YTSEJAM Digest 3108
Today's Topics:
1) Out of Office Notification
by "Out of Office Agent"<out_of_office_agent@jpmorgan.com>
2) NDTC: Tony Levin
by "Brown, Neal Patrick" <W059@ACADEMIC.TRUMAN.EDU>
3) Bafu update
by Paul Goracke <pgor@netcom.com>
4) Re: Farewell to John Denver, Trans-Siberian Orchestra
by The Phoenix <rctaylor@students.uiuc.edu>
5) SDV, television, white noise
by "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
6) This Lossy mailing list :) (NDTC, not even close)
by Jay Omega <jw@winternet.com>
7) Re: riddle (absolutely no DTC)
by Mark Jeffrey McEuen <mceuen@owlnet.rice.edu>
8) Re: SDV, television, white noise
by -@caribe.net
9) SDV, television
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
10) Re: Out of Office Notification
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
11) CNotes page dates; Superior news
by "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
12) Re: This Lossy mailing list :) (NDTC, not even close)
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
13) Re: ACoS
by Jeff Forte <araby@ibm.net>
14) SDV 3:30/Tinnitus/CD-RW
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
15) Lynx (Completely NTDC)
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
16) Music Appreciation 201
by Chris Ptacek <someone@prognosis.com>
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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 01:18:09 +0200
From: "Out of Office Agent"<out_of_office_agent@jpmorgan.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Out of Office Notification
Message-ID: <41256530.0001A96F.00@nyc_ntgw_n02.ny.jpmorgan.com>
Your email message RE: "YTSEJAM digest 3103" addressed to Hein Vandenabeele
has been successfully delivered. Hein Vandenabeele is currently out of the
office.
Message: For urgent matter, please contact Michel Genot (2248), Sophie
Crespin (2256) or Benoit Dupont (4882). I'll be back on Thursday Oct 30.
See you then.
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 18:24:32 CST
From: "Brown, Neal Patrick" <W059@ACADEMIC.TRUMAN.EDU>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: NDTC: Tony Levin
Message-ID: <13OCT97.19881823.0030.MUSIC@ACADEMIC.TRUMAN.EDU>
Eric Herrman asked about the Portnoy/Petrucci/Rudess/Levin
project...specifically, he asked about who Tony Levin is....TL is *the*
Chapman Stick player....he's the guy who popularized it,
anyway....listen to King Crimson's "Discipline" and you'll hear him all
over the place.
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 16:41:08 -0700
From: Paul Goracke <pgor@netcom.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Bafu update
Message-ID: <l03110703b0686105f633@[128.95.235.96]>
To all those wondering "where's Bafu?"--
He is currently in the process of transferring from UW to American
University in Washington, D.C. He had threatened to resub when he's
finished moving, which will most likely be mid-November-ish.
And that's the truth <phbbt..>
pg
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Paul Goracke | "To do is to be" - Aristotle
pgor@netcom.com | "To be is to do" - Plato
| "Do be do be do" - Sinatra
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 18:53:26 -0500 (CDT)
From: The Phoenix <rctaylor@students.uiuc.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Farewell to John Denver, Trans-Siberian Orchestra
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.971013185206.15949E-100000@ux7.cso.uiuc.edu>
On Mon, 13 Oct 1997, Phil Carter wrote:
>
> Okay, so just when's TSO being rereleased, then? When I heard all the fuss
> about it last year I went looking for a copy, but I could never find it
> anyplace. Would it be under the Savatage stuff, or under T for
> Trans-Siberian Orchestra, or in the Christmas music section? I'm
> confused...not that that's anything new.=20
My brother found it in the Christmas section at Best Buy last Christmas.
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 97 19:18:15 -0500
From: "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: SDV, television, white noise
Message-ID: <3442ba473453009@mhub2.tc.umn.edu>
With the talk lately of the television noise in SDV, I have a question. Can any
of you tell when a TV is on nearby? I can sense this hum, almost more of a
feeling than a sound. Friends that I've mentioned this to think I'm nuts. I can
walk into a place, and if there's a tv on nearby, even in another room, I'll
know. Just curious if this happens to anyone else.
