YTSEJAM Digest 3089
Today's Topics:
1) Chicago HoB questions answered
by Chris Ptacek <someone@prognosis.com>
2) How can join the fan-club?
by "Peter Tatischev" <tatisch@glasnet.ru>
3) RE: Recognition for Ytsejammers
by "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.Belvoir.Army.Mil>
4) RE: Is that guy wearing a blouse????
by "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.Belvoir.Army.Mil>
5) RE: Update lemur Voice homepage
by "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.Belvoir.Army.Mil>
6) Oooops...
by "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.Belvoir.Army.Mil>
7) RE: 21+ because of alcohol? No way!
by "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.Belvoir.Army.Mil>
8) Yes News Bulliten (Thanks Neil!!)
by Ryan Good <rtgood@students.wisc.edu>
9) YTSEJAM digest 3088 -Reply
by Steven Jacobsen <jacobssa@hqamc.safb.af.mil>
10) Transcribing
by "John Gilbert" <cosmicsea@hotmail.com>
11) meshuggah
by
12) Re: various comments
by Gary Cleghorn <gary@tequila.demon.co.uk>
13) RE: 21+ because of alcohol? No way!
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
14) 21+ because of alcohol? No way!
by Paul Goracke <pgor@netcom.com>
15) Ottawa--->Toronto
by Nicolas Drouin <dron01@UQAH.UQuebec.CA>
16) Re: Once Again...
by Gary Cleghorn <gary@tequila.demon.co.uk>
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Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 15:56:31 -0500
From: Chris Ptacek <someone@prognosis.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Chicago HoB questions answered
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19971009205631.00cc87a8@pop.enteract.com>
>From: VAIMAN <vaiman@mindspring.com>
>Subject: attn ATLANTA or CHICAGO DT FANS.
>
>Any FANS in Chicago or that are going...have a open space in a room? Just
>wondering.
>I will bring the party supplies! :)
I can make arrangements for people to get free lodgings. SOMEWHAT
limitted (I can't get more than say... 6 people at my place comfortably...
but I have friends and other options to get you or anyone in need a place to
crash. I just need some advance warning.
> If I do go to Chicago...I WANNA GET BACKSTAGE!! ANYONE help??
HoB doesn't have a backstage area for this stuff. There are two
possibilities... VIP seating (I have limitted access... I may be getting
myself and my GF VIP seats, but can't get extras) and perhaps an aftershow
(which, in Chicago, generally means they kick everyone out, and those with
special passes get to hang out for an hour or so with the band). In any
event, I would definitly count on being able to meet the band or some
members of the band after they come outside. They've come out to sign
autographs after both shows I've seen in Chicago (The Vic).
>From: Matt Stanich <mwstanic@mtu.edu>
>Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3079
>
>Hello All-
>
>I have a question about the House of Blues show in Chicago. Has anyone
>been to this venue before? How do the ticket sales work? I saw standing
>room only on the Ticketbasterd web page. I guess what I'm asking is if I
>buy a ticket am I assured of getting in, or do you only get in if you
>have a ticket and there is enough room? Since I will be driving many
>hours to see this I want to be sure.
>jpwalkowicz@pfrem.purdue.edu
>Oh shit, it said that?! I just got mine yesterday and she told
>me that the tickets were all general admission.....do we have a
>confirmation from any Chicago based fans?
It's like any other show DT will play on this tour. There's a set
number of tickets available, and they're all for general admission (Standing
room only, unless you grab a bar stool). If you have a ticket, and an ID,
and you don't trip and hit your head and have to be taken to a hospital...
you will get in. They don't mean "Standing room is all that's left". That
means unless you have VIPs or Backstage (which may not even exist here) the
closer you are to the front of the line on your way in the door means the
closer your be to the stage. HoB is not small, but it ain't huge. Should be
a good show.
Finally: This is an 18+ show. HoB is not gonna bend unless all you
>18 jammers pound the hell out of them. Chances are, they still won't bend.
