YTSEJAM Digest 3092
Today's Topics:
1) Setlist
by "Andrew Fors" <afors@btigate.com>
2) TOUR DATES SOON
by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
3) Over 21...
by Lars Hellsten <lhellste@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca>
4) Space-Dye Web Page
by "Andrew Fors" <afors@btigate.com>
5) Virtual Piano?
by "Andrew Fors" <afors@btigate.com>
6) Where Are You Now?
by djw_at_neon@smtpgate.walker.com
7) Anna Lee lyrics
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
8) Re: Where Are You Now?
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
9) Re: Savatage
by Jan Ziese <jzi@star-ag.ch>
10) NEW UNCONFIRMED SO CAL DATE
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
11) TOURDATES GERMANY/thank you?
by Steffen Barabasch <TheMirror@westend.com>
12) DT in german Charts
by "Till Wagner" <twagner@artifex.de>
13) You're forgetting one important song for a COMPLETE songlist
by JE78674@ltu.edu
14) James is not anti-internet
by durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
15) various replies
by Andrew Moore <asmoore@bridge.anglia.ac.uk>
16) German Charts
by Markus Tenberge <markus.tenberge@rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>
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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 00:44:37 -0600
From: "Andrew Fors" <afors@btigate.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Setlist
Message-ID: <199710100536.AAA17430@btiserv.btigate.com>
Justfor shits anf giggles, I'll post my setlist too:
1. Wait for Sleep into Learning to Live
2. You Not Me
3. Another Hand-The Killing Hand
4. YtseJam
5. Space-Dye Vest(First time for everyhting, right?)
6. Metropolis Pt. 1 (and 2?)
7. Only a Matter of Time/Tyrant March
8. Lines in the Sand
9. Burning My Soul w/ Hell's Kitchen, as originaly written
10. Caught in Alice's Nine-Inch Tool Garden
12. Eve
13. Surrounded
Encore: Pull Me Under
That's just my opinion. :)
Andrew Fors
afors@btigate.com
http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/2119
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Sometimes a view from sinless eyes
Centers our perspective
And pacifies our cries
Sometimes the anguish we survive
And the mysteries we nurture
Are the fabrics of our lives
"Lines in the Sand"
Dream Theater - Falling into Infinity
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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 01:53:54 -0400
From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: TOUR DATES SOON
Message-ID: <199710100553.BAA30764@tx.cs.wm.edu>
Hey, folks. Yeah, it's true. I just got e-mail from The Man, and here's a
snippet:
------- Forwarded Message
I have a few days off and then we begin rehearsals for the DT tour....(I'll
send out the dates to our web page tonight or tomorrow....www.rsabbs.com/dt)
Carpe Diem,
Mike Portnoy
------- End of Forwarded Message
So, hold your horses, cause the OFFICIAL TOUR DATES will be on the rsabbs page
soon!
-Chris
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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 02:19:35 -0400
From: Lars Hellsten <lhellste@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Over 21...
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19691231190000.00793c10@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca>
>Sure, Im 17, but it doesnt mean Im a moron and that I dont love Dream
>Theater enough to want to see them live. I already have, actually, when I
Umm... newsflash... club owners don't give a shit how big a DT fan you are!
If you're not legal, then you're not going to be buying drinks. So why
should they let under-21 people in, when they could let in 21+ people
instead and make more money? It's a cruel world... but you know what? I
don't give a shit (whoa, cool... DT lyrics...) because I just turned 19
(which makes me legal where *I* live)! Bwahahah! And look on the bright
side - those of us who are of age won't have to wear silly wristbands. :)
Seriously though, it sucks, but what can you do? I was worried DT would
tour before I turnd 19 and I wouldn't get to see them for another few
years, but I guess I'm lucky it took so long in getting the album recorded.
Fortunately I've never ended up missing a show I really wanted to see
because I was underage (I only got into DT like 2 months after they last
played a show here...)
>Anyone have any good ideas on how we younger Jammers can get to see the
>guys? The House of Blues is 21 and over... Doh!
