YTSEJAM Digest 3124
Today's Topics:
1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3112
by Mike Pontrelli <ponte@essc.psu.edu>
2) New Superior!
by cmustard@netdot.com (Mark Lampert)
3) To anyone who saw DT in TO.. for the Awa
by Lauzon.Gary@ic.gc.ca (Lauzon, Gary: IHAB)
4) Savatage pre meet in VA?
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
5) Anyone have any new Fates boots?
by "L. Jason Hartman" <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu>
6) Re: Learning to Breathe
by 015691b@dragon.acadiau.ca (Rick Barkhouse)
7) Re: FII in UK
by Andrew Moore <asmoore@bridge.anglia.ac.uk>
8) Kev coming back
by "ÞrØgßø¥" <calfaro@caribe.net>
9) Ibanez/Dt
by "ÞrØgßø¥" <calfaro@caribe.net>
10) Tidbits
by "Tedesco, Matthew" <tedescom@BDD.com>
11) New Metallica album (NDTC)
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
12) GERMAN DATES
by "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
13) Re: Nirvana ripoff...
by MrQ <mrq@mail.utexas.edu>
14) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3123
by Jon Dery <metropolis@net1plus.com>
15) Jon Kretchmer
by jerome westfried <jerwest@bu.edu>
16) Re: DT-Show 05/18/93
by Rick Audet <Ytse@cris.com>
17) oops
by Rick Audet <Ytse@cris.com>
18) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3118
by Shai Yallin <Yallin@Netvision.net.il>
19) Pan-Thy-Monium / Surrounded, Sweden, lyrics, hypothetical situations and ToT
by Seroussi <seroussi@algonet.se>
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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 09:31:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mike Pontrelli <ponte@essc.psu.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3112
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.94.971016093036.1233A-100000@wind>
Hey.. a few jams ago someone posted "Burning my Hole"...
could you send that to me please? It was great!
-ponte
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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 09:26:04 -0500
From: cmustard@netdot.com (Mark Lampert)
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: New Superior!
Message-ID: <19971016142138768.AAA219@cmustard.vonl.com>
Ahoy,
Bernd Basmer of Superior wrote:
>We are still working at the new songs for our 2nd album that will
>probably be out in March/April next year. We'll be in studio again
>in January and record 11 songs for this one. I don't know 'til now
>if they will all appear on the CD but at least 10 will definately
>be on it.
New Superior? Hell yes! I'll be waiting for the release!
· • Colonel Mustard • ·
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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 10:58:14 -0400
From: Lauzon.Gary@ic.gc.ca (Lauzon, Gary: IHAB)
To: ytsejam@ax.com ('DT')
Subject: To anyone who saw DT in TO.. for the Awa
Message-ID: <1997Oct16.105438.1255.46356@msmail.ic.gc.ca>
'lo there
Is there anyone who saw DT in TO (Toronto CA) for the Awake tour, if
so, do you remember at what time the show ended? I keep on calling the
warehouse but they don't even seem to know. I would just like to have some
sort of idea because I am planning to bus there from Ottawa but the last bus
leaves To at 12 P.M. and I think DT go live at 10.
Does anyone know the average lenght of time for a show, least 2 hours?
Any info on this would be much appreciated, send mail to
cu016@freenet.carleton.ca
Gary
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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 10:50:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Savatage pre meet in VA?
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.971016104810.7532E-100000@bdmserver>
Any jammers meeting before the Savatage show at Jaxx in Springfield this
Saturday?
How many messages a day are produced by the Savatage list?
5 gratuitous cds:
1. Savatage-Dead Winter Dead
2. Savatage-Handfull of Rain
3. Savatage-Edge of Thorns
4. Savatage-Streets
5. Division-Paradise Lost
-Can you tell I am preparing for the Savatage/Division show?
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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 10:46:21 -0400 (EDT)
From: "L. Jason Hartman" <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Anyone have any new Fates boots?
Message-ID: <199710161446.KAA01740@umbc8.umbc.edu>
If anyone has any boots, preferably video, of the APSOG tour,
please contact me. I've got lots of stuff to trade - DT, FT, QR,
etc. I may also be interested in getting some Enchant and Angra
stuff.
Thanks!
