YTSEJAM Digest 3107
Today's Topics:
1) Re: DT Crippleware
by Chad Allen Klunck <cak6981@omega.uta.edu>
2) -=: Beyond Reality:=-
by YtseJim <lutz@uhavax.hartford.edu>
3) Farewell to John Denver, Trans-Siberian Orchestra
by Phil Carter <carter@negia.net>
4) MAGNA CARTA info
by Ryan Good <rtgood@students.wisc.edu>
5) 10 cds of 97, Tony Levin
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
6) UNCLASSIFIED:-Re: fuzzy logic-Tage, TSO
by Graham.Boyle.149036@navy.gov.au
7) SDV
by Electrasex <webmaster@electrasex.com>
8) UNCLASSIFIED:-A Question
by Graham.Boyle.149036@navy.gov.au
9) lossy, the lost word. :)
by kylania <kylania@radiks.net>
10) Sometimes
by Electrasex <webmaster@electrasex.com>
11) Hello
by Peg Nelson <pegnel@rocketmail.com>
12) <G>
by Electrasex <webmaster@electrasex.com>
13) UNCLASSIFIED:-Re: Farewell to John Denver, Trans-Siberian
by Graham.Boyle.149036@navy.gov.au
14) UNCLASSIFIED:-WDADU
by Graham.Boyle.149036@navy.gov.au
15) There is hope / riddle / ACOS Tab Project
by Brandon Vaughn <vaughn_b@chipola.cc.fl.us>
16) Re: Hello
by -@caribe.net
17) TV screen sound in SDV
by "Paul Gregory Humm" <humm@levy.com>
18) FW: Atlantic Records
by Lobsterback <hender@wam.umd.edu>
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 16:41:08 -0500
From: Chad Allen Klunck <cak6981@omega.uta.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: DT Crippleware
Message-ID: <34429574.F32091E1@omega.uta.edu>
> Some people have requested that these songs be MP3'd.....
> an example of audio piracy...
> MP3 *part* of these songs...
> see if they like them...
> in poor quality...
> can form an opinion on getting them for themselves.
"Ladies and gentlemen, we here at J-Mart direct your attention to aisle
4, where we have a green light special. Yes, now you too can be the
proud owner of the newest creation on the Internet...we like to call it
"Ytse-shareware". Yes folks, the "try before you buy" concept is
applicable to Dream Theater as well! Take a number, fall into a
single-file line, and reserve your copy today!"
My God, what has the 'jam come to? :)
Chad
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 18:07:38 -0400
From: YtseJim <lutz@uhavax.hartford.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: -=: Beyond Reality:=-
Message-ID: <34429BAA.8E6C9E6D@uhavax.hartford.edu>
Someone asked last week about the band 'Beyond Reality'.
Well for those of you interested in sampling some of their music,
head to the following page:
http://uhavax.hartford.edu/~lutz
I know some of you are probably seeing the Savatage gig here in
Connecticut,
so here's a taste of whats to come from the opening band....
The recording does not do them justice, it was recorded 2 years ago...
If there are any questions or problems, please let me know!
Thanks! YtseJim
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 18:06:01 -0400
From: Phil Carter <carter@negia.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Farewell to John Denver, Trans-Siberian Orchestra
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971013180601.00690040@pop.negia.net>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids...
A moment of silence, please, at the death of the musical genius John
Denver.... :)
=DCber Cabe remarked:
>By the 25th of December, TSO *will* be sold out. Believe me when I say
>will. :) It seems there are many people who throughout the year don't
>buy anything music related. But when christmas rolls around they hoard
>up on stuff like TSO, Merry Axeman, dogs barking to jiggle bells, you
>know that kind of stuff. :)
Okay, so just when's TSO being rereleased, then? When I heard all the fuss
about it last year I went looking for a copy, but I could never find it
anyplace. Would it be under the Savatage stuff, or under T for
Trans-Siberian Orchestra, or in the Christmas music section? I'm
confused...not that that's anything new.=20
Merry Axemas -- that at least I know will be released tomorrow. Satch, Vai,
and Morse doing Christmas carols. I like the sound of that. :)
Cheers,
Phil
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Phil Carter -- carter@negia.net http://www.negia.net/~carter=20
"Music brings peace to the restless, and comforts the sorrowful. They who
no longer know where to turn find new ways. And those who have despaired,
gain new confidence and love." -- Pablo Casals
Currently playing: Dream Theater -- "Falling Into Infinity"
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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 04:19:18 -0500
From: Ryan Good <rtgood@students.wisc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: MAGNA CARTA info
Message-ID: <199710132212.RAA105024@mail1.doit.wisc.edu>
Hey all-
I got this in the email today and thought some might be interested!