BUT, DT will be playing Milwaukee most likely, and that show may be all
ages.... they may play St. Louis, and they may even hit Chicago again if
this show sells out. Keep in mind also that it has happenened in the past
(Several times) that a band sells out a venue early, and they decide to
change venues to accomodate more people. They could move up to the Vic, the
Riv, or the Aragon here in Chicago... you never know.
Those of you under 21 in areas that are only getting 21+ shows: I
think it's safe to say DT will be playing a couple more shows on this tour.
They may do a full circle and play the same areas more than once. You will
probably get a chance to see them in one way or another. I'm not 21 (13
months to go!) either... I just got lucky with the 18+ show.
Take care, and please feel free to mail me with any questions about the
Chicago show...
Christopher W. Ptacek
IRC: Madsman
Tech Support
EnterAct, L.L.C.
http://www.enteract.com
http://www.prognosis.com/madsman
"You can be a dreamer
You can be your dream come true
Let imagination lead
Reality will follow through" - Michael Hedges
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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 01:01:53 +0300
From: "Peter Tatischev" <tatisch@glasnet.ru>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: How can join the fan-club?
Message-ID: <m0xJPd6-001A9dN@mail.glas.apc.org>
Heya, jammers!!
Can anybody help me - I want to join the fan club - do they have
an e-mail address or a web-site...
If you know anything about that, PLEEAASE mail me!!!
Thanks in advance....
=======================================
Untie these strings, I'm climbing down
I won't let them push me away
Change Of Seasons, lyrics by Mike Portnoy
Peter Tatischev tatisch@iname.com
The maintaner of the Unofficial Stu Hamm site:
http://www.glasnet.ru/~tatisch
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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 16:54:25 -0400
From: "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.Belvoir.Army.Mil>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: RE: Recognition for Ytsejammers
Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=AMSC%l=AMSC_NTAS-971009205425Z-16647@amsc_ntas.amsc.belvoir.army.mil>
>About all of you venting your frustrations about recognition (or lack of
>it) for Ytsejammers, I want to ask you a question. Are we members of this
>list for the recognition,
No, we're members of this list so we can force our opinions on others.
Sheesh - how long have you been here? :)
> or to talk about the greatest band on Earth?
(I was going to write Green Day here, but that's a stretch, even for
ME.)
> I personally think that recognition would be nice for all of you, but if
>you
>don't get it, then it's not the end of the world.
Ytsejam already gets plenty of recognition. It' sthe only list I know of
that is commonly referred to as "That bunch of opinionated assholes..."
Seriously, folks, a mention would have been nice - listening to me about
the choice of producer would have been nicer - but let's face it. We've
got a new album to bitch at each other about, a tour about to happen -
and all we care about is being left off the thanks list? Sheesh, no
wonder they didn't thank us... :)
BTW, I know someone said this already, but did anyone ever consider that
James may not like Ytsejam because HALF OF YOU IDIOTS ARE ALWAYS TELLING
THE BAND TO REPLACE HIM? I wouldn't be too fond of this list, either...
And yes, I know I bitch about the producer all the time. I don't know if
the band like how the album came out or not - but I know that KJL is a
MEMBER of the band, and he deserves a bit more RESPECT from the bands'
so - called FANS than a producer does...
OK, end of bitch. Anyone know any tour dates? :)
Mike
>
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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 16:57:12 -0400
From: "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.Belvoir.Army.Mil>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: RE: Is that guy wearing a blouse????
Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=AMSC%l=AMSC_NTAS-971009205712Z-16652@amsc_ntas.amsc.belvoir.army.mil>
>Ok, I dont know if this has been covered yet, but heres what I hear
>clearly on JLMB at about 1:13-1:15 in the right speaker being spoken by
>someone....probably a band member...."Is that guy wearing a blouse?" I
>tried to get people on irc to hear it, and they're all deaf :)....so who
>else has heard this?
But the question is, are YOU waering a blouse? :)
No, I don't hear it - I'll try it really loud tonight...
