YTSEJAM digest 3110

From: ytsejam@ax.com
Date: Tue Oct 14 1997 - 04:14:36 EDT

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                                YTSEJAM Digest 3110

    Today's Topics:

      1) -gry words... NDTC
     by "Andrew Fors" <afors@btigate.com>
      2) James too good for DT?; page update & CD information
     by "David Whitaker" <David-Whitaker@worldnet.att.net>
      3) hearing silence...
     by "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
      4) CD-R's and MP3's
     by "John Hough" <jhough@mindspring.com>
      5) Top 10
     by "Andrew Fors" <afors@btigate.com>
      6) MiniDisc
     by "Andrew Fors" <afors@btigate.com>
      7) I'm BAAACKKKK!!!
     by JB <beamup@vt.edu>
      8) MD for bootlegging?
     by "Andrew Fors" <afors@btigate.com>
      9) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3109
     by stephen botic <stoveb@execpc.com>
     10) Re: TSO
     by Jan Ziese <jzi@star-ag.ch>
     11) Re: Top 10
     by Brandon Elhai <belhai@drew.edu>
     12) Kevin Moore
     by "Andrew Fors" <afors@btigate.com>
     13) WDATU
     by "Andrew Fors" <afors@btigate.com>
     14) Website
     by "Andrew Fors" <afors@btigate.com>
     15) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3109
     by "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
     16) TV High Pitched noise
     by "Matt Mommaerts" <mattymo@inxpress.net>
     17)
     by Paul Dyer <dyer@taunet.net.au>

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    Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 00:50:44 -0600
    From: "Andrew Fors" <afors@btigate.com>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: -gry words... NDTC
    Message-ID: <199710140540.AAA23844@btiserv.btigate.com>

    On 13 Oct 97 at 16:52, ytsejam@ax.com wrote:

    > Can anyone help me with this riddle? I heard it over a year ago and still
    > can't figure it out. The riddle goes: "There are three words that end in
    > -gry . . . angry, hungry, and what? It is a word that you use almost
    > everyday." Another version I have heard is that "if you have listened
    > closely to what I have said, then you already heard the answer." Does
    > anybody know what the answer to this stupid riddle is, or is it wrong.

      Heh heh, the third is.... GRY. :) Look it up. :) I'd give you a
    definition, but I don't have dictionary handy.
    Andrew Fors
    afors@btigate.com
    http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/2119
    -----------------------------------
    Sometimes a view from sinless eyes
    Centers our perspective
    And pacifies our cries
    Sometimes the anguish we survive
    And the mysteries we nurture
    Are the fabrics of our lives

        "Lines in the Sand"
            Dream Theater - Falling into Infinity

    ------------------------------

    Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 00:42:57 -0500
    From: "David Whitaker" <David-Whitaker@worldnet.att.net>
    To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: James too good for DT?; page update & CD information
    Message-ID: <19971014054545.AAA26692@hombre>

    I played FII for my girlfriend this past weekend on my visit home, and she
    liked 'Hollow Years'. She also liked 'Just Let Me Breathe' but laughed at
    James' voice. I quote, "He sounds like he's trying so hard to sound
    'rough'! <laugh> His voice is too good to be in this band. It just
    doesn't match up." (She did think his voice matched up with HY, though)
    I've been working on her for nearly two years now, nearly force-feeding her
    DT nonstop. It sounds as if she might cave in any day now. =)

    Lately my page has been updated with a lot of new information on the
    bootleg compilation discs I'm offering. Please go here if you're wondering
    what "Seven Wonders," "Spinning Years,", and "Caught in Amsterdam '97" are
    all about:

    http://www.geocities.com/soho/2236

    Later,
    D. Ryan Whitaker
    David-Whitaker@worldnet.att.net

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    Date: Tue, 14 Oct 97 00:54:19 -0500
    From: "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: hearing silence...
    Message-ID: <3443090b3ebb006@mhub2.tc.umn.edu>

    > Um..doesnt everyone hear this? I can tell easily... same when you get on
    > a car that has everything closed out.. you can *hear* silence..like a
    > shirpy noisy kinda shit thats really annonying

    Silence truly *can* be deafening. I don't know if it's normal, or if it's a
    combo of years of loud music and firearms, but when it's really quiet, my head
    is filled with a loud drone...it even keeps me awake sometimes.

