YTSEJAM Digest 3119
Today's Topics:
1) Tempest
by Paul Goracke <pgor@netcom.com>
2) Re: ughhh...what lame lyrics
by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
3) DT TOUR
by thomas andersen <totte@vip.cybercity.dk>
4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3117
by Mark Jeffrey McEuen <mceuen@owlnet.rice.edu>
5) Those lucky guys whose girlfriends like DT
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3118
by "Greg R. Lee" <greg@aix.can.ibm.com>
7) SID Address
by fsrmusic@juno.com
8) FII
by "James Thorpe" <thirdhvn@community.net>
9) Finneus Gauge at WVIA Studios.
by "Syrinx" <syrinx@mindspring.com>
10) Re: Those lucky guys whose girlfriends like DT
by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
11) Why no Northern California Dates?
by Shane Liebling <jusenkyo@uclink4.berkeley.edu>
12) RE: East Coast dates
by "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.Belvoir.Army.Mil>
13) Ytsejam Fantasy Basketball League
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
14) RE: East Coast dates
by "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.Belvoir.Army.Mil>
15) RE: YTSEJAM digest 3117
by "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.Belvoir.Army.Mil>
16) Re: Looking back
by "Adam" <alpineone@mindspring.com>
17) Some Thoughts
by "Tedesco, Matthew" <tedescom@BDD.com>
18) Merry Axemas!
by jemmons@neo.lrun.com (John Emmons)
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 11:51:41 -0700
From: Paul Goracke <pgor@netcom.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: Andrew Embler <aembler@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
Subject: Tempest
Message-ID: <l03110701b06ac036a03c@[128.95.235.96]>
wrote:
> BTW...I enjoy Tempest's "Turn of the Wheel"...but I also enjoy Jethro
> Tull...so perhaps that says something about it.
If you like Tempest, I highly recommend checking out Boiled in Lead, a
Minnesota Celto/folk/country/tinge-of-punk band that's been around for
15yrs now. They have a homepage at <http://www.omnium.com/bil/bil.html>
that has some samples you can check out. My fave album: "Orb". 4 excellent
musicians working together (including one of the best percussionists I know
of).
pg
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Paul Goracke | "To do is to be" - Aristotle
pgor@netcom.com | "To be is to do" - Plato
| "Do be do be do" - Sinatra
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 14:50:48 -0400
From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: ughhh...what lame lyrics
Message-ID: <199710151850.OAA18207@stimpy.cs.wm.edu>
> Ok...I'm a new poster.
Years from now, this shall be referred to as the "How to Make Friends and
Influence People on the Ytsejam" post. I just know it.
-d
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 20:33:02 +0200
From: thomas andersen <totte@vip.cybercity.dk>
To: ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: DT TOUR
Message-ID: <34450C5E.54B1@vip.cybercity.dk>
HI TO ALL U 'TALKINGABOUTEVERYTHINGELSBUTDREAMTHEATER' GUYS!!
DT is commin to Denmark on the 6.dec. And I can't wait..
Does any of u know the setup for the koncert (songs and shit).
thanx alot...
totte
totte@vip.cybercity.dk
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 13:51:26 -0500 (CDT)
From: Mark Jeffrey McEuen <mceuen@owlnet.rice.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3117
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.971015134245.19481A-100000@minnow.owlnet.rice.edu>
> > I go for the Killing Hand, but instead run into Eve... then it hits me,
> > Derek is a good keyboardist, but he just doesn't have the feel of Kevin
> > Moore. Kevin was just a phenomenon at writing. I just now realize how
> > much Kevin's influenced will be missed in Dream Theater's music.
>
> I'm glad to see I'm not the only person who feels this way (though the
> last time I brought this up, I was flamed). Derek is a great keyboardist,
> and a great player... and I really like the jazz influence in some of his
> writing.
[snip]
> Anyway, Derek is still cool, and DT still rule, but I don't like hearing
> this "Derek's playing is great, he totally fills the void", etc. stuff
> that some people have said, because I really don't think you can compare
> Derek's playing to Kevin's. DT aren't quite the same band now (but that
> doesn't mean they're any worse/better).
I completely agree with the above. Kevin was an integral part of DT's
sound, so they obviously will never be quite the same band again now that
he's gone. I think Derek is a great keyboardist and a worthy replacement,
and I think he brings something new and interesting to DT, but I still
personally prefer Kevin's style (and songwriting).
Not trying to start an argument here (but probably failing)....
