YTSEJAM Digest 3097
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Musical Tastes and Schtuff
by ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
2) MiniDisc
by "Andrew Fors" <afors@btigate.com>
3) nyc jammers- check this out
by Thrak75@aol.com
4) Re: Is it just me or what?
by Shai Yallin <Yallin@Netvision.net.il>
5) Wanted: Majesty demo... can you dub me it? Do you want to trade ?
by "Luca Benni (studente 150 ore)" <benni@dipmat.unipg.it>
6) Re: MiniDisc
by "ÞrØgßø¥" <calfaro@caribe.net>
7) German tourdates
by Steffen Barabasch <TheMirror@westend.com>
8) Music Appreciation 101
by Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
9) Guitar Talkin'
by Bert Baldwin <rcb@vectorbd.com>
10) Re: Is it just me or what?
by Mauricio Martinez Villarreal <al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
11) Promoting DT to the guy in the bar...
by Luke <slslb@winshop.com.au>
12) Re: Is it just me or what?
by Mauricio Martinez Villarreal <al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
13) Re:
by Luke <slslb@winshop.com.au>
14) Re: Promoting DT to the guy in the bar...
by Mauricio Martinez Villarreal <al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
15) an observation
by Thrak75@aol.com
16) lies in the sand
by Chip Alexander <chips@eden.com>
17) JLMB & the FII-I&W connection
by Chip Alexander <chips@eden.com>
18)
by "Juan Fco. Quintero" <jfquintero@sysop.com.mx>
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Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 00:37:25 -0400
From: ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Musical Tastes and Schtuff
Message-ID: <19971010194215.AAA8220@sni.pananet.com>
I'd like to add a little to what Rogerio said. yes there are ppl who don't
really appreciate music very much...but that's just because they have other
interests. For example, i have very little interest for the visual arts. If
it looks nice, I'm happy with it. And yet music is pretty much my life.
So i amagine there are ppl that are the complete opposite...and others with
completely different tastes...and the 'hollow' ones that Rogerio mentioned.
So don't expect everybody to fall over for DT...they probably feel like
that with something else...maybe somebody else's music, or something
totally unassociated woth music.
Ernesto
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Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 02:06:52 -0600
From: "Andrew Fors" <afors@btigate.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: MiniDisc
Message-ID: <199710110657.BAA21617@btiserv.btigate.com>
On 10 Oct 97 at 5:07, ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
> Well I've now got my regular one-disc copy, so the question is, if I find a
> Japanese copy do I fork out for that too? Or do I rely on some kind jammer to
> post MP3s of the bonus tracks on the web so I can download them to mini-disc?
> Hmmmm...decisions...
> PS..now playing: The Yes Medley from Uncovered (downloaded off the web...I'm
> recording it on mini-disc as I type. Oh the joys of Win 95...)
Whoo hoo! Another MiniDisc owner it's hard to find another person
with a MiniDisc player! Can you e-mail me a list of good downloads
for DT so I can record to MD as well? I LOVE my MD Player! :)
Andrew Fors
afors@btigate.com
http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/2119
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Sometimes a view from sinless eyes
Centers our perspective
And pacifies our cries
Sometimes the anguish we survive
And the mysteries we nurture
Are the fabrics of our lives
"Lines in the Sand"
Dream Theater - Falling into Infinity
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Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 03:38:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: Thrak75@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: nyc jammers- check this out
Message-ID: <971011033825_1177250928@emout03.mail.aol.com>
in case anyone's interested, this was in the village voice this week:
10/14 irving plaza:
the musical box presents genesis' "selling england by the pound"
anyone heard of these guys?
ytsegoon
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david y. kobayashi
the new york law school
thrak75@aol.com
dkobayashi@nyls.edu
"better to save the mystery, than surrender to the secret." -j. petrucci
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Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 11:51:33 +0200
From: Shai Yallin <Yallin@Netvision.net.il>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Is it just me or what?
Message-ID: <343F4C25.5AA8@Netvision.net.il>
Rogerio Brito wrote:
> And there's even a killer version of "The Killing Hand" on "Live
> at the Marquee". The very *BEST* live performance that I have seen from
> LaBrie. Of course, there's a studio involved, but even then, the CD is
> cool.
>
Indeed. This version is amazing. When I heard the "when I go back
again..." part I couldn't speak. Not a single mistake in the whole
song...
Which reminds me: Have anyone noticed that in the "Live in Tokyo" video,
the very end of TTT is the 6/4 part from the end of TKH?
Bye,
--
Shai Yallin - Kurush on #YTSEJAM
"I'm American, honey. Our names don't mean shit."
