YTSEJAM Digest 3104
Today's Topics:
1) Satu Reunanen
by Paul Dyer <dyer@taunet.net.au>
2) Re: minidisk
by Chris Livingstone <chris.livingstone@wolfson.co.uk>
3) NDTC: Crimsonian remasters
by "Brown, Neal Patrick" <W059@ACADEMIC.TRUMAN.EDU>
4) Musings
by "Neil Gallop" <nga@software-ag.de>
5) Eastern Promise....
by djw_at_neon@smtpgate.walker.com
6) minidiscs
by Mike Bahr <durnik@goodnet.com>
7) Re: MiniDiscs, CD Burner, AAAAAHHHHH! =)
by "Lauren Glenn" <LGlenn73@erols.com>
8) Clarke Abel and his theories
by Luke <slslb@winshop.com.au>
9) Re: Music Appreciation 102
by Jan Ziese <jzi@star-ag.ch>
10) Musical tastes again
by "Barbara Schnepf" <schnepf@bmzfca.de>
11) Ponderings...
by Paul Dyer <dyer@taunet.net.au>
12) At Fates Hands...interpretation?
by Luke <slslb@winshop.com.au>
13) Re:Life passions beyond DT and music
by Satu Reunanen <satu.reunanen@sci.fi>
14) High frequencies on SDV
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
15) Re: In defense of the Mini Disc :)
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 17:30:09 +0900
From: Paul Dyer <dyer@taunet.net.au>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Satu Reunanen
Message-ID: <1335358687-104492250@smtp.taunet.net.au>
I was in Helsinki about two months ago. I was really hoping to see Amorphis
(who I must say are awesome!), Stratovarius or even Sentenced play live but
I just missed out. They played at a festival a few weeks before I got
there. I travelled through the entire of Scandinavia & the UK without
seeing one band. what a let down. Although the trip was excellent...
What you said about hearing an album first and liking it the best. I have
to agree with you there. I don't know why that is... I don't know about
those that heard "When Dream & Day Unite" though. Maybe they do??
Here in Australia we don't get many bands like these. I saw Cathedral &
Paradise Lost. That was pretty good. I really hope DT come soon.
Cheers,
Paul D
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 09:13:44 +0100
From: Chris Livingstone <chris.livingstone@wolfson.co.uk>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: minidisk
Message-ID: <3441D837.62EF085C@wolfson.co.uk>
> > Well I've now got my regular one-disc copy, so the question is, if I find a
> > Japanese copy do I fork out for that too? Or do I rely on some kind jammer to
> > post MP3s of the bonus tracks on the web so I can download them to mini-disc?
> > Hmmmm...decisions...
> > PS..now playing: The Yes Medley from Uncovered (downloaded off the web...I'm
> > recording it on mini-disc as I type. Oh the joys of Win 95...)
>
> Whoo hoo! Another MiniDisc owner it's hard to find another person
> with a MiniDisc player! Can you e-mail me a list of good downloads
> for DT so I can record to MD as well? I LOVE my MD Player! :)
I also own a minidisc , and have recorded the whole fii album from downloaded mp3
files (I will still buy the album of course when it eventually gets released in the UK).
I got these files from http://citadel.elender.hu/pod/rare.html, this site also has whole
concerts in mp3 and are pretty good quality. One question though , How do you record your mp3's ? I normally just connect the line out from my sound card to the
line in on the minidisc and record "analougly" , but I've heard that there is a card
with a optical line out which can record digitally which would be ideal for recording
to minidisc from a pc.