    -Brian

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                             -John Myung of Dream Theater
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    Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 23:25:18 -0700
    From: "John Hough" <jhough@mindspring.com>
    To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: CD-R's and MP3's
    Message-ID: <01bcd869$f1631720$f53556d1@g_hough.qualcomm.com>

    I have a question for anyone with a cd-r drive, has anyone tried to compress
    a mp3 file in the
    "WAV mpeg layer3 format" and put it on a music disc and see if it will play
    on a regular stereo?
    It compresses the file as a wav file and plays in all wav players on the
    computer, so I figured I would give it a shot! It would be great if it
    worked, 4-6 hours worth of stuff on one cd. Just a thought.

    John Hough
    jhough@mindspring.com
    http://www.mindspring.com/~jhough
    GO PADRES!!!!!!!
    Tony Gwynn wins 8th batting title --- 9/27/97 --- .374 (1st)

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    Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 01:51:13 -0600
    From: "Andrew Fors" <afors@btigate.com>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Top 10
    Message-ID: <199710140641.BAA26793@btiserv.btigate.com>

    > There it is, let me know if you agree

      Here's Mine:

    10. Boston's Greatest Hits
    9. Return of the Jedi - SPecial Edition SDTK
    8. Johnny Lang - Lie to Me
    7. Megadeth - Cryptic Writings
    6. Styx - Retrun to Paradise
    5. Final Fantasy VII - SDTK
    4. Scorpions: The Mercurty Years
    3. KMFDM - KMFDM
    2.Dream Theater - FII
    1. Poison - Crack a Smile bootleg

      What a variety, eh?
    Andrew Fors
    afors@btigate.com
    http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/2119
    -----------------------------------
    Sometimes a view from sinless eyes
    Centers our perspective
    And pacifies our cries
    Sometimes the anguish we survive
    And the mysteries we nurture
    Are the fabrics of our lives

        "Lines in the Sand"
            Dream Theater - Falling into Infinity

    ------------------------------

    Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 01:51:13 -0600
    From: "Andrew Fors" <afors@btigate.com>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: MiniDisc
    Message-ID: <199710140641.BAA26797@btiserv.btigate.com>

    On 13 Oct 97 at 6:31, ytsejam@ax.com wrote:

    > > Whoo hoo! Another MiniDisc owner it's hard to find another person
    > > with a MiniDisc player! Can you e-mail me a list of good downloads
    > > for DT so I can record to MD as well? I LOVE my MD Player! :)
    >
    > I also own a minidisc , and have recorded the whole fii album from downloaded mp3
    > files (I will still buy the album of course when it eventually gets released in the UK).
    > I got these files from http://citadel.elender.hu/pod/rare.html, this site also has whole
    > concerts in mp3 and are pretty good quality. One question though , How do you record your mp3's ? I normally just connect the line out from my sound card to the
    > line in on the minidisc and record "analougly" , but I've heard that there is a card
    > with a optical line out which can record digitally which would be ideal for recording
    > to minidisc from a pc.

       I've never seen such a card, but I do belive it exists. I just use
    an analog cable for my recording. Even with a digital port, I'd
    probably still use analog, as I have an 18-foot cable running between
    my PC and stereo. :)
    Andrew Fors
    afors@btigate.com
    http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/2119
    -----------------------------------
    Sometimes a view from sinless eyes
    Centers our perspective
    And pacifies our cries
    Sometimes the anguish we survive
    And the mysteries we nurture
    Are the fabrics of our lives

        "Lines in the Sand"
            Dream Theater - Falling into Infinity

    ------------------------------

    Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 02:45:27 -0400
    From: JB <beamup@vt.edu>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: I'm BAAACKKKK!!!
    Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19970429024527.007cfac0@mail.vt.edu>

    >> A moment of silence, please, at the death of the musical genius
    >>John Denver.... :)
    >
    >Yea, John Denver was cool in his own way....I mean I'll listen to
    >folk music any day over rap and that dance crap.........Too bad he
    >had to die the way he did.........Dusty

    you know... this is not a funny topic.. but I just can't help it... when I
    first heard this news, I was listening to an old Monty Python Recording
    (Contractual Obligation Album I think). About a minute after the girl on
    headline news announced the death, the "Death of John Denver" sketch came
    on... I almost shat myself... I couldn't stop laughing... (callous as I may
    seem, it was pretty damn funny if you were there -- my roomate was the same
    way)...

    and... oh yeah...