*Trent Gardner (of Magellan) has written a new project, tentatively titled
"Impact". This is another incredible complex piece of music, which will
include some special guests. Terry Bozzio has laid down the drums and
rhythms for the album. Terry was quite impressed with the intricacy of
Trent's time changes. James Murphy (Testament, "Working Man" tribute) has
been engineering the project. Other notable guests will include John
Petrucci and Derek Sherinian (Dream Theater) and Billy Sheehan (Mr Big,
Talas, David Lee Roth). This album will be out in the beginning of 1998.
More info as it becomes available.
*Tony Levin, John Petrucci, Mike Portnoy and Jordan Rudess have recorded an
album together. Similar in concept to the "Black Light Syndrome" album, the
players went into the studio and improvised and spontaneously compose the
music. They recorded about 70 minutes worth of long instrumental progressive
rock pieces. Look for more details in the near future.
*Shadow Gallery are working away on "Tyranny", the band is promising this
album to be even more powerful than their previous efforts.
*Cairo have mixed their "Conflict and Dreams" album. Mark Robertson has gone
over the top with the keyboards for this album. Long compositions in the
tradition of their first album. Look for this in January of '98.
Check out our web site http://www.magnacarta.net/ for more complete info. I
will email out updates on a more regular basis in the future.
As always, all Cds will be available through record stores everywhere.
Thanks,
Dan Hanley
Magna Carta
Thare you have it.
_____________________________________________________
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-Enchant
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 23:28:44 +0100
From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: 10 cds of 97, Tony Levin
Message-ID: <01BCD836.2173C4C0@ns.globalxs.nl>
Stephen LaMonica wrote :
> I just felt the need to share my list of top 10 cds of 97 thus
> far...let me know if you agree
I disagree. Top 10 lists are off limits on this list. :-)
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Eric Herrmann wrote :
> I heard about JP and MP project with jordan Rudess and Tony Levin.
> But can anyone tell me who is Tony Levin ?
He is one of the best bassplayers around, drives a harley, is bald,
and lives about 10 minutes from Woodstock. He is best known for his
work with Paul Simon, Peter Gabriel, King Crimson, Anderson Bruford
Wakeman Howe and eleven songs on Yes' "Union" album. :-) He also
has a homepage at http://www.papabear.com/tlev.htm if you want to
read more about the Millenium Project. For even more details, check
out Jordan Rudess' homepage at http://www.bway.net/~jordan
Mark
____________________________________________________bredius@globalxs.nl__
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(Genesis - Shipwrecked) [_/ [_/ \___][_/ \_] [__/
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Itchy's http://www.prognosis.com/itchy/ H Website http://www.a-vip.com/H
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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 08:28:34 +1000
From: Graham.Boyle.149036@navy.gov.au
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: UNCLASSIFIED:-Re: fuzzy logic-Tage, TSO
Message-ID: <4A25652F.007AD2D8.00@nschq-e-navy.navy.gov.au>
>So they don't want to compete against themselves in December, but they
don't mind in >January?
Hands up those who are gonna buy a christmas CD in January ?
How many jammers missed out on the CD, try getting it after xmas and
couldn't get a copy ?
The pre-christmas release of new albums is a big no-no for many major
labels, unless the Cd
is one of those xmasy-type album or is gonna be flogged on TV or radio.
