YTSEJAM Digest 3126
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Ibanez/Dt
by "Paul Matthews" <J6865644@emu.bendigo.latrobe.edu.au>
2) Some reccomendations for bands...
by Luke <slslb@winshop.com.au>
3) Re: Disgusted with many DT fans
by onion@pangea.ca (Onion)
4) Cleanliness
by Loren Caler <lcaler@flash.net>
5) ACOS-Metropolis
by Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
6) Derek Sherinian on FII, Pt. 2
by michael.bradley@mail.cc.trincoll.edu (Michael Bradley)
7) Metropolis and ACoS
by Mike Rengel <ty19stu@semovm.semo.edu>
8) Opeth
by Paul Dyer <dyer@taunet.net.au>
9) Irc channel
by Cliff and Pam Wheaton <cwheaton@TransWestTaxi.com>
10) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3125
by "TheCowGod" <dmc@dreamt.org>
11) Atlanta Road trip to ILL.
by VAIMAN <vaiman@mindspring.com>
12) Rides Available to Columbus Show
by "Art Hayes" <arthayes@clover.net>
13) what Kev should do
by Eric Desobe <edesobe@emory.edu>
14) Re: Kev coming back
by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
15) JLMB
by ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
16) please help...
by Visker <jlvskr@dordt.edu>
17) LTL/WfS riff in JLMB??
by Tim Lodge <axe@mail1.nai.net>
18) Rebel Radio and DT
by Chad Allen Klunck <cak6981@omega.uta.edu>
19) The Can of Worms I've opened about www.johndenver.com
by Tim Lodge <axe@mail1.nai.net>
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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 09:47:29 +1000
From: "Paul Matthews" <J6865644@emu.bendigo.latrobe.edu.au>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Ibanez/Dt
Message-ID: <4B2E1EA5974@emu.bendigo.latrobe.edu.au>
> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 13:42:23 -0700 (PDT)
> From: ytsejam@ax.com
> Reply-to: ytsejam@ax.com
> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
> Subject: YTSEJAM digest 3124
> Whoooooo
> I just bought an Ibanez Rg
You legend.
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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 10:21:21 +1000
From: Luke <slslb@winshop.com.au>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Some reccomendations for bands...
Message-ID: <3446AF81.2126@winshop.com.au>
I need from some help from the wiser of you jammers out there who know
of the bands I am about to list. I am looking for some opinions on these
bands and some reccomendations on what album would be a good first
investment.
ANGRA
`````
Heard heaps 'bout these guys. Downloaded lots of clips from Dr.Mosh, I
like what I hear....Holy Land or Angel's Cry? Not sure what to go for.
Also heard that Freedom Call is good too.
ENCHANT
```````
Once again, heard much about these guys. Wounded or BP of the world?
Which is a better album to first get into the band ?
SPOCK'S BEARD
`````````````
These guys are consistently mentioned on the JAM, but I know jack about
'em. What do they sound like ? What influences ? Which album can you
reccomend ?
If there are any other bands you know of that you could also reccomend,
then please do. Please email me privately and elaborate as much as
possible. I've been to many prog. review sites, but I'd like to get as
many varied opinions as possible.
For some point of reference, my fav. albums are;
DT; I&W and AWAKE.
FW; Parallels.
Superior; Behind
Symph.X; DW o Tradgedy
QR; OP. Mindcrime
BTW, for those who don't know there is a good prog. review site called
Metallic Symphonies at http://www.onr.com/progress. Lots of bands
covered, good reviews.
Also another called Heady Metal, at http://headymetal.simplenet.com
Not quite as extensive, but it's got album cover pics and sound clips
for each band.
Luke.
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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 97 19:24:43 PST
From: onion@pangea.ca (Onion)
To: durnik@goodnet.com
Cc: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Disgusted with many DT fans
Message-ID: <199710170044.TAA02006@surf.pangea.ca>
Hey Mike,
I couldn't agree with you more. I see you've "cc'd" the jam.....I way
behind in reading them because lately it's been full of everything that
you just said. I enjoy the new CD. Nuff said.
Cheers,
Ian
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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 19:55:44 -0500 (CDT)
From: Loren Caler <lcaler@flash.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Cleanliness
Message-ID: <199710170055.TAA28245@endeavor.flash.net>
Well after listining to FII for a while now (just about once every day since
I got it), I have come to some different conclusions than I first wrote.
The main thing I have to say is that I have TOTALLY reversed my feelings of
the production of the album. What I mean by this is not the way the
instruments SOUND, but the actual recording. Bottom line : IT'S DIRTY!