Cheers
Chris L
Edinburgh
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 03:31:19 CST
From: "Brown, Neal Patrick" <W059@ACADEMIC.TRUMAN.EDU>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: NDTC: Crimsonian remasters
Message-ID: <13OCT97.03803749.0052.MUSIC@ACADEMIC.TRUMAN.EDU>
Lobsterback asked about the KC back catalog being re-re-mastered...this
is indeed going to happen, and I'm mildly annoyed, since I have 9 of 11
KC studio albums and a 4CD boxed set....folks, I've only been listening
to the Red Monarch for, oh, say, eight months...these guys are fucking
awesome!! </sycophant mode> Seriously, Fripp has decided the tech has
moved far enough along that he'll redo them all. I don't think I'll buy
any of the ones that I have over--except for maybe In The Court, just
cuz it's a classic, and apparently really sounds piss-poor compared to
the original vinyl. (There are many, many people on the KC mailing list
who have mucho KC vinyl. This impresses me, child of the digital age
that I am. =P )
Also: Let me drop in my .02 again about this music appreciation
thread...think of DT as John Keats or Edgar Allan Poe....very lush, very
weird, very complicated, not necessarily obvious. Think of pop stuff as
Ernest Hemingway....very obvious, very simplistic....the emotions you
can get from them are the same, of course (because they're the same
emotions) but you get them in different ways. Personally, I get really b
ored with the simplistic way, if only because I've the damned
three-chord progression ten ba-fuckin-zillion times before, whether it
be subconciously in a used-car commercial or at a dance or something.
Some really nutty progression sounds good to me because I haven't heard
it before. Uniqueness and originality get you a long way in music.
Unfortunately, very few pop bands can achieve that, IMHO.
One more thing: if you happen to be someone who doesn't understand why
people analyze music, do us a favor and skip the bloody post. I love
that kind of stuff. I really don't understand why some people think it's
anal. I mean, shit, if I want to know what the hell kinda time signature
the verses to "The Ones Who Help To Set The Sun" are in, isn't that my
business anyway? (I'm not being pissy btw...one of the limitations of co
mputers is that you can't accurately convey tone of voice!) And no, if
you don't want to "investigate" music that is as complicated as OFB's
tends to be, it's not as if you're not a true fan or some BS like that.
You're understanding it less on the mental level and more on the
emotional level. That's fine. Maybe if you do analyze it, it does lose
some of that "magic." I know I have an overdeveloped sense of curiosity,
and when I *don't* analyze the music from a theoretical standpoint, I
find I don't enjoy it as much on the emotional level. In other words,
it's all a matter of personal preference...the more a piece of music
makes me think while at the same time making me feel a certain powerful
emotion the better. Making you think is hard to do, which is why I don't
listen to Nirvana. =P (No offense to Nirvana fans.) Making you feel is
easier, but getting both at the same time is Herculanean....which is why
I love DT!!
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 09:35:58 +0100
From: "Neil Gallop" <nga@software-ag.de>
To: "The Ytsejam Crowd" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Musings
Message-ID: <9710130835.AA10870@server3.software-ag.de>
Hi all
The Tiamat/The Gathering gig last Monday was amazing. A full
review will follow later once I've killed a few developers here who
are currently fucking up my life completely.
I think the top slot in my 'album of the year" list has now been taken -
"The Book Of Secrets" by Loreena McKennitt. Once again, a full
review will follow soon (I know there are other fans out there).
I get the feeling that some people on this list are incapable of simply
enjoying something, without having to analyze it down to the last detail.
Reminds me in in some ways of wine snobs - these
people give me the impression that wine is something to be
traded and talked about rather than enjoyed for it's own sake.
I can almost imagine some of you having your first sexual
experience - "what was the significance of that change of tempo
around 2 minutes 20? Who was that screaming at 5 minutes 15?
Is this position true prog? Do those squelchy noises add or
detract to the overall effect of the shag? Is that big pink thing the
cover of the new Dream Theater album or a stiffy?"
Currently boiling a lobster called Happy...
stay safe and happy listening
Neil Gallop (nga@software-ag.de)
(http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Rapids/2321)
Currently playing: Dream Theater - Awake
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 97 08:59:30 -0800
From: djw_at_neon@smtpgate.walker.com
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Eastern Promise....
Message-ID: <9710138767.AA876733138@smtpgate.walker.com>
Hi,
Dom'ny mentioned the Eastern/Egyptian overtones on FII. I haven't
heard it so I can't say but these sounds are definitely there on
"Cover My Eyes" (Fucking great track by the way!) and on YNM - the
ascending keyboards over that monster riff after the chorus. I guess
this is Led Zep/Deep Purple influences coming through.
