YTSEJAM Digest 3100
Today's Topics:
1) Bootlegs
by "Emiliano " <emaiello@rm.mware.it>
2) The Musical Box
by Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
3) Fanclub, Fucking digest, DT sites/webring
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
4) Re: Toad's place...
by Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
5) Re: MiniDisc
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
6) Hmmmmmm
by Christopher Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
7) New Personal Page.
by ERIK STEARNS <stearns@bga.com>
8) Re: WDADU
by Shai Yallin <Yallin@Netvision.net.il>
9) Re: Killing Hand
by Shai Yallin <Yallin@Netvision.net.il>
10) Total NDTC
by Shai Yallin <Yallin@Netvision.net.il>
11) Re: Live in Tokyo
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
12) Derek's playing
by EricD91011@aol.com
13) Re: Abel and ready
by "Monty J. Newberry" <mjnewb@MO.NET>
14) Re: K-Rock
by Jeff Forte <araby@ibm.net>
15) Re: Music Appreciation 101
by CLARK ABEL <99ABEL@alma.edu>
16) Poop F P!
by Andreas =?iso-8859-1?Q?Wallstr=F6m?= <andreas.wallstrom@swipnet.se>
17) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3098
by Matt Robbins-McDaniel <cfi@disknet.com>
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Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 14:42:17 +0200
From: "Emiliano " <emaiello@rm.mware.it>
To: "ytse jam" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Bootlegs
Message-ID: <199710121345.PAA28911@rm.ats.it>
Hi everybody i just want to tell you that here in Italy there is a shop
that sell these tree bootlegs for $45:
-Uncovered
-The Fix for 96
-Guitar talkin'
If any jammer is interessed i can try to order some copies....
BYE BYE
Emiliano
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emaiello@rm.mware.it
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Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 09:20:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
To: Thrak75@aol.com
Subject: The Musical Box
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.971012091733.23854B-100000@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
> 10/14 irving plaza:
> the musical box presents genesis' "selling england by the pound"
to quote southpark, these guys "kick ass!"
i saw them in april at some rinky-dink (of course, this is where
marillion played...) place and they blew my ass away (literally). they
do an EXACT replica of the SEbtP tour - costumes, lights, everything.
It's something you HAVE TO SEE to believe. They'll rock your world.
- m.
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e-mail: syrinx@dreamt.org / syrinx@mindspring.com
erotomania!: http://www.mindspring.com/~syrinx/
offical lemur voice homepage:
http://www.mindspring.com/~syrinx/lemur.htm
(c) 1997 Happy Fun Ball, Inc. All Rights Reserved.
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Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 14:25:58 +0100
From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Fanclub, Fucking digest, DT sites/webring
Message-ID: <01BCD722.A2E04D40@Picard.startrek.GlobalXS.nl>
Peter Tatischev wrote :
> Can anybody help me - I want to join the fan club - do they have
> an e-mail address or a web-site...
"Under A Cyber Moon" has all the info you need, to join the Official
International Fanclub (UK) and also has addresses for the other four
official fanclubs. http://www.prognosis.com/dream/
Btw, I don't mind that the Ytsejam didn't get mentioned in the "FII"
credits. But what I do mind is that their piece of shit official web
site *did* get mentioned. I dunno, if I ran an official website that
got mentioned on a CD, it'd make damn sure it was up-to-date... :-/
_____
Steffen Barabasch wrote :
> time they wanted to keep it short, so where's the problem? The ytsejam
> got a extra special thanks in the ACOS liners already, I guess many
> people who did more for the band got less, so stop complaining!
Well put !
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Chris Ptacek wrote :
> The fucking digest is what you get, and if that ain't good enough,
> unsub.
Hey ! I never got the fucking digest !
I always miss out on the good stuff... :"(
> If he IS anti Ytsejam, it's because we're not always a good
> fun loving group.
There are more people talking shit about Dream Theater on this list,
than anywhere else in the Universe... That'd be a good enough reason
for me to by anti Ytsejam. :-)
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Andrew Fors wrote :
> Hello fellow Jammers! I'd like to announce mynew Web Site, the
> Space-Dye Web Page! It's new and under heavy daily contruction, but
> it's there! I'd like all you Jammers to drop by and for you webmasters,
> please add me to you links, I'll be working on my links section soon!