There's something I don't understand... in the US, most people start
college at 18, right? So logically shouldn't that be the legal drinking
age? :)
** Lars Hellsten <lhellste@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca> **
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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 02:02:06 -0600
From: "Andrew Fors" <afors@btigate.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Space-Dye Web Page
Message-ID: <199710100652.BAA21009@btiserv.btigate.com>
Hello fellow Jammers! I'd like to announce mynew Web Site, the
Space-Dye Web Page! It's new and under heavy daily contruction, but
it's there! I'd like all you Jammers to drop by and for you
webmasters, please add me to you links, I'll be working on my links
section soon! Also, coud SOMEBODY in the Lifting Shadows off a Dream
WebRing PLEASE add me into the ring? I've asked liek 4 people already
and been denied. Thanks!
http://houdini.bsc.nodak.edu/~fors/DreamTheater
Andrew Fors
afors@btigate.com
http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/2119
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Sometimes a view from sinless eyes
Centers our perspective
And pacifies our cries
Sometimes the anguish we survive
And the mysteries we nurture
Are the fabrics of our lives
"Lines in the Sand"
Dream Theater - Falling into Infinity
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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 02:09:06 -0600
From: "Andrew Fors" <afors@btigate.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Virtual Piano?
Message-ID: <199710100659.BAA21322@btiserv.btigate.com>
I know this is a bad place to ask this, but does anybody out there
know of a shareware/freeware virtual piano type thing that really
sounds like a piano? Preferably one that can also be programmed to
play? I don't ask much, do I?<G> Thanks!
Andrew Fors
afors@btigate.com
http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/2119
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Sometimes a view from sinless eyes
Centers our perspective
And pacifies our cries
Sometimes the anguish we survive
And the mysteries we nurture
Are the fabrics of our lives
"Lines in the Sand"
Dream Theater - Falling into Infinity
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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 97 08:03:16 -0800
From: djw_at_neon@smtpgate.walker.com
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Where Are You Now?
Message-ID: <9710108764.AA876467565@smtpgate.walker.com>
Hi,
Does anyone have a Studio/Demo MP3 of "Where Are You Now"?
I have a version at the end of my Fix Boot, but it sounds like a Jam
session - there is a small crowd by the sound of it and James is still
talking about something when the band start playing. Is this the only
version? - I feel very privileged to have this but I was hoping for
something with better quality sound.
Thanx in advance,
Dave (a UK Jammer).
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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 05:53:39 -0300 (EST)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Anna Lee lyrics
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.971010055045.5867B-100000@hoare.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Thu, 9 Oct 1997, Parker wrote:
> I got the impression it had something to do with child sexual
> abuse...
Indeed, it seems that Anna Lee is about a girl who is forced
to be a prostitute and how these facts influence her personality (the
lyrics seem to be about someone discussing her future, her thoughts).
> Dom'ny
[]s, Roger...
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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 05:59:09 -0300 (EST) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Where Are You Now? Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.971010055653.5867D-100000@hoare.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Fri, 10 Oct 1997 djw_at_neon@smtpgate.walker.com wrote:
> Does anyone have a Studio/Demo MP3 of "Where Are You Now"? > > I have a version at the end of my Fix Boot, but it sounds like a Jam > session - there is a small crowd by the sound of it and James is still > talking about something when the band start playing. Is this the only > version? - I feel very privileged to have this but I was hoping for > something with better quality sound.
The version in "Guitar Talkin'" does have the crowd, but not James talking about something when the band start playing. And the sound quality is not that bad. I'd rank it with the same quality than "To Live Forever" in Mike Bahr's "When Dream and Today Unite".
> Thanx in advance, > > Dave (a UK Jammer).
Hope this helps, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 97 10:28:54 +0100 From: Jan Ziese <jzi@star-ag.ch> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Savatage Message-ID: <9710100928.AA24404@star2.star-ag.ch>
>Anyone heard the new Savatage album yet? Seth
> >Hey all! > Does anyone have info on the new Savatage? Like has it been >released in the US? I saw an import of it, but I'm less than willing to >spend $35 on these guys right now. Any info by private mail would be >appreciated! >Andrew Forcier
Seth, Andrew:
Don't know if anybody already answered this one. Anyway, the new Savatage is called 'The Wake of Magellan'. Once more, it's a concept album. As it was with the last release 'Dead winter dead', the booklet contains a little story which gives you the context of the songs.
The CD simply is a masterpiece. They are great songwriters and great musicians. The CD combines the rock opera feeling of 'Streets' with the unequivocal, independent style that only Savatage plays as can be heared on 'Dead winter dead'. It's my favourite 'Tage CD with 'Streets' being a very close second. It's the best CD that I've heared for a very, very long time. And it's pretty long, too, must have something like 65 mins. playing time. Can't double check that right now since I am at work here (and should be WORKING instead of reading the Jam, but who cares...)