These Eastern sounds appear a lot on the sort of hard rock that I
like so I guess I'll be happy when I get FII!!
Oh I must mention that my son (2.5 yrs) was sat playing lego
yesterday and he was saying "Pull me under Pull me under - not afraid"
I'm so proud <sniff>
Dave (a UK Jammer).
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 02:34:43 -0700
From: Mike Bahr <durnik@goodnet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: minidiscs
Message-ID: <3441EB33.50AA@goodnet.com>
The Minidisc compression _is_ lossy, but from the listener's standpoint
the difference is like MP3 to WAV... which is to say, it's pretty damned
narrow. Now when I work with digital data to create CDs, I am _shown_
the data, including frequency range, amplitude, compression, and so
forth. So I can tell minidisc in a moment because I've not only _heard_
it, I've _seen_ it. But I'll say in an instant that I would very much
like to see MD replace cassettes as a recordable format. Recording on
them is easy, their sound is so superior to cassettes... indeed it's a
hair's-breadth shy of CD most of the time, and they can be re-written
regardless of previous tracks or all sorts of related factors. If all
music was at minidisc quality level, we wouldn't feel like we were
missing out on digital clarity.
-- -Mike Bahr/Prism Records -durnik_@_goodnet.com -http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik/------------------------------
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 06:53:16 -0400 From: "Lauren Glenn" <LGlenn73@erols.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: MiniDiscs, CD Burner, AAAAAHHHHH! =) Message-ID: <01bcd7c6$361e8ec0$02bfaccf@laurengl>
>> :-) BTW, I just bought a CD-RW burner and finished installing it. :-) Life >> will be better now, with more bootlegs. :-) But I still have to test if >> CD-RW's can be played on my stereo. > > Hey, it's nice to hear that... :) > Is tomorrow OK for a quick visit to your house??? :) > Don't worry about CD-R's and you player, mine is the same and my CD-R's >run without problem (before you ask, it has not arrived from the tech >yet :) ). >
CD-R's aren't the same as CD-RW's. From what I've heard about CD-RW's (which isn't too much), is that they won't work in most players except for the CD-RW's. It's not the fault of the discs, just the players. In time, newer players will probably be designed to play them.
Lauren
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 21:11:21 +1000 From: Luke <slslb@winshop.com.au> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Clarke Abel and his theories Message-ID: <344201D9.400B@winshop.com.au>
>I think that people who listen to rap listen to it for an entirely >different reason than I listen to music... It's like the term "music" >doesn't even apply the same way.
This *IS* true. I've been following this discussion quite closely, and I believe that Clarke definately has the upper hand.
I used to be a fan of Cypress Hill and House of Pain and other rap bands. To me, this was desirable, yet meaningful music, because they sung about real issues about growing up in "'da hood" and all that. (I'm not black either). Bands like Metallica seemed to me to be total over-the-top stupidity and all the complex guitar solos were just a total wank.
I disliked DT when I first *heard* them because the first hint of flashy guitaring, the metal sound and the notion of an actual human playing an acoustic drum kit who did more than just play a 4/4 beat thoughout the entire song, made me cringe and think, "oh, theses guys are just Metallica clones, ie. wank, wank and carry on."
One day however, I actually *listened* to DT and, out of nowhere, began to find them strangely and unexplainably intriguing (more than I ever did with Cypress Hill). I found myself listening intently to songs like Scarred and Erotomania, following closely the time sig. changes and then suddenly though, "Shit !?, this is awesome !".
After borrowing Awake for a couple of days of a friend, DT had managed to spark a deep, emotional uprising within me that inspired a fresh, new perspective on music. Until then, I never thought such a state of mind could be created via music, solely because of my previous music tastes. I abandoned all my old music within a week of listening to AWAKE and now, listening to Cypress Hill after experiencing the grandeur of Awake is like going to the YMCA after staying at a five star hotel.