Mark McEuen
mceuen@owlnet.rice.edu
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 16:59:34 -0200 (EDT)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Those lucky guys whose girlfriends like DT
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.971015165258.4388C-100000@hoare.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Wed, 15 Oct 1997, Stephen LaMonica wrote:
> One other thing....has anyone had a similar experience(I think I read one
> earlier this week)? I recently played Hollow Years for my girlfriend, and now
> she loves DT. She has borrowed(which in girl language means stolen :) ) all
> of my DT CD's! Just wondering if I am the only one who has experienced this
> "mysterious phenomenon" :)
Well, when I had a girlfriend :-) and showed her that compilation
tape (thank you very much for those of you who have contributed with the
songlist). Two or three days later, I asked her what she thought about the
tape and she said that she liked some of the things I put there (Rush's
"Tears" for instance), but said that those Dream Theater songs were kind
of repetitive. :-)
[]s, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=------------------------------
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 15:05:32 -0400 (EDT) From: "Greg R. Lee" <greg@aix.can.ibm.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3118 Message-ID: <199710151905.PAA15368@aixguru.mkm.can.ibm.com>
> From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
> I was thinking about all the James Labrie DT albums and for me there is > 1 song on each that it is difficult for me to become familiar > with. I dont really know why because they are all great songs but anyway > the songs are: > Images&Words:Under A Glass Moon > Awake:Scarred > FII:Just Let Me Breath > > I don't know if it is because there isn't anything catchy in those songs > or what...
Dude...Scarred!!! The guitar solo actually gets me aroused! I fail to see how a guitar/JP fan can find that solo catchy...
Greg, Toronto -- See ya all at the Warehouse on the 29th!
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 15:15:37 EDT From: fsrmusic@juno.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: SID Address Message-ID: <19971015.141720.2479.4.fsrmusic@juno.com>
Can someone please give me the sub. address to SID, the Queesryche mailing list? Thanks in advance. Rory
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 12:34:31 -0700 From: "James Thorpe" <thirdhvn@community.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: FII Message-ID: <199710151925.MAA16641@odin.community.net>
Well I finally picked up FII recently. Yes, I know I know, I'm slow. :) All I can say is Wow. The production is awesome. I've read how some people think certain parts sound like so and so.
Doesn't the whole vibe of Hell's Kitchen sound simular (not copying) to a couple songs from Stuart Hamm's first solo Cd "Radio Free Albemuth". I love the ambience of it. Goes really well with animation clips.
The beginning of 'Trial of Tears' sort of reminds me of the beginning of 'Ah Music Viacom' by Eric Johnson. The melody 'Its raining, raining, on the streets of NYC,...." sounds like something but I can't remember. Does anyone remember a simular melody from something?
John Myung scores another 10+ in the lyrics department.
peace, --james-- third heaven studio
"Animation can explain whatever the mind of man can conceive" -Walt Disney
"Eschew the normal, disdain the commonplace, if you have a singular need for something, let it be the esoteric, the unusual, the bizarre." -Chuck Jones (Looney Tunes)
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 15:30:24 -0400 From: "Syrinx" <syrinx@mindspring.com> To: "A Ytse Besides Itself" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Finneus Gauge at WVIA Studios. Message-ID: <199710151933.PAA16350@brickbat8.mindspring.com>
Hello, all.
I wanted to give a quick review of the radio show that finneus gauge id at WVIA studios in Scranton last night.
they were amazing.
they performed every track off of their debut album, more once more. they also played 3 new songs (state of the art, one inch of the fall, golden pretzel - my personal favorite) which were amazing! the band was inb the best form i have EVER seen them. Laura Martin (the vocalist, for those of you who don't know...) impressed me the most. She's really starting to come into her own as a vocalist and as the "frontperson" of the group.
After 2 hours of seeing them kick alot of ass, i can happily say that Finneus Gauge is probably one of the best prog bands to come along in quite a long time. If you can see them, i HIGHLY reccommend it. if you don't have their cd, SHAME ON YOU! go to http://ghostland.com/finneus.html RIGHT NOW and buy it. it's _that_ good.
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 15:37:12 -0400 From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Those lucky guys whose girlfriends like DT Message-ID: <199710151937.PAA10257@ia.cs.wm.edu>
> Two or three days later, I asked her what she thought about the > tape and she said that she liked some of the things I put there (Rush's > "Tears" for instance), but said that those Dream Theater songs were kind > of repetitive. :-)
You're better off without her. :)
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 12:42:24 -0700 From: Shane Liebling <jusenkyo@uclink4.berkeley.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Why no Northern California Dates? Message-ID: <v03110700b06acbfb5e72@[169.229.75.60]>
This is more directed at the band, or their promoters, or even Mike since he reads the Jam. Why aren't you guys coming to Northern California for the tour? There are tons of great venues, and tons of fans up here, who are now going to have to drive their asses down to LA (or SD in my case since I am not 21+!). I was talking to my friend and he said that for both Images and Awake you guys had NorCal shows, why not this time?