    >> can't fix it, unfortunately. (Unless you have a Turing EQ.)
    > BTW, I don't know what a Turing EQ is, unfortunately.

    could this have been a Turing Machine AI joke?

    ugh, later, (you know you're an engineer when...)
            Jason

    -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
    Jason Brindel
    Computer Engineering '97
    Virginia Tech
    beamup@vt.edu
    http://www.vt.edu:10021/B/beamup
    (540)961-7262
    -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

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    Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 01:57:10 -0600
    From: "Andrew Fors" <afors@btigate.com>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: MD for bootlegging?
    Message-ID: <199710140647.BAA27020@btiserv.btigate.com>

    On 13 Oct 97 at 0:52, ytsejam@ax.com wrote:

    > What it IS is a way to get re-recordable cd quality that you can
    > use instead of a shitty walkman, so you can hear a bunch of your favorite
    > tunes without bringing all your cds with you. I think it'd be reasonably
    > useful as a bootlegging tool too, but there's no advantage I can think of
    > that it has over the DAT in that respect.

      Well, an advantage for booting over DATS would be price of a
    recorder... a portable MD recorder will only run you about $500, not
    like $1000 that I've seen DAT recorders for... plus they're smaller
    and more undetectable than a DAT recorder, you could stick it in your
    underwear if you wanted....
    Andrew Fors
    afors@btigate.com
    http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/2119
    -----------------------------------
    Sometimes a view from sinless eyes
    Centers our perspective
    And pacifies our cries
    Sometimes the anguish we survive
    And the mysteries we nurture
    Are the fabrics of our lives

        "Lines in the Sand"
            Dream Theater - Falling into Infinity

    ------------------------------

    Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 01:55:51 -0700
    From: stephen botic <stoveb@execpc.com>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3109
    Message-ID: <34433397.25A9@execpc.com>

    Can I please get off of this mailing list please. Thank you

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    Date: Tue, 14 Oct 97 09:01:43 +0100
    From: Jan Ziese <jzi@star-ag.ch>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: TSO
    Message-ID: <9710140801.AA05250@star2.star-ag.ch>

    At 15:39 13.10.97 -0700, you wrote:
    >>So they don't want to compete against themselves in December, but they
    >don't mind in >January?
    >
    >Hands up those who are gonna buy a christmas CD in January ?
    >How many jammers missed out on the CD, try getting it after xmas and
    >couldn't get a copy ?

    OK, this doesn't seem to be too easy: Not only will the TSO christmas CD be
    re-released but a NEW CD will be out in January. This new CD won't be xmas
    related but will be inspired by popular classic themes.
    This is why holding back the Savatage CD until January really doesn't make
    too much sense.

    All righty? Merry XMas everybody <|8-)
    Jan
    ------------------------------------------------------------------
    - Jan Ziese = +49 (0) 7738 / 99 858 = jzi@star-ag.ch -
    ------------------------------------------------------------------
    - If you fall from a skyscraper, scream only when you pass -
    - open windows. The closed windows are usually soundproof -
    - and you'd be just wasting your breath! -
    ------------------------------------------------------------------

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    Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 03:16:28 -0400 (EDT)
    From: Brandon Elhai <belhai@drew.edu>
    To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Re: Top 10
    Message-ID: <Pine.PMDF.3.95.971014031530.606456322B-100000@drew.edu>

    On Tue, 14 Oct 1997, Andrew Fors wrote:

    > Here's Mine:

    One of the biggest ytsejam sins. NO TOP TEN LISTS OF ANY NATURE!

    Brandon

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    Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 02:32:24 -0600
    From: "Andrew Fors" <afors@btigate.com>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Kevin Moore
    Message-ID: <199710140722.CAA28488@btiserv.btigate.com>

    On 12 Oct 97 at 16:04, ytsejam@ax.com wrote:

    > Just a question:
    >
    > How come Kevin did not play in ACoS??

      Since I'm sure no one else will answer you politely, here's the
    deal. After Awake, Kevin Moore left dream Theater over mostly
    personal reasons. Derek Shenirian replaced him and is doing an
    excellent job. You can hear his real skill on their nre album,
    Falling inti Infinity.
    Andrew Fors
    afors@btigate.com
    http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/2119
    -----------------------------------
    Sometimes a view from sinless eyes
    Centers our perspective
    And pacifies our cries
    Sometimes the anguish we survive
    And the mysteries we nurture
    Are the fabrics of our lives

        "Lines in the Sand"
            Dream Theater - Falling into Infinity

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    Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 02:32:24 -0600
    From: "Andrew Fors" <afors@btigate.com>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: WDATU
    Message-ID: <199710140723.CAA28502@btiserv.btigate.com>