>I'm just looking for a rap fan who can really articulate that he's >thought about the music at all... that he really gets anything out of >it beyond a "beat" and the subject of the lyrics. And I haven't found >one yet.
And you probably won't find one. People who listen to rap, *don't* experience the sort of feelings that DT can offer because of one reason; they *can't*. That unexplainable "abstract musical language" that you refer just doesn't exist in rap music.
I'm sorry if I don't make my argument quite as long and as a diplomaticly presented (with a vocabulary to boot) as Clarke has done, but from I'm just calling it as I see it because I've seen both sides.
Luke.
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 97 13:36:49 +0100 From: Jan Ziese <jzi@star-ag.ch> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Music Appreciation 102 Message-ID: <9710131236.AA05923@star2.star-ag.ch>
At 07:18 11.10.97 -0700, you wrote: > >>But on the other hand, do you think the average country >> fan really does get as much out of that music as some of us do out of DT?= =20 > >Let me put this question into another scenario and see if you still agree >with it. We have two people, a computer programmer and a truck driver. Do >you think the truck driver can enjoy his work as much as the programmer= can?
YES. I am absolutely sure. I am a computer progammer. Rather go and drive a truck now and then.
But seriously. People are different. Somebody on this list said that some people can relate to a painting as much as we can relate to DT music. I think that's a great thought, because it helps you to understand why somebody could ever like Techno music. It's almost as different from DT as is a painting. That's why those people can't relate to DT. It's just another world. Some people just listen to music as a background noise? That's great. So do I sometimes. Some people don't have an idea of musical theory? So do I and I realy don't care. People beg for mercy whenever I touch an instrument. Still, I love Dream Theater (and Rush and Savatage and Queensr=FFche. The= list goes on and on.). I don't like Rap, Techno, Jazz, not even classical music. Who cares. It's just my taste. I start crying when I listen to Savatage's 'Alone You Breathe'. Someone else might feel the same deep emotion when listening to Mozart or Coolio's 'Gangsta's Paradise'. Someone else might feel it when looking to a painting or architecture or photographies... That's OK by me. Wouldn't it be boring if it wasn't for the variety?
We love DT. That's why we're in here and that's all that counts. Let the others do whatever they want. Open-mindness doesn't mean to like everything, it means to accept what other people do as long as it doesn't harm you.
Hey, and yes, I do like Alanis Morissette. ;-) Jan =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D Jan Ziese =3D +49 (0) 7738 / 99 858 =3D jzi@star-ag.ch = =3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D Don't have a truck driving license, so I'm stuck with this: =3D =20 =3D if(m_trFiles !=3D NULL) { =3D int iNewX =3D cx - m_iSubTreeX; =3D if(iNewX < m_iMinTreeX) iNewX =3D m_iMinTreeX; =3D int iNewY =3D cy - 33; =3D if(iNewY < m_iMinTreeY) iNewY =3D m_iMinTreeY; =3D m_trFiles.SetWindowPos(NULL, 0, 0, iNewX, iNewY, =3D SWP_NOMOVE | SWP_NOOWNERZORDER | SWP_NOZORDER); =3D iNewX =3D cx - m_iSubRootX; =3D if(iNewX < m_iMinRootX) iNewX =3D m_iMinRootX; =3D =20 =3D RECT TmpRect; =3D ... =3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 13:01:33 +0100 From: "Barbara Schnepf" <schnepf@bmzfca.de> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Musical tastes again Message-ID: <97Oct13.130905gmt+0100.17921-1@gateway.bmzfca.de>
Antwort an: Musical tastes again
Clark wrote: >>>And maybe some people will think I'm crazy, but when I REALLY listen to music, I absolutely feel like I'm a part of it, and that I'm somehow inside of it. It takes on a reality of its own, and becomes something more real than just catchy sounds. I can't explain it any better than that.<<<<