> Also, coud SOMEBODY in the Lifting Shadows off a Dream WebRing PLEASE
> add me into the ring? I've asked liek 4 people already and been denied.
I haven't seen your site yet, so I don't know how much is there (seeing
as it's under 'heavy daily construction'). What I do know, is that it's
a *total* pain in the ass when people try to get into your webring with
only a main page and a buncha links that say "404 File Not Found", when
you click on them. Pages like *that* simply do not belong in a webring,
until they are finished. So, if anyone on this list is working on their
own Dream Theater site, do not try to join the webring until everything
is working. It sucks having to turn you down. Also, the only person who
can move your site from the queue into the webring is Nuggetman. As far
as I know, there's no need for you to contact anyone, because Nuggetman
*automatically* gets notified when you put your site into the webring's
queue... Just make sure your website is working and also has the proper
webring code and GIF. And for fuck's sake, try to be a bit original :-P
Mark
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Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 09:24:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
To: DragynLMC3@aol.com
Subject: Re: Toad's place...
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.971012092351.23854D-100000@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
> Subj: **Dream Theatre**
i saw them at Birch Hill '96. Funny, but at Birch Hill '95 they
said some band named Dream THEATER was playing....
:)
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e-mail: syrinx@dreamt.org / syrinx@mindspring.com
erotomania!: http://www.mindspring.com/~syrinx/
offical lemur voice homepage:
http://www.mindspring.com/~syrinx/lemur.htm
(c) 1997 Happy Fun Ball, Inc. All Rights Reserved.
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Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 14:50:01 -0200 (EDT)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: MiniDisc
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.971012144729.14196B-100000@hoare.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Sat, 11 Oct 1997, Andrew Fors wrote:
> Yeah, MiniDiscs look like floppy discs, but smaller. I love mine!
> :) Theya re wonderful things. SOOOOO much better than a casette, and
> more convenient than a CD burner, with re-write capabilities.
But it has lossy compression, doesn't it? I'm very picky about
sound quality and I'd like to know what they sound like before buying one.
:-) BTW, I just bought a CD-RW burner and finished installing it. :-) Life
will be better now, with more bootlegs. :-) But I still have to test if
CD-RW's can be played on my stereo.
[]s, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=------------------------------
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 10:50:25 -0500 (CDT) From: Christopher Ptacek <someone@enteract.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Hmmmmmm Message-ID: <199710121550.KAA28741@enteract.com>
I'm sorry, Clark. Not sorry because I think you're wrong, but sorry because I'm responding to your post... :)
I think it IS a great thing to try to get other people into DT and prog music... anything that opens someone's mind to more music is a great thing... but... People who listen to country do get as much out of their music as we get out of DT. People who listehn to Rap do too. The same with folk... every style of music appeals to some people on a really deep level. For instance, I'm not sure where you live, but in my old neighborhood (South side of Chicago) people would drive by my house in their cars with the "Way2MuchBassSoYourMusicSoundsLikeShit" (TM) stereo system pumped up to 11. They'd be getting totally into this "rap" music... throwing their fists with the beat or whatever. Often times while waiting for a bus, I'd have a group of people I know sitting there rapping, and getting TOTALLY into it. I mean... I know they were into it, because I couldn't have done it if I tried, and rarely does anything "speaking-oriented" give me that doubt. As someone who does have trouble appreciating that kind of music, I don't know if it's the beat, the rhythm, the tones, the voices, or the overall message that got these people going. But they appreciated there music at least as much as I appreciate mine (I never say on the corner singing DT while waiting for a bus... Slayer, Morbid Angel, etc... but no DT). With country, it's the same thing. What do you think it is about Garth Brooks that reduces all those women to tears when he comes out on stage? Did they see him with his shirt off, and his gut hanging out? No... they're moved by their music. It's not the complexity that moves everyone. Some of the simplest music on the planet makes me crazy... I LOVE anything off the first 3 Iron Maiden albums, even though it's extremely basic music. It's just a matter of how you were brought up, and what you find desirable in music. That's why I can't (tho I'm REALLY TEMPTED) say that the music I like is better than the music someone else likes. I've had rap fans try to tell ME that before (That Nate G Dogg Monkey Nard was better music than my "long hair" bands). It's all a matter of taste, which runs even deeper than just opinion. It's burnt into your soul by repeated listens.