-- /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \ / / L. Jason Hartman "And I'll smile and I'll learn to pretend \ \ lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu And I'll never be open again / / And I'll have no more dreams to defend \ \ Univ. Of Maryland, And I'll never be open again " / / Baltimore County - Kevin Moore : Dream Theater \ \ / / "Make it idiot proof and someone will make a better idiot." \ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/------------------------------
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 11:57:53 -0300 (ADT) From: 015691b@dragon.acadiau.ca (Rick Barkhouse) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Learning to Breathe Message-ID: <199710161457.LAA19084@dragon.acadiau.ca>
Andrew Fors writes: > Has anybody else noticed the re-used keyboard 'riff' in Just Let Me > Breathe from "Learning to Live?" It's used right at the end, sounds > to me just like the one used in "Learning to Live" as well as "Wait > for Sleep." Somebody tell me I'm not crazy. :)
You're crazy :)
Well, TECHNICALLY, it's a totally different riff, but I can see how it might be considered SIMILAR...
On a related note, I think the "...Living and learning..." lyric of BMS is sort of cool...
// ============================================== // Rick Barkhouse <015691b@dragon.acadiau.ca> | // -- 706 Crowell Tower -- (902) 585-2700 -- | // Homepage: http://dragon.acadiau.ca/~015691b/ | // ==============================================
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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 16:02:08 +0100 () From: Andrew Moore <asmoore@bridge.anglia.ac.uk> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: FII in UK Message-ID: <SIMEON.9710161608.A@btc-pc1.abs.anglia.ac.uk>
Hi,
> Yes, well, it would appear that Falling Into Infinity is now available > domestically in the United Kingdom.
> HMV has about 10 copies at "normal" UK new release prices (ukp 14.49), and > there's no sign of any Import stickers on them anywhere. Tower and Virgin > don't have them yet, but no doubt they'll follow soon.
> Graham
I was in London on Saturday and noticed HMV sold them at ukp 14.49, and Tower had imports at the complete rip-off price of ukp 19.99. No sign in Virgin, but they are notoriously crap.
Andy. -------------------------------- Andrew Moore, IT Adviser Anglia Business School, Anglia Polytechnic University, Cambridge, UK --------------------------------
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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 12:13:06 -0400 From: "ÞrØgßø¥" <calfaro@caribe.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Kev coming back Message-ID: <34463D12.B806DDD3@caribe.net>
I dont think the band would take him back...but in *my* dreams they would, and keep derek also.. and do like Shadow Gallery... 2 keyboardists!!!!!
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In the stream of consciousness There is a river crying Living comes much easier Once we admit , We're dying. Dream Theater: Lines in the Sand http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro mailto:calfaro@caribe.net mailto:progboy@mindless.com Universal Internet Number (ICQ) 1254229
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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 12:20:06 -0400 From: "ÞrØgßø¥" <calfaro@caribe.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Ibanez/Dt Message-ID: <34463EB6.44F2BB93@caribe.net>
Whoooooo I just bought an Ibanez Rg, and inside the case, it brings an advertisement that reads as follows : Enter the *THEATER* of your mind... and It shows this guy sitting in his room playing thru a rockn play thing, wearing AN AWAKE SHIRT, and basically at his left, kind of like a dream thing, theres good ol John Petrucci, playing his B/w JPM 3, in front of Mikes Drum kit... this rules soooooooooo much i have to get it scanned!
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In the stream of consciousness There is a river crying Living comes much easier Once we admit , We're dying. Dream Theater: Lines in the Sand http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro mailto:calfaro@caribe.net mailto:progboy@mindless.com Universal Internet Number (ICQ) 1254229
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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 12:14:00 -0400 From: "Tedesco, Matthew" <tedescom@BDD.com> To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Tidbits Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=BDD%l=BDD/MSMAIL/002138F0@nt_mail.bdd.com>
]From Chris Daley: >Hmm...wonder why some people are worked up over the 'fuck' in BMS....
Pardon? Did I miss something? Where might this be?
]From Cappy: >Metallica has gotten to that stage where they are as acceptable as your >every day "pop" music by radio stations and to them is no longer considered
Would you say Metallica is being mistaken for pop, then? Or... maybe, just wait a minute... maybe it's not a mistake!
]From Nicole Stachowicz McWatters: >certain point. I was stuck in traffic, so I figured I'd look at it. The >tape was bent, crushed, and otherwise mangled for about 20 feet. I don't >know what happened! So has anyone else burned through a tape yet? Btw,
I am convinced--therein lies proof that the Old Testament was on to something. Yes, God can be cruel.... Must've made for a frustratingly quiet rest-of-the-drive....