I have an exceptionally clean stereo in my car with three amps and
electronic crossever etc etc. Top of the line everything. Not bragging,
just saying that it's clean, so I can tell whats clean and whats not. The
head unit has a seven band eq. and a 15 band spectrum analyzer.
Now on Awake (the CLEANEST album I own) you can see a huge difference
compared to FII. The main thing with FII is that everything is maxed out.
Well on some songs that is. It seems like every song has a different sound.
Especially with the drums. Here's a list of how some of the songs come up
as far as individual instruments being clean or dirty and muffled.
NM- this song as a whole is pretty clean except for a few parts where things
get cluttered
YNM- the drums here are pretty dirty, especially the snare and bass. The
guitars aren't that great either.
PS- Drums here are muffled sometimes, except the bass drum, and I personally
think that the guitars are up WAAAAAAY too much. I don't mean I don't like
what he's playing, just that it overpowers everything else.
HY- Actually one of the best (clean) songs on the album. Prob. because of
the acoustic.
BMS- Dirtiest song on the album. Everything. I'm not talking about
distortion either. Just the general sound. Things gets muffled out and
just sounds bad.
HK - Bass is clean here, but the drums get a little distorted. In turn that
makes everything else sound bad.
LItS- I couldn't figure out what was wrong here. Something didn't sound
right, maybe the was too much mid in this song. That's what it sounded like
anyways.
TAMP - Pretty clean here. Nothing really that bad.
JLMB - I think it's the guitar tracks again that get fuzzy. Also the drums
arent too great either.
AL - Another clean song. Second best to HY.
ToT - Actually the keyboards here are pretty dirty. And some of the guitars
and drum are bad in some areas. Cleanest bass on the album though.
Now I'm not giving opinions on the song themselves, just saying what I heard
and saw through my system. I can't really say WHO is to blame, but it makes
me kinda mad. Like someone said a few jams ago, "DT deserved better than
this!". That's MHO anyways.
-Loren
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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 21:03:28 -0400
From: Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: ACOS-Metropolis
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19971016210325.00689c8c@mail.ici.net>
>And then Kevin Moore left and Derek Sherinian joined in, when the band
>released "A Change of Seasons". The liner notes of the CD say that it was
>originally meant as a part of Metropolis, but I cannot see the relation
>between the two songs.
That's because there isn't one. If you read the liner notes more carefully,
it says only that ACOS was written around the same *time* as Metropolis,
not that the songs are related at all.
This reminds me of a recent thread on the newsgroup where somebody was
adamantly insisting that ACOS *was* Metropolis Pt. II. He quoted the same
part of the liner notes as his source.
_____Pat Sullivan_____________________________________
E-Mail: psull@ici.net
WWW: http://www.ici.net/cust_pages/psull/psull.html
IRC: DDictator ICQ: 2049374
______________________________________________________
There cannot be a crisis today; my schedule is already full.
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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 21:15:57 -0400
From: michael.bradley@mail.cc.trincoll.edu (Michael Bradley)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Derek Sherinian on FII, Pt. 2
Message-ID: <199710170115.VAA07756@mail.trincoll.edu>
Hey all,
Someone posted this:
>Finally, I think that Derek is a really cool keyboard player. In time he
>will fit in with the band. FII is the first full length album he's done
>with the band, so for those who didn't like it: give him a second chance.
>He'll do better -- although he's doing really well already.
I've only skimming the jam lately, but I thought these arguments against
Derek had FINALLY ended. Derek is by far the better choice for DT right now
for ONE BIG REASON. Kevin Moore wasn't into the band anymore!! It's that
simple. A player can have all the chops in the world, but if their heart
isn't in the music they're not going to produce. Regardless of what anyone
thinks about FII vs. Awake overall as albums, Derek's performance on FII
kicks the crap out of Kev's on Awake. Also, I think few could claim that
Kev's sounds were as good as Derek's. I loved Kev as a player, but Derek's
sounds are in another league. Nothing against Kev, it's just that (IMHO)
Derek's rig is better. In fact, the keyboardist in my band plays the Korg
Trinity. Nothing can touch that thing.
Sorry if I sound like an asshole, but if I were Derek Sherinian reading the
Jam, I'd be really bummed that people are still comparing him to Kevin
Moore and talking about how he could fit in better. See y'all at the Toad's
show!
