Days of The New-Self Titled
5-Foo Fighters-Colour and the Shape
4-Charlie Hunter Quartet-Natty Dread
3-Helmet-Aftertaste
2-Fates Warning-APSoG
and #1(hey, I am biased :) )
Dream Theater- Falling Into Infinity
There it is, let me know if you agree
Stephen La Monica
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Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 21:41:58 -0400
From: ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: music appreciation
Message-ID: <19971012165045.AAA16659@sni.pananet.com>
Ok , I think i know what Clark is talking about. Lets look at 2 completely
different songs:
Learning to Live
and
Smells Like Teen Spirit :)
Lets start with the simpler one...
SLTS:
starts out with the main riff clean. Then the whole band comes in along
with the distorted guitar. First verse: bass plays main theme, simple drum
beat, 2 notes played on guitar every 2 measures. Vocals enter her as well.
Pre-Chorus: guitar plays note consecutively, and voice repeats a line over
and over again to build into the Chorus: theme played loud again,
different vocal melody... ending with that little weird thing. Repeat
verse, pre-chorus, chorus....Solo: verse played loud...guitar plays vocal
melody. verse, pre-chorus, chorus.... finished.
LTL:
Do I really have to explain it?:) Sorry, too time-taking, but i think one
can see where i'm getting at. The songs moves like a story, exchanging
various themes, and going thru so many moods...and when it finishes, you
feel 'complete'.
So you see, your standard pop song can be very emotional, and you can get
into it. But lets face it, after a while it loses its touch. Once you get
'used' to the emotion, and the melody gets old it loses its appeal...now of
course, if you don't listen to it for a long time and forget some of it, it
will gain its appeal again.
But songs like LTL have something more. Besides the emotion, and the good
melodies, there is constant mood-changing. There aren't any real
repetitions. Rather they interpret a section differently each time, doing
variations on it. This is similiar to what happens in classical music.
Rather than repeating a melody over and over again, they keep on changing
it, moving away from it, suggesting it, teasing the listener to make him
stay till the end when he'll be blasted head on by the whole thing.
THAT's what we're talking about here. Not just 'getting into the music' and
'emotion'. Of course those things are very important to music to...but I
prefer it when musicians arrange a song so the emotion is represented
beter.
Ernesto
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Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 22:51:12 -0400
From: Phil Carter <carter@negia.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Who's (on) first?
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971012225112.006a53a4@pop.negia.net>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids...
Satu remarked:
>it seems like people treasure the albums they first heard from
>a band and the rest aren't that good anymore. I don't know your
>opinion about this (I want to know what you think about this ok !)
>but I think it's pretty much true. I mean, I first heard I&W
>from DT and I think it's their greatest album. And the people
>I know who heard Awake first, they think it's DT's best album.
>And so on. I know lots of examples about this subject, but I won't
>go on about it any longer. Have you noticed anything like this ?
*ahem* <lecture voice>
I believe this is called the primacy effect. As Satu noted, it often
results in you liking the first disc you heard from a band so much that
it's your favorite. (Not to be confused with the recency effect, which
states that the most recent stimulus is the most powerful -- there's some
debate amongst psychologists as to whether the primacy effect or recency
effect is stronger).
</lecture voice>
Now, having said that, let me throw it out and say that it doesn't often
work that way with me personally. The first thing I heard from DT was
"Images & Words," followed by "Awake," but my favorite disc is "ACoS".
Well, my favorite song, anyway -- I often listen to just ACoS, then put in
some other disc after the song's done. But that disc gets more play than
any of my other DT discs. Same with Joe Satriani, my other major favorite.
First thing I heard was "Not of This Earth," but my favorite is and always
will be "Flying in a Blue Dream".
On the other hand, there've been plenty of others where my first album by
that artist is still my favorite -- David Arkenstone's "In The Wake of the
Wind" comes to mind, as does Metallica's "And Justice for All," Yngwie's
"Odyssey," and Nicholas Gunn's "The Sacred Fire."
Bottom line: I guess it's different for everybody, but I'd bet the "first
hearing is the best" is more common. :)
Anybody else?
Cheers,
Phil
=========================================================
Phil Carter -- carter@negia.net http://www.negia.net/~carter
"Music brings peace to the restless, and comforts the sorrowful. They who
no longer know where to turn find new ways. And those who have despaired,
gain new confidence and love." -- Pablo Casals
Currently playing: Stratovarius -- "Episode"
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 13:36:36 +1000 (GMT+1000)
From: Jason Keily <s342953@student.uq.edu.au>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Album conversation, & Australian FII.