--
Chris Ptacek at EnterAct, L.L.C -- (773) 248 8511 http://www.enteract.com (business) http://www.prognosis.com/madsman/ (my contribution to --------------------------------- the vast wealth of "To err is human... to suck out | underdeveloped one's brain with an orally | web sites) deployed flesh tube is not."-MS| **************** ---------------------------------
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Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 10:50:58 -0500 From: ERIK STEARNS <stearns@bga.com> To: Alfred Kinsey <derflayesn@aol.com>, YTSEJAM <ytsejam@ax.com>, Subject: New Personal Page. Message-ID: <3440F1E2.74CF@realtime.net>
Just wanted to let you know that I have a new personal web page up and running. Take a look and enjoy and let me know if you have some input.
Erik. -- An Open mind is the thriving of a society while the closed mind is the downfall of the same. For in Saroks's words, "The spear in the others's heart is the spear in your own. You are he."
-- From the "Freedom" Speech to Larion's Congress
Erik Stearns StarBlazer Enterprises Inc. (512)719-1252 Fax: (512)719-1066 mailto:stearns@bga.com mailto:stearns@realtime.net http://www.starblazer.com http://www.realtime.net/~stearns
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Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 17:32:42 +0200 From: Shai Yallin <Yallin@Netvision.net.il> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: WDADU Message-ID: <3440ED99.5C04@Netvision.net.il>
> Andrew Fors > afors@btigate.com > http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/2119 > ----------------------------------- > Sometimes a view from sinless eyes > Centers our perspective > And pacifies our cries > Sometimes the anguish we survive > And the mysteries we nurture > Are the fabrics of our lives > > "Lines in the Sand" > Dream Theater - Falling into Infinity
The weirdest thing just happened:
I was listening to FII, reading the jam. As I read the lines above, I notice that JLB sings the same lines in Lines In The Sand in the background.... weird, no?
-- Shai Yallin - Kurush on #YTSEJAM
"I'm American, honey. Our names don't mean shit." - Bruce Willis on Pulp Fiction
"How can you keep your head and not go insane when the only light at the end of the tunnel is another train" - Mike Portnoy
Visit my home page at http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palladium/3247
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Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 17:37:45 +0200 From: Shai Yallin <Yallin@Netvision.net.il> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Killing Hand Message-ID: <3440EEC9.5E49@Netvision.net.il>
Andrew Fors wrote: > soon. "Only a Matter of Time" is one of my fav. DT songs, and I'm > yeat to hear LaBrie sing it. Hopefully soon. Anyway, that's my 2 > cents.
You know, I was in the same situation 2 weeks ago. Don't expect too much. That praticular show was probably one of his worst shows ever.... Status Seeker has a Myung mistake in the 1st verse, A Fortune In Lies has a Moore mistake, And The Killing Hand (Bahr, why did you cut "Another Hand" out?) is better on LATM....
I love Status Seeker and Afterlife though....
-- Shai Yallin - Kurush on #YTSEJAM
"I'm American, honey. Our names don't mean shit." - Bruce Willis on Pulp Fiction
"How can you keep your head and not go insane when the only light at the end of the tunnel is another train" - Mike Portnoy
Visit my home page at http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palladium/3247
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Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 17:52:07 +0200 From: Shai Yallin <Yallin@Netvision.net.il> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Total NDTC Message-ID: <3440F226.583F@Netvision.net.il>
Hi There!
-=-=-=-=-=- This post has absolutly no DT content. -=-=-=-=-=- -=-=-=-=-=- If you're only interseted in DTC, -=-=-=-=-=- -=-=-=-=-=- please page through this post. -=-=-=-=-=-
Can anyone point me to a good JavaScript tutorial/reference? I know nada about java (though I do know C/C++) and I wanna know (If anyone have seen my web page, you know what I mean by nada)
Also, I need a good html editor (I'm using Netscape... the shame....)