-Brian
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 19:30:39 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jay Omega <jw@winternet.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: This Lossy mailing list :) (NDTC, not even close)
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.971013190810.8483B-100000@tundra.winternet.com>
On Mon, 13 Oct 1997, Pat Sullivan wrote:
> Someone else asked:
> >First of all, what is lossy compresion? I thought people were just
> >misspelling "lousy" : )
>
> Losyy compression is what is used in (some) graphics/sound files (JPEG,
> MPEG, etc). Algorithms are used that can attain much higher compression
> ratios, but single-bit errors can creep into the files. In other words, if
> the file was compressed and then uncompressed, the resulting file would not
> neccessarily be the same as the original. These single-bit errors are
> usually not noticable when the files are viewed/listened to, and you can
> get 10x or better compression than with lossless methods.
Close, but the errors are not necessarily single-bit. You can make a jpeg
by keeping only the lowest-order DCT coefficient, which will give you a
piece of modern art, as you wind up with a 'chessboard effect' of 8x8
or 16x16 colored blocks. Of course, those of us who learned to program
on Apple ]['s (I know, I'm a youngster) find that rather nostalgia-
inducing. :-)
But otherwise, you're right. Lossy compression involves doing some wierd
math to an image/animation/sound, throwing out data that doesn't mean as
much as what's left, and undoing the weird math. Jpegs, and the image
part of mpegs, use a Discrete Cosine Transform; I don't know what audio
uses.
And, to whoever thought we were spelling 'lousy' wrong, the term _is_
'lossy compression,' as in 'compression which has loss.' Never doubt
the engineering geeks. :-)
And further, whoever thought equalization could fix the loss is also
incorrect. Equalization _can_ make it sound better to you, but lost
information is lost. The loss is not (usually) simply cutting off
the low-order bit of a word, or clipping high frequencies. There's
some math that _I_ don't fully understand involved. Equalizing
can't fix it, unfortunately. (Unless you have a Turing EQ.)
--Jay "took image processing in college... can you tell?" Omega
--NP: FII
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 19:53:27 -0500 (CDT)
From: Mark Jeffrey McEuen <mceuen@owlnet.rice.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: riddle (absolutely no DTC)
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.971013194335.15226A-100000@short-eared.owlnet.rice.edu>
> Can anyone help me with this riddle? I heard it over a year ago and still
> can't figure it out. The riddle goes: "There are three words that end in
> -gry . . . angry, hungry, and what? It is a word that you use almost
> everyday." Another version I have heard is that "if you have listened
> closely to what I have said, then you already heard the answer." Does
> anybody know what the answer to this stupid riddle is, or is it wrong.
Actually, the riddle is wrong. There isn't any such word. The original
riddle (which is designed to be spoken, not typed) is something like this:
There are three common words in the English language ending with g or y
that you probably say every day. One of them is "angry" and the second
one is "hungry". I won't say what the third one is, but if you've been
listening carefully, you should have heard me say it three times already.
What is it?
Of course, the phrase "g or y" can easily be misheard as "gry", and the
example words are there just to reinforce this false impression. The
correct answer to the puzzle is "say".
Enough wasted bandwidth....
Mark McEuen
mceuen@owlnet.rice.edu
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 20:58:29 -0400
From: -@caribe.net
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: SDV, television, white noise
Message-ID: <3442C3B5.42E7@caribe.net>
Brian Hayden wrote:
>
> With the talk lately of the television noise in SDV, I have a question. Can any
> of you tell when a TV is on nearby? I can sense this hum, almost more of a
> feeling than a sound. Friends that I've mentioned this to think I'm nuts. I can
> walk into a place, and if there's a tv on nearby, even in another room, I'll
> know. Just curious if this happens to anyone else.