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.95.971013132003.9534B-100000@student.uq.edu.au>
>
> On Sun, 12 Oct 1997, Satu Reunanen wrote:
> > And this reminds me from a conversation I had with my boyfriend:
> > it seems like people treasure the albums they first heard from
> > a band and the rest aren't that good anymore. I don't know your
> > opinion about this (I want to know what you think about this ok !)
> > but I think it's pretty much true. I mean, I first heard I&W
> > from DT and I think it's their greatest album. And the people
> > I know who heard Awake first, they think it's DT's best album.
> > And so on. I know lots of examples about this subject, but I won't
> > go on about it any longer. Have you noticed anything like this ?
>
I only own Awake and I&W. I bought Awake first followed by I&W. I love
Awake, but on my first few listens of I&W it sounded to me like it was
missing something in comparison to Awake. But now I love them both, and I
couldn't choose between them if my life depended on it.
For the Australian's on the jam who don't have FII yet, my local
record store told me the Australian release date was on october 6th.
However due to a bad press of the CD the release date was changed. Only
god knows when we will see FII.
see ya,
Jason.
___________________________
| JASON KEILY |
| s342953@student.uq.edu.au |
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Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 22:48:40 -0500 (CDT)
From: Visker <jlvskr@dordt.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: pantera, cont...
Message-ID: <9710122248.aa27348@cc.dordt.edu>
I could be wrong, but I think that the pantera intro being discussed
does, indeed actually include Mike's "jerking off" motion. Anyone
confirm this...or better yet, does anyone really care?? It's a rarity
when I can actually contribute some useful information to this jam
so right now I'm jumping on the opportunity. :)
How awesome is it that Mike is keeping us updated through the D-man!!
Now if only they could play a date in the Iowa, South Dakota, Nebraska
area...man it sucks going to college in the middle of nowhere!
I agree with Ptacek that all of JP's solos on FII seem totally improvised.
Why is this? I guess it's not bad, because JP's improv's generally
blow my mind (note "Bombay Vindaloo" in LATM), but it just seems kind
of strange that his solos would come across this way? Anyone have
any ideas on this??
-Visker
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Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 22:50:40 -0500 (CDT)
From: Christopher Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: In defense of the Mini Disc :)
Message-ID: <199710130350.WAA01122@enteract.com>
> From: Marcelo Vanzin <vanzin@geocities.com>
> Subject: MiniDiscs, CD Burner, AAAAAHHHHH! =)
> A friend of mine (which know a lot more than me about minidiscs) said
> they use a thermal process to record the information on the discs (the
> component of the disc itself is sensible to heat, though), and, let's
> say, if you forget one of your minidiscs in your car on one of those
> really hot days, your recordings are gone. :)
Hehehe okay... name me ONE media that doesn't get fucked when you
leave it in a car on a hot day. Your records, tapes, cds (Especially cd
cases! They turn into weird surreal sculptures!), DATs, disks, zip and
jaz cartridges... you name it. They all get warped by heat. Your
TicketMaster tickets will turn black if you leave them in direct sunlight
in a hot car (They won't be accepted at the door if they get blackened, so
think before you test it). This is the last thing I'd worry about when
deciding on your digital recording device.
> From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
> Subject: Re: Compression
> Actually in double blind tests, some people can tell the difference between
> lossy compression and non-lossy due to tinning in the hi frequencies. Most
> people can't hear past 15khz anyways...
I've never heard of anyone being able to hear the difference. I
can hear into really high frequencies, and I can't. I guess SOMEONE's got
to be able to, but chances are, you're not going to be that person.
ESPECIALLY if you're not using flat response headphones or flat response
monitor speakers. The brand and model of your MiniDisc player, receiver,
headphones, speakers, and even speaker wire are going to make a MUCH
bigger difference in the overall sound.
> The only problem I see with minidiscs is that it is not full PCM 44.1khz so
> you can't press directly to CD.
Well, I wouldn't consider the MD as an option for pro recording.
It's always better to record at the maximum possible sound quality...
if you can master at 24 bit, you're gonna do it.
What it IS is a way to get re-recordable cd quality that you can
use instead of a shitty walkman, so you can hear a bunch of your favorite
tunes without bringing all your cds with you. I think it'd be reasonably
useful as a bootlegging tool too, but there's no advantage I can think of
that it has over the DAT in that respect.
