YTSEJAM Digest 3093
Today's Topics:
1) Anna Lee lyrics
by Andrew Brodie <andrew@ames.net>
2) Savatage in VA
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
3) Jap TAMP Demo
by "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
4) RE: Savatage in VA
by "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.Belvoir.Army.Mil>
5) new Savatage cd
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
6) German Charts Update
by Coop42@aol.com
7) RE: new Savatage cd
by "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.Belvoir.Army.Mil>
8) van halen compuserve thing
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
9) Ytsejam Fantasy Basketball League
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
10) DT-Boots and stuff......
by anakata <anakata@usa.net>
11) Misheard Lyrics
by George Tryfonas <gt4@ukc.ac.uk>
12) Re: UNCLASSIFIED:-Re: Dream Theater Dates (fwd)
by Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3083
by Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
14) oops
by Andrew Moore <asmoore@bridge.anglia.ac.uk>
15) Portnoy-Tour Dates
by KyleTaraG@aol.com
16) Re: gratitude
by Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
17) DT inHolland?
by BePe <H.M.Peeters@stud.tue.nl>
18) DT
by NightCast <NightCast@usa.net>
19) Germany/US tour date conflict...
by "Adam" <alpineone@mindspring.com>
20) Stuff
by Shai Yallin <Yallin@Netvision.net.il>
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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 07:35:57 -0500
From: Andrew Brodie <andrew@ames.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Anna Lee lyrics
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19971010073554.006bd364@brain.ames.net>
>I got the impression it had something to do with child sexual
>abuse...
>Dom'ny
Same here. The first verse pretty much convinces me of that.
--Andrew
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Current Cool Quote:
"feed my head, with some real thoughts,
and let me think instead of being taught,
i'll say things you won't believe,
just stand back, just let me breathe......"
"Just Let Me Breathe" --Dream Theater
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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 08:59:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Savatage in VA
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.971010085118.12329A-100000@bdmserver>
Ok, how many other jammers besides myself and Madden from the
DC/VA/MD area will be going to the Savatage show next Saturday Oct 18?
Opening will be the jam's own Division (I guess that means Mike Blevins
will also be there...). The show is at Jaxx in Springfield. The same place
Fates played at and probably the same place DT will (hopefully...).
If you are planning to go, talk to Mike Blevins. He'll get you the
tickets without the ticketbastard fee and you will be supporting Division.
When's the other Savatage dates? Just wondering what the set list is
like. Whether there will be a lot from the new album.
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| AL East Champions Baltimore Orioles-Next step, the ALCS! |
| Washington Redskins 3-2 |
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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 06:02:08 -0700
From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
To: "'DT'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Jap TAMP Demo
Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=kbhq%l=KBHQ-971010130208Z-47901@ms.Kallback.com>
Well, I finally got the Japanese version of FII. It comes with a 3" disc
with
TAMP and Speak to Me demos.
StM is pretty good but would've been my least favorite track had
it been on FII. Definately a b-side, imho.
Some differences in TAMP demo:
1. Slower, therefore longer. 6:50 vs 6:03
2. No intro of counting, shaker and tom drums.
Just starts cold with vox and acoustic guitar.
3. An extra line in the bridge, "There'll be no encore after all".
4. A different 3rd verse altogether,
"I was sitting on the edge my bed,
staring at the paper through my tears,
It read "Say Goodbye to Jesus"
The world he left will never be the same." (I made up the puntuation)
5. an extra guitar part (sounds like it's done with that thingie you put
on the strings to keep
them going. I'n not a guitarist) after the first chorus.
6.A fade out that sounds like a music box.
7.James uses a lot more vibrato, hits a high note on the last "Anymore"
and throws in a "Whoaohoh" somewhere, I forgot.
8. Overall, it's heavier especially the keyboards and has less of a
"Living Years"
sound to it.
I'm sure there's more but that's all I could think of right now.
Trevor
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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 09:05:04 -0400
From: "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.Belvoir.Army.Mil>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: RE: Savatage in VA
Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=AMSC%l=AMSC_NTAS-971010130504Z-16919@amsc_ntas.amsc.belvoir.army.mil>
>Ok, how many other jammers besides myself and Madden from the
>DC/VA/MD area will be going to the Savatage show next Saturday Oct 18?
>Opening will be the jam's own Division (I guess that means Mike Blevins
>will also be there...). The show is at Jaxx in Springfield. The same place
>Fates played at and probably the same place DT will (hopefully...).
The Savatage mailing list is also having a pre - show at the Franconia
Pizza (right next to Jaxx). If enough 'jammers are going, maybe we
should have one too...
