YTSEJAM Digest 3117
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Mike "Pandora" Bahr's post
by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
2) DT on the Radio
by JB <beamup@vt.edu>
3) Others interest in FII
by Scott Fuller <spacedye@yahoo.com>
4) Re: Are we allowed taping DT showS?
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
5) Stratovarius/Angra/Superior
by JB <beamup@vt.edu>
6) Roadtrip Atl -> Chicago
by "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3116
by Andrew Embler <aembler@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
8) Gentle Giant connections
by Steffen Barabasch <TheMirror@westend.com>
9) Looking back...
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
10) Re: Looking back...
by Jan Ziese <jzi@star-ag.ch>
11) DVD players can read any properly written CDR.
by Mike Bahr <durnik@goodnet.com>
12) Geddy
by Dave <buster@ee.net>
13) Re: Music Appreciation 201
by Shai Yallin <Yallin@Netvision.net.il>
14) Ovation
by Shai Yallin <Yallin@Netvision.net.il>
15) RE: stuff II
by "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.Belvoir.Army.Mil>
16) RE: oops...NDTC...
by "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.Belvoir.Army.Mil>
17) RE: Charlie Dominici / Majesty
by "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.Belvoir.Army.Mil>
18) SFK
by "kurt torster" <sfk@mailexcite.com>
19) UK release, finally!
by Graham Borland <gborland@apsoft.co.uk>
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 01:19:11 -0400
From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Mike "Pandora" Bahr's post
Message-ID: <199710150519.BAA02891@daffy.cs.wm.edu>
> P.S. I got the new Spock's Beard album today...wowie =] kicks ass....not
> at all like the new Genesis album, which featured the same drummer, but
> Banks/Rutherford didn't let him play...shoulda just used a drum machine.
Surely you mean the *newest* Spock's CD "Beware of Darkness," as opposed to
the *new* Spock's CD which is, like, still being mastered or something. Right?
-d
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 01:38:19 -0400
From: JB <beamup@vt.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT on the Radio
Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19971015013819.007a75f0@mail.vt.edu>
I just had an emotional moment....
They just (for the first time I've ever heard) played Dream Theater ON THE
AIR... (besides my show)...
WROV (96.3) in Roanoke, VA.... played BMS... (complete with the "I don't
give a shit" lyric and all!)
You must understand I never heard someone else play DT on the radio
before....even via request... (and It wasn't even my request!)... I called
up the station, to ask for it, and the DJ said, "yeah, I've got that
slotted here in the next 10 minutes... what's the deal, I've gotten about 5
requests for that in the last hour or so... they must have quite a
following...." and after the song he mentioned "the speakers in the station
get a workout every time that song comes on"...
This is too cool.... now I can go to sleep happy!
Later,
Jason
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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 22:51:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: Scott Fuller <spacedye@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Others interest in FII
Message-ID: <19971015055142.8691.rocketmail@send1b.yahoomail.com>
The other day my 11 year old sister asked me to tape a copy of FII for
her. I think that she had begun to like some of the songs while I
played the MP3's contantly before I bought the CD (which still gets
listened to a fair bit).
I found this strange seeing as though she spends most of her time
listening to Hanson and Savage Garden. (Not as strange as when my 9
year old Spice Girl listening sister wanted Images and Words!).
Anyway, her favourites are (in no order); You Not Me, Peruvian Skies,
and Anna Lee. These were closely followed by New Millennium, Hollow
Years, Burning My Soul, and Take Away My Pain.
Can't complain though, hearing more DT and less Hanson can't be a bad
thing.
Scott.
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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 22:53:31 -0700
From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Are we allowed taping DT showS?
Message-ID: <199710150553.WAA00447@gms.gmsnet.com>
On the Eve of Destruction, Nicolas Drouin said:
>
>My friends and i are going to see Dt in St-Louis. There are a lot of
>bootlegs concerning Dream Theater, are we permitted to bring tape
>recorders to concerts?
>
>just asking!
Heh, unfortunately... no usually... so sneak that shit in! :)
-The Doc
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 02:07:10 -0400 From: JB <beamup@vt.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Stratovarius/Angra/Superior Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19971015020710.007a7630@mail.vt.edu>
>> ugh, later, (you know you're an engineer when...) >And it actually gets weirder when you're done with school...
