YTSEJAM Digest 3125
Today's Topics:
1) Royal Hunt
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
2) Mary Xmas no in mi store
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
3) New Phish tracks
by Ryan Good <rtgood@students.wisc.edu>
4) Re: Opeth
by Seroussi <seroussi@algonet.se>
5) Re: Learning to Breathe?
by "TheCowGod" <dmc@dreamt.org>
6) no, the correct answer is...
by JB <beamup@vt.edu>
7) Buyer for Tiamat's Wildhoney
by Dave Peterson <glyde@scc.net>
8) wtf?
by Seroussi <seroussi@algonet.se>
9) Re: Learning to breathe
by George Tryfonas <gt4@ukc.ac.uk>
10) Gwar is progressive.
by "incorrigible ophelia ;(" <afn39111@afn.org>
11) Wake Up! CD for sale (Dream Theater)
by "Matt Wilson" <Dreamline.7466@worldnet.att.net>
12) me again.... don't worrie,a fast one...
by omeraron@mail.netvision.net.il
13) Re: Learning to Breathe?
by Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
14) Providence Show
by Robert Rivers <gehrig4@seacoast.com>
15) Re: JLMB solo
by acos0206@uriacc.uri.edu
16) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3123
by Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
17) Derek Sherinian and FII
by George Tryfonas <gt4@ukc.ac.uk>
18) Re: Kev coming back
by eckie@asu.edu
19) Re: wtf?
by eckie@asu.edu
20) RE: Gwar, NDTC
by Misha Horowitz <mhorowit@ziplink.net>
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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 16:13:36 -0400 (EDT)
From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
To: Dream Theater Mailing list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Royal Hunt
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.971016161124.20548A-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
Hey, jammers. Just bought a new CD by a Magna Carta band called Royal
Hunt. They may have other releases, but if you can, and even if you can't,
buy this CD from them. Imagine a cross between Queen's Ryche, Shadow
Gallery, and Transiberian Orchestra without the christmassy feel. Maybe I
am thinking of sabatage, or however you spell that band's name that was
involved in TSO. Anyway, this CD sounds quite good and I would hartily
recommmmend it to any progressive metal fan. BTW, can anybody send me the
latest Magna Carta news about upcoming releases, the web site seems to be
always out of date. Thanks.
Reach Damon Fibraio at damon@shell.monmouth.com
keyboardist, vocalist, radio personality
Deviant of Reality
All of us get lost in the darkness, dreamers learn to steer by the stars
All of us do time in the gutter, dreamers turn to look at the cars.
Neil Peart of Rush
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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 16:31:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
To: Dream Theater Mailing list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Mary Xmas no in mi store
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.971016162935.20548C-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
I went to the store today, the place where I got the Royal Hunt CD, (see
my other post) and asked about Mary Xmas and the guy at the counter said
that they didn't get it in yet, they'dprobably get it with their xmas
stuff. This sucks. NOw, the next two monthsare really going to be CD
intensive. Mary Xmas, two yes CDs, and some Magna Carta releases as well?
I will not be able to afford Xmas gifts.
Reach Damon Fibraio at damon@shell.monmouth.com
keyboardist, vocalist, radio personality
Deviant of Reality
All of us get lost in the darkness, dreamers learn to steer by the stars
All of us do time in the gutter, dreamers turn to look at the cars.
Neil Peart of Rush
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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 02:41:51 -0500
From: Ryan Good <rtgood@students.wisc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: New Phish tracks
Message-ID: <199710162035.PAA08844@mail1.doit.wisc.edu>
Hey.
Just a quick question: What are the tunes on the new live Phish disc going
to be??
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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 22:39:26 +0100
From: Seroussi <seroussi@algonet.se>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Opeth
Message-ID: <3446898E.E3109E4A@algonet.se>
> From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
> Subject: Opeth
>
> Reeeeeeeally cool material. The songs are darker, atmospheric,
> melancholic, depressive.
Depressive? Opeth is far from being depressive...
> If you're ok with that and with black metal-ish vocals
+ occassional clean vocals...
> and don't mind hearing *a lot* of acoustic guitars among your heavy
> metal,
Forest metal, that is... ;)
> definitely get "Morningrise". Masterpiece. I'm writing an Opeth
> Homepage and I'll put it on-line really soon (I hope).
I've only got Morningrise, is Orchid worth spending my money on?
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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 16:45:23 -0500
From: "TheCowGod" <dmc@dreamt.org>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Learning to Breathe?
Message-ID: <01bcda7c$ce6bc360$6eb500c7@emc.caribe.net>
>From: "Andrew Fors" <afors@btigate.com>
>Subject: Learning to Breathe?