Mike
>
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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 16:58:37 -0400
From: "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.Belvoir.Army.Mil>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: RE: Update lemur Voice homepage
Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=AMSC%l=AMSC_NTAS-971009205837Z-16653@amsc_ntas.amsc.belvoir.army.mil>
Marcel wrote...
>homepage is updated with new tabulature, it now has three songs
>transcribed, Akasha Chronicles, Intuition and Deep Inside, totally,
>including lead guitarsolo, I transcribed it myself and more songs will
>follow.....
I'd hazard a guess to say that this tab is 100% accurate. :)
Sorry, I had to say it...
Mike
>
>
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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 17:01:33 -0400
From: "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.Belvoir.Army.Mil>
To: "'ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Oooops...
Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=AMSC%l=AMSC_NTAS-971009210133Z-16657@amsc_ntas.amsc.belvoir.army.mil>
My apologies to Marcel and the others I replied to... I still haven't
gotten used to this ack mode stuff yet. :)
My stupidity grows by leaps and bounds...
Mike
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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 17:06:44 -0400
From: "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.Belvoir.Army.Mil>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: RE: 21+ because of alcohol? No way!
Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=AMSC%l=AMSC_NTAS-971009210644Z-16662@amsc_ntas.amsc.belvoir.army.mil>
>>a) Try to start your own all ages club. Deal w/ rent, taxes, insurance,
>>booking, security, etc., and you'll soon see why these places want to sell
>>alcohol to increase their revenue.
>
>Look, we dont need people like you telling those of us that are under 21
>why we cant get into these shows.
Actually, he makes a valid point...
>
>Wait, I forgot...Why is there a 21+ age limit? I just dont understand.
>Maybe its because Im 17. Silly me, maybe Ill just have to wait till I grow
>up to understand the wisdom bestowed upon adults.
Maybe it's just the dumbass backwards "morality" that gets forced on you
in this country. No, youth does not mean stupidity, and I don't agree
with 21 - I think it should be 18, because until then your parents are
legally responsible for you - but that's no reason to blast the guy for
making a valid point. In fact, it comes dangerously close to backing up
the youth = stupidity argument...
Mike
>
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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 03:31:34 -0500
From: Ryan Good <rtgood@students.wisc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Yes News Bulliten (Thanks Neil!!)
Message-ID: <199710092125.QAA60604@mail1.doit.wisc.edu>
VATICAN CITY--In the first-ever union of the Word of God and the
Synthesizer, the Catholic
Church's College of Cardinals voted unanimously Monday to incorporate the
lyrics of Yes into the
New Testament.
The resulting new Bible, the Revised Standard YesScriptures, will
replace the Jerusalem Bible of
1966 as the standard accepted record and vehicle of divine revelation.
"Let us rejoice in this momentous occasion," said Pope John Paul II in
a special service at St.
Peter's. "And let no man be unmoved, remembering the words of Jesus: 'In and
around the lake,
mountains come out of the sky, and they stand there.' Amen."
In addition to a number of new sections, including the four-part Book
of Bruford (a. Cord of
Life; b. Eclipse; c. The Preacher; d. The Apocalypse), the revised
YesScriptures will feature a
dazzling, airbrushed gatefold by artist Roger Dean.
Perhaps the most significant change is a more complete history of the
life of Christ. In the revised
account of Christ's temptation by Satan, the Lord and Savior is brought to a
mountaintop
overlooking a pastel landscape filled with exotic, half-melted rock
formations and wispy, cloudlike
trees. Christ, though tempted, "can see all good people turn their heads
each day, and, so satisfied,
He continues on His way."
Christ's rejection of the Lord Of Lies is then followed by a 16-minute
keyboard solo by
synthesizer maestro Rick Wakeman.
"God's word is not always clear, and neither is the path Jesus wants
us to take in life," New
York's Cardinal O'Connor said of the new scriptures. "But when Jesus tells
His disciples at the Last
Supper to eat of His body and drink of His blood, for 'He can feel no sense
of measure, no illusions
as He taketh refuge in young man's pleasure,' I as a Christian take comfort
in these words."