-MB
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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 18:16:53 -0700 (PDT)
From: Mike Rengel <ty19stu@semovm.semo.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Metropolis and ACoS
Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19971016202017.1def825a@semovm.semo.edu>
>And then Kevin Moore left and Derek Sherinian joined in, when the band
>released "A Change of Seasons". The liner notes of the CD say that it was
>originally meant as a part of Metropolis, but I cannot see the relation
>between the two songs. They are COMPLETELY different in style -- at least
>when the ACoS CD was released, the band says that the song has been
>completely rewritten.
That's not what the liner notes say. They say that Metropolis part I and
ACoS were both written at the same time, around the period of I&W. They are
not related to each other or continuations of each other.
I also enjoyed KM's performances on I&W and the others he worked on, but
Derek Sherinian is awesome, too. Does anyone else like the cool organ "riff"
he plays at 2.08 of JLMB? It always makes me feel like I'm at a Cardinals' game.
My top 5 CDs this week:
1. Dream Theater-When Dream And Day Unite
2. Rush-Presto
3. Van Halen-Best of Volume I
4. Rush-2112
5. The Who-Who's Next
Waiting for St. Louis tour dates,
Mike
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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 10:58:10 +0900
From: Paul Dyer <dyer@taunet.net.au>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Opeth
Message-ID: <1335036606-123862946@smtp.taunet.net.au>
>>>>I've only got Morningrise, is Orchid worth spending my money on?
Most definitely. i think it's better than Morningrise! Morningrise is very
structured. You know electric/acoustic/electric/acoustic etc but Orchid is
more random. Still the same "always" harmonised guitars just less
organised. Also the lead guitar, while not shredding is more interesting on
Orchid. I got Orchid first and bought Morningrise when it first came out.
They are almost the perfect mix of Prog and Black metal and it comes out
sounding like - you said it - Forest Metal!!
Cheers
Paul D
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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 18:01:20 -0600
From: Cliff and Pam Wheaton <cwheaton@TransWestTaxi.com>
To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Irc channel
Message-ID: <3446AAD0.6318FBCB@TransWestTaxi.com>
/me goes out of lurk mode:)
Hey-howcome I can't get onto the irc channel?? I keep trying-no go!! did
it move? or am I typing in the wrong address-again??? this is what i'm
using: irc.dreamt.org:2112 (6667). E-mail ma privately please-I've only
been skimming the 'jam's.
I finally found FII today-after 3 weeks of searching. I'll give my
thoughts later after a couple of listens:)
Rock on!
Pam
--
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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 21:29:52 -0500
From: "TheCowGod" <dmc@dreamt.org>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3125
Message-ID: <01bcdaa4$8c62ace0$7cb500c7@emc.caribe.net>
>From: Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
>Subject: Re: Learning to Breathe?
>
>don't think this is correct. The SDV part is in the Mirror, but I don't
>think it's in Voices. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Oops, you're right.
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>From: acos0206@uriacc.uri.edu
>Subject: Re: JLMB solo
>
>]From around 3:50 to about 4:15 in JLMB the solo alternates speakers.
AFter
yah, that's true. (wow, i'm really talkative today, huh? :) Well, that's
all you'll get out of me today - i'm sick and don't feel like typing a
whole bunch. Moo.
***END OF TRANSMISSION***
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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 20:24:26 -0400
From: VAIMAN <vaiman@mindspring.com>
To: Ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Atlanta Road trip to ILL.
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19971017002426.0067b8d0@pop.mindspring.com>
I might be in on that deal. I have to see
how much money I got to spend. :)
I can even drive, but the deal is I have a
pretty small car. 93 Eagle Talon. The front
is not so bad...back seat is killer..unless
you are 4'5. hahaha...
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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 22:04:33 -0400
From: "Art Hayes" <arthayes@clover.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Rides Available to Columbus Show
Message-ID: <02070796606091@clover.net>
I have room for six leaving Cambridge Ohio Tue, Oct. 28 for the Alrosa
Villa gig. Passing through New Concord (Muskingum College) and Zanesville.
If you or anyone you know would like a ride email me. This is
non-smoking, non-drinking, non-drugging minivan transportation. Only
asking five dollars to cover gas.....
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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 22:15:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: Eric Desobe <edesobe@emory.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: what Kev should do
Message-ID: <Pine.WNT.3.95.971016221350.-448405C-100000@edesobe.resnet.emory.edu>
Realize his Chroma Key project is going as well as his movie making
career, and join Fates. Between Matheos, Zonder, and Moore one of the
best instrumental sections would be together. Honestly, I would dig Fates
more than Dt if Moore joined. Of course this is pointless, none of this
will ever happen and the best we can hope for is a Mike Bahr "Kevin Moore
Reunion Concert" Cd. Take the time.