>
> Has anybody else noticed the re-used keyboard 'riff' in Just Let Me
>Breathe from "Learning to Live?" It's used right at the end, sounds
>to me just like the one used in "Learning to Live" as well as "Wait
>for Sleep." Somebody tell me I'm not crazy. :)
How about the 'Lie' bassline reused in Lines In The Sand at 10:16, as well
as the silent man guitar part in erotomania, and the SDV piano part in
voices? Apparently DT has several riffs that they like, and reuse them,
whether intentionally or not. It's kinda hard to call it plagiarism, since
they're ripping themselves off, so i guess it's cool :)
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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 13:27:11 -0400
From: JB <beamup@vt.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: no, the correct answer is...
Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19971016132711.007b4d60@mail.vt.edu>
>>>"what do you get when you stick 50 programmers in a room?"
>>
>>Bored to tears, more than likely. (I'm a programmer. I'm allowed to say
>>nasty stuff like that about them. :))
>>
> And at least 25 arguments......
5 languages, 1000 pointers...leaks & dumps *AND* DT blaring out the
speakers...
J
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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 16:01:55 -0500 (CDT)
From: Dave Peterson <glyde@scc.net>
To: DT Mailing list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Buyer for Tiamat's Wildhoney
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.971016155913.3124A-100000@SOUND.SCC.NET>
To the guy who said he'd probably sell his Tiamat's "Wildhoney" album
if someone offered, drop me a line - I think you've found your buyer...
- Dr. Teeth
(Glyde@scc.net)
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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 23:07:49 +0100
From: Seroussi <seroussi@algonet.se>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: wtf?
Message-ID: <34469034.2398AED5@algonet.se>
hmm...is MonumentuM any good?
---- > From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br> > Subject: New Metallica album (NDTC)Now that's something that doesn't belong on the jam...metallica has its own newsgroup and countless webpages, thus I'm sure anyone here that cares will look for the information, there's no need to post it here...
---- DTC: jerome westfried doesn't know what he's talking about...
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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 22:23:04 +0100 (BST) From: George Tryfonas <gt4@ukc.ac.uk> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Learning to breathe Message-ID: <Pine.SV4.3.95.971016222018.5698A-100000@merlin.ukc.ac.uk>
Yes, when Derek plays his solo before James sings "Just close your eyes..." in JLMB just SOUNDS like what Kevin plays is LtL, only it's for three or four seconds -- and he plays it twice, methinks. It's hard to catch, 'cos he plays just a tiny part of it, but I think you're right.
********************************************************************** | George Tryfonas | God give me the power to take breath | | CSE 1st Year | from a breeze, and a life from a cold | | Univeristy of Kent | metal frame | | Canterbury, UK | - Kevin Moore, Dream Theater | **********************************************************************
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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 17:24:45 -0400 (EDT) From: "incorrigible ophelia ;(" <afn39111@afn.org> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Gwar is progressive. Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.95.971016171951.81928A-100000@freenet2.afn.org>
Someone asked, "how do they play with all that shit on?" The same thing could be asked of Peter Gabriel in Genesis days, "how does he sing with all that shit on?" So I'm thinking, Gwar is the continuance of old Genesis. They're not some tribute band, but they're doing new stuff with the same philosophy of what's important--the costumes.
Genesis is considered one of the big progressive bands. So Gwar, a Genesis type band, must be prog too.
Whattya think?
"The lion shall lie down with the lamb, and the little child shall ball them both." -- Lenny Bruce "If I did that, I would lose him. I would much rather lose you." Wish that anyone cared. Chapter One: http://www.afn.org/~afn39111
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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 17:27:49 -0400 From: "Matt Wilson" <Dreamline.7466@worldnet.att.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Wake Up! CD for sale (Dream Theater) Message-ID: <01bcda7a$5a3acec0$51bc440c@matt>
Hi Ytsejammers, The setlist for Wake Up! is as follows: CD1 (50:19) 1. Pull Me Under 2. 6:00 3. Take The Time 4. Caught In A Web 5. Lifting Shadows Off A Dream 6. Instrumental CD2 (56:40) 1. Instrumental 2. The Mirror 3. Lies 4. John Myung's Happy Birthday 5. Another Day 6. Erotomania 7. Voices 8. The Silent Man 9. Metropolis (Part One) Recorded live at the Urawa Bunka Center, Saitama, Japan, January 24th, 1995 $45.00 Seroius inquiries only please E-Mail: Dreamline.7466@worldnet.att.net Thank You For Your Time.