-Shane (kinda peeved he's going to have to miss alot of classes and will have to drive for quite awhile to see DT)
____________________________________________________________________________ Shane Liebling R "All of us get lost in the darkness, jusenkyo@uclink4.berkeley.edu U dreamers learn to steer by the stars CAA Layman and Ytsejammer S All of us do time in the gutter, Member of a.m.m.o. since 1997 H dreamers turn to look at the cars." -------------------------------- The Sites --------------------------------- The Short Me - http://www.hotwired.com/members/profile/demolitionman/ The Long Me - http://www.earthlink.net/~mariachi Cal's RC5 Mirror Site - http://www.earthlink.net/~mariachi/rc5/ Deutsch Hall's Webpage - http://www.reshall.berkeley.edu/unit1/deutsch/ ---------------------------------- by Me -----------------------------------
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 15:43:48 -0400 From: "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.Belvoir.Army.Mil> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: RE: East Coast dates Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=AMSC%l=AMSC_NTAS-971015194348Z-19609@amsc_ntas.amsc.belvoir.army.mil>
There haven't been any VA dates confirmed yet, but there are some good possibilties. I'll let everyone know as soon as I do...
Mike
>Have any east coast tour dates for the FII tour been released? >Namely in the Virginia area? > -Chris >"Have a good Drown as you go down all Alone. . . > . . .dragged doen by the stone" > Pink Floyd, "Dogs" >
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 15:50:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com> To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Ytsejam Fantasy Basketball League Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.971015154957.10179H-100000@bdmserver>
The Ytsejam Fantasy Basketball League at espn.com is up and running. The draft is slated for Oct 29.
If you are interested in joining then go to http://espn.com and purchase a team. After you have a team join the group "Ytsejam Fantasy Basketball Leag." the password is "majesty". Then you have until Oct 29 to get your draft lists set up.
Any questions let me know.
There are 2 weeks left so don't miss out.
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 15:44:59 -0400 From: "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.Belvoir.Army.Mil> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: RE: East Coast dates Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=AMSC%l=AMSC_NTAS-971015194459Z-19610@amsc_ntas.amsc.belvoir.army.mil>
>> >> Have any east coast tour dates for the FII tour been released? >> Namely in the Virginia area? > >Congratulations, Chris. You just earned a FAQ.
Let's see if D-Man sends me one, since I responded without thinking... :)
Mike >
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 15:46:33 -0400 From: "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.Belvoir.Army.Mil> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: RE: YTSEJAM digest 3117 Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=AMSC%l=AMSC_NTAS-971015194633Z-19613@amsc_ntas.amsc.belvoir.army.mil>
Mark wrote..
>Not trying to start an argument here (but probably failing)....
My God man! Did you forget where you posted this? :)
Mike
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 16:05:17 -0400 From: "Adam" <alpineone@mindspring.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Looking back Message-ID: <01bcd9a5$a8040c00$eb8145cf@wingate.mindspring.com>
>Well, it's about 1:45am here in Los Angeles, so I decide maybe to get some >shut eye.... but instead, I decide to pop in Dream Theater at the >Limelight from 93. Crappy quality, but AWESOME performance. I envy any >of you that may have been there...
Wow, that's pretty strange. About 20 minutes before I read this message I put in this exact tape - The Limelight - New York 3/4/93. I've got a great quality copy if you want it. :) Wasn't there a CD boot of this available as well? That's the only time I don't like CD boots - when the cassette version is very readily available for trade with others. This, Summerfest '93, and a few others seem to be in every DT boot traders' collections.
________________________________ Adam Pye (Alpine) alpineone@mindspring.com http://www.mindspring.com/~alpineone (Above URL for bootlist w/ setlists.) ________________________________
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 16:16:00 -0400 From: "Tedesco, Matthew" <tedescom@BDD.com> To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Some Thoughts Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=BDD%l=BDD/MSMAIL/002120FB@nt_mail.bdd.com>
]From Pat:
>I was thinking about all the James Labrie DT albums and for me there is >1 song on each that it is difficult for me to become familiar >with. I dont really know why because they are all great songs but anyway >the songs are: >Images&Words:Under A Glass Moon >Awake:Scarred >FII:Just Let Me Breath
>I don't know if it is because there isn't anything catchy in those songs >or what...
