YTSEJAM Digest 3105
Today's Topics:
1) Re: MiniDiscs, CD Burner, AAAAAHHHHH! =)
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
2) SDV 3:30
by "ÞrØgßø¥" <calfaro@caribe.net>
3) re: music appreciation
by Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
4)
by Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
5) MP and JP Project
by Eric Herrmann <eric.herrmann@rocketmail.com>
6)
by Mark McCarthy <mccarthy@securecomputing.com>
7) re: ma101
by Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
8) Hollow Years Chords
by Shai Yallin <Yallin@Netvision.net.il>
9) Re Music Tastes
by David_Cuthbert@Interflora.CCMAIL.compuserve.com
10) Dogs Barking To Death Metal...buy one for the kids
by Über Cabe <caber1@concentric.net>
11) Re: At Fates Hands...interpretation?
by The Phoenix <rctaylor@students.uiuc.edu>
12) TAMP and Speak to Me demos from Japan FII
by NightCast <NightCast@usa.net>
13) This'll make a dog cringe...
by Jon Kretschmer <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
14) Re: MP and JP Project
by Mauricio Martinez Villarreal <al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
15) Re: This'll make a dog cringe...
by Mauricio Martinez Villarreal <al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
16) Re: LA show on 12th or 11th
by "James Garrett"<james.garrett@tekelec.com>
17) passions, etc.
by "Tedesco, Matthew" <tedescom@BDD.com>
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 11:28:07 -0200 (EDT)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: MiniDiscs, CD Burner, AAAAAHHHHH! =)
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.971013112519.969D-100000@hoare.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Mon, 13 Oct 1997, Lauren Glenn wrote:
> >> :-) BTW, I just bought a CD-RW burner and finished installing it. :-)
> Life
> >> will be better now, with more bootlegs. :-) But I still have to test if
> >> CD-RW's can be played on my stereo.
> >
> > Hey, it's nice to hear that... :)
> > Is tomorrow OK for a quick visit to your house??? :)
> > Don't worry about CD-R's and you player, mine is the same and my CD-R's
> >run without problem (before you ask, it has not arrived from the tech
> >yet :) ).
>
> CD-R's aren't the same as CD-RW's. From what I've heard about CD-RW's
> (which isn't too much), is that they won't work in most players except for
> the CD-RW's. It's not the fault of the discs, just the players. In time,
> newer players will probably be designed to play them.
Perfectly. Some newer Sony CD players are able to read CD-RW's. I
haven't tested them with my stereo tough, but I'm not very confident that
they will work.
But, that CD-RW burner burns both CD-R and CD-RW medias. :-)
> Lauren
[]s, Roger...
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 09:58:58 -0400 From: "ÞrØgßø¥" <calfaro@caribe.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: SDV 3:30 Message-ID: <34422922.3B011130@caribe.net>
Um..is it when the "facing facts..facing reality..hes gonna have to face it" sample starts? ...some kind of hiss or soemthing like that???
If its that ..well.. i hear it loud and clear and it goes on a bit longer..i dont remember how long now..
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 10:20:30 -0400 From: Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: re: music appreciation Message-ID: <3.0.32.19971013102028.0068d54c@mail.ici.net>
I'm just going to summarize my thoughts here on Clark's post from #3101:
Analyzing music does not equate to gaining an appreciation for it. Analysis is just a critical examination of the components. You could analyze a piece of music and conclude that it sucks. Appreciation is a recognition of aesthetic quality in the comosition - you like the music. All analysis does is increase your understanding (comprehension) of the piece. That can make you like the music more or less, but that appreciation has to be there already.
----- _____Pat Sullivan_____________________________________ E-Mail: psull@ici.net WWW: http://www.ici.net/cust_pages/psull/psull.html IRC: DDictator ICQ: 2049374 ______________________________________________________ There cannot be a crisis today; my schedule is already full.
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 10:30:26 -0400 From: Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Message-ID: <3.0.32.19971013103024.0068f440@mail.ici.net>
>Ok , I think i know what Clark is talking about. Lets look at 2 completely >different songs: > >Learning to Live > >and > >Smells Like Teen Spirit :)
But don't forget, in this case the analysis is biased. There are a large number of people out ther (I know many of them) who don't hear emotion in DT's music. They hear intricate, precision playing, but not much more.
I daresay a pro-Nirvana, anti-DT fan would give a much different analysis (and would select different songs, I'm sure).