>
> -Brian
Um..doesnt everyone hear this? I can tell easily... same when you get on
a car that has everything closed out.. you can *hear* silence..like a
shirpy noisy kinda shit thats really annonying
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 23:14:09 -0200 (EDT)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: SDV, television
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.971013230641.3669C-100000@hoare.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Mon, 13 Oct 1997, Brian Hayden wrote:
> With the talk lately of the television noise in SDV, I have a question. Can any
> of you tell when a TV is on nearby? I can sense this hum, almost more of a
> feeling than a sound. Friends that I've mentioned this to think I'm nuts. I can
> walk into a place, and if there's a tv on nearby, even in another room, I'll
> know. Just curious if this happens to anyone else.
Well, I never thought that people actually paid such a huge
attention to such silly remarks in my messages :-) (the other one that I
started and that occupied our bandwidth was before FII was released and I
posted to the 'jam that the "Images and Words" album sounded like the band
had their presence on the album all equally divided, to which Clark Able
replied and generated a long thread). :-) Therefore, I think that I'll
write things more carefully. :-) I didn't realize that you all wanted to
know about this SDV television sound (the piece of TV emitting this sound
is called fly-back, which generates really high tension to feed the catode
rays tube, the "TV Screen", the thing in which you see the things going
on).
Anyway, back to your question, I think that I can hear the SDV
sound and also can tell if my mom has left the TV turned on. I always have
to turn it off. :-)
> -Brian
[]s, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=------------------------------
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 23:15:52 -0200 (EDT) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Out of Office Notification Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.971013231438.3669D-100000@hoare.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Mon, 13 Oct 1997, Out of Office Agent wrote:
> Your email message RE: "YTSEJAM digest 3103" addressed to Hein Vandenabeele > has been successfully delivered. Hein Vandenabeele is currently out of the > office. > > Message: For urgent matter, please contact Michel Genot (2248), Sophie > Crespin (2256) or Benoit Dupont (4882). I'll be back on Thursday Oct 30. > See you then.
Wow! And we will be receiving one of these for each digest until Oct 30???
[]s, Roger... -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 18:15:43 -0700 (PDT) From: "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: CNotes page dates; Superior news Message-ID: <199710140115.AA00743@crl8.crl.com>
I can confirm that the Atlanta, GA date listed as Dec. 2nd on the Cnotes page is almost certainly bollocks. My friend Tim, who knows most of the personnel at the listed venue (The Masquerade), checked with the venue manager, assistant manager and booking agent and none of them knew anything about a Dream Theater date being booked there.
I can only assume the remainder of the Southeastern dates posted (Fla. and S.C.) are also crap, especially in view of Mike Portnoy's indication (thanks Chris M.!) that they'll be doing that European mini-tour in early December instead.
I guess we'll have to wait a little longer down here. :(
+--------------+
After emailing HardRadio and getting an immediate and positive response back from president Tracy Barnes, a copy of the Superior CD "behind" has been dispatched to HardRadio. I'm hoping they'll play and announce Superior on their (excellent) RealAudio feed. Listen out for them and tell your friends; if you hear Superior played on HardRadio please let me know. I can't listen to HardRadio too often with my 'puter setup. :) They should be getting the CD any day now via Priority Mail. www.hardradio.com. (They play DT, too. :))
+--------------+
I've been getting the DT version of "Damage Inc." played some on WREK-FM here in Atlanta during the WREKage show (hard stuff, Obituary, Slayer, etc.) -- and it's been requested fairly often, pretty much every week. (Also snuck in some Superior, and want to float "JLMB" this coming Friday night... :)) This past weekend I was at a large caving convention/outdoor encampment in Alabama.....which had its own low-power radio station. I brought by FII and had the guy play "Peruvian Skies" -- he really liked it and so did a few other people, so I left the CD with him to play some more later. He apparently played "Hell's Kitchen" and "LitS" per my suggestion a bit later. This might be the most unusual radio airplay note for DT this week. :)
-- +-- ...once the cloud that's raining ---+- Paul W. Cashman ---+ | over your head / disappears | vanyel@crl.com | | the noise that you hear | www.crl.com/~vanyel | +--is the crashing down of Hollow Years.... <-+--< Dream Theater -----+
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 23:27:15 -0200 (EDT) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: This Lossy mailing list :) (NDTC, not even close) Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.971013231752.3669E-100000@hoare.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Mon, 13 Oct 1997, Jay Omega wrote:
> And further, whoever thought equalization could fix the loss is also > incorrect. Equalization _can_ make it sound better to you, but lost > information is lost. The loss is not (usually) simply cutting off > the low-order bit of a word, or clipping high frequencies. There's > some math that _I_ don't fully understand involved. Equalizing > can't fix it, unfortunately. (Unless you have a Turing EQ.)