I know! Believe me, I worked for IBM (down in RTP, NC) in-between programs... It gets even weirder in school the second time (ha! top that!).. :) And in 2 months, it's back out again... (I have like 10 places to make up my mind for now... no $ has been talked yet though!)... maybe I'll just stay on here as an instructor... then I can stay in this college setting I seem to love so much :)
by the way, does anyone have any further samples of Stratovarius? I listened to "Abyss of your Eyes", and fruking love it! I listened to "Uncertainty (Live)" and it's alright....But is this a good idea of what to expect on the album in general (and which album are these off of?)...
Also, Superior... I've heard the clip of "Why", and rather like it... but it's only a 50sec wav file, and I'd like to get a better listen before I buy (with Shadow Gallery/Enchant/Angra I've had at least 3 clips to listen to) Any opinions of Superior fans... any other clips people have/willing to make?
Just got my check in from my TA position... so I have some money to splurge on some music!!! (But not too much!!!) :)
Thanks, J
p.s. does the singer from Angra ever use his natural voice for more than 5 seconds at a time? Not a criticism, it just sounds like 95% of the time he's in falsetto to me.... still cool stuff though... love the music. "Never Understand" is a great song...
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 00:19:33 -0700 (PDT) From: "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Roadtrip Atl -> Chicago Message-ID: <199710150719.AA13707@crl.crl.com>
If any Atlanta/Georgia/Southeast US Ytsejammers are interested in roadtripping up to see the Nov. 1st Chicago show -- it's a Saturday show, hooray -- please send me email. Mark Peters, Phil Carter, Eric Marlett, others who have emailed me recently, whatcha wanna do? :)
If people want, we could possibly expand outward from that date to catch others as well, either before or after, depending on how many days of work or school we can miss. This isn't currently a concern for me, so anything's open. :)
-- +-- ...once the cloud that's raining ---+- Paul W. Cashman ---+ | over your head / disappears | vanyel@crl.com | | the noise that you hear | www.crl.com/~vanyel | +--is the crashing down of Hollow Years.... <-+--< Dream Theater -----+
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 97 00:42:42 -0700 From: Andrew Embler <aembler@gladstone.uoregon.edu> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3116 Message-ID: <199710150742.AAA15410@network-services.uoregon.edu>
>>Did anyone else waste their money on "The Gravel Walk"? This is horrible. I >>think the electric fiddle is the lead instrument on this CD. I just assumed >>that being on the Magna Carta label, that it was progressive metal...
I can't comment on buying an album when you don't even know the style of music that the musicians play (I've bought some bizarre albums in the past...some surprisingly good...others almost unlistenable.) However, the assumption that what Magna Carta puts out is only progressive metal is a faulty one. I have yet to hear Black Light Syndrome (Bozzio, Levin, Stevins) or Steinway to Heaven (progressive keyboardists playing classical pieces), but it stands to reason that Magna Carta is dedicated to putting out many different forms of progressive rock music, not solely progressive metal.
BTW...I enjoy Tempest's "Turn of the Wheel"...but I also enjoy Jethro Tull...so perhaps that says something about it. Later, Jammers.
---------- Andrew Embler - aembler@gladstone.uoregon.edu "I may not look like it...but I got fire" -- Phil Collins ----------
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 10:22:40 +0200 From: Steffen Barabasch <TheMirror@westend.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Gentle Giant connections Message-ID: <34447D4E.89B7E205@westend.com>
Hi!
Some other connections to Gentle Giant are Kevin Gilbert and Paul Northfield, who both got almost the job as a producer of the new album. Kevin was a big fan, and played on one of the tribute albums. Paul Northfield engineered some of the GG albums in the late 70s.
Check out The Power And The Glory, too! "So Sincere" is THE song for all those who like really dissonant crap like myself. Too cool!
Later,
Steffen
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 01:49:14 -0700 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Looking back... Message-ID: <199710150849.BAA01739@gms.gmsnet.com>
Well, it's about 1:45am here in Los Angeles, so I decide maybe to get some shut eye.... but instead, I decide to pop in Dream Theater at the Limelight from 93. Crappy quality, but AWESOME performance. I envy any of you that may have been there...
I go for the Killing Hand, but instead run into Eve... then it hits me, Derek is a good keyboardist, but he just doesn't have the feel of Kevin Moore. Kevin was just a phenomenon at writing. I just now realize how much Kevin's influenced will be missed in Dream Theater's music.
Oh wells...