    On 12 Oct 97 at 11:20, ytsejam@ax.com wrote:

    > Andrew Fors wrote:
    > > soon. "Only a Matter of Time" is one of my fav. DT songs, and I'm
    > > yeat to hear LaBrie sing it. Hopefully soon. Anyway, that's my 2
    > > cents.
    >
    > You know, I was in the same situation 2 weeks ago. Don't expect too
    > much.
    > That praticular show was probably one of his worst shows ever....
    > Status Seeker has a Myung mistake in the 1st verse,
    > A Fortune In Lies has a Moore mistake,
    > And The Killing Hand (Bahr, why did you cut "Another Hand" out?) is
    > better on LATM....
    >
    > I love Status Seeker and Afterlife though....

      Well, I'm expecting my CD soon. :) I'll judge it then. :) I still
    do like Dominici's "Fortune in Lies" better I think. :) "Another Hand
    - The Killing Hand" definitely is better with LaBrie I think. :)
    Andrew Fors
    afors@btigate.com
    http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/2119
    -----------------------------------
    Sometimes a view from sinless eyes
    Centers our perspective
    And pacifies our cries
    Sometimes the anguish we survive
    And the mysteries we nurture
    Are the fabrics of our lives

        "Lines in the Sand"
            Dream Theater - Falling into Infinity

    ------------------------------

    Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 02:32:24 -0600
    From: "Andrew Fors" <afors@btigate.com>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Website
    Message-ID: <199710140723.CAA28492@btiserv.btigate.com>

    On 12 Oct 97 at 11:20, ytsejam@ax.com wrote:

    > I haven't seen your site yet, so I don't know how much is there (seeing
    > as it's under 'heavy daily construction'). What I do know, is that it's
    > a *total* pain in the ass when people try to get into your webring with
    > only a main page and a buncha links that say "404 File Not Found", when
    > you click on them. Pages like *that* simply do not belong in a webring,
    > until they are finished. So, if anyone on this list is working on their
    > own Dream Theater site, do not try to join the webring until everything
    > is working. It sucks having to turn you down. Also, the only person who
    > can move your site from the queue into the webring is Nuggetman. As far
    > as I know, there's no need for you to contact anyone, because Nuggetman
    > *automatically* gets notified when you put your site into the webring's
    > queue... Just make sure your website is working and also has the proper
    > webring code and GIF. And for fuck's sake, try to be a bit original :-P

      I know, Nuggetman wrote me aboutit. :) He'll ad me when it'sreadyI
    believe. :) Progress is going well. I got my page up for "When Dream
    and Day Unite" today. :) Also have a link to tour dates courtesy of
    Ticketbastard. I am trying to make it original! I hate web pages that
    copy other pages. Use some stuff, sure, but don't copy the design for
    Christ's sake! :) It'll be nice when the Webmaster gets the damned
    MIDI to work... *sigh* Damned "Windows is going to start mplayer"
    shit is pissing me off!

    Andrew Fors
    afors@btigate.com
    http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/2119
    -----------------------------------
    Sometimes a view from sinless eyes
    Centers our perspective
    And pacifies our cries
    Sometimes the anguish we survive
    And the mysteries we nurture
    Are the fabrics of our lives

        "Lines in the Sand"
            Dream Theater - Falling into Infinity

    ------------------------------

    Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 03:37:35 -0400 (EDT)
    From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
    To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3109
    Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.96.971014032417.52518B-100000@gnu.uvm.edu>

    On Mon, 13 Oct 1997 ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
    > Also...re the long article about Atlantic....jeez, that's really scary
    > isn't it? Shit, bands aren't beasts of burden. Good god...."work them
    > harder?" *barf* that has to be one of the most crass things I've ever
    > heard anyone say....

    I'm not sure if I'm misreading what you said, so correct me if I'm wrong,
    but I think there is a misunderstanding. "Work them harder" in this case
    does not refer to putting the bands to work. When someone is "working" a
    band, that means that they are actively promoting them. So "work them
    harder" in this case actually means the desire on the side of the label to
    promote the bands to a more effective degree. Actually, the part you are
    referring to as "scary" is actually a good thing. A lot of major labels
    release a lot of new products per year and while these albums receieve an
    initial push, if nothing happens after several months, the labels will
    move on to the next release, leaving the album to either sink or swim on
    its own (it sinks most of the time). Thus, the statement that Atlantic
    wants to work harder the bands that they have, as opposed to the "seeing
    what sticks" method is a good thing because it allows for the current
    roster and the select new bands to receieve more individual attention,
    thus increasing the chances for success. Again, I might have taken what
    you said the wrong way, but I just wanted to clear the air.