- Bruce Willis on Pulp Fiction
"How can you keep your head and not go insane when the only light at the
end of the tunnel is another train" - Mike Portnoy
Visit my home page at
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palladium/3247
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Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 12:57:23 +0200 (MET DST)
From: "Luca Benni (studente 150 ore)" <benni@dipmat.unipg.it>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Wanted: Majesty demo... can you dub me it? Do you want to trade ?
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.971011125129.7563A-100000@netserver.dipmat.unipg.it>
I'm searchin some one who can dub me on tape MAJESTY demos or DT
unreleased tracks or unofficial demo or Chroma Key (Kevin Moore) songs ??
I can trade with
- some Dream Theater bootlegs
- many italian metal progs bands
- other bands like Enchant, Tiles (good!!) Stratovarious...
speed/power/prog/ old prog/ metal bands !!!!!!!!
Thanks !!!
Write to
benni@dipmat.unipg.it
Bye bye !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 07:29:38 -0400
From: "ÞrØgßø¥" <calfaro@caribe.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: MiniDisc
Message-ID: <343F6322.E1D48B68@caribe.net>
Andrew Fors wrote:
> On 10 Oct 97 at 5:07, ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
>
> Whoo hoo! Another MiniDisc owner it's hard to find another person
> with a MiniDisc player! Can you e-mail me a list of good downloads
> for DT so I can record to MD as well? I LOVE my MD Player! :)
> Andrew Fors
yes but isnt the minidisc that comes with dt's cd playable on a regular cd player?
whereas the actual "MiniDisc" is the thing that looks like a floppy?
In the stream of consciousness
There is a river crying
Living comes much easier
Once we admit , We're dying.
Dream Theater: Lines in the Sand
http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro
mailto:calfaro@caribe.net mailto:progboy@mindless.com
Universal Internet Number (ICQ) 1254229
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Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 14:52:57 +0100
From: Steffen Barabasch <TheMirror@westend.com>
To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: German tourdates
Message-ID: <yam7223.2892.137879104@aixrs1.hrz.uni-essen.de>
Hi!
>Where might I find these dates "confirmed" at? I'm not saying you're
The info came from the promotion company that also organised the mini-tour in
April. And a big Dutch promoter told ToD about the show on 12/3 and mentioned
the show on 12/4. Two different sources, so it doesn't seem to be a hoax.
>Why would they do just a few shows in the States and then head to Europe for
>awhile? It seems more efficient and intelligent to get rid of the US all at
I don't know! But I won't complain, that's for sure!
Later,
Steffen
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Steffen Barabasch - THE MIRROR TheMirror@westend.com
Deutscher Dream Theater Fanclub http://www.westend.com/TheMirror
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Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 09:31:50 -0400
From: Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Music Appreciation 101
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19971011133150.00686718@mail.ici.net>
>But on the other hand, do you think the average country
> fan really does get as much out of that music as some of us do out of DT?
Let me put this question into another scenario and see if you still agree
with it. We have two people, a computer programmer and a truck driver. Do
you think the truck driver can enjoy his work as much as the programmer can?
> Now I'm not saying that
> anyone needs to know what a quarter note is, or understand odd time-sigs or
> polyrhythms, or even really analyze the music at all, to appreciate it the
way a
> musician does. Lord knows there are thousands of musicians who know
> hundreds of times more about music theory than I do, but I wouldn't concede
> that they neccesarily get even more out of music than I do (though some of
> them probably do). But no one who listens to country or rap has ever said
> ANYTHING to me that really convinced me that it was very important to
> them at all.
And just because the internal intricasies of the music are beyond their
comprehension, the music doesn't mean as much to them?
I'm not disagreeing with your post. I'm one of those people who cannot
listen to music in the "background"; I pause the CD player when I leave the
room so I don't miss anything, even if it's a song I've heard a thousand
times before. I just think it's kind of elitist to think less of people
simply because music isn't as important to them as it is to me. Everyone has
loves in their life. I have my family, computers, and music (pretty much in
that order :)). Someone else would have a different list of things, but the
feelings they have for them could be just as strong, or *stronger*, than mine.
-----
__<psull@ici.net>__http://www.ici.net/cust_pages/psull/psull.html
IRC: DDictator
Now Playing: Nothing - Work sucks. :)
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Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 14:26:28 +0000 (UTC)
From: Bert Baldwin <rcb@vectorbd.com>
To: The YtseJam mailing list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Guitar Talkin'
Message-ID: <Pine.SCO.3.95.971011142543.7588E-100000@vectorbd.vectorbd.com>
If anyone has a copy of Guitar Talkin', send me a private e-mail. I'd
like to do some trading for it. Thanks!