This is one of the best descriptions of what music is able to do that I ever heard. I do know exactly what you mean because I feel the same, and if this makes us both considered as crazy, so what the hell... To me music is one of the shortcuts to your very self deep down inside of you - a destination many (most?) people don't even bother looking for. Your post about this musical-tastes-thread was one of the best I've been reading so far. We are not at all different in our point of view, it's just that your post was illustrating another point. All I wanted to say in my post a while ago was: Be careful what you say about other people's musical taste, you might deeply hurt them. And I do know how deep it can hurt - I almost stopped discussing music with anybody anyway, because in 99 cases out of 100 no-one doesn't even know what I'm talking about. Like you wrote, >>>>At this point, based on the look on her face, I decided to leave out the part about how when he hits those same certain notes, it seems to me that my whole being *is* that note. Needless to say, she thought I was crazy.<<<< And needless to say how much this realization of being all alone can hurt. In such occasions I feel like a monk who's temple is being intruded by a bunch of tourists, making fotographs, trying to discuss things they know nothing about, and destroying all that is holy for me (and to me my music IS holy). They don't understand and NEVER will... This is why I gave up discussing my music with owners of different musical tastes long ago. I just shrug my shoulders and stay silent, and I never try to defend, leave alone try to get someone into my music, because when I really care about this person it only hurts to find he/she just doesn't understand what I'm talking about. So he/she doesn't understand my deepest self, my deepest thoughts - what a great basis for a friendship, uh? Due to this experiences I don't critisize the musical tastes of other people, because no matter how low the chance may be, I do not want to run the risk of hurting someone as much as I can be hurt when my music is concerned. Anyway, thanx for your post, Clark. Feels indescribably good to read that someone actually FEELS music the way I do. So I'm not alone - not so long ago I used to think I was. Barbara
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 21:49:38 +0900 From: Paul Dyer <dyer@taunet.net.au> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Ponderings... Message-ID: <1335343118-105428614@smtp.taunet.net.au>
As I've read through these posts something has dawned on me....
DT appeals to such a wide range of people. I read about people who listen to such different styles of music but all listen to DT. I grant that most of you are prog guys but people talk about anything from Nirvana to Ozric Tentacles (?). All the band members are so professional and excellent at their chosen forte and they can still get through all the red tape & label bullshit to produce great records. Personally I listen to anything ranging from Soundgarden to Mayhem. I enjoy all forms of heavy music (except that ridiculous Korn/Phunk Junkies half techno crap!) from Prog metal to Black Metal. Most people I know, however listen to a much smaller range in whatever genre they like. They tend to look down on me because I don't listen to Sepultura & Pantera 24 Hours a day. How can I when there's so many other great bands to listen to??? All I can say is that DT have to be one of the most influential bands of the last decade and with a great release like FII they appear to be going on strong to the next.
One thing that pisses me off though - my sister constantly listening to fucking self important self absorbed Oasis. I'm gonna choke that whiny Gallagher character if I ever see him.
Cheers
Paul
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 22:16:33 +1000 From: Luke <slslb@winshop.com.au> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: At Fates Hands...interpretation? Message-ID: <34421121.523F@winshop.com.au>
I'm not sure if this topic would have been discussed yet on the jam, but anyway, I was listening to AFH's by FW the other day and even though I've listened to it several times previously, one particular verse in the song stood out significantly to me.
When Alder sings...
"Trapped by the Tempest of the blind, our muted calls can't be heard..."
.. it seems like he is summing up the frustration that FW and most other prog. bands would be experiencing or would have experienced in their careers. It's obvious that even though DT doesn't get near enough exposure, FW gets even less.
Even if the lyrics are supposed to relate to something completely different, I interpret these lyrics as;
"Trapped by the tempest of the blind,"
The 'blind' refering to all the grunge, rap, R&B etc.. fans out there, and the tempest (which means a voilent, turbulent storm for those who didn't know) symbolises the massive flurry of commercialisation and media hype associated with these eMpTyV bands.
"Our muted calls can't be heard..."
'Muted calls' signifies the lack of attention given to more thoughtful, unique and creative bands like FW because of the "tempest of the blind,"
So the way I see these lyrics is;
"Trapped by the frenzied media-hype of eMpTyV bands, Our unattended music goes unheard..."