--another MATt (Tedescom@BDD.com)
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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 14:24:01 -0200 (EDT) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: New Metallica album (NDTC) Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.971016142232.685A-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
Hi, there...
For those of you who still like that band called Metallica, here is some info I got from www.metclub.com:
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September 26, 1997 California,
Metallica - New album and Live Promotions!!!
We can now officially confirm the following: Metallica album #7, entitled ReLoad, will be released as follows: November 14th - Japan November 17th - All territories outside of USA November 18th - USA
On October 18th and 19th Metallica will be playing The 11th Annual Bridge School Benefit Shows at Shoreline Amphitheater, San Francisco. These will be two 'acoustic' shows arranged by Neil Young. Venue Details : Shoreline Amphitheater, Amphitheater Parkway, Mountain View CA 94043
On December 6th, Metallica will be performing live on NBC's Saturday Night Live show. As we get more details of this performance we will let you know. Ticket enquires for Saturday Night Live shows can be made direct to NBC at 212 664 4444 ask for "Tickets" We are not able confirm that NBC can guarantee tickets for specific shows.
The Metallica Club are NOT able to offer tickets or passes to these events.
Other promotional events may be arranged to coincide with the release of ReLoad we will announce details as they are confirmed.
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-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 12:59:54 -0400 (EDT) From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: GERMAN DATES Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.96.971016125800.112348C-100000@gnu.uvm.edu>
Could whoever posted DT's dates in Germany please e-mail them to me privately? Thanks.
Richie
DT song of the day: JLMB
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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 12:06:32 -0500 From: MrQ <mrq@mail.utexas.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Nirvana ripoff... Message-ID: <3.0.32.19971016120631.0068bed0@mail.utexas.edu>
> >Just a quick note about Nirvana and their crappy music. Not only does their song >"Rape Me" have ridiculous lyrics, but the riff is ripped off from a Gwar >song...and I mean ripped off. Note for note, same rhythm. > >-Brian > Well, actually "Rape Me" has the same exact rhythm as "Smells Like Teen Spirit" and is played in the same scratchy way. As for them ripping off Gwar of all bands I really doubt it. From what I've heard of Gwar I wouldn't consider them one of the most innovative bands out there. Although the costumes were a nice touch - how do they play with all that shit on?
-"Q"
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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 13:50:07 -0400 From: Jon Dery <metropolis@net1plus.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3123 Message-ID: <344653CF.6E2B@net1plus.com>
Someone said, in reference to "Dream Out Loud":
> BTW, at one point James says: "I don't know, is it just me or this guy > here is third class with the guitar?" :)
Ha ha. No. Actually JP is a first class guitarist :). What James said (this might be paraphrased--don't feel like digging out the tape to check) was: "I don't know, is it just me or does this guy's shirt clash with his guitar?" John always wore those funky looking shirts with patterns all over them during the IAW days.
Jon Dery
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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 14:30:40 -0400 (EDT) From: jerome westfried <jerwest@bu.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Jon Kretchmer Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.96.971016142200.113272B-100000@acs4.bu.edu>
Yeah...I don't mean to say that DT hasn't come out with good lyrics! I thought the whole IAW album was good and that Awake was a real good album lyrically, that was almost as closely-knit thematically,as a concept album. That is just part of my disappointment with this new album. Mabye I haven't spun it enough in the old CD player yet, but nothing in it really moves me. Like in IAW it was Take The Time, and Metropolis, and UAGM. In Amake Scarred really moved me. To a lesser degree so did Lie and LSOAD. Not only that, but I though ACOS was a really moving tune, probably DT's best, for me. This new album is just filler, it seems to me. Especially You Not Me. Compare that to any tune on IAW. I think IAW is like Vai's Passion and Warfare, where you know no matter how long the artist will remain in the business, nothing they ever do will eclipse that masterpiece.
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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 14:43:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Rick Audet <Ytse@cris.com> To: SlackJam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: DT-Show 05/18/93 Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.971016142624.8016A-100000@mariner.cris.com>
Jan Ziese wrote regarding "Dream Out Loud":
> What I'm interested in is if any of you happen to know where the show took > place. It just states 'NY' on the cover, and I think James at one point says > something like 'Come on Buffalo'. Could that be? Maybe one of you was even > there? The date was 05/18/93, Galactic Cowboys being opener.
Yes, this show was at the Impaxx Club in Buffalo, NY.