                                    Richie

    P.S. BTW, why on earth was that article posted here? I mean, _I_ enjoyed
    it, but then again I'm into this kind of stuff.

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    Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 02:44:24 -0500
    From: "Matt Mommaerts" <mattymo@inxpress.net>
    To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: TV High Pitched noise
    Message-ID: <01bcd874$fde85900$2a0b10d0@mattymo.inxpress.net>

    > With the talk lately of the television noise in SDV, I have a question.
    Can any
    > of you tell when a TV is on nearby? I can sense this hum, almost more of a
    > feeling than a sound. Friends that I've mentioned this to think I'm nuts.
    I can
    > walk into a place, and if there's a tv on nearby, even in another room,
    I'll
    > know. Just curious if this happens to anyone else.

    Yes, I can actually hear the sound of a TV screen. It is a very
    high-pitched noise, and not everyone can hear it (kids are more
    likely to be able to hear it than adults). Normally it is obscured
    by background noise, but if it is the only sound in an otherwise
    silent room, it is VERY annoying. To see if you can hear it, turn
    your TV on with the audio muted, and eliminate all other sources of
    noise. If you hear a high-pitched whine, that is the sound of the
    screen.
    -Paul

    Well, as a TV Broadcast Engineer... I can geek out here. The high pitch is
    actually the Vertical Scan Rate. It is 15,734.266 Hz in the U.S. For color
    TV's of course. What this comes from is... The more "odd" numbers (ones
    with decimal points) end up being there because they wanted to make color
    compatible with the old B&W systems.
    it used to be all rounded out with 30 interlaced frames per second (60
    fields per second, 2 fields interlaced to make one frame). To make color
    all compatible and stuff, they made it 29.94 frames per second. (Movie film
    is 24 Frames per second) Each frame is made up of 525 1/2 lines. So if the
    electron beam scans 525.5(rounded up) lines 29.94 seconds, you get
    15,734.266 Hz. And that's that high pitched noise that you hear. If you
    don't hear it... you should have worn Ear plugs at the last few DT shows you
    went to.

    As for this Mini Disc discussion I've been seeing... I did some papers on it
    when it was first introduced. It is designed to replace cassettes and
    that's it. It's not here to replace CD's, so they didn't try to make it as
    good as CD's. As for my opinion... I've only heard them a few times, and I
    think it's "good enough" I don't have golden ears, so I think it's fine!
    Sure kicks the cassette's ass!.

    CD-RW's. I really want one of these! I didn't know they were making
    regular CD-players that can read these too. But from what I read... these
    machines will make the normal CD-R's that have been around... as well as
    with the CD-RW disks, so you can use it like a Jaz drive, or just another
    hard drive (slower of course) and you can also burn those CD-R's of cool
    stuff.

    Well, that was boring, eh? sigh

    What's up with people not requesting DT anymore? the first week I had the
    CD, people called and requested stuff, now no one. I still play it, but
    damn!!! I thought people liked DT on the radio! The other station in
    town, well, the cool commercial station plays it in regular rotation! But
    they only play BMS (that I've heard). I played New Millenium 2nite.

    Back to 'Jam Skim Mode

    Matt

    P.S. to Milwaukee people... I called The Rave today, and they had what Mr.
    Portnoy confirmed... November 3rd for the DT show!

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    Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 17:38:44 +0900
    From: Paul Dyer <dyer@taunet.net.au>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Message-ID: <1335271772-109718989@smtp.taunet.net.au>

    >>Yea, John Denver was cool in his own way....I mean I'll listen to
    >>folk music any day over rap and that dance crap.........Too bad he
    >>had to die the way he did.........Dusty

    I don't know that that was a bad way for hJohn Denver to die. I mean he
    seemed to love flying didn't he? Then he ended up dying while doing
    something he loved. I'd be happy to do that...

    Anyway to any Aussie jammers....

    i live in Darwin in the NT (where the music shops suck) and i'm interested
    getting some vinyl. Any guitar based music but mostly prog through to black
    metal. Some names of stores or private sales would be great. Please email
    me direct so as not to jam the jam with my problems....

    Cheers
    Paul D.

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