Amazingly short, yet incredibly to the point I believe (I even made it my signature). If anyone knows what these lyrics actually refer to, then I'd like to know.
Also, what's the going opinion on Divine Wings Of Tradgedy by Symphony X? I've downloaded soundclips from Dr.Mosh and HeadyMetal and from what I've heard it sounds pretty good.
Luke. -- ---------------------------------------------- [ "Trapped by the Tempest of the blind ] [ Our muted calls can't be heard..." ] [ ] [ Fates Warning. ] ----------------------------------------------
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 15:37:22 +0200 From: Satu Reunanen <satu.reunanen@sci.fi> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re:Life passions beyond DT and music Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19971013133722.00675698@mbox.sci.fi>
ing to me. I'm just curious, what are our life passions beyond >DT and music?? Does this interest anyone else?? Okay, so its NDTC, but >it beats endless flame wars and if the jam is "one big happy family,"
I think this was interesting. I would also like to know what you find interesting other than music and DT ! Me, I just love animals. If I could, I'd be doing something very important out there for their well-being. They can't speak for themselves, so we must do that. Anyway, I'd have a zoo in my house if I had the kind of money to take all the abandoned animals there.. Keeping this short now.. Satu
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 11:04:43 -0200 (EDT) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: High frequencies on SDV Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.971013110129.969A-100000@hoare.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Sun, 12 Oct 1997, Dr. Mosh wrote:
> Actually in double blind tests, some people can tell the difference between > lossy compression and non-lossy due to tinning in the hi frequencies. Most > people can't hear past 15khz anyways...
Well, I can hear the fly back sound on Space Dye-Vest. I think that its frequence is higher than 15kHz, isn't it (you know, it starts at about 3:30)? BTW, I can't hear it with my right ear. Only with the left. :-)
[]s, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 11:19:43 -0200 (EDT) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: In defense of the Mini Disc :) Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.971013111003.969C-100000@hoare.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Sun, 12 Oct 1997, Christopher Ptacek wrote:
> > component of the disc itself is sensible to heat, though), and, let's > > say, if you forget one of your minidiscs in your car on one of those > > really hot days, your recordings are gone. :) > > Hehehe okay... name me ONE media that doesn't get fucked when you > leave it in a car on a hot day. Your records, tapes, cds (Especially cd > cases! They turn into weird surreal sculptures!), DATs, disks, zip and ========================
Wow... An I thought that we had a hot weather here in Brazil... :-) Anyway, I have, unfortunately, forgot some analog tapes in my car on those hot days and, although they were not completely fucked, they've lost a lot of higher frequencies.
> > Actually in double blind tests, some people can tell the difference between > > lossy compression and non-lossy due to tinning in the hi frequencies. Most > > people can't hear past 15khz anyways... > > I've never heard of anyone being able to hear the difference. I > can hear into really high frequencies, and I can't. I guess SOMEONE's got > to be able to, but chances are, you're not going to be that person. > ESPECIALLY if you're not using flat response headphones or flat response > monitor speakers. The brand and model of your MiniDisc player, receiver, > headphones, speakers, and even speaker wire are going to make a MUCH > bigger difference in the overall sound.
Unfortunately, I don't have MD, but I'll try to CDDA some songs from CDs that I have and compare them to a MP3 compressed version. But I confess that you can "mask" the effects (if they are not very severe) with a good equalization.
> > The only problem I see with minidiscs is that it is not full PCM 44.1khz so > > you can't press directly to CD. > > What it IS is a way to get re-recordable cd quality that you can > use instead of a shitty walkman, so you can hear a bunch of your favorite > tunes without bringing all your cds with you. I think it'd be reasonably > useful as a bootlegging tool too, but there's no advantage I can think of > that it has over the DAT in that respect.
Well, I have one question here: you mentioned it as a bootlegging too. But when you refer to it, you are thinking about the first person recording the show or about the successive replications? I'd like to know if there is something similar to DAT cloning...
[]s, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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