YTSEJAM Digest 3120
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Those lucky guys whose girlfriends like DT
by alex fraser <fraser@stolaf.edu>
2) Just let my glass angra review bands
by "Christopher W. Ptacek" <someone@prognosis.com>
3) Madonna/Yes
by Lobsterback <hender@wam.umd.edu>
4) enchant
by "Flavio Maia" <fmaia@alpha200.digiopen.com.br>
5) When Dream and Day Unite is still the best
by "incorrigible ophelia ;(" <afn39111@afn.org>
6) Re: Madonna/Yes
by eckie@asu.edu
7) The last person to get FII
by "Don Compton" <soulmadness@hotmail.com>
8) Re: DT on the Radio
by Geoff Stephens <bhawk@ibm.net>
9) Re: enchant
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
10) Re: Those lucky guys whose girlfriends like DT
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
11) Lotsa stuff
by Phil Carter <carter@negia.net>
12) Cynic
by Paul Dyer <dyer@taunet.net.au>
13) Re: TSO availability (www.trans-siberian.com)
by Sava Web <savaweb@winternet.com>
14) New Ytsejam shirts
by RASI2290@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU
15) Funeral for a Fund
by Lobsterback <hender@wam.umd.edu>
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 15:09:12 -0500 (CDT)
From: alex fraser <fraser@stolaf.edu>
To: Ytsecadabra! <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Those lucky guys whose girlfriends like DT
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.971015150616.26103B-100000@lars.acc.stolaf.edu>
On Wed, 15 Oct 1997, Christopher R. Merlo wrote:
> > Two or three days later, I asked her what she thought about the
> > tape and she said that she liked some of the things I put there (Rush's
> > "Tears" for instance), but said that those Dream Theater songs were kind
> > of repetitive. :-)
> You're better off without her. :)
just a little public service anouncement:
don't *ever* listen to Chris Merlo when he gives advice about women (even
though he happens to be correct here.) honestly, there's no way he could
know squat about women. after all, if he did he'd already be dating his
roommate... right? ;)
dating a girl who'd rather listen to cat stevens (don't get me
started...),
id
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 16:40:53 -0500
From: "Christopher W. Ptacek" <someone@prognosis.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Just let my glass angra review bands
Message-ID: <199710151640530170.03BC08C1@smtp.enteract.com>
>Images&Words:Under A Glass Moon
>Awake:Scarred
>FII:Just Let Me Breath
>
>I don't know if it is because there isn't anything catchy in those songs
>or what...
Wow. Maybe to you... but UAGM is EXTREMELY catchy to me (and no, I'm not=
just defending it for the bad ass shred solo)
Interesting though. I guess it just proves that not everyone hears music=
in the same way.
>From: "Ken McWatters" <kmcwatters@hotmail.com>
>Subject: Lynx users, music response, fan club
>Clark Abel gave a discussion on how he thinks music like rap and
>country is just background music for their fans, and doesn't really
>touch them.
I don't think that's at all what Clark was saying. I know I'd disagree=
with that statement.
>Black's dog gettin' run over? :) Seriously, I do think that you could
>quantify this.. this music likely "touches" a smaller percentage of its
>listeners than DT, classical, jazz, etc. The power of "our" kind of
>music is undeniable.
ROFL How is the power undeniable? If someone just hears it and thinks=
it's a bunch of whiney high pitched noise, and they'd get more out of=
their gritty southern country blend, I think they'd deny the "power". I=
don't think you can quantify what you mention above. I do think that it=
sounds as though you're disqualifying music because you yourself don't=
like it. Remember, even though you may not hear the worth in a piece of=
music, though you are a musician of some experience, I understand, doesn't=
mean that it doesn't touch a multitude of listeners. You have to train=
your ear to listen to different types of music. Bafu himself mentioned=
that he just can't listen to Webern and Shoenberg, because it grates on=
his ears. I tend not to be able to deal well with female opera voices...=
they grate on my ears. Some people can't deal with rap, in any way (I=
think KorgX3 is one of these people); and some people can't handle DT for=
these same reasons (Several friends of mine, and my father, who is a=
musician of 25+ years).
>From: Paul Dyer <dyer@taunet.net.au>
>To: ytsejam@ax.com
>Subject: Angra
>
>I have only heard Angra on a Judas Priest tribute thingy where they do
>"Painkiller":
>
> "Fasta than a lay-zer Boolet,
> Laooder than an Ay-tom BomB" (heh heh)
>
>There very impressive to say the least. Any sugestions on what album to
>start with???