-The Doc
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 97 11:35:13 +0100 From: Jan Ziese <jzi@star-ag.ch> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Looking back... Message-ID: <9710151035.AA01928@star2.star-ag.ch>
A tired Doc Mosh wrote: > >I go for the Killing Hand, but instead run into Eve... then it hits me, >Derek is a good keyboardist, but he just doesn't have the feel of Kevin >Moore. Kevin was just a phenomenon at writing. I just now realize how >much Kevin's influenced will be missed in Dream Theater's music. > You must be kidding, "will be missed". I've been missing it ever since 'Awake'! Um, no outcries, please, I'm not into that "Kevin's gone, now everything's bad"-whining! Derek's doing a great job, and I mean it. I think that he absolutely grew up to Kevin concerning playing abilities. As does the Dr., I just miss Kevin's songwriting which added even more variety to DT's music. Again, I still love DT as much as when Kevin was still there. There's no point in whining, it's just the way it is and that's OK.
Anyway, hope Kevin's gonna be back soon... (HEY, BE CAREFUL WITH THAT FLAME THROWER, THAT WAS JUST A JOKE!!!)
Have a nice time, jan ------------------------------------------------------------------ - Jan Ziese - +49 (0) 7738 / 99 858 - jzi@star-ag.ch - ------------------------------------------------------------------ - Mosh: You'll be in real trouble when you start missing - - Charlie Dominci ;) Get some sleep now. - ------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 03:06:31 -0700 From: Mike Bahr <durnik@goodnet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: DVD players can read any properly written CDR. Message-ID: <344495A7.4BED@goodnet.com>
Title says it all, folks. However unfortunately not all CDRs are properly written. :) It has a lot to do with the software and the burner.
Interestingly enough, all Sega Saturn CDs have a strange data band around the outer edge of the disc, assumedly where the copy-protection bitcheck is stored. Not coincidentally, this cannot be copied by anything sort of a glass-master replicator. Sony PSX discs are a lot less complex, masking a bitcheck on the TOC so that it's confirmed as an authentic disc. I guess that's what mod chips are for.
Also, been reading all the replies to my post. For the most part some really good arguments there. And to Loren, who felt I may have been under-appreciating Rush; the whole point of the post is that the "fans" I referred to were doing just that. I myself get far more out of Rush than Neil, a drum solo, Tom Sawyer, and weed. :)
-- -Mike Bahr/Prism Records -durnik_@_goodnet.com -http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik/
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 06:50:22 -0400 From: Dave <buster@ee.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: lcaler@flash.net Subject: Geddy Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971015065022.00695130@ee.net>
Loren wrote: >Wait a minute man. Now I don't know if I speak for other people, but what >got me into Rush at first was Geddy. Jesus Christ that man can play bass.
Abosufuckinglutely Geddy can play!!! I personally consider him to be one of the top 5 bassists I've ever heard. I love the bassline under the solo in Freewill, it gives me chills!
Geddy Lee is PHENOMONAL. Ever listen to some of the crazy lines he plays WHILE he is singing?? Anyone who can run bass riffs like that while they sing and play moog pedals with their feet should be in the guiness book of records.
I think ALex Lifeson is definitely way under-rated too. He has a VERY unique style and has shown me some great new approaches to the guitar with evey new album over the years...he never stops tinkering, and his stuff is very original.
Nothing more needs to be said about Peart, we all know he is multi-talented and one of the best at what he does.
I got into Rush when I was 11 years old (I'm 28 now) and my first album was 2112. I'm sure there are quite a few people on this list that have been into them as long as me, and those people might agree when I say Geddy and Alex are just as incredible as Neil in every sense.
damn...see what happens? too much caffiene when I read the jam and I'm on a tangent....
buster http://users1.ee.net/buster/ http://www.dhpc.com/ryche/
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 11:59:13 +0200 From: Shai Yallin <Yallin@Netvision.net.il> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Music Appreciation 201 Message-ID: <344493F1.38B8@Netvision.net.il>
Chris Ptacek wrote: > always prefer to read while listening to instrumental music. It's cool to > develop a soundtrack for the action you create in your mind. By the time I > finished the album all the way through, I realized that I hadn't read more > than 20 pages... the album had come alive for me and the book ceased to exist.
Me too :-)
> Often my thoughts go back to a book I was reading when I got entranced by > such music. One case in point is Marty Friedman's _Dragon's Kiss_, which > always draws me back to the evils in H.P. Lovecraft's _The Case of Charles
The same thing happened to me with I&W. About a year and a half ago, when I first got I&W, I started reading _The Stand_ by Stephen King. I put I&W on repeat and read for hours every day. Since then, every time I listen to I&W I think of _The Stand_.