> BTW, at one point James says: "I don't know, is it just me or this guy here > is third class with the guitar?" :) > > Hope this isn't in the FAQ :)
Heh. Nope, not this time. The only comment on DT boots in the FAQ is a blurb about Mike Bahr and a link to his page. You may not be aware that there is another boot of the same show which goes by the name "Dance of Eternity", not to be confused with "THE Dance of Eternity", the classic I&W show at the Limelight. These two Impaxx Club boots have slightly different tracklistings, but both suffer from lowered pitch, unfortunately.
Oh, and when Dr. Mosh posted the other day about the Limelight show opening his eyes as to how much he likes Kevmo, I think he forgot to mention he was watching a boot video, not just listening to a crappy tape of the show. :)
Now Playing: The Prodigy, "Music For The Jilted Generation"
Rick Audet
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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 15:33:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Rick Audet <Ytse@cris.com> To: YtseFlesh <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: oops Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.971016152810.10747A-100000@mariner.cris.com>
And about boots on the FAQ, I forgot that along with the link to Mike Bahr's page, there is a link to Mike Burstin's out-of-date but still extremely informative boot catalog. That page sure helped me out a lot.
Rick Audet
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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 20:54:19 +0200 From: Shai Yallin <Yallin@Netvision.net.il> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3118 Message-ID: <344662DB.7B96@Netvision.net.il>
Greg R. Lee wrote: > > > Awake:Scarred > > FII:Just Let Me Breath > > > > I don't know if it is because there isn't anything catchy in those songs > > or what... > > Dude...Scarred!!! The guitar solo actually gets me aroused! > I fail to see how a guitar/JP fan can find that solo catchy...
What really makes this solo so good is the combination of solos (keyboard/guitar). I see it like the key solo is Kev leaving the band, and the Guitar solo is the band moving on....
call me insane.....
-- Shai Yallin - Kurush on #YTSEJAM
"I'm American, honey. Our names don't mean shit." - Bruce Willis on Pulp Fiction
"How can you keep your head and not go insane when the only light at the end of the tunnel is another train" - Mike Portnoy
Visit my home page at http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palladium/3247
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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 21:34:29 +0100 From: Seroussi <seroussi@algonet.se> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Pan-Thy-Monium / Surrounded, Sweden, lyrics, hypothetical situations and ToT Message-ID: <34467A55.6786B063@algonet.se>
Does anyone here know Pan-Thy-Monium? Did anyone notice the similarity between the surrounded intro and the song Behrial of off Khaooohs and Kon-Fus-Ion? It is probable that the band have heard Dream Theater since Dan Swanö is a pretty big prog fan... I think everyone should check out Pan-Thy-Monium, they are sort of weird death metal (with saxophone and stuff like that...) If you dislike death metal because of the vocals, be not alarmed since the production puts the vocals way in the back, all death metal should be produced that way, in my opinion...
---- Does anyone know of any Swedish (read: Stockholm, I don't think I'll go down to Malmö or Göteborg to see them [and I call myself a fan... {parenthesis rule}]) dates? Thanks...
---- > From: "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu> > Subject: Oncoming trains... > > Ummmm, wrong. DLR may have used it, but it's an old saying - he was just as > guilty of ripping it off as DT is. And BTW, I often listen to DT for the lyrics. > Not to say that the music isn't great, of course.
I thought it was from an old saying...if people are gonna bitch about that then why not bitch about "a picture worth a thousand words" in metropolis and other references to old sayings that you can find in DT's lyrics...
---- > From: Loren Caler <lcaler@flash.net> > Subject: A hypothetical situation.... > > Now this is just like the title says: A HYPOTHETICAL situation. > > I was just sitting here listining to WDADU and was thinking to myself, "What > if Kevin Moore, after hearing FII, decided he wanted to come back to the > band?" What would the group say? I mean he is after all an original > member. I'm curious, if I was in the band, what I would think. Be a pretty > strange situation don't you agree?
And what if, after putting another album, he would decide again that he doesn't like the direction of the band? What keyboardist would want to join a band that depends on Kevin Moore's mood? Then again, how about having two keyboardists? that could be interesting...
---- > From: "James Thorpe" <thirdhvn@community.net> > Subject: FII > > The melody 'Its raining, raining, on the streets of NYC,...." > sounds like something but I can't remember. Does anyone > remember a simular melody from something?
It sounds very familiar to me too...it drives me crazy every time I listen to it, like, "where the hell did I hear this before?"
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