Thanx in advance,
-- Shai Yallin - Kurush on #YTSEJAM
"I'm American, honey. Our names don't mean shit." - Bruce Willis on Pulp Fiction
"How can you keep your head and not go insane when the only light at the end of the tunnel is another train" - Mike Portnoy
Visit my home page at http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palladium/3247
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Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 14:52:54 -0200 (EDT) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Live in Tokyo Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.971012145123.14196D-100000@hoare.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Sat, 11 Oct 1997, Andrew Fors wrote:
[Live in Tokyo video] > Don't forget the intro to a Pantera song in the YtseJam!
What's this Pantera song every one seems to be talking about? And when is this? Is this when Portnoy simulates a "jerk off" with the drum sticks??
[]s and very curious, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 12:01:15 -0400 (EDT) From: EricD91011@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Derek's playing Message-ID: <971012120104_422673502@emout03.mail.aol.com>
Someone brought up the topic of Derek's playing on the album, so I felt compelled to write about it. Keeping in my mind, Kevin Moore is my musical hero, I of course went in to FII with a pretty critical ear to Derek's playing. However, his work is very impressive and I am thoroughly impressed with how he essentially developed a "Derek sounding" keyboard with only one album. The clean, space age sounds out of his Korg are unlike anything I have heard. "Just Let me Breathe" is his best work on the album (lines is close of course). Derek also compliments JP better than he has in the past. The background on "You Not Me" is very cool and catchy, holds the song together very well. However, my only complaint is his piano playing. Although his jazzy part on Lines is amazing the rest is subpar. Anna Lee remains too simple for my test in terms of piano parts. Kevin of course was a lot more classically influenced so maybe comparisions on that account are unfair, still Kevin's piano and lyrics in my opinion are what separates him from Derek. Just some thoughts. Take the time.
-Eric
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Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 11:06:16 +0000 From: "Monty J. Newberry" <mjnewb@MO.NET> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Abel and ready Message-ID: <199710121605.LAA11183@Walden.MO.NET>
> Well, yes, that is a shot in the dark if i ever saw one:) > > It's actaully a song from 'Show of Hands' by Robert Fripp and the League of > Crafty Guitarists. Now I have to go rewatch that episode of Red Dwarf (with a character named Abel) and see if there's any line similar to that. I do need to check out more Fripp. I've got the sampler "Sometimes God Hides," and it rocks.
Dale R. Newberry
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Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 13:14:49 -0400 From: Jeff Forte <araby@ibm.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: K-Rock Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19971012131449.006ac140@pop01.ny.us.ibm.net>
************* If anyone knows the phone number of 92.3 K-Rock in New York, please let me know. They usually play alternative, but I turned the radio on 3 times this week and spewn among the garbage I've heard Danzig's Mother, GNR's Don't Cry, and the new Ozzy twice. I think they're trying an experiment to see if people request this stuff when they play it. Hey, who knows? Now might be a good time to start requesting some DT! With the new album out and all, they might even have a copy of YNM or BMS in the studio! *************
Actually, its kind of funny you mention this. Last week I heard some AC/DC on the station, as well as GnR's November Rain. Who knows, maybe they are testing the water for a new format. Hopefully, 'cause they really suck now :)
Jeff aka Chambers
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Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 13:25:47 -0400 (EDT) From: CLARK ABEL <99ABEL@alma.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Music Appreciation 101 Message-ID: <01IOPY0J9G869OEKK4@alma.edu>
>> And just because the internal intricasies of the music are beyond their >> comprehension, the music doesn't mean as much to them?
Well, I've been thinking about this all night, and I have to say no, I don't think it does. I can't know what's in anyone else's head, and this discussion will never really go anywhere because there are too many ambiguous terms flying around, like "Doesn't MEAN as much to someone". But I really believe that music becomes much more powerful when you understand it better. Again, I am not talking about theory. I'm just talking about listening to the music much more carefully than most people do.