I think that the record company works on the theory that they'd save a new
release from getting
lost in the pre-xmas ruch and have it go largely unnoticed, for a January
release to give it a better
chance sales wise.
gRaham_
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 18:34:01 -0400
From: Electrasex <webmaster@electrasex.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com, Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Cc: jlenaway@umich.edu
Subject: SDV
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971013183401.00689524@ee.net>
>Am I the only one, that thinks this noise sounds intentional? Theres a
>big of white noise pop before the "TV whine" that we've been
It's intentional, like someone falling asleep in front of the TV
late at night. You'll notice there are some audio clips from
late night television talk shows in there as well...
buster
http://users1.ee.net/buster/
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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 08:47:25 +1000
From: Graham.Boyle.149036@navy.gov.au
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: UNCLASSIFIED:-A Question
Message-ID: <4A25652F.007BC20E.00@nschq-e-navy.navy.gov.au>
Okay is a mini-disc (recordable type) really worth the money ?
I only want one so I can put all my live boots (tapes) on to disc, rather
than worry about the tape snapping everytime I play one.
Can someone (in the USA, I wanna know the price difference between here and
Oz) ) tell me how much one will set me back and which are the good/bad
brands, thanks.
gRaham_
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 17:39:29 -0500 (CDT)
From: kylania <kylania@radiks.net>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: lossy, the lost word. :)
Message-ID: <Pine.SV4.3.96.971013173754.17774B-100000@sr.radiks.net>
> On the Eve of Destruction, Kevin Madden said:
> >
> >
> >Can not one of the three of you spell "lousy" ???? (Not lousily, thank God)
> >I understand Marcelo is not a native English speaker, but the other two
> >of you...I thought you all have invented something new!
>
> Lousy compression is when you pipe your shitty $20 boombox through a Pringles
> can...
See here: http://canada.cnet.com/Briefs/Glossary/Terms/lossy.html for what
"lossy" means in the graphics world, I'm sure it's similar in the audio
world.
Dave
-- "They just took away all my promises, make them take away my pain. You took away my hero. Will you take away my pain?" -J. Petrucci for J.E. Petrucci------------------------------
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 18:41:23 -0400 From: Electrasex <webmaster@electrasex.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: erodger@fore.com Subject: Sometimes Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971013184123.00689524@ee.net>
>From: Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com> >To: ytsejam@ax.com >Subject: Apology >Folks, >I need to apologize for letting things get out of control last week. I was >essentially off the list last year at this time, so I was unaware that
It takes courage to post you're opionions on here, but
It takes integrity to apologize/admit when you've been wrong.
Way to go Kai,
buster http://users1.ee.net/buster/ http://www.dhpc.com/ryche/
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 15:41:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Peg Nelson <pegnel@rocketmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Hello Message-ID: <19971013224117.7379.rocketmail@send1.rocketmail.com>
Hello, everyone-
I am new to the internet and new to this list,obviously. My favorite band is DT so I am glad to have friends to discuss them with. I will be looking for some web sites on DT. I am sure there are many of them. Any suggestions where I should start?Thanks.
Peg
_____________________________________________________________________ Sent by RocketMail. Get your free e-mail at http://www.rocketmail.com
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 18:45:20 -0400 From: Electrasex <webmaster@electrasex.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: <G> Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971013184520.00689524@ee.net>
>Please cancel my subsciption to the jam.
ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
sorry, i couldnt resist...wont take up any more bandwidth now.... :)
buster
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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 08:56:18 +1000 From: Graham.Boyle.149036@navy.gov.au To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: UNCLASSIFIED:-Re: Farewell to John Denver, Trans-Siberian Message-ID: <4A25652F.007D868F.00@nschq-e-navy.navy.gov.au>
>Okay, so just when's TSO being rereleased, then? When I heard all the fuss about it >last year I went looking for a copy, but I could never find it anyplace. Would it be >under the Savatage stuff, or under T for Trans-Siberian Orchestra, or in the Christmas >music section? I'm confused...not that that's anything new.=20
Uh, is this some sort of trick question ? I guess the obvious answer would be to ask at the counter ? The logical reply from jammers would be: 'Only to get a weird 'WTF' look from the brain dead shop assistant' and 'WHO was that again, never heard of them' Maybe with some promotion some of the stores might even have-an-in-store display ?