-Eric
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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 23:23:22 -0400
From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Kev coming back
Message-ID: <199710170323.XAA15109@ren.cs.wm.edu>
Eckie cared enough to let us know that...
> I'm about to take a shit. Does anybody have any opinions they'd like to
> share with the jam about that?
I hope everything comes out all right for ya, Eckie. Don't let the paperwork
get ya down. :)
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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 22:24:54 -0400
From: ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
To: "That Darn Mailing List Thingy" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: JLMB
Message-ID: <19971016172721.AAA20580@sni.pananet.com>
Well, i've been learning that guitar/keys trade-off part in JLMB, and as i
was learning it, it reminded me a LOT of the unison melody in TTT. They
could be doing a variation on that. Hmmm, yet another twisted reference to
TTT?
In any case, i tabbed it out, so if anybody wants it, lemme know.
Oh, one more thing, in the Fix shows, did Derek and JP play that whole part
together in unison, or did they do it like on FII? I remember it being in
unison, but my memory tends to fail me when it comes to these things...
Ern
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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 22:38:38 -0500 (CDT)
From: Visker <jlvskr@dordt.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: please help...
Message-ID: <9710162238.aa05762@cc.dordt.edu>
Jammerz,
I am about to embark on the mission of ordering some progressive cd's,
and I need some advice, who better to ask? :)
What's the best mail order company(knightsofthe..., impulse, dreamdisc?)
Or are they about the same. I don't have a credit card, but I do have
personal checks...does that make a difference?
Is it better to order direct from Magna Carta? I'm looking at Lemur
Voice, and Shadow Gallery...any suggestions? Also...Angra, which album?
Finally is Symphony X worth $25???
I know that is a bunch of questions, but as I said, I'm new at this,
and I love prog, but it is such a pain to get a hold of! If you think
any info would help others, go ahead and post, otherwise e-mail me
personally. Thanks guys! You all Rock!
-Visker
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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 00:51:24 -0400
From: Tim Lodge <axe@mail1.nai.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: LTL/WfS riff in JLMB??
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19971017005124.006f7350@ct1.nai.net>
>Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 01:46:10 -0600
>From: "Andrew Fors" <afors@btigate.com>
>To: ytsejam@ax.com
>Subject: Learning to Breathe?
>Message-ID: <199710160636.BAA21870@btiserv.btigate.com>
>
>
>
> Has anybody else noticed the re-used keyboard 'riff' in Just Let Me
>Breathe from "Learning to Live?" It's used right at the end, sounds
>to me just like the one used in "Learning to Live" as well as "Wait
>for Sleep." Somebody tell me I'm not crazy. :)
>
>
>Andrew Fors
>afors@btigate.com
>http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/2119
In my opinion, it IS THE SAME RIFF!! I think DT intentionally put it in there
as a throw-back to Images and Words...That riff kind of ran throughout I&W
like
the Space-Dye Vest riff runs through AWAKE... Then again it may just be
*an amazing coincidence* like the "Price is Right" theme in "Scarred"...
I'll be sure and ask the band about it if I see any of them on the current
tour!!!
--Tim
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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 00:01:50 -0500
From: Chad Allen Klunck <cak6981@omega.uta.edu>
To: The List to End All Lists <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Rebel Radio and DT
Message-ID: <3446F13E.4963F39C@omega.uta.edu>
Was just listening to Rebel Radio (www.rebelradio.com), and there was an
ad for the Gem Music Complex (some recording studio or something)...and
they were playing the instrumental parts (the intro before the samples
mainly) in the background...definitely audible and definitely awesome.
:)
Chad
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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 00:58:54 -0400
From: Tim Lodge <axe@mail1.nai.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: The Can of Worms I've opened about www.johndenver.com
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19971017005854.006f7350@ct1.nai.net>
Fellow 'Jammers.
First of all, I'd like to thank all of the "oh-so-knowledgable" current
and former ISP employees and net-DemiGods... My original post to
Mindspring was certainly not meant to damn the company to hell...I just
inquired how the domain got up there like that. Now I know, case closed.
==Tim==
axe@ct1.nai.net
--OBLIGATORY DT CONTENT--
Something wierd just happened...I went to grab my japanese copy of FII to
throw in
the CD-ROM ..but Fates' "a pleasant shade of gray" just happened to be
sitting on top
of it..so that went in instead...aPsoG is definately the *superior
progressive wankfest* !!!
(i think that will be the ytsejam most-widely-used phrase of the year
BTW)....Mr.Moore's work
on this cd is exceptionally good. (even though Jim Matheos wrote all the
parts beforehand)...
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