_____Pat Sullivan_____________________________________ E-Mail: psull@ici.net WWW: http://www.ici.net/cust_pages/psull/psull.html IRC: DDictator ICQ: 2049374 ______________________________________________________ There cannot be a crisis today; my schedule is already full.
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 07:24:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Eric Herrmann <eric.herrmann@rocketmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: MP and JP Project Message-ID: <19971013142440.25360.rocketmail@send1.rocketmail.com>
Hi there,
I heard about JP and MP project with jordan Rudess and Tony Levin. But can anyone tell me who is Tony Levin ?
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 09:27:49 -0500 From: Mark McCarthy <mccarthy@securecomputing.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Message-ID: <199710131427.JAA10255@satyr.sctc.com>
Subject: Re: TOUR DATES In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 12 Oct 1997 15:38:24 PDT." <199710122227.SAA26227@daffy.cs.wm.edu> -------- > > OK, as noted, this is *ALL* that is official. Don't e-mail me saying "But > what about my town?" cause I don't know. All I know is what Mike told me. > -d
. . .
> Sun. Nov. 2nd - First Avenue - Minneapolis, Mn.
. . . YES! I gave Don the heads up on Saturday. Now, I'll call him back and confirm it.
Thanks for keeping me posted. The new record just kicks ass. DT has always been real good at mixing the hard stuff with a slow down here and there. I've been listening to it alot over the weekend...
Mark
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 10:39:10 -0400 From: Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: re: ma101 Message-ID: <3.0.32.19971013103905.0068c4a0@mail.ici.net>
I really should have condensed these better, but oh well. :)
>One more thing: if you happen to be someone who doesn't understand why >people analyze music, do us a favor and skip the bloody post. I love >that kind of stuff.
Good for you. Really.
As the person who doesn't understand it, let me say: I *do* skip the posts sometimes. I never suggested that that kind of thing didn't belong, or that it was wrong, just that I thought some of it was a little ridiculous, that's all.
----- _____Pat Sullivan_____________________________________ E-Mail: psull@ici.net WWW: http://www.ici.net/cust_pages/psull/psull.html IRC: DDictator ICQ: 2049374 ______________________________________________________ There cannot be a crisis today; my schedule is already full.
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 16:56:37 +0200 From: Shai Yallin <Yallin@Netvision.net.il> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Hollow Years Chords Message-ID: <344236A5.15E3@Netvision.net.il>
Well, I had nothing to do last night, so I learned Hollow Years.
Here it is:
Verse (these chords are by Ernesto i think): {Dm Dm/C Gsus2 Gm7/A A Dm Am7} x 2
Bridge: (carry me to the shoreline....) {Dm Bb C Am} x 3 Bb C
Chorus: (Once the stone...) {F Bb C} x 2 F Bb C Am Dm F G Bb C (maybe the last F isn't right, I did it just before I went to sleep)
Part after chorus played by derek on piano: {F Dm Bb C} x 2
In the last bridge the last chord is Csus4 to C, and the chorus after that is tranpositioned 1 tone up.
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 11:20:40 -0400 From: David_Cuthbert@Interflora.CCMAIL.compuserve.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re Music Tastes Message-ID: <199710131124_MC2-23B7-2331@compuserve.com>
I'm going to tell you a about a friend of mine that has a huge CD collection with all types of music including things like Floyd, Ozrics, Vai, Satch, Jazz, ELP he also listens to a lot of Rap, Drum n Bass, Oasis. He's very passionate about his music, enough to pay for a Audio Engineering course out of his own pocket, he will slag down commercial shit till he's blue in the face, he knows the guys in Dream Theater are awesome musicians, but whenever I put Images & Words on he can't handle it, why I don't know. I haven't played him FII yet but I will, maybe its lighter feel will help. But my point is that this guy is not into DT but is still very passionate about people stealing ideas and just putting out records to make money, this we agree on and I think this is a more important principle than exactly what music it is you are actually listening to. Paul, I wouldn't worry about Oasis too much cause to amount of shit there taking over here (England) at the minute is quite amusing, and you'll have to queue up behind me and a lot of other people if you want to inflict injury on the tool. David C.
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 10:42:40 -0700 From: Über Cabe <caber1@concentric.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Dogs Barking To Death Metal...buy one for the kids Message-ID: <34425D90.54B7@concentric.net>
Hi everyone,
> From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com> > Subject: fuzzy logic-Tage, TSO > >TSO is also working on a second album that is not Christmas based, but > >is simular by using passages from well known classical composers. This > >is also due out in Janurary. > So they don't want to compete against themselves in December, but they > don't mind in January?