Problem is that the CD so far has not been released in the US. That's because, as you might know, some of the 'Tage-Members also have a side project called 'Trans Sibirian Orchestra', which is about to release a new CD, too. They don't want to put two CDs out at the same time in the US, in order to avoid time problems when it comes to promoting the CDs (touring, TV appearances etc.). In my opinion they should have postponed the TSO-release (but who cares for my opinion), because it simply cannot be any better than 'TWoM'. Anyway, 'Wake of Magellan' will be released in the US in December or January. So it's not necessary to spend 35 bucks on an import. But I can tell ya it's worth to be very, very impatient for the US-release, because this is ONE GREAT CD.
Jan (Just another 'Tage-loving maniac) ================================================================== = Jan Ziese = Tel.: +49 (0) 7738 / 99 858 = jzi@star-ag.ch = ==================================================================
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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 02:16:15 -0700 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: NEW UNCONFIRMED SO CAL DATE Message-ID: <199710100916.CAA21620@gms.gmsnet.com>
Alright...
>From a close and very reliable source of mine... Dream Theater will most likely be playing Southern California at the Showcase Theater which will be ALL AGES. Stay tuned for a date!
-The Doc
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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 11:38:35 +0200 From: Steffen Barabasch <TheMirror@westend.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: TOURDATES GERMANY/thank you? Message-ID: <343DF795.799651D2@westend.com>
Oh shit...
If you want some really big thanks lists, look into the Awake booklet. This time they wanted to keep it short, so where's the problem? The ytsejam got an extra special thanks in the ACOS liners already, I guess many people who did more for the band got less, so stop complaining!
Anyway...
I just got some confirmed tourdates for Germany!
2.12. Offenbach, Stadthalle 4.12. Bonn, Biskuithalle 7.12. Hamburg, Docks
I don't think they come over here for three dates in Germany and one in Holland, so keep your eyes open, maybe there will be some more shows. Italy?
Later,
Steffen
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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 11:58:42 +0000 From: "Till Wagner" <twagner@artifex.de> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: DT in german Charts Message-ID: <199710100958.LAA23455@artifex.de>
Hi everyone,
I just want to mention that Dream Theater have entered the german CD-Charts at position 9. Last week Savatage entered at 11, so who is still believing that metal is dead????
C-Ya tw
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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 06:02:44 -0400 (EDT) From: JE78674@ltu.edu To: YTSEJAM@ax.com Subject: You're forgetting one important song for a COMPLETE songlist Message-ID: <01IOMQL0BEYG93606U@LTU.EDU>
SCARRED......my personal favorite DT song. I have it on bootleg, but I would love to hear it live. IMHO, possibly one of the best pieces of music DT has ever written.
See you at the show,
Jeff E.
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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 03:46:30 -0700 (MST) From: durnik <durnik@goodnet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: James is not anti-internet Message-ID: <199710101046.DAA14383@goodnet.com>
OK, let's make sure this is known. James is not anti-internet. He explained this to a bunch of us during the HFTH shows. He was very unsure how to handle the extreme amounts of fan attention early in his career with DT. For the Japanese fans were very polite and distant, almost _too_ respectful, the American fans were very average, and the European fans were VERY hard-core fans, and he said he had a difficult time escaping their constant attention and demands for conversation, pictures, information, etc. He said some of them wouldn't even let him have 10 minutes of peace to go to the restroom! :) And right during this time, he began to understand the Jam and the volume of "private" information and "blunt" opinions on the net really rubbed the salt in his wounds, so to speak. So he was even MORE reclusive for a while. But then, as his interest in the Net began to grow and his backstage appearances were becoming a bit more routine and easier to handle, and he lightened up A LOT. Ask anyone that saw him at the Birch Hill show, telling a guard to go ahead and let a bootlegger finish his tape (from the middle of the floor), and he was very congenial after those shows. He even later said that the 1996 European tour was much easier to deal with, because he was ready for the great amount of attention and he knew how to deal with it a little better. So I guess the last thing we have to berate James about is the language thing. I don't think it's fair for the fans to expect him to know a lot of languages, other than English and French (since he is Canadian), and he might not be good at listening to accents, like some people are. So if someone talks to him in Italian or Spanish, should he act like he understands and then just not reply? I guess his current response is probably the best possible one in a situation where there are few good answers. I suppose he could be a bit more gentle with it, though. :)
So no, James is not anti-bootleg either. He does have a problem with some of the italian boot companies "not representing the band's integrity very well". I gave him complimentary copies of some of mine, but I never heard what he thought of them. I guess the fact that I'm still allowed to continue is evidence that he didn't _hate_ them, at least. :)
-Mike Bahr-durnik@_goodnet.com-http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik/
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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 12:18:38 +0100 () From: Andrew Moore <asmoore@bridge.anglia.ac.uk> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: various replies Message-ID: <SIMEON.9710101238.D@btc-pc1.abs.anglia.ac.uk>
Actually, DT did two full UK tours back in 1993 (for I&W, and then for LATM). They went all over England, Scotland and Wales (I got to see them in both Glasgow and Edinburgh).