:) gRaham_
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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 09:04:09 +1000 From: Graham.Boyle.149036@navy.gov.au To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: UNCLASSIFIED:-WDADU Message-ID: <4A25652F.007E07A2.00@nschq-e-navy.navy.gov.au>
WDADU was my first DT purchase as most of you know back in 1989, I'd say it is very special to me. Whenever I listen to WDADU I get a feeling that non of the other DT albums give me. I don't really have a single fave DT album, they are all good, songwise ACOS to my ears is the best thing the band has ever done. As for a re-recording of WDADU with KJLB on vox, NO, not ever. As someone said yesterday, some of the songs just don't suit his voice.
gRaham_
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 18:03:17 -0700 From: Brandon Vaughn <vaughn_b@chipola.cc.fl.us> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: There is hope / riddle / ACOS Tab Project Message-ID: <01IORP1EXIUK000GNY@WIZARD.FIRN.EDU>
Kai wrote:
>I need to apologize for letting things get out of control last week. I was
>excuse. I let a couple of points that I felt strongly about get way out of >hand, and I was so pissed off at one point, that I was whining like a baby. >I've accepted the fact that my method of exposure was inexcusable,
>I hadn't thought about a lot of possibilities. Thanks especially to Chris >Ptacek for having some intelligent refutes to my points.
Wow, I think this is one of the first apologies I have ever read on the Jam. And a sincere one at that! The fact that someone actually listened to someone's arguments with openness . . . well, I guess there is hope for this world yet. Sure beats the continual flames and string of four-letter words as a reply. (By the way, that isn't my strange way of asking for flames, either . . . it is just always refreshing when you hear someone admitting that they messed up).
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Can anyone help me with this riddle? I heard it over a year ago and still can't figure it out. The riddle goes: "There are three words that end in -gry . . . angry, hungry, and what? It is a word that you use almost everyday." Another version I have heard is that "if you have listened closely to what I have said, then you already heard the answer." Does anybody know what the answer to this stupid riddle is, or is it wrong.
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Just wanted to remind everybody that I'll be sending Petrucci a copy of the TAB this week. I haven't heard from anybody yet (though I haven't checked my mail recently), so please send in any last minute items. I did find one typo the other day, so I will correct that on his copy first, and then try to get the updated version to the web.
\\||// ~~..'~ ( \ ) Brandon Vaughn \ c/ __\/__ "The Mad Tabber" / \ _< . _ \ vaughn_b@popmail.firn.edu \ `\ \ -' / \ \ ,,,_ >|""O[|||||nn[:::< bvaughn@snowhill.com /_,--- ._\ '''''~ ~ | | | | |
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 19:03:57 -0400 From: -@caribe.net To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Hello Message-ID: <3442A8DD.79FB@caribe.net>
Peg Nelson wrote: > > Hello, everyone- > > I am new to the internet and new to this list,obviously. > My favorite band is DT so I am glad to have friends > to discuss them with. I will be looking for some > web sites on DT. I am sure there are many of them. > Any suggestions where I should start?Thanks. > > Peg > > _____________________________________________________________________ > Sent by RocketMail. Get your free e-mail at http://www.rocketmail.com
You can try dt's official webpage
therres a jumpstation there..where you can find all kinds of dt related links
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 16:12:11 -0800 From: "Paul Gregory Humm" <humm@levy.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: TV screen sound in SDV Message-ID: <199710132320.QAA19006@baygate.bayarea.net>
> from what i remember when MMTBH first appeared, the story that kev mo gave > *was* exactly that... he was flipping channels one day and recording > samples almost at random. and i think at least some of the samples on the > Awake version were also obtained that way - for example that sample where > everyone hears the hi-freq noise. i'd bet that noise is there because it > was recorded at random from a live broadcast (the OJ car chase) and they > just couldn't edit it all that well - or KM just left it in for effect. > either way...
My interpretation: The high-pitched sound that everyone is referring to is the sound that a TV screen makes. (Some people may be able to hear it better than others, depending on how high a frequency you can hear. Generally the ability to hear high frequencies decreases with age and with exposure to loud noises like DT concerts. :) Therefore by inserting that noise into the song, Kevin Moore is letting us know that a TV has just been turned on, because _we can hear the TV screen_. When I first heard Space-Dye Vest, my first reaction on hearing that sound was "hey it sounds like someone turned on a TV."
One final note: I think that the TV screen sound in SDV may be slightly lower in pitch than the sound made by an actual TV screen (I'm not sure), so it may be possible that some people can hear the sound in SDV, but not the (slightly higher pitched) sound of a TV screen.
Sorry to take up jam space with such a minor point.