>
>If you are planning to go, talk to Mike Blevins. He'll get you the
>tickets without the ticketbastard fee and you will be supporting Division.
You know, I don't need to advertise on this list at all with Pat around.
Us Ytsejam - fantasy - football - league - bottomdwelling types have to
stick together... :)
>
>When's the other Savatage dates? Just wondering what the set list is
>like. Whether there will be a lot from the new album.
I've heard they're playing THE WHOLE THING. Should be interesting, but
we won't know until Friday or so - this is one of THREE dates on this
warm up tour...
Mike
>
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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 09:16:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: new Savatage cd
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.971010091421.12329B-100000@bdmserver>
I was thinking about the reason why they aren't releasing the new cd and
it doesn't make sense.
Most Savatage fans already have TSO and aren't going to buy it again anyway.
Therefore the record company will be getting no money until January.
Makes you wonder how record companies even survive with their thinking...
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| AL East Champions Baltimore Orioles-Next step, the ALCS! |
| Washington Redskins 3-2 |
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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 09:12:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: Coop42@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: German Charts Update
Message-ID: <971010091140_172721375@emout20.mail.aol.com>
Hi everybody,
FII has fallen from number 9 to 29... Time to release the Hollow Years
single!
Waiting for the German tour,
Andreas Berger
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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 09:18:44 -0400
From: "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.Belvoir.Army.Mil>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: RE: new Savatage cd
Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=AMSC%l=AMSC_NTAS-971010131844Z-16943@amsc_ntas.amsc.belvoir.army.mil>
>I was thinking about the reason why they aren't releasing the new cd and
>it doesn't make sense.
>
>Most Savatage fans already have TSO and aren't going to buy it again anyway.
>Therefore the record company will be getting no money until January.
The reason I got was, since there are no bonus tracks or anything, the
label in Japan wanted the time to sell the domestic version of it,
without the US import undercutting the price. Japan is evidently a big
'Tage market.
And, as usual, we get screwed because of it.
>
>Makes you wonder how record companies even survive with their thinking...
It's Atlantic. They've been doing this shit for years...
Mike
>
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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 09:31:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: van halen compuserve thing
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.971010093049.12329C-100000@bdmserver>
Why was this Eddie compuserve thing posted to the list?
It seems to be years outdated.
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| AL East Champions Baltimore Orioles-Next step, the ALCS! |
| Washington Redskins 3-2 |
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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 09:34:49 -0400 (EDT)
From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Ytsejam Fantasy Basketball League
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.971010093414.12626A-100000@bdmserver>
The Ytsejam Fantasy Basketball League at espn.com is up and running. The
draft is slated for Oct 29.
If you are interested in joining then go to http://espn.com and purchase
a team. After you have a team join the group "Ytsejam Fantasy Basketball
Leag." the password is "majesty". Then you have until Oct 29 to get your
draft lists set up.
Any questions let me know.
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| AL East Champions Baltimore Orioles-Next step, the ALCS! |
| Washington Redskins 3-2 |
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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 97 09:46:00 -0400
From: anakata <anakata@usa.net>
To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: DT-Boots and stuff......
Message-ID: <19971010134426.9359.qmail@dns01.ops.usa.net>
Hi there DT folks.....
Good to hear that the Tourdates are on their way...We wouldn=B4t =
wanna miss out on them now do we??
And hey......If you=B4re under age in the U.S (To see a show), why =
not come to Sweden, Germany or anywhere else where they might play on =
a NON-ALCOHOL-SELLING Club.......???? Ok...Don=B4t take this too =
serious ok...Just thought I=B4d add something....=3D)
Are there any cool DT boots or Fates Warning out there that I can =
maybe trade for a great Savatage Video boot I have. Let me know Ok??
Oh hey.....Every ytsejammer with a DT or Savatage page or =
related...Why not join my SAVATAGE WEBRING.
I have it all set up and ready to get joined in at this address......
http://hem.passagen.se/nanne/ring.html
Ok....Hopefully SOMEONE will join eventually.....=3D)
Bye for now........
Nanne Andersson (Maintainer of Web Winter Dead - A Tribute To =
Savatage)
=
(http://hem.passagen.se/nanne)
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"Faded, faded, fell from the sky below.
Faded, faded, from the sky you know.
Hover, hummingbird, UFO, beautiful."