Hahaha! Not unlike Lemur Voice, the accent itself makes it catchy to me.=
I have zero explanations for this.
Understand, though, that Angra's vocalist is doing a Rob Halford=
impression on that tune. He sounds nothing like that on their other=
music. If you're a fan of heavier music, the rule is "Go for Angel's=
Cry". If you like things more akin to Images and Words, "Get Holy Land".=
Either way, you will not be disappointed.
>Also what are the jams opinions of the following:
>
>1) Conception??
Anything before their new album is great for most DT fans. Sort of a=
weird singer... almost like a little bit scratchy Geoff Tate... GREAT=
voice. Excellent guitars. Only bummer is that the bassist is picking on=
the albums I have.
>2) Cynic??
This band was a freak of nature. A band that should not have been. They=
only released one album, and the musicianship is staggering. Sean Malone,=
a closet Ytsejammer, kills on the bass, if you can listen deeply enough to=
hear it. Some of how he compliments the music is just staggering. Great=
fretless work. As great as he is, he isn't the most horrific and=
devastating force on the album. That would be Sean Reinert on the drums.=
There is no other. :) He puts Neil back on the shelf with all the other=
shampoo bottles. He sends Portnoy back to school. If Zonder has 4=
invisible arms, Reinert has 12. Okay... enough kiss ass. Lemme tell you=
the downsides, assuming you're something like the average Ytsejammer.
The compositions are extremely dynamic. So much so, that it may be hard=
for you to grasp everything that's going on, and it may be tough to really=
catch onto the songs. The lyrics are very cool, but way out there. The=
vocals are a thrashy/death-like growl. If you tuned the average death=
metal voice up about 3 steps, you'd have half of the vocals right there.=
I, personally, love it. The other half of the vocals are done with=
chanting or vocorder. Since I've been way too nice in giving descriptions=
of the Chapman Stick (also used on this album by Malone) several times,=
only to see someone in the next jam ask "What the heck is a Chapman Stick"=
I'll give you one of many addresses that may help you find out what it is:=
http://www.metacrawler.com
That's a search engine. It can help you find things on this vast virtual=
library that is the web.
>3) Arcturus??
I don't expect the average jammer to get into this. It's what would=
happen if Black Metal and Prog collided. AWESOME guitarist. You'll want=
to listen first. I bet you can use that "internet" thing to find some=
sound clips of the band if you try.
- CWP
http://www.prognosis.com/madsman
someone@prognosis.com
Go Home and Practice
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 17:46:53 -0400
From: Lobsterback <hender@wam.umd.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Madonna/Yes
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19971015174653.006b7c20@pop.wam.umd.edu>
>That, of course, doesn't mean that Garth Brooks, Billy
>Joel or Madonna don't have their huge fans
You're not kidding. I know this one guy who buys every magazine that even
mentions Madonna in duplicate -- one to read, one to preserve in mint
condition for posterity, I suppose. His CD collection consisted of nearly
200, of those, only 2 were *not* Madonna (studio albums, singles,
best-of's, bootlegs, soundtracks, whathaveyou), and both of those he got
for free. Every inch of his room was plastered with posters of
you-know-who and he skipped school the day she had her baby to videotape
the reports on TV. Anything anyone might possibly know about her, he
knows. Now *that* is a diehard.
http://www.xs4all.nl/~yescomm/news.html#press
Upon review of the info at this link, the question arises in my mind.
Their new studio album (not "Keys To Ascension II") is called "Yes". They
already have an album by the same name. WHY?! Good lord! Granted, only
two of the bandos on the first album are still in it today, but still...
Do you suppose Yes has an inside joke about making their album titles
confusingly similar? Lessee, there's "Yesstory", "Yessongs", "Yesshows",
"The Yes Album", "Yesterdays", "Classic Yes", "Yes" (2X)... More? Probably.
Brian Henderson
hender@wam.umd.edu
"Mother
There is no other
Like mother
So treat her right" -- Mr. T
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 20:15:28 -0300
From: "Flavio Maia" <fmaia@alpha200.digiopen.com.br>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: enchant
Message-ID: <9710152230.AA02567@alpha200.digiopen.com.br>
yeah..i listened the wounded album a lot of times, like a guy here said and
still think that it's worst than botw and time lost....what did happen to
ted's voice?he returned to childhood?cherrz!!!