I think that it was me that mentioned equalization to "correct" the sound. In fact, I wasn't saying that you could restore the sound/information that has been lossy compressed, but I was saying that during the process of compression, you can insert some noise (higher frequency noises are commonly included etc). I don't know what the algorithms do also, but a shoot would be to clip the higher order terms of the Fourier Series that represent the sound wave.
BTW, I don't know what a Turing EQ is, unfortunately.
> --Jay "took image processing in college... can you tell?" Omega
One of the things that I find most interesting about this list is that the public is very heterogeneous (consisting of people dealing with arts, exact sciences, biological sciences etc) and, then, everyone brings their knowledge here to share with others, making this a better place to be. I must say that the best times that I spent during the last months was reading the 'jams. At least one has to have good things in life to compensate the bad things (my girlfriend said that she is not interested in me anymore). :-(
[]s, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 21:29:48 -0400 From: Jeff Forte <araby@ibm.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: ACoS Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19971013212948.006ac98c@pop01.ny.us.ibm.net>
>Just a question: > > How come Kevin did not play in ACoS?? > >*************************************************** >* Pedro Ordonez * >* Guatemala * >* email: pedrord@quik.guate.com * >*************************************************** >
Uh Oh.
/me grabs D-Man and tapes him to the chair. ;-)
Jeff
aka Chambers
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 23:48:15 -0200 (EDT) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: SDV 3:30/Tinnitus/CD-RW Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.971013233755.3669G-100000@hoare.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Mon, 13 Oct 1997, Shai Yallin wrote:
> Oh... That sound.... I have a story about that sound..... > > My first copy of Awake was on a cassete. The recording was very lame and > it had almost no treble.... and then when I got the disc I notice a very > load hi-freq sound... obviously I went back to the store and demanded > the replacement of my scratched CD...
Wow... :-)
> By the way, the sound is only in the right channel, so Rogerio, maybe > you wore the headphones inversed....
Well, in fact, I heard this sound thru my stereo, not thru headphones (I usually don't hear to Awake -- too heavy for me) and the process I used to hear this sound was to approach the right channel (without know that the sound were only on the right channel, it was pure luck) of the stereo with my left ear and then with my right ear. My left ear could hear it, but the right ear could not. :-( And I don't even listen to music with high volumes...
BTW, I think that everyone should care for their ears and read the Tinnitus FAQ. Tinnitus is a ear disease whose diagnostic is a high pitched sound being heard when there is no sound. One of its causes is the exposure to loud sounds. Everyone here that is into metal should read this FAQ. I don't have the URL here, but I can send it to the 'jam if desired.
> BTW: Whats a CD-RW?
A CD-RW is a Compact Disc ReWritable. It is basically a CD that can be re-recorded about 1000 times. The newer Sony CD players (for home, not for computers) are all equiped with lasers that can read such CDs (I don't know if only the ES series have this or not, tough). I don't know about other brands and I'd like to be informed if you know.
Hope this helps, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 23:53:47 -0200 (EDT) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Lynx (Completely NTDC) Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.971013235107.3669H-100000@hoare.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Mon, 13 Oct 1997, john jens wrote:
Ok.
I promise that this one will be the last message I'm sending to the 'jam today. You must be tired of seeing Rogerio Brito on the From: field... I know
> anyone get these realaudio files to work? atlantic's site isnt lynx (the > best webbrowser ever) friendly.
But I just had to support the assertion that Lynx is the best browser ever (although Marcelo doesn't agree with me here :-) ).