> People who listen to country do get as much out of their music as >we get out of DT. People who listehn to Rap do too. The same with >folk... every style of music appeals to some people on a really deep >level.
Well, you can't really say that with certainty, the same way I can't say that it's absolutely not true. As far as CP's examples of people getting really, really into rap, or women crying at Garth Brooks concerts, I have seen that and I'm still not convinced. A long, long time ago... (well, not that long) I was that way with Metallica. I guess maybe that's why I don't feel like a total ass saying all these things, because in a way I do understand what it is that people get out of rap or country. As far as rap goes, I agree that people can get very into it, but I think that's more of an aggression thing, like metal, and that's just not what I'm talking about. There's music that I can get into like that, for example, the Skolnick solo to the Testament song "Return to Serenity" just makes me want to break stuff. But what I'm talking about goes way beyond that, and that's what I think the average pop fan doesn't realize he or she is missing. As far as country goes, that kind of reminds me of when someone said TAMP was cheesy, and then a bunch of people responded< "dude, JP wrote that song about his father dying, it's like their most emotionalsong ever!" or when someone said once on this list that Tori Amos and country music have that element that DT is missing: emotion. If anyone thinks that TAMP is their most emotional song just because of the lyrics, then they're not going to understand what I'm talking about anyways. Not that you're WRONG if you think that, "emotion" is totally subjective, I'm just saying that I'm talking about something that goes way beyond lyrics. Ok, I'm just pulling this all way out of my ass, and it's starting to show. I don't want to argue this too much because I'm not really sure I'm right... anyways I think this discussion has gotten to the point where we all just have to admit that none of us can really know. Oh, and by the way, thanks for the response, Chris. :) -Clark
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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 20:12:46 +0100 From: Andreas =?iso-8859-1?Q?Wallstr=F6m?= <andreas.wallstrom@swipnet.se> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Poop F P! Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970122201246.0068e698@janus.swip.net>
>I'm glad to see that someone else remembers Poop!! I'm not sure >if he is still with the band. The best Poop story was at the >Birch Hell show on the Home For the Holiday's tour. The band >was coming back up on stage to do the encore but the stage was >all dark and the band couldn't see shit. James says something to >the effect of "hey, it's dark up here and we can't see" or "I wish >the lighting crew would get it together" or someshit and then >Mike yells "WAKE UP POOP!!".
That's our Poop! Hehehe! As far as I remember, he did great when they were here, so he must have fallen asleep! :=)
Poop for President! I have a pic of him that I'll put on the Internet soon!!!!
Andy
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Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 14:01:20 -0500 From: Matt Robbins-McDaniel <cfi@disknet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3098 Message-ID: <34411E80.3E9E@disknet.com>
Hi everyone,
> This is a very interesting point. It seems that most people have a > passion in their life. Something that they love to do and wouldn't give > up for just about anything. It also seems that music is the passion of > a large percentage of DT listeners (whether it is to play music or simply > listen attentively). However, the world is a diverse place and a lot of > people have a passion other than music (which is perfectly all right). > So I am willing to bet that there are also a lot of people who just gloss > over what they listen to. If it sounds good to them (even just as > background noise), it has fulfilled their purpose. And there's not too > much we can do to change their minds even if we wanted to. People > won't want to listen to DT if we try to force it upon them, much in > the same way most of us don't listen to Alternative because it is being > crammed down our throats (if not for various other reasons, also). > > Comments regarding this post are welcome.
These are all good points and they got me thinking, what are the life's passions of jammers aside from music. Obviously, we're not all musicians. There are obviously computer people out there, as well as students, parents, businesspersons, bootlegers, etc. I LOVE music and listen to it with more interest than I do most things, but I'm not a musician. I don't play any instrument, can't sing and can't decipher time sigs. I can still apperciate the talent of a good musician and the intelligence of well written lyrics though.
My other life's passion is aviation. I make my living as a pilot and find nearly anything relating to aviation, airplanes and flying to be interesting to me. I'm just curious, what are our life passions beyond DT and music?? Does this interest anyone else?? Okay, so its NDTC, but it beats endless flame wars and if the jam is "one big happy family," shouldn't we know something about each other? Happy headbanging!
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