Chris Ptacek at EnterAct, L.L.C -- (773) 248 8511
http://www.enteract.com (business)
http://www.prognosis.com/madsman/ (my contribution to
--------------------------------- the vast wealth of
"To err is human... to suck out | underdeveloped
one's brain with an orally | web sites)
deployed flesh tube is not."-MS| ****************
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Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 23:53:23 -0400
From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: New FAQ Update
Message-ID: <199710130353.XAA27402@daffy.cs.wm.edu>
Hey, gang. FAQ version 5.02 is available from the regular places. Hasta!
-d
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Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 21:20:15 -0700
From: cluesump@sirius.com (Charoenkwan Luesumphan)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: christian vander
Message-ID: <v01520d00b06751a4fa37@[205.134.227.117]>
Chip Alexander <chips@eden.com> wrote:
>I heard somewhere that this dude has a swimming pool with a drumset
>submerged in it that he practices on while wearing scuba gear. I'd
>almost be inclined to believe it from some of the shit he pulls off on
>that Magma Live album.
Yeah! Right! I'm glad you mentioned Vander. He is an excellent drummer IMO
and his lyrics are awesome too. Let's hear Attahk.
Regards,
AE
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Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 23:47:12 -0500
From: Seth Hatlelid <srhatlel@artsci.wustl.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Myung's video
Message-ID: <l03110700b067578f7f6c@[128.252.105.105]>
Hiya,
I have a copy of JM instructional video and I'd be happy to copy it
for you if you send me a blamk VHS and return postage. I would'nt suggest
buying it because it's REALLY boring and it really doesn't help your
playing much at all. It is just a 30 minute collection of scales and
triads, how to tune the six string bass (oh, didn't know that), and a few
short jams with Derek and Mike. It's not worth it.
Thanx,
seth
Seth Hatlelid
srhatlel@artsci.wustl.edu
"If lobsters looked like puppies, people could never drop them in boiling
water while they're still alive. But instead, they look like science fiction
monsters, so it's OK. Restaurants that allow patrons to select live lobsters
from a tank should be made to paint names on their shells: "Happy", "Baby
Doll", "Junior." I defy anyone to drop a living thing called "Happy" in
rapidly boiling water."
-Unknown
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Date: Sun, 12 Oct 97 23:49:04 -0500
From: "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: YtseContact
Message-ID: <3441a83f6036508@mhub1.tc.umn.edu>
Well, the YtseContact page has been updated to include the recently confirmed
shows (thanks to Mike P and D-Man!), and the entries that were recieved over the
weekend. We're getting some good-sized lists together, keep it coming!
-Brian
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"I may have wasted all those years, but they're not worth their time in tears."
-John Myung of Dream Theater
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Date: Sun, 12 Oct 97 23:51:33 -0500
From: "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: YtseContacts, pt II
Message-ID: <3441a8d46036539@mhub1.tc.umn.edu>
Duh, I forgot to send the address. It's in my sig below.
-Brian
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"I may have wasted all those years, but they're not worth their time in tears."
-John Myung of Dream Theater
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Dream Theater North American Tour pre-show gatherings info:
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Alley/3771/dt.html
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 01:43:27 -0400
From: Lobsterback <hender@wam.umd.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: KCRem
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19971013014327.006c815c@pop.wam.umd.edu>
I've heard a 'rumor' and I'd like to see if anybody out there can verify
it. A friend of mine was talking to a DJ friend of his, who said that all
the older King Crimson albums were going to be re-remastered. The story
was relayed to me, and I relay it to you, the Commonwealth of 'Jam. Is
this true? If so, I'd have to say that's some good news. They were'are
some of the worst remasterings I'd ever heard - muddy and recorded too
low/quiet.
To bed I tread...
Brian Henderson
hender@wam.umd.edu
"Tee hee, hoddle, ha. Why don't you just get back into your cesspit or you
won't have the energy for a full day's slob." -- AJ Rimmer
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 00:33:40 -0700
From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: fuzzy logic-Tage, TSO
Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=kbhq%l=KBHQ-971013073340Z-51207@ms.Kallback.com>
>TSO is also working on a second album that is not Christmas based, but
>is simular by using passages from well known classical composers. This
>is also due out in Janurary.
>Nathan Bradley
So they don't want to compete against themselves in December, but they
don't mind in January?
>
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