Sadly, though, the UK tour for Awake only consisted of a solitary show in London.
Hi jammers,
>> How on earth did people get access to these songs (CME and WAYN)? They are
> I don't know about CME, but I have Where Are You Now on a boot CD, > along with Raise the Knife (the long version, not the 3 min version). :-) > You can get more information on <www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html> :-)
Really? I have RTK on tagged on the end of my Fix For 96 CD (taken from a Portnoy Clinic, I think). I also have a CD called 'Stranger Than Fiction' with all sorts of stuff on - anybody got any info on it (it's origin, etc.)?
> I was a bit surprised -- but not devastated -- that we weren't > mentioned within FII <snip>
It states in the FII booklet "A very special thanks to our family and friends and TO ALL DREAM THEATER FANS AROUND THE WORLD". I take it this includes Jammers, members of the fan club and all others without SPECIFICS. You can't expect them to include thanks to Ytsejam members on every release. We've had our five minutes of fame in the ACOS booklet - let them thank who they like and be grateful they mentioned us at all in the last release. > This is my first post to the Jam, so I'm just going to say a few things I > have been thinking of for the past week. I love FII, just like all the rest > of the DT albums. I consider DT a prog band, don't you? FII sounds like they > have progressed. It still sounds like DT, but different from their earlier > stuff.
I found a copy of FII in my local store yesterday (I was *VERY* surprised, considering they told me that the box containing the FII CD I had ordered from Holland had "gone missing" in transit, and they now wouldn't be getting it. Turns out the box turned up a week late.) My thoughts were after listening to it full, that it had a very I&W feel to it, with a kick-ass 8-minute opener, and a long, lots-of-stuff-going-on-and-totally-cool closer, much like I&W, with a good mix of ballads and heavier, more DT-like stuff inbetween. I agree, they have progressed and it will be interesting to see where they go next. > You mean Consett?( if my memory serves me right) Yeah, in that > case you're right :-)
Well, well! If it ain't Gary! You still lurking? I'm surprised you remember me, considering I haven't posted in over a year! I'm now living in Cambridge, so I'll try and catch a London show.
> They might play Edinburgh again but its a bit of a hike.
Slightly! Be worth it though.
>> Has any copies of the Japanese FII made it to the UK yet? Anybody seen >> one? >> I'm off to London this weekend so I hope to find a copy.
> Well i got one on order but no sign of it yet( also waiting for a US > promo copy of FII that IS on its way :-) )
Well I've now got my regular one-disc copy, so the question is, if I find a Japanese copy do I fork out for that too? Or do I rely on some kind jammer to post MP3s of the bonus tracks on the web so I can download them to mini-disc? Hmmmm...decisions...
> Windows in Newcastle have the US version in stock for 17.49ukp > which is a fucking disgrace but this seems to be the norm in the UK > :-(
I bought the Dutch version from Parrot Records in Cambridge for 12.99UKP (any Cambridge jammers lurking out there take note! - I know I've spotted on guy in Cambridge with an Awake shirt on...are you on the jam? Mail me if you are!). But I agree...17.49 is a bit shitty.
Happy Jamming!
Andy.
PS..now playing: The Yes Medley from Uncovered (downloaded off the web...I'm recording it on mini-disc as I type. Oh the joys of Win 95...)
----------------------------------------- Andrew Moore, IT Adviser Dept. Of European Business Economics Anglia Polytechnic University, Cambridge -----------------------------------------
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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 13:43:05 -0100 From: Markus Tenberge <markus.tenberge@rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: German Charts Message-ID: <199710101149.EAA29226@odin.ax.com>
Hi all,
for everyone who's interested in: DT's FII is on position 9 in the actual german album-charts (from the 6th of october). And the german market is one of the biggest ... :-)))
Anybody heard about a confirmation of the concert in Bonn/Germany (4th of dec.)?
M. _____
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