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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 97 00:12:04 PDT From: omeraron@mail.netvision.net.il To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: me again.... don't worrie,a fast one... Message-ID: <Chameleon.971017002228.omeraron@>
hey guys, i just wanted to share with MY list of the my cassete that i carrie ANYWHERE with me:best of dream theater,so it goes like that:
1)metropolis pt.1(dah!) 2)new millennium 3)ytsejam-from the live tokyo show(don't ask how i trunsfered it from the video) 4)only a matter of time 5)take the time 6)a fortune of lies-from live at the marquee,of course 7)lines in the sand 8)caught in a web 9)erotomania 10)under a glass moon 11)6:00 12)space-dye vest
for the record,if i had any room for it,i'll put learning to live, please tell me your comments.
oh,yea,i have a very intresting question,i just thought about it: did any of you actually WERE in the live at the marquee show? i mean phisicly,was there any ytsejamer in there????? just question...
yours truly omer
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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 17:52:30 -0400 From: Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Learning to Breathe? Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971016175230.010fb730@sol.eng.fore.com>
>How about the 'Lie' bassline reused in Lines In The Sand at 10:16, as well >as the silent man guitar part in erotomania, and the SDV piano part in >voices? Apparently DT has several riffs that they like, and reuse them, >whether intentionally or not. It's kinda hard to call it plagiarism, since >they're ripping themselves off, so i guess it's cool :) >
I noticed that the bassline during the verses of LITS sounded familiar. A couple days ago, I finally figured out that it sounded like Lie. This would make a pretty cool merger for the live set. I love the way they blend songs together, like ACOS:Inevitable Summer into Ytsejam (from the fix 96 shows). I'm not sure if Lie and LITS are in the same key though. Does anyone know if DT ever transposes their tunes, to blend with other tunes?
BTW, in the above paragraph, someone mentioned the SDV part in Voices. I don't think this is correct. The SDV part is in the Mirror, but I don't think it's in Voices. Correct me if I'm wrong.
KAI
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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 17:51:33 -0400 From: Robert Rivers <gehrig4@seacoast.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Providence Show Message-ID: <34468C65.19F2@seacoast.com>
If I remember correctly at the Providence "Fix" show , The Strand cut them off from playing their encore , Metropolis. Mike and James came out and apologized and said they would make it up to the fans in Providence. I think this WHJY concert is another shit deal. Not that it's a bad thing seeing DT even for an hour.
I'm sure they'll be back around to play Prov. hopefully Boston, NY and other northeast shows. Maybe some Holiday shows. Later Rob
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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 15:37:00 -0700 (PDT) From: acos0206@uriacc.uri.edu To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: JLMB solo Message-ID: <199710162237.PAA29249@odin.ax.com>
Hey, I don't know if anyone noticed....BUT......
]From around 3:50 to about 4:15 in JLMB the solo alternates speakers. AFter listening to it through headphones I'm holding the belief that keys are on one side and guitar is on the other. Yes yes the solo where its really quick alternating notes..... Further implanting my grudge against people who think these guys are going "guitar band"...... ;)
Feel free to say I'm wrong but I had a few other friends agree with me before I posted this.....<shrug>
Griswold
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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 18:40:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3123 Message-ID: <199710162240.SAA04035@njmsa.UMDNJ.EDU>
> > > Someone said, in reference to "Dream Out Loud": > > > BTW, at one point James says: "I don't know, is it just me or this guy > > here is third class with the guitar?" :) > > Ha ha. No. Actually JP is a first class guitarist :). What James said > (this might be paraphrased--don't feel like digging out the tape to > check) was: "I don't know, is it just me or does this guy's shirt clash > with his guitar?" John always wore those funky looking shirts with > patterns all over them during the IAW days. > > Jon Dery >
I think that Jon's quote is the one that's said on that boot.
-Al
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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 23:40:55 +0100 (BST) From: George Tryfonas <gt4@ukc.ac.uk> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Derek Sherinian and FII Message-ID: <Pine.SV4.3.95.971016231009.6389A-100000@merlin.ukc.ac.uk>
Just a small note about Derek's playing and the Falling Into Infinity album.
First things first: my fave DT album is Images and Words. I was always into songs involving lead synth (hence Pink Floyd, Yes, Emerson/Lake/Palmer were among my favorite rock bands) and I&W has LOTS of it -- think about songs like Metropolis, Under a Glass Moon, Learning to Live etc.