By the 25th of December, TSO *will* be sold out. Believe me when I say will. :) It seems there are many people who throughout the year don't buy anything music related. But when christmas rolls around they hoard up on stuff like TSO, Merry Axeman, dogs barking to jiggle bells, you know that kind of stuff. :) --- > From: "Neil Gallop" <nga@software-ag.de> > Subject: Musings > The Tiamat/The Gathering gig last Monday was amazing.
Everyone go out and buy Tiamat, right now!!! It's a weird combination of "less is more"/some death vocals/synth. I don't think I've have ever been so amazed at the how good something was, because it was so simple. Yeah yeah I know I'm listening to the music too closely. :)
And since I've been on a rampage of death metal with some synth work...Get Cynic(me likie the fusion stuff). I don't care what you have to do to get it. Kill me, and steal it from me, if you have to. Just get it! :)
Über Cabe caber1@concentric.net
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 10:39:34 -0500 (CDT) From: The Phoenix <rctaylor@students.uiuc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: At Fates Hands...interpretation? Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.971013103708.11491A-100000@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu>
> "Trapped by the Tempest of the blind, our muted calls can't be heard..." > > .. it seems like he is summing up the frustration that FW and most > other prog. bands would be experiencing or would have experienced in > their careers. It's obvious that even though DT doesn't get near enough > exposure, FW gets even less.
That seems to be the theme I picked up, also, for most of the Perfect Symmetry album as well. Look at the song Static Acts.
-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_- | Robert Taylor The world may seem flown away | | rctaylor@uiuc.edu Almost as if it cannot be saved | | The Phoenix Will we be able to rise | | From these ashes we've sown | -~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 09:10:02 -0600 From: NightCast <NightCast@usa.net> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: TAMP and Speak to Me demos from Japan FII Message-ID: <01BCD7BD.8A650BC0@tron>
I just got the Japanese version of FII with the demo versions of TAMP and Speak To Me.. and.. I am *VERY* impressed. I noticed that the lyrics on TAMP are a little bit different (will transcribe them if anyone is interested.. e-mail me personally) as if that song wasn't depressing enough. I like these lyrics better. I hope this is how they sing it live, assuming they do it live. There is a reference to 'Jesus,' which could have been why they were changed.. maybe Shirley didn't want the religious friction. I'll definitely say that they have the potential to be MUCH more contraversial.
Speak To Me is incredible.. although I think it has a 'The Cure' feel to it, a lot like Love Song. Someone said it sounded like U2, but I don't see this in it at all.. (then again, I despise U2 so...) Will transcribe these lyrics too if anyone's interested.
Some people have requested that these songs be MP3'd so that they wouldn't need to shell out money for the Japanese CD.. This is, I feel, too blatant an example of audio piracy. However, if people are seriously interested, I will do one of two things.. MP3 *part* of these songs so that people can get a feel for them and see if they like them, or perhaps MP3 the entire song in poor quality, if people request that I do so. (Again, private e-mail) My goal is to let people here them without depriving DT of sales so that they can form an opinion on getting them for themselves.
Anyway.. ytse on. :-) -James
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 09:17:20 -0700 From: Jon Kretschmer <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: This'll make a dog cringe... Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971013091720.007e7840@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
>> Actually in double blind tests, some people can tell the difference between >> lossy compression and non-lossy due to tinning in the hi frequencies. Most >> people can't hear past 15khz anyways...
First of all, what is lossy compresion? I thought people were just misspelling "lousy" : )
> Well, I can hear the fly back sound on Space Dye-Vest. I think >that its frequence is higher than 15kHz, isn't it (you know, it starts at >about 3:30)?
Second, if its that REALLY high pitched sound that comes in with the guy talking, I can hear it clear as day, although it isnt exactly comfortable to concentrate on. Its the same sound a TV makes. You can always tell a tv is on in another room by that really high pitched sound it makes. I can tell 4 rooms away.
Maybe Im just weird or something. Who knows.
Jon
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 11:24:03 -0500 (CDT) From: Mauricio Martinez Villarreal <al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: MP and JP Project Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.971013112248.40994C@academ04.mty.itesm.mx>
On Mon, 13 Oct 1997, Eric Herrmann wrote:
> > Hi there, > > I heard about JP and MP project with jordan Rudess and Tony Levin. > But can anyone tell me who is Tony Levin ?