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 18:17:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: "incorrigible ophelia ;(" <afn39111@afn.org>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: When Dream and Day Unite is still the best
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.95.971015181454.51569A-100000@freenet2.afn.org>
On every album since WDADU, there has been at least one song that I just
can't stand. Surrounded (followed closely by Another Day), Innocence Faded
(followed closely by Lifting Shadows), and Anna Lee (followed closely by You
Not Me). But on WDADU, every song is perfect. It wins again.
NP: "Take me down, 6 underground."
"If I did that, I would lose him. I would much rather lose you."
Wish that anyone cared. Chapter One: http://www.afn.org/~afn39111
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 15:21:05 -0700 (MST)
From: eckie@asu.edu
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Madonna/Yes
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.971015151715.4867B-100000@general3.asu.edu>
> You're not kidding. I know this one guy who buys every magazine that even
> mentions Madonna in duplicate -- one to read, one to preserve in mint
> condition for posterity, I suppose. His CD collection consisted of nearly
> 200, of those, only 2 were *not* Madonna (studio albums, singles,
> best-of's, bootlegs, soundtracks, whathaveyou), and both of those he got
> for free. Every inch of his room was plastered with posters of
> you-know-who and he skipped school the day she had her baby to videotape
> the reports on TV. Anything anyone might possibly know about her, he
> knows. Now *that* is a diehard.
I was gonna make fun of this guy's friend, 'till I looked back at my own
self and realized...
..I'm doin' the same shit with Dream Theater, Metallica, Megadeth AND
Anthrax. When I get the funds, Rush is gonna be next though,
guarraannnteeeeeeed. Bwahahahaha!
~Eckie, the stalking extraordinaire
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 15:34:09 PDT
From: "Don Compton" <soulmadness@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: The last person to get FII
Message-ID: <19971015223409.22000.qmail@hotmail.com>
I think I am the last person on the list to get FII. Well, it doesn't
matter anyway because I got the Japanese copy. Now, let me say, I DO NOT
think the band sold out nor do I think they've gone alternative HOWEVER,
I do think this album is totally different and hard for me to adjust to.
Maybe it needs time to grow on me but even songs you guys praise such as
New Millenium, Trial Of Tears and Just Let Me Breathe do not stick out
in my mind. The tracks that did stick out are the extremely catchy You
Not Me, Burning My Soul, Lines In The Sand, and Hell's Kitchen. I think
Hollow Years has to be the best ballad of the year in my opinion. TAMP
is a difficult song to get into, not so much because of the latin beats,
it just is in general because even the demo is hard to get into. Speak
To Me does have a little Cure influence in it and is an okay song at
best.
Savatage- The Wake Of Magellan
HOLY FUCK- I was floored by this album. I was expecting a Dead Winter
Dead Part 2 with all slower-paced songs but this is the heaviest album
we've heard from these guys since Edge Of Thorns. Yes, it is a rock
opera but the only thing this has in common with DWD is that it is a
rock opera, Jon sings on 2 songs and they use counterpart in 2 songs.
Hourglass is the slowest song on the album and even that is not a
ballad, its more of a progressive type song that goes through a little
bit of everything (ballad, heavy metal, counterpoint, etc). Zak's
singing ranks up there with EOT and Jon's voice kicks ass all over
Paragons Of Innocence however Jon didn't do that great on Another Way
(but it still rocked). On Complaint In The System, they use a totally
new effect on the chorus- you'd have to hear it to believe and on
Morning Sun, Zak is accompanied by Chris or Al using a folk-y type
acoustic guitar giving the song a happy tone. Enough said, buy it now if
you haven't already
Don
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 17:26:43 -0500
From: Geoff Stephens <bhawk@ibm.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: DT on the Radio
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19971015172643.00698fc4@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net>
I live in Austin TX and hve yet to hear bms here. I happened to be taking
a trip through Dallas last week and did not expect to hear dt there either.
But during my drive through DFW between 2:00--4:00 am last Thursday morning
I heard bms on both kegl and qtxq. I was elated!! I couldn't believe it!
OH, and BTW: Austin radio sucks!!!!!
At 11:00 PM 10/14/97 -0700, you wrote:
>
>I just had an emotional moment....
>
>They just (for the first time I've ever heard) played Dream Theater ON THE
>AIR... (besides my show)...
>
>WROV (96.3) in Roanoke, VA.... played BMS... (complete with the "I don't
>give a shit" lyric and all!)
>
>You must understand I never heard someone else play DT on the radio
>before....even via request... (and It wasn't even my request!)... I called
>up the station, to ask for it, and the DJ said, "yeah, I've got that
>slotted here in the next 10 minutes... what's the deal, I've gotten about 5
>requests for that in the last hour or so... they must have quite a
>following...." and after the song he mentioned "the speakers in the station
>get a workout every time that song comes on"...