Despite being called for by pro-Yes movements within the Church for
decades, the decision
marks the first official Catholic acknowledgement of Yes-inclusive language
and Yes-positive
Biblical interpretations as actually being the Divine Word.
"The Holy See's decision is a victory for progressives everywhere,"
said Jethro Tull frontman
and longtime Christian Ian Anderson. "The updated Bible passages reflect the
tremendously
significant role that the concept album plays in our modern lives."
The Catholic Church is not the first religious sect to embrace
progressive-rock reform. Since
1974, Reform Jews have, as part of Rosh Hashanah services, sung verses from
The Book Of
Genesis Featuring Peter Gabriel. For years, Unitarian educators have taught
the works of
Emerson, Lake, and Palmer, including Brain Salad Surgery.
Though the majority of Bible scholars are welcoming the new
YesScriptures, a small minority
stands strongly opposed.
"The messages in the YesScriptures are rarely clear and almost always
of questionable morality,"
said Michael Fox, chair of Yale University's Divinity School. "While
Christ's message may seem
obvious when, in Howe 3:16, He sayeth unto James the Lesser: 'Owner of a
lonely heart, yea, much
better than thee, O owner of a broken heart,' it is possible that this
passage contains intended irony
on the part of the Savior, and that the verse actually signifies a message
of profound sympathy for
the broken-hearted heart-owners of Mankind."
"The Word of God is the rock upon which we have built the Catholic
Church," Fox concluded.
"It is not Fragile."
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Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 16:24:23 -0500
From: Steven Jacobsen <jacobssa@hqamc.safb.af.mil>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: YTSEJAM digest 3088 -Reply
Message-ID: <s43d054e.068@hqamc.safb.af.mil>
Mike wrote:
>If DT plays St. Louis, it better not be 21+. They
>could get a large crowd at the Fox or American
>Theater. Having so many shows +21 is a big
>mistake, in my opinion. Just my $.02
They could play at Mississippi Nights and to the
best of my knowledge, most, if not all, shows
there do allow under 21 people in, you just have
to sit in a restricted area (no booze!!)
And to make one little point, it's not "if DT
plays StL", it had better be "WHEN DT plays StL."
Enjoy
Steve
Now playing: Peruvian Skies...Can't get enough of
this tune...it F'n rules!!!
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Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 14:34:53 PDT
From: "John Gilbert" <cosmicsea@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Transcribing
Message-ID: <199710092134.OAA25763@f82.hotmail.com>
Anyone working on transcribing any of the new songs? Does anyone want to
do a transcription jointly? Or start working on some, even though
chances are, there will be a tab book out.....
john gilbert
jg on dreamt.org
http://home1.gte.net/mawyatt
quote of the year
"radio can go and suck my ass" -james labrie
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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 17:54:11 EDT
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: meshuggah
Message-ID: <199710092156.OAA22486@odin.ax.com>
if any of you guys get a chance to check out meshuggah, do it!!! this band is
incredible, tempos that mess with your mind and an amazing lead guitarist.
they sound pretty harsh to the tame ear, with machine head-ish vocals. i have
their new ep "the true human design" on order, release date is oct 14. find
their albums and check them out!!! mike portnoy had em on his list of fave new
prog bands. i knew he had good taste!! keep on jammin' ..........
nate
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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 22:34:55 +0100
From: Gary Cleghorn <gary@tequila.demon.co.uk>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: various comments
Message-ID: <hzeQyFA$3UP0Ew3n@tequila.demon.co.uk>
In article <SIMEON.9710091134.C@btc-pc1.abs.anglia.ac.uk>,
Andrew Moore <asmoore@bridge.anglia.ac.uk> writes
>> 'FII' hasn't even got/had/have a local release here so don't hold your
>> breathe for a tour just yet.
>> Without a release of their most recent product do you seriously think that
>> DT's record company will finance a tour here ?
>> What we can do is start hassling the record company about releasing it
>> here.