-- Bert Baldwin
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Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 09:26:06 -0500 (CDT)
From: Mauricio Martinez Villarreal <al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Is it just me or what?
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.971011091946.41642B-100000@afs07.mty.itesm.mx>
On Fri, 10 Oct 1997, Rogerio Brito wrote:
>
> On Fri, 10 Oct 1997, Mauricio Martinez Villarreal wrote:
>
> > Is anyone a little bothered by some of Dominici s vocals on WDADU?
> > I mean, i like the songs he sings that Labrie hasnt sung yet. Example: I
> > find the vocals annoying in Killing hand, and a fortune in lies, but not the
> > other songs. In TKH Dominici rushes some lines and sometime his voice
> > falls out.
>
> First: James Labrie *has* sung all the songs on WDaDU. To a proof
> of this fact, I refer you to some bootlegs, especially Mike Bahr's "When
> Dream and Today Unite".
>
I meant on official releases. :)
> And there's even a killer version of "The Killing Hand" on "Live
> at the Marquee". The very *BEST* live performance that I have seen from
> LaBrie. Of course, there's a studio involved, but even then, the CD is
> cool.
>
> > Has anyone else noted this, or is it just me?
> > Mauricio
>
> Maybe you've missed some messages bashing Dominici a few 'jams
> ago... But I'd definitely love to see a re-make of WDaDU.
>
Definitly!! Tou see, i had all the official releases, and a
bootleg, but i didnt wanted to buy WDADU because some friends told me
that the singer had a horrible voice, and i was kind of waiting for a re
release with JB on vocals. As you can see, the long wait between ACoS and
FII made me buy it, and IT RULES, even though that album might be the
"immature" one.
Do you know the difference between the original release and the
one way record one?
[]s, Roger...
>
> --
> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito
> Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!"
> Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html
> "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters"
> James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters
> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>
>
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Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 00:48:40 +1000
From: Luke <slslb@winshop.com.au>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Promoting DT to the guy in the bar...
Message-ID: <343F83E2.5E4@winshop.com.au>
>You find yourself becoming really disappointed by the groups they >mention (ya know the average shitty but high selling groups), and you
>get a real resentment towards radio because DT is SO fucking >underplayed on the radio. I actually get pissed off by this. When >someone tells me how.good a group like Blurr is or Oasis, I want to >break out my collection of DT, and Mechanically restrain them to a >chair while I play EVERY fucking piece of DT material I have.
Amen brother.
Luke.
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Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 09:48:24 -0500 (CDT)
From: Mauricio Martinez Villarreal <al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Is it just me or what?
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.971011094516.41642E-100000@afs07.mty.itesm.mx>
On Sat, 11 Oct 1997, Shai Yallin wrote:
>
> Rogerio Brito wrote:
> > And there's even a killer version of "The Killing Hand" on "Live
> > at the Marquee". The very *BEST* live performance that I have seen from
> > LaBrie. Of course, there's a studio involved, but even then, the CD is
> > cool.
> >
>
> Indeed. This version is amazing. When I heard the "when I go back
> again..." part I couldn't speak. Not a single mistake in the whole
> song...
>
> Which reminds me: Have anyone noticed that in the "Live in Tokyo" video,
> the very end of TTT is the 6/4 part from the end of TKH?
>
Ohh yeah!! I just remembered now! And do you notice that in that
same video, on UaGM james skips one word in the passage that says: "i
argue with the clouds (here he stops) beauty from my eyes"
stealing
> Bye,
> --
> Shai Yallin - Kurush on #YTSEJAM
>
> "I'm American, honey. Our names don't mean shit."
> - Bruce Willis on Pulp Fiction
>
> "How can you keep your head and not go insane when the only light at the
> end of the tunnel is another train" - Mike Portnoy
>
> Visit my home page at
> http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palladium/3247
>
>
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Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 00:52:03 +1000
From: Luke <slslb@winshop.com.au>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re:
Message-ID: <343F9293.1577@winshop.com.au>
Shit Clarke, that was a long post but personally I can see exactly where
you're coming from.
DT is a style of music that you *can* get fanatical about because there
is so much more to it than just apparent emotional qualities on the
outside. DT goes deeper than that. It's like someone saying ' yeah this
song's really deep and emotional cause the lyrics are about when his
best friend died...'.
These sort of emotions and the ones we feel when we listen to DT are two
separate schools of thought altogether.
This strange phenomenal effect that DT has on all of us is the reason
why we have the JAM. It's the reason why a petition went out to get DT's
new album released, it's the reason why bootlegs are created and then
sold and traded amongst fellow DT fans, it's the reason why we have a
thousand DT fan pages on the Web. You don't see that devotion for many
other genres of music.