-Paul ---------------- Paul Humm humm@levy.com
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 19:26:54 -0400 From: Lobsterback <hender@wam.umd.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: FW: Atlantic Records Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19971013192654.0068a7cc@pop.wam.umd.edu>
I found the last paragraph particularly disturbing...
>>Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 11:15:21 -0400 (EDT) >>X-Sender: boojum@mail.snet.net >>X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 >>To: zeppelin-l@lists.Stanford.EDU >>From: LeBeau/Shea <boojum@snet.net> >>Subject: Atlantic Records >>Sender: owner-zeppelin-l@lists.Stanford.EDU >> >>Here's an article that appeared in this Sunday's New London Day newspaper. >>It's a wire reprint of a New York Daily News article. WHile it has little >>Zep content, it is related somewhat and I found the article to be >interesting. >> >>For those not interested, please delete now. >>For the rest of you, enjoy... >> >>Cheryl >>All typos are mine... >>=========================================================================== >=== >> >>Atlantic Records Close To Becoming Top Label >>by Phyllis Furman (New York Daily News) >> >>Once Struggling Atlantic Records is close to grabbing the record industry's >>top spot as the No. 1 label this year. >> >>Sailing into the final months of the year, Atlantic--the famed music label >>that spawned rock legends Led Zeppelin, Phil Collins [phil collins a >>legend??? yeeech!--cl], and the Rolling Stones--is steaming ahead to top all >>others in the music business. Marking one of the most impressive record >>comeback stories, so far this year Atlantic has grabbed 8.4 percent of the >>market, far outpacing the industry's next biggest contender, Arista Records. >> >>Atlantic's resurgence comes just two years after a stunning management >>shakeup that saw the ouster of label head Danny Goldberg, the sale of >>controversial label Interscope and a staggering slowdown in record sales. >> >>Atlantic--which dropped to fifth place last year amid turmoil at its parent >>company Warner Music Group--soared back to the top by cultivating one of the >>country's hottest new pop artists, superstar folk singer Jewel. The blond >>crooner's debut album, "Pieces of You" has sold 6 million copies in the US, >>while global sales of the album are expected to reach at least 10 million. >> >>At a time when most music companies are struggling to break new acts, >>Atlantic has propelled a host of diverse new hitmakers ranging from rock >>acts Matchbox 20 and Sugar Ray to rapper Lil' Kim and R & B artist Aaliyah. >>One of Atlantic's highest fliers has been its blockbuster movie soundtrack >>"Space Jam", which sold 5 million copies in the United States this year. >> >>$750 Million In Sales This Year >> >>All told, Atlantic's global sales will likely hit $750 Million this year, >>while its profits are expected to triple. "We're the healthiest we've been >>in Atlantic's 50-year history," said Val Azzoli, who shares the title of >>Atlantic's cochairman with label founder Ahmet Ertegun. >> >>Atlantic's comeback is especially sweet for Azzoli, a low-key 42 year old >>music exec. The music industry was waiting for Azzoli to self-destruct when >>he took over Atlantic from its long-time leader Doug Morris and its highly >>respected lieutenant, Danny Goldberg. >> >>While Azzoli--who joined Atlantic in 1990 after making his name as a rock >>band manager--had proven to be a shrewed marketer, many believed he lacked >>the talent for attracting new artists. "Everyone counted Val out," said Los >>Angeles rock manager Allen Kovack. Even Goldberg praises his successor's >>performance. "With Jewel, Sugar Ray...he has a very imressive group of hit >>records," he said. >> >>Azzoli's strides also are impressive because he has turned Atlantic into a >>bright spot at lumbering Warner Music Group, whose profits overall are >falling. >>It took a total remix at Atlantic to bring the label back. Azzoli started >>by laying off dozens of workers. He also dropped many of Atlantic's joint >>ventures with independent labels. >> >>But his most crucial strategy was aimed at cultivating new artists. He >>chopped away at the label's ballooning roster and focused on the acts he >>knew he could turn into winners. "We used to throw things against the wall >>and see what would stick," Azzoli said. "Now we put out fewer records and >>work them harder." >> >>============================================================================
Brian Henderson hender@wam.umd.edu
"I go off to college and major public figures start dropping like flies!" -- A. Hawley
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