(Psychotic Waltz)
savafan@usa.net
http://hem.passagen.se/nanne
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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 14:45:01 +0100 (BST)
From: George Tryfonas <gt4@ukc.ac.uk>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Misheard Lyrics
Message-ID: <SIMEON.9710101401.A@pcecp013.ukc.ac.uk>
Here's another one to add to the Misheard Lyrics list at
the FAQ:
"She shuts the doors and lights the laser body on the bed,
with Images and Words a remedy." in place of "She shuts the
doors and lights and lays her body on the bed, where Images
and Words are running deep."
George
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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 10:25:59 -0400
From: Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: UNCLASSIFIED:-Re: Dream Theater Dates (fwd)
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971010102559.01129d50@sol.eng.fore.com>
>KAI continued his whinge-a-thon about the fan club:
>
>>Fuck the fan club. We have over 1000 people talking about Dream Theater
>every single day >of the year, including Christmas. Now that's a fan club.
>I don't need to send someone my >$15 to hear about DT 4 times a year.
>
>Nah, FUCK YOU, don't join the fan club don't get the CD and stop fucking
>bitching about it
>you fucking cry baby whinging pillowbiting git.
>
>Don't complain when you miss out again on the FC CD this year.
>Now do you want me to send you a box of tissues ?
>
>gRaham_
>
>PS Jason, where's 'the finger' when I need it ?
>:)
Hey Graham,
What's your attachment to the fan club? I'm just trying to make the point
that the ytsejam was around before the fan club, and we talk about DT
everyday, not just 4 times a year. I'm sticking up for a group that you're
a part of, and instead of arguing logically, you throw insults at me. FUCK
YOU and your tissues. I never attacked you personally, so why should I get
the Hartman finger? If anyone deserves it, its you. You made it a
personal battle.
KAI
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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 10:38:14 -0400
From: Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3083
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971010103814.009de9c0@sol.eng.fore.com>
At 06:19 PM 10/8/97 -0700, you wrote:
>
>Someone (dunno who, pulled it from D-Man's response) inquired thusly:
>
>> Is Roundtable still managing DT, and if not, who is?
>
>No. When Jim Pitulski, their previous manager, parted ways with them
>about two years ago, he took Round Table Entertainment with him. There
>were some legal battles going on about it -- I'm not sure if they've been
>completely resolved yet. Rob Shore took over as their manager when Jim
>left; I don't know if he still is.
>
I don't think that's correct. When Jim left, I'm pretty sure that
Roundtable stayed with Rob Shore, and with DT. As a matter of fact, I
called them the day we heard the news to see if I could get an official
statement from Rob about the split, but a secretary told me they weren't
prepared for that yet. But she definitely answered "Roundtable" and Rob
was still the exec. Things may be drastically different now.
KAI
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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 15:40:08 +0100 ()
From: Andrew Moore <asmoore@bridge.anglia.ac.uk>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: oops
Message-ID: <SIMEON.9710101508.G@btc-pc1.abs.anglia.ac.uk>
oops. I posted my message eerlier and forgot to comment on this. Sorry,
Graham, if you think I'm repeating you. :)
> Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 12:18:38 +0100 ()
> From: Andrew Moore <asmoore@bridge.anglia.ac.uk>
> Subject: various replies
> Actually, DT did two full UK tours back in 1993 (for I&W, and then for
> LATM). They went all over England, Scotland and Wales (I got to see them
> in both Glasgow and Edinburgh).
> Sadly, though, the UK tour for Awake only consisted of a solitary show
> in London.
I only got into DT in Aug. 93 when I heard Surrounded (LATM vers) on the Metal
CD magazine free disc. So I was probably unaware of the tours at that point.
Knackers. Wish I'd known. How did the tours go then? Packed out? No-one
turn up? Mabye that's why they can't be arsed to tour the UK again.
Andy
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Andrew Moore, IT Adviser
Anglia Business School,
Anglia Polytechnic University,
Cambridge, UK
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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 10:45:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: KyleTaraG@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Portnoy-Tour Dates
Message-ID: <971010104302_815286193@emout14.mail.aol.com>
Finally, some official word on the tour.....
Keep your eyes on the -rsabbs.com/dt- page....Mike P. will be posting the
tour dates over the next day or so......Yeah Baby!
-Kyle
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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 10:54:13 -0400
From: Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: gratitude
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971010105413.0112bc70@sol.eng.fore.com>
>Beisdes, 15$ for a newsletter AND a CD? Why complain?
After seeing about 1000 of these types of replies to my posts, I must
question what I wrote, or what you're reading. Now mind you, it's 2 days
after I wrote the original posts, and I was pretty fired up then. Now, I'm
calm and collected, and just reading all the replies to my thoughts. The
most common response is "Kai, you're a cheapskate if you can't shell out
$15 for the fan club."