BTW: _Dragon's Kiss_ rocks!!
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 13:04:47 +0200 From: Shai Yallin <Yallin@Netvision.net.il> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Ovation Message-ID: <3444A34F.13A2@Netvision.net.il>
Hi there!
Yesterday I saw an Ovation acoustic bass ad, where there're many pictures of bassists that play Ovation gear. And guess who's picture appears there? John Myung! It absolutly made my day!
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 07:48:45 -0400 From: "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.Belvoir.Army.Mil> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: RE: stuff II Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=AMSC%l=AMSC_NTAS-971015114845Z-18845@amsc_ntas.amsc.belvoir.army.mil>
>Some Angra news that I read today stated that Columbia was considering >signing Angra. I had once heard Sony was. I wish some company would sign >them so we could get their cds cheaper than import price...
Actually, Columbia = CBS = Sony. That rumor is alive and well, but I don't know if anything will come of it. Consider this, though - they've been putting out CD's or Ep's like clockwork, about every six months. I ahven't heard about anything new, and it's getting close to that mark. That COULD be because the're in negotiations... or not. Just something to think about... > >Mike's posts are often controversal and bring up debate here on the jam. >The tone in his post about prog fans basically indicated to me that if >you don't have his views then you are worth anything.
I have fewer problems with Bahr's posts than most, and I got this impression, as well. It was a bit "high and mighty"...
Mike >
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 08:05:28 -0400 From: "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.Belvoir.Army.Mil> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: RE: oops...NDTC... Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=AMSC%l=AMSC_NTAS-971015120528Z-18878@amsc_ntas.amsc.belvoir.army.mil>
>> From: "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.Belvoir.Army.Mil> >> Subject: RE: >> >> One point to bring up in this analysis, though - LTL is much more >> emotionally complex than "Smells..." is, but that doesn't mean it's any >> more successful in getting it's point across. "Smells..." does that very >> well. > >what's exactly the point brought across in smells? "wow, I can combine two >words that rhyme without >making any sense" or "look, mommy, I can play a chord!"
(Keep in mind I'm not a Nirvana fan)
The song is supposed to be about the angst of being a teenager - admittedly a little bit of a reach for guys in their twenties - but it conveys this emotion very clearly, as well as some anger and frustration. It's not complex, but it has a good hook, the production aids in getting the point across, and all of the melodies are catchy. In short, it's a well written song - the only one on that album, IMO - that doesn't try to be something it isn't. The rest of the album fits your description just about perfectly... :)
Mike >
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 08:10:03 -0400 From: "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.Belvoir.Army.Mil> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: RE: Charlie Dominici / Majesty Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=AMSC%l=AMSC_NTAS-971015121003Z-18880@amsc_ntas.amsc.belvoir.army.mil>
Am I the only one that's already imagining D-Man's reply to this? :)
>Does anyone know the status of Dream Theater's ex-lead singer Charlie >Dominici? He had a pretty decent voice too, has he ever moved on to a >different project? Also, are there any recordings available from Dream >Theater from the Pre-Dream Theater days? I'm looking for Majesty tapes, >or anything I can get my hands on.. thanks... (Also, what is the name >of Kevin Moore's new band called) > >-- >Jon Lenaway > >
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 05:22:08 -0700 From: "kurt torster" <sfk@mailexcite.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: SFK Message-ID: <PBAFKFPDLNPBBAAA@mailexcite.com>
>Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 17:14:59 -0400 (EDT) >From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com> >Hello? I said that I did not write that statement about DT fans being >anal and worse than trekkies. It was Kurt from the SFK mailing list who >wrote it.
It was me...and before this goes any further...I am a DT fan who likes the new album. I just find it so amusing some of the threads on here and the newsgroup about the most trivial of matters...
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 13:55:45 +0100 (BST) From: Graham Borland <gborland@apsoft.co.uk> To: YtseJam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: UK release, finally! Message-ID: <Marcel-1.26-1015125545-0b0rZWN@mor.apsoft.co.uk>
Yes, well, it would appear that Falling Into Infinity is now available domestically in the United Kingdom.
HMV has about 10 copies at "normal" UK new release prices (ukp 14.49), and there's no sign of any Import stickers on them anywhere. Tower and Virgin don't have them yet, but no doubt they'll follow soon.
Graham
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