In my opinion however, there's no point in trying to explain these deep,
stirring-of-the-subconscious emotions into some who listens to rap or
dance or country music. If they can't hear it, (sorry, *feel* it) then
let them be. They don't know what they're missing, but you do !, and
it's from this viewpoint that most DT fans cannot help but declare
themselves superior to most eMpTyV music listeners because they believe
they can achieve more emotional qualities and spark much deeper, more
creative and artistic inspirations from DT's music.
It is hard to sit back and comprehend someone listening to DT and saying
it's crap and then turning around and listening to a Puff Daddy album or
something like that, but it's something that music of the prog. and
other related genres has always suffered from so there's really nothing
you can do to make a million Oasis fans 'see the light' and suddenly
start buying copies of Awake and I&W.
As long as we've got DT continually delivering us awe-inspiring music,
then who cares if " Hommie-G-wit'-da-flava-2-hyped-in-da-hous " doesn't
like it ?
Luke.
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Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 10:01:59 -0500 (CDT)
From: Mauricio Martinez Villarreal <al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Promoting DT to the guy in the bar...
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.971011095916.41642H-100000@afs07.mty.itesm.mx>
On Sat, 11 Oct 1997, Luke wrote:
>
> >You find yourself becoming really disappointed by the groups they >mention (ya know the average shitty but high selling groups), and you
> >get a real resentment towards radio because DT is SO fucking >underplayed on the radio. I actually get pissed off by this. When >someone tells me how.good a group like Blurr is or Oasis, I want to >break out my collection of DT, and Mechanically restrain them to a >chair while I play EVERY fucking piece of DT material I have.
>
> Amen brother.
>
Hell yeah!! i find myself promoting DT to ANYONE that hasnt heard them.
And i defend them when someone critize them, and i... shit the list goes
on and on and on.......
Mauricio
> Luke.
>
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Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 11:14:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: Thrak75@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: an observation
Message-ID: <971011111341_980190881@emout09.mail.aol.com>
if you listen verrrrrrrrrrrrry carefully to derek's part (it's really low,
mix-wise) at about 8:30 in "lines in the sand", one may say to oneself,
"hmm....this sounds curiously familiar to the keyboard part kevin played at
3:14 of '6:00'".
a variation on a theme. more than a coincidence?
ytsegoon
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david y. kobayashi
the new york law school
thrak75@aol.com
dkobayashi@nyls.edu
"i got so much trouble
on my mind
i refuse to lose.
here's your ticket- hear the drummer get wicked."
-chuck d
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Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 10:12:59 -0500
From: Chip Alexander <chips@eden.com>
To: ytseham <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: lies in the sand
Message-ID: <343F977B.10F@eden.com>
Hi
Apologies if this has already been discussed -
Does anyone think that there is a connection between the King's X song
'Lies in the sand' and LitS? The lyrics seem to be unrelated to me, but
it seems like too much of a coincidence that Doug P. sings on LitS.
--
Chip
http://www.eden.com/~chips
chips@eden.com
StckArnd@usa.net
Kuhal on irc.dreamt.org
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Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 10:38:29 -0500
From: Chip Alexander <chips@eden.com>
To: ytseham <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: JLMB & the FII-I&W connection
Message-ID: <343F9D75.2656@eden.com>
Hi again
Some thoughts about JLMB:
First, "Just close your mind you can find all you need with your eyes" -
I love that, reversing the line from TTT.
Also, at 3:39-3:41 the riff sounds to me like a snippet of the Wait for
Sleep/LtL riff; seems like Derek plays with that theme in his solo part
before then. (BTW, I hear he has a really big organ) Maybe I'm just
imagining the connection, but that's one of my fav things about DT,
their reuse of a theme in different songs. It reminds me of the echoes
of Cygnus x1 on Hemispheres.
Finally, the "Calculated, Formulated" part. I don't mean this in a bad
way at all, but feel like I'm hearing a little bit of the rap MP listens
to. I could be completely wrong, maybe it was KJLB's idea to sing that
line that way, but the way I imagine it - MP wrote those words with a
definite rhythm in mind.
this message is covered by a big IMHO, of course
--
Chip
http://www.eden.com/~chips
chips@eden.com
StckArnd@usa.net
Kuhal on irc.dreamt.org
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Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 10:46:06 -0600
From: "Juan Fco. Quintero" <jfquintero@sysop.com.mx>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971011104606.006a8708@sysop.com.mx>
Hi all!
Has anyone noticed at the beginning of Anna Lee there's a little noise on
the background? And at the final there is another noise in the background
like a typewriting machine. Play it loud so you can hear that noises!!. I
didn't find a meaning for those noises.
JFQS
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