Tony levin is the long time and current bassist (or stick player too) for King Crimson. He is now playing in a side project with Terry bozzio and steve stevens.> > > > _____________________________________________________________________ > Sent by RocketMail. Get your free e-mail at http://www.rocketmail.com > >
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 11:27:22 -0500 (CDT) From: Mauricio Martinez Villarreal <al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: This'll make a dog cringe... Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.971013112515.40994D-100000@academ04.mty.itesm.mx>
I noticed too that in space dye vest, in the middle of the song, there is a hig pitched frequency, like the one a tv would make when its turned on. When i heard it i tought that the cd was defective, and was about to return it because it bothered me. But as time passed by i didnt care anymore.
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 09:29:52 -0700 From: "James Garrett"<james.garrett@tekelec.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: LA show on 12th or 11th Message-ID: <8825652F.005A7F0A.00@domino1.ca.tekelec.com>
I picked up my tickets on Friday--they say the 11th.
james g.
Conrad Chi <uchic00@mcl.ucsb.edu>: wrote: >Today's la times lists the DT show on the 11th. >Last week's edition lists the show for the 12th. >You might want to call the House of Blues to make sure.
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 12:38:00 -0400 From: "Tedesco, Matthew" <tedescom@BDD.com> To: ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: passions, etc. Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=BDD%l=BDD/MSMAIL/0020D5B5@nt_mail.bdd.com>
Hello all,
There's been much discussion lately about comparing different passions, with specific reference to DT's (and music's, on a broader scale) role in each of our lives. Someone mentioned aviation in response, while another mentioned animals, I believe. While those are legitimate passions, of course, I wonder how closely they relate to music. Music falls into an interesting category somewhere betwen (and within) both entertainment and art, which distances it, I think, from these (and most other) passions.
I've had this discussion with friends of mine who have a particularly acute passion for movies. I'll go with them, and they'll come out talking about everything from lighting, to metaphors, to character depth, to the degree of polish of the script, and frankly, I have no interest in these discussions. I walked out of Leaving Las Vegas with them, and they were floored by all of these brilliant aspects or whatever, and all I could think was, gee, I'm pretty depressed. I suppose that may have been an effective movie, but I just didn't LIKE it. Conversely, while I walked out of Rumble In The Bronx (HOVERCRAFT!) feeling totally happy, they were as disgusted as... well, as I get when they put on the Wallflowers.
Things like music, television, cinema, literature, probably a few more, they involve several factors that seperate them from other passions. They involve specific artists/creators, each with a unique contribution that can be judged on a variety of levels. On which level we choose to judge them, and how they succeed with reference to that judgment, will determine whether that particular creation succeeds or fails in our eyes. I understand some aspects of movies to a certain degree, with reference to characters, plot, etc. However, when four guys surround Seagal, boy oh boy are they gonna get it, and that gets me going. OK, so Seagal has just about no acting skill whatsoever, and the stories of just about all of his movies (particularly pre-Under Siege) are damn thin--I recognize all of that, but it means little to me. With music, my girlfriend studied music for many years, but she loves dance stuff. It may be worth nothing musically--she'll admit as much--but that doesn't bother her one bit.
With music, I remember being a metal fan way back in Junior High, then hearing Metallica's Justice, and thinking, wow, there's something more here. Then I heard Rush, and my musical level increased exponentially. That led to me playing bass, and it took off from there. So for a long time, I was on a crusade, trying to get people to listen to DT, Rush, old Yes, etc, and getting frustrated when they turned to pop crap instead. It made me so damn angry, like it makes so many here on the 'jam. But unless you can admit to hating everything in all genres of art without high levels of merit (e.g. swearing off Jackie Chan, Bob Ross, Jim Carrey, Dean Koontz, I'm trying to hit the bottoms of each genre, admittedly there are some worse and many better, but you get the point), then really, it gets tough to get down on people for listening to lower forms of music. I still do it, then I remind myself, I enjoy a cheesy horror novel, a cheesy action movie, so if people get a kick out of cheese music, and if they hold their music to lower, more basic standards than I do, well, that's their prerogative.
And a final thought--as much as we all might enjoy listening to music at a deeper level than most, we never (or should never, anyway) lose sight of that first level, that is it cool, do I dig it level. I got two CD's last week, the Rudess/Morgenstein Project and Bozzio-Levin-Stevens' Black Light Syndrome. Both real high in the writing and musicianship department, but there's something that strikes me on that first level, the yeah I dig this level, that B-L-S has, and that R/M lacks. The best stuff, I think strikes us at all levels.
Thanks and take care, Yet Another Matt Tedescom@BDD.com
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