>
>This is too cool.... now I can go to sleep happy!
>
>Later,
> Jason
>
>
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 15:41:38 -0700
From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: enchant
Message-ID: <199710152241.PAA07503@gms.gmsnet.com>
On the Eve of Destruction, "Flavio Maia" said:
>
>yeah..i listened the wounded album a lot of times, like a guy here said and
>still think that it's worst than botw and time lost....what did happen to
>ted's voice?he returned to childhood?cherrz!!!
Actually... I think his vocals melodies are the most progressive on
Wounded, hey, but that's just me... I like early era Ray Alder where you
can't even determine his vocal melodies...
-The Doc
-- #$%*#$*@ E-MAIL: drkhoe@gmsnet.com #$%#$#$% _+_+_+_+ Unix, Internet, Intranet Engineering _+_+_+_+ [][][][] Dr. Mosh's Progressive Feast [][][][] #$@#$#@# http://progmetal.gmsnet.com @#$@##@$------------------------------
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 15:43:16 -0700 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Those lucky guys whose girlfriends like DT Message-ID: <199710152243.PAA07527@gms.gmsnet.com>
On the Eve of Destruction, alex fraser said: > >just a little public service anouncement: > >don't *ever* listen to Chris Merlo when he gives advice about women (even >though he happens to be correct here.) honestly, there's no way he could >know squat about women. after all, if he did he'd already be dating his >roommate... right? ;) >
Public Service Announcement:
Women just take your money anyways... hahah
>dating a girl who'd rather listen to cat stevens (don't get me >started...), > >id
Oh yeah? Not only that, but she lives where? BUDAPEST??
:)
-The Doc
-- #$%*#$*@ E-MAIL: drkhoe@gmsnet.com #$%#$#$% _+_+_+_+ Unix, Internet, Intranet Engineering _+_+_+_+ [][][][] Dr. Mosh's Progressive Feast [][][][] #$@#$#@# http://progmetal.gmsnet.com @#$@##@$
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 18:42:16 -0400 From: Phil Carter <carter@negia.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Lotsa stuff Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971015184216.0068e51c@pop.negia.net>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids...
Chris and Mike remarked:
>> Because of things like this, I'm inclined to give even the most bass >> ackwards prog fans a chance to explain why their narrow minded views are >> right... usually I find that these people are all intelligent, and not as >> set in their ways as you may think. > > "and the truth shall set ye free." :) I do think that getting on the >Jam is the single best thing a DT fan can do for themselves, if for no >other reason than to see that their own struggles to identify with >today's music are echoed by others like them.
Nuh-uh. Properly written, it's: "...and the truth shall make you flee." :) Getting on the 'Jam is the single best thing a DT fan can do for themselves, true -- but because it exposes you to a hellishly big amount of music that you'd probably never have heard of otherwise!
Case in point: Yesterday I got a shipment from Dream Disc with Symphony X's "Divine Wings of Tragedy", Superior's "Behind", Angra's "Holy Land", and Crimson Glory's "Transcendence". (Not being satisfied with that, I then went out and bought "Merry Axemas." There were two copies in the store, and the girl helping me spent fifteen minutes searching for the damn things. I went to her manager and recommended her for a raise. She likes DT, too....heh heh heh). These albums kick; I think Symphony X is my fave so far. (Why'd I wait so long to get these? I dunno).
While I'm on the subject of Symphony X, does anybody else think vocalist Russell Allen sounds a great deal like Ronnie James Dio? He has his own style, but is very similar in range and tone; a touch less growly though.
Crimson Glory's "Transcendence": AAAAAAAHHHH!!! 80's Metal Glam Poofy Hair! Ged, what a horrifying sight. Still a good disc.
>> any of you speakers of Hungarian out there interested in teaching me how >> to say "i want to rip off your underwear with my teeth"? i'd appreciate >> it... :)
I don't know about this one, but the only German phrase I know is "I dance with the Platypus of Death." Sounds incredibly amusing when spoken quickly.
Cheers, Phil
========================================================= Phil Carter -- carter@negia.net http://www.negia.net/~carter "Music brings peace to the restless, and comforts the sorrowful. They who no longer know where to turn find new ways. And those who have despaired, gain new confidence and love." -- Pablo Casals Currently playing: Superior -- "Behind" (Bernd, you guys ROCK! Great disc!)