I hate when I have to read a page that has frames and doesn't give you the opportunity to see it without frames.
[]s, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 21:05:48 -0500 From: Chris Ptacek <someone@prognosis.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Music Appreciation 201 Message-ID: <2.2.32.19971014020548.00cee850@pop.enteract.com>
This discussion ties in with another phenomenon we've discussed here on the Ytsejam. Once in a while, I'll go purchase a cd without hearing it first, and by the time I get home, I'll be ready to file it away as a pretty dull disc (I never sell my cds... I either put em away for a rainy day, or give them to someone who cares). One such incident happened several years ago, when I bought Michael Hedges _Aerial Boundaries_... a new age guitar masterpiece, and technically some of the most demanding acoustic guitar playing the world has ever seen. When I bought it, though, it sucked. It didn't stick with me, and it didn't speak to me. About a year later, I put it in the player while reading a book. I always prefer to read while listening to instrumental music. It's cool to develop a soundtrack for the action you create in your mind. By the time I finished the album all the way through, I realized that I hadn't read more than 20 pages... the album had come alive for me and the book ceased to exist. This very same thing also happened with Images and Words. I didn't care for it at all when I first heard it. Then I saw PMU on MTV, and I went back and immediately loved the album. When looking for similarities between the two albums, the only ones I can really come up with is that both albums exhibit a great deal of technique, and a great deal of complexity in the themes. This may turn some people off to the music (particularly the latter) because it can make the songs hard to grasp... if you're unfamiliar with the style of music, it may be a very abnormal sound, and you might not be drawn to it. In contrast, much of today's more popular music is very basic in construction and instrumentation, and therefore, readily digested. In light of this discovery, there might be something to the thought that people can't appreciate all music equally, regardless of the genre. Now I've found folk, classical, metal, prog, ambient/trance, and even country music that I can appreciate as much as I appreciate DT in one way or another (No, I have not yet found a country song with vocals that I appreciate at all). In all of these cases, I have reached a point that we've feebly attempted to describe... I've often referred to it as "It takes me away... the music draws me so deeply into itself that it influences my mood, and the course of my thoughts (to a more peaceful, less stressed path." I've not yet found music that can seriously create a negative effect of this sort, though there's a Green Day joke to be made there somewhere). Often my thoughts go back to a book I was reading when I got entranced by such music. One case in point is Marty Friedman's _Dragon's Kiss_, which always draws me back to the evils in H.P. Lovecraft's _The Case of Charles Dexter Ward_... but even this darker music, and the darker imagery it brings forward, are only helpful. They're like a manifestation of creativity, that was drawn from me by the combination of book and music. Perhaps it's partially that it takes a certain level of complexity, or intricacy to a piece of music for it to have such an effect on its listener. What we can generally say is that most Rap music does not have many layers, many themes, and much to think about. There's usually the foreground and the background, with an occasional appearance of a middle ground. It wouldn't require instrumentation by people like Hedges or Petrucci (though that might save the genre for me) but merely more well thought out MUSIC behind the words. If there was a concentration on what sounds to use with the a goal in mind, the music could transcend the lyrics and the beats. With a more complex method, and a more intricate development of the theme, perhaps Rap could generate the same emotional response. I assure you, though, that it will require an open minded listener to find out. I think most of us are pretty heavily biased towards a particular set of genres. Generally, it will be difficult to articulate what you're experiencing with your music to a fan of simpler music, and of course, like someone said previously, the listener you try to share Dream Theater with may simply not be interested, no matter what his or her gain may be. Myself, I don't like to get so cerebral about music, and introducing others to music. I just try to make people listen to things they don't already have, rather than only listening to things they're familiar with. If I sense that someone's gonna have a chance at getting into DT, I will blast them across the room with some tunes, but that's pretty rare. I would always prefer just to talk music with someone whose tastes in music are already similar to mine anyways, than put in the work to make Pearl Jam Fan X like Fates Warning or Dream Theater.
Wow... that's pretty long too. I hope no one's annoyed! Thanks for reading this far!
- CWP
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