>
>This also sucks. I am DYING to see DT live, and as a UK Jammer I have
>missed
>all opportunities to see them so far (and that's not many over here.) If they
>don't release the record, how do we expect them to tour? Luckily FII looks
>as
>though it will be out soon, so hopefully the tour won't be far behind. I've
>now moved from the North East of England (where DT would never play
>in a
>millenium) down south, so I now have a chance of seeing a London show.
You mean Consett?( if my memory serves me right) Yeah, in that
case you're right :-)
They might play Edinburgh again but its a bit of a hike.
>Has any copies of the Japanese FII made it to the UK yet? Anybody seen
>one?
>I'm off to London this weekend so I hope to find a copy.
Well i got one on order but no sign of it yet( also waiting for a US
promo copy of FII that IS on its way :-) )
>
>STILL waiting patiently for a "proper" copy of FII (and having to read you
>lot
>bitching about it!)...
Windows in Newcastle have the US version in stock for 17.49ukp
which is a fucking disgrace but this seems to be the norm in the UK
:-(
--Gary Cleghorn
Ytsejam Photo Gallery at http://www.tequila.demon.co.uk/
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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 15:33:19 -0700 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: RE: 21+ because of alcohol? No way! Message-ID: <199710092233.PAA17195@gms.gmsnet.com>
On the Eve of Destruction, "Blevins, Mike" said: > >Maybe it's just the dumbass backwards "morality" that gets forced on you >in this country. No, youth does not mean stupidity, and I don't agree >with 21 - I think it should be 18, because until then your parents are >legally responsible for you - but that's no reason to blast the guy for >making a valid point. In fact, it comes dangerously close to backing up >the youth = stupidity argument...
Let's avoid this topic on the jam, and the whole 21 and over thing...
So in other words, SHADDUP MIKE, get used to ACK mode NOW! :)
-The Doc
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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 15:35:19 -0700 From: Paul Goracke <pgor@netcom.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: 21+ because of alcohol? No way! Message-ID: <l0311070bb0630a533c21@[128.95.235.96]>
Jon Kretschmer <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu> wrote:
>Look, we dont need people like you telling those of us that are under 21 >why we cant get into these shows. > >Wait, I forgot...Why is there a 21+ age limit? I just dont understand. >Maybe its because Im 17. Silly me, maybe Ill just have to wait till I grow >up to understand the wisdom bestowed upon adults.
Well, maybe you DO need people like me telling you, pup, because you seem to have missed the point: it's all about *money*. It's not about you being a moron, or being too immature to handle seeing a band.
Encourage an all ages venue to book DT. Maybe request DT's management book more all ages venues. But pissing about them playing 21+, and getting in a snit about somebody pointing out the obvious (which it probably wasn't, since the person I was replying to wasn't from the U.S.) only strengthens the argument that maybe you _are_ too immature to see DT (which, again, wasn't my original statement).
When all else fails, take comfort in the fact that yes, everyone of legal age _is_ out to keep you young'uns down. That attitude will take you long way.
pg
--------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Goracke | "To do is to be" - Aristotle pgor@netcom.com | "To be is to do" - Plato | "Do be do be do" - Sinatra ---------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 18:42:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Nicolas Drouin <dron01@UQAH.UQuebec.CA> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Ottawa--->Toronto Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.971009184051.6314A-100000@saturne>
Who would be interested in car pooling to Toronto from Ottawa
Let me know(before its sold out!!)
Nick
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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 22:17:25 +0100 From: Gary Cleghorn <gary@tequila.demon.co.uk> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Once Again... Message-ID: <wTIUaAAlnUP0Ew3h@tequila.demon.co.uk>
In article <9710098763.AA876384470@smtpgate.walker.com>, djw_at_neon@smtpgate.walker.com writes > > WE HAVEN'T EVEN HAD FII RELEASED IN THE UK YET - SO >SHUT UP AND BE > GRATEFUL FOR WHAT YOU'VE GOT !!!!!! > > ahh, that's better.... > > Dave (a UK Jammer).
Well said Dave :-) --
Gary Cleghorn
Ytsejam Photo Gallery at http://www.tequila.demon.co.uk/
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