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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 08:32:04 +0900 From: Paul Dyer <dyer@taunet.net.au> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Cynic Message-ID: <1335131772-118139234@smtp.taunet.net.au>
>>2) Cynic?? >> >> Well, I'm also interested in this band. Any albums are >> recommended??
Roger,
Cynic are a band from Florida. They formed and only recorded one album called "Focus". Its kind of a jazzy metal thing. use of Electronic drums (very) occaisonally, a Chapman Stick (Which I still don't know what that is!) and excellent jazz drumming. Paul Masvidal (guitar) & Sean Reinert(Bass??) who played on Death's "Human" are in the band and they are both excellent players and PM produces some well structured & fast lead guitar. Overall it is hard to describe but I love it. A good friend of mine who is heavily into DT, FW Stratovarius, Blind Guardian etc also loves it so I reccomend it!
The band have split now but I have heard of maybe a new band forming called "Portal". Not to sure about this though...
Cheers Paul
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 17:57:19 -0500 (CDT) From: Sava Web <savaweb@winternet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: TSO availability (www.trans-siberian.com) Message-ID: <199710152257.RAA05564@parka.winternet.com>
> > > To all the people looking for Trans Siberian Orchestra. I have seen > several copies at the local Target store. It is out now and should be > easy to find. (hell if Target has it, every place that sells cds > should).
That is great, I had heard stores would not stock it until November 1st.
Also in case you missed it the Trans-Siberian Orchestra Web pages have moved to
Also you can order online from Music Blvd, Cd Now, CD Universe, ... etc.
Atlantic will be promoting this album heavily this year, even more heavily than last year. They have already produced 350,000 CDs which should bring TSO into Gold Status this year.
Hope to see many of you at the Savatage shows this week!!!
later,
Nathan Bradley -------------------------------------------------------------------------- savaweb@savatage.com webmaster@trans-siberian.com Savatage Fan Web Pages Trans-Siberian Orchestra Web Pages www.savatage.com www.trans-siberian.com TWOM - Out in Europe/Japan TSO - Now available for ordering - Avail Jan '98 in USA at www.musicblvd.com --------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 19:08:47 -0500 (EST) From: RASI2290@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: New Ytsejam shirts Message-ID: <01IOUHE51E6E0035KA@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU>
I have the design for the back of the new ytseshirt on my page, everybody go take a look and gimme your opinion! it's at www.j51.com/~mrasiel/another.htm
Also, quick html question, I'm sure at least 80 billion of you know this, so if just *one* of those answers me, I'll be content: How do you get it so when you type in the URL the HTML file automatically comes up? I have to keep the file w/the address, or you'd see a funky FTP listing. Anyone?
Joshua Rasiel rasi2290@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 19:13:28 -0400 From: Lobsterback <hender@wam.umd.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Funeral for a Fund Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19971015191328.006d509c@pop.wam.umd.edu>
Is Elton John honestly doing a John Denver tribute album? Picked this rumor up somewhere. That's a laugh. Not the death part, just the blatant capitalism of it all. Peasants, put down your pitchforks and revolt! Nah, you'd better not. The Illumanati know where I live after all, and I can't be seen stirring up rebellion in such a public forum...
[Compensatory Note: To the more literal minded, I am not an anarchist. I've seen how dumb people can be when left to do their own thing.]
In regards to the Tempest issue, I'd wager that a good deal of Magna Carta bands are not progmetal, or are, at most, 'fringe'. Take Cairo for example. I'd say that's more oldschool symphonic style prog than metal. I'd also wager I'm the only one on this list with a *signed* copy of a non-Magna Carta released Tempest album. The truly bizarre thing about it is that I bought it at a used CD store. I say "stolen", but that's just me.
In further Yes news, "Keys To Ascension II" is being released the day I go to see them. How's that for nuts? How's that for the complete depletion of all my spending money?!
Oh, and DTC, lest I forget...
HEY U GUYS DOES ANYBOD-EE KNOW WHEN IS DT PLAYING BUMBLEFUCK?!?!?!
<grin> Couldn't resist the temptation. But they'd better announce some east coast dates, or I'll be bustin' some heads. And for those who haven't met me, I'm a terrifying physical presence. 6'4" of pure skeleton, skin, and gristle! Don't mess with me, dudes, or you might wind up with a pointy elbow in your eye. I've had them artificially sharpened, you know... Yo. East-coast.
Brian Henderson hender@wam.umd.edu
"Oh, Dave Pegg surprised himself there - his bass came back to life. With any luck, so will Dave." -- I. Anderson
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