WOW! I could not know LESS what you mean here. UaGM has always struck me; right from the intro, which blew me away first time I heard it, to the guitar solo, which to this day may be my personal JP favorite (love ToT, though--very Holdsworth). Scarred has just incredible biting lyrics, and is such a well-structured song, especially the unison section before the solo. And JLMB is, to me, the ballsiest song heavy-wise that OFB has penned to this date. I'd have to say these three are among my personal faves.
]From Steve:
> Anyway, too much text for Nirvana on this list.
Good lord YES and AMEN. I'd like to never think of them again, thanks.
]From Lars:
>BUT... I just can't see Derek ever writing something that rivals Eve, WFS, >or SDV. Or some of Kevin's keyboard parts within other songs (like OAMOT).
Ummm... well, it depends on taste, I guess. Both brilliant, both with different approaches. You confuse me, because you acknowledge that you can't compare 'em, and then you basically do. "Rivals" is a tough word there, and I'm not sure you didn't want a different one. True, Derek won't be writing something like OAMOT, but on the flip side, you wouldn't have gotten stuff like, well, JLMB from Kevin.
>Anyway, Derek is still cool, and DT still rule, but I don't like hearing >this "Derek's playing is great, he totally fills the void", etc. stuff >that some people have said, because I really don't think you can compare >Derek's playing to Kevin's. DT aren't quite the same band now (but that >doesn't mean they're any worse/better).
Derek's playing IS great. He DOES fill the void. As Kevin fit in perfectly in WDADU and I&W, so too does Derek fit perfectly in FII. Kevin left because the band was changing. I listen to Awake, in fact, and to this day I still believe that there already was a void; the role of the keys simply didn't at times match the direction of the music. Kevin knew it. On FII, the keyboard role does match the music. Of course the role is different than in the past. So's the music.
Yet another MATt Tedescom@BDD.com
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 17:05:36 +0100 From: jemmons@neo.lrun.com (John Emmons) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Merry Axemas! Message-ID: <v01540b01b06a933e459d@[204.210.205.63]>
Hey Trevor and all you Ytsejammers!
>Merry Axemas kicks ass! I couldn't have said it better! If you need any other really "rocking" Christmas music check out Gary Hoey's "Ho ho Hoey" Christmas album. I mean Gary's great on Endless Summers II soundtrack and Bug Alley, but this album is pretty good Christmas music. I also read/ heard something about a reissue of Transiberian orchectra's "Christmas Eve and other Stories" (this one has some of the Savantage guys on it- which reminds does anyone know where I can find the new Savantage album?It's called The Wake of Magellan) I know, it's barely Halloween and here we are recommending Christmas music...hey, it'll be here sooner than you think! Anyway some of my personal highlights on the album-
>JOE SATRIANI- SILENT NIGHT/HOLY NIGHT JAM I think all guitar players can really apprciate the Holy Night Jam...the only thing better than listening to this song, would be watching Joe perform it...how about another G3 show for Christmas? (wouldn't that be great!) >STEVE VAI- CHRISTMAS TIME IS HERE Ah, Mr. Vai...is there more to say? I actually think he's pretty subdued on this song, if I can ever say that about Steve Vai! He's not Italian for nothing! (he dove from the stage into the crowd when I saw him live last December for the 'Fire Garden' tour...almost landed on top of me...almost!) >ALEX LIFESON- THE LITTLE DRUMMER BOY Ah, getting to another one of my favorite guitarists- Alex of course plays the mysterious and somewhat meloncoly intro to this tune. This must be some of that leftover meoloncoly and mischief from the Victor project (which reminds me to ask, is there really another Victor album due out soon? I have heard that rumor, or the possiblity of a new studio album and tour from Rush in '98..they are already ready to "top" TFE so soon?...wow!)
Well, enough of me rambling on...guitar players just tend to do those sorts of things...especially when talking about guitars and guitarists...BTW, I haven't been keeping track of all the dates for the FII shows, I know there are 2 in Ohio at the end of this month, does anyone know if there are any more in the NY/ PA/ IL or the Ohio area that have been listed recently? Trying to get to see as many shows as I can for my favorite band...at least I get to see them real soon right here in Ohio!
Thanks for your time!
Later, Maria
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Should have seen it coming -- running with a fallen angel Living with a broken promise -- when the day is through Trying to make a life for us -- I only know it my way Another shadow on the highway I fade to blue Oh I fade to blue Fade to blue, fade to blue
~38 Special
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