When Awake was released, there was an obvious change to DT's style. The guitar had taken over doing the solos for the most part, unlike I&W where there was a balance between the synth lead and the guitar lead. This is NOT to say that I did not enjoy Awake. On the contrary, I loved every bit of it. It's just that it's much different from I&W (not to mention WDADU, where the musical style was much more power metal like).
And then Kevin Moore left and Derek Sherinian joined in, when the band released "A Change of Seasons". The liner notes of the CD say that it was originally meant as a part of Metropolis, but I cannot see the relation between the two songs. They are COMPLETELY different in style -- at least when the ACoS CD was released, the band says that the song has been completely rewritten.
If I may say so, ACoS does not differ much from Awake in terms of keyboards. Mostly Derek was using strings (very effectively at that) at the back, with only two evident solos, in "The Inevitable Summer" and "The Darkest of Winters" instrumentals. The former song's solo was Deep Purple like while the latter one was more like Kevin would have played it. IMHO, though, Derek's synth lead there was not as "inventive" as Kevin's lead on Metropolis, for example. That is to say, not as inspired. I cannot express it better.
The FII album is completely different from anything DT have ever done as an album release (I haven't got any of their demos, so I wouldn't know about them). And that doesn't go just for the keyboards, but also for the rest of the instruments. As a matter of fact, the only songs that reminded me of the old Dream Theater were "Lines in the Sand" and "Trial of Tears". In no way am I saying that I don't like the album, it's just that I'm finding it hard to get used to it. If I were to hear WDADU, I&W, Awake and ACoS, I would immediately understand that they were DT albums. With FII I'm not so sure that this would happen so easily.
Concerning the keyboards of FII: I think that the jammers who are finding it hard to get used to the sound of FII, like me -- and from the recent postings I gather they are many -- should not crticize Derek and his playing for the change, as some of them have. One man alone cannot influence a whole band with his "innovative" ideas and change its style. The music for all the songs (as is stated in the liner notes) was written by Dream Theater collectively and NOT by Derek Sherinian alone.
The fact that DT have changed their style inbetween each and every one of their album releases comes to prove that those people are experimenting all the time. And that's really good for them.
Finally, I think that Derek is a really cool keyboard player. In time he will fit in with the band. FII is the first full length album he's done with the band, so for those who didn't like it: give him a second chance. He'll do better -- although he's doing really well already.
IMHO, I liked DT when Kevin was with the band more than I like them with Derek, but that does not go to say that I don't like them now. They always have and always will rock.
********************************************************************** | George Tryfonas | God give me the power to take breath | | CSE 1st Year | from a breeze, and a life from a cold | | Univeristy of Kent | metal frame | | Canterbury, UK | - Kevin Moore, Dream Theater | **********************************************************************
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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 15:51:04 -0700 (MST) From: eckie@asu.edu To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Kev coming back Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.971016154709.29795A-100000@general4.asu.edu>
> I dont think the band would take him back...but in *my* dreams they > would, and keep derek also.. and do like Shadow Gallery... 2 > keyboardists!!!!!
*banging head against keyboard* Uh, yeah. Whatever. Like this thread hasn't been overtreaded enough....
:^P
I'm about to take a shit. Does anybody have any opinions they'd like to share with the jam about that?
Oh yeah, and DT rules.
~Eckie still has 200+ ytsemails to wade through from the past 3 DAYS!?
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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 16:01:15 -0700 (MST) From: eckie@asu.edu To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: wtf? Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.971016155718.29795C-100000@general4.asu.edu>
> > From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br> > > Subject: New Metallica album (NDTC) > > Now that's something that doesn't belong on the jam...metallica has its > own newsgroup and countless webpages, thus I'm sure anyone here that > cares will look for the information, there's no need to post it here...
I'm sure that we don't need email about DT tour dates either, since there's about ten billion DT web pages running around the Internet, huh?
Thanks Roger, that post was one of the most informative posts I've read in a Loooooong time!
And I'm sure many other MMMMMMMMMMMETAL fans here would agree!
~Eckie is Big Ass Sig File (tm) Free!
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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 19:14:06 -0400 From: Misha Horowitz <mhorowit@ziplink.net> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: RE: Gwar, NDTC Message-ID: <01BCDA67.ACE05180@bos-ip-2-12.ziplink.net>
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wouldn't consider them one of the most innovative bands out there. Although the costumes were a nice touch - how do they play with all that shit on?
-"Q"=20
Well, that's a very good question. From what I've heard, the band = members have to play a series of 30-40 minute sets or they overheat in = their costumes...I wonder what it's like inside Gore-Gore the Dinosaur? = Anyway, my brother went to a concert, and he came back absolutely = COVERED in fake blood. The shirt is still pink...
-Misha
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