You guys are seriously missing the point. Sure, I can afford $15. And
yeah, I'll probably join the fan club just to get this year's little bonus.
The real point however, is that I feel we are the fan club. But I can't
get any of you to agree with me. Maybe most of you haven't been on here
long enough to remember the days when the ytsejam always had a leg up on
anyone else. I don't feel that's the case anymore, and my posts were
supposed to muster the enthusiasm to get us back to that status. If you're
not interested in that, then I have to say that I'm surprised and
disappointed.
That's it. It was never really about the $15, but the recognition. I
don't know what more I can say, except that the new asshole that Graham
tore me, hurts like a bitch. Thanks man.
KAI
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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 17:15:36 +0200
From: BePe <H.M.Peeters@stud.tue.nl>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT inHolland?
Message-ID: <343E4698.39BD@stud.tue.nl>
Who mantioned a DT show in Holland? Please give me some info on that.
Thanx in advance, BePe.
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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 10:09:25 -0600
From: NightCast <NightCast@usa.net>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: DT
Message-ID: <01BCD55C.079BF4A0@tron>
What the hell is everyone bitching about DT's management for? I'm getting
the impression people are looking for someone to yell at/blame for some
reason or another. Seriously, guys.. DT's record label RELEASED their CD,
is scheduling tour dates for them, and hasn't dropped them. If you ask me,
that's PRETTY damn good. If I was spiteful, I'd suggest that the fool who
posted DT's manager's phone number should have his phone number posted and
have everyone call him telling him to grow up. Or hey, why don't we post
JP's phone number and have everyone call him up telling him we want more
music. I'm sure that would help. I can understand writing to people who
aren't paying any attention to DT (Letteman, radio stations, etc.) But
calling the people who're feeding DT and telling them we want more? Ugh!
People who are bitching because the Ytsejammers weren't mentioned in the
liners? Hey, get off your fucking soap box, buy ACoS, blow it up to poster
size at Kinko's and hang it on your damn wall, okay? For me, getting new
DT material is reward enough.
(a pissed at the idiots on the Ytsejam 'jammer)
-James
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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 11:31:36 -0400
From: "Adam" <alpineone@mindspring.com>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Germany/US tour date conflict...
Message-ID: <01bcd591$986bb120$35ae45cf@wingate.mindspring.com>
>I just got some confirmed tourdates for Germany!
>2.12. Offenbach, Stadthalle
>4.12. Bonn, Biskuithalle
>7.12. Hamburg, Docks
>I don't think they come over here for three dates in Germany and one in
>Holland, so keep your eyes open, maybe there will be some more shows.
Italy?
Where might I find these dates "confirmed" at? I'm not saying you're
incorrect, but I've heard of other locations during these dates. If the
Cnotes page is to be believed 12/2 is Atlanta and 12/4 is the House of Blues
in Myrtle Beach. I'd have to say these US dates seem a bit more viable.
Why would they do just a few shows in the States and then head to Europe for
awhile? It seems more efficient and intelligent to get rid of the US all at
once, or at least do a major leg of the tour here, and then head to Europe,
Japan, Australia, or whereever... Take care...
________________________________
Adam Pye (Alpine)
alpineone@mindspring.com
http://www.mindspring.com/~alpineone
(Above URL for bootlist w/ setlists.)
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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 17:29:00 +0200
From: Shai Yallin <Yallin@Netvision.net.il>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Stuff
Message-ID: <343E49BC.79ED@Netvision.net.il>
Ryan P. Skadberg wrote:
> If you wanna complain for
> some reason, complain to me, I have links to the band and management
> and I will make sure any complaints are addressed.
>
> Skadz
Hi Skadz,
Well this ain't a complaint but you DO have connections to the band, and
since no one has responded to me post to the jam, here it goes:
I think now's the time to contact the managment/band/Elektra about the
band coming to Israel during the Europian tour.
So, if you have the time, please ask them to stop by in the way to Japan
or something ok? I think at least 800 ppl will come to a show and since
they're playing 200 ppl clubs in the states I think they won't mind a
small audience...
Thanx in advance,
--
Shai Yallin - Kurush on #YTSEJAM
"I'm American, honey. Our names don't mean shit."
- Bruce Willis on Pulp Fiction
"How can you keep your head and not go insane when the only light at the
end of the tunnel is another train" - Mike Portnoy
Visit my home page at
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palladium/3247
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