YTSEJAM digest 3102

From: ytsejam@ax.com
Date: Sun Oct 12 1997 - 21:46:51 EDT

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    Today's Topics:

      1) Pantera in YtseJam
     by MTeiper@aol.com
      2) UNCLASSIFIED:-Re: Dream Theater Dates (fwd)
     by Graham.Boyle.149036@navy.gov.au
      3) Musical Tastes and stuff
     by Mike Pontrelli <ponte@essc.psu.edu>
      4) Keyboards and Tour dates
     by sl080890@mailhost.sju.edu (Stephen LaMonica)
      5) JM instructional video
     by "Rainer" <rpandean@mail.usyd.edu.au>
      6) DT live
     by "Rainer" <rpandean@mail.usyd.edu.au>
      7) WHAT?
     by Ryan Good <rtgood@students.wisc.edu>
      8) Music industry
     by Mike Pontrelli <ponte@essc.psu.edu>
      9) Re: new Savatage cd
     by Sava Web <savaweb@winternet.com>
     10) Re: TOUR DATES
     by eckie@asu.edu
     11) Re: TSO (re-issue & new)
     by Sava Web <savaweb@winternet.com>
     12) MiniDiscs, CD Burner, AAAAAHHHHH! =)
     by Marcelo Vanzin <vanzin@geocities.com>
     13) Re: DT here DT there..and other stuff
     by The Phoenix <rctaylor@students.uiuc.edu>
     14) Compression
     by Christopher Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
     15) Re: Compression
     by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)

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    Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 18:51:32 -0400 (EDT)
    From: MTeiper@aol.com
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Pantera in YtseJam
    Message-ID: <971012185006_-1528897120@emout10.mail.aol.com>

    Hey Folx -

    Roger Brito wrote:

    > What's this Pantera song every one seems to be talking about? And
    > when is this? Is this when Portnoy simulates a "jerk off" with the drum
    > sticks??

    Nope. :-) On the Live In Tokyo video, during his YtseJam drum solo, MP
    plays along to a riff from the Pantera song "By Demons Be Driven" (I think?
     Can anyone confirm? I don't feel like digging out my CD right now.) from
    their album "Vulgar Display Of Power". It's that part in the solo when the
    heavy guitar comes in for a few seconds. It's really similar to the thing he
    did on the Awake tour during the CIAW drum solo when he played along to parts
    of Slayer "Reign In Blood" and Anthrax/Public Enemy "Bring the Noise" (HEAR
    THE DRUMMER GET WICKED!!)

    Hope this helps... Matt T.

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    Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 09:09:07 +1000
    From: Graham.Boyle.149036@navy.gov.au
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: UNCLASSIFIED:-Re: Dream Theater Dates (fwd)
    Message-ID: <4A25652E.007C1918.00@nschq-e-navy.navy.gov.au>

    >What's your attachment to the fan club? I'm just trying to make the point
    that the >ytsejam was around before the fan club, and we talk about DT
    everyday, not just 4 times a >year. I'm sticking up for a group that
    you're a part of, and instead of arguing >logically, you throw insults at
    me. FUCK YOU and your tissues. I never attacked you >personally, so why
    should I get the Hartman finger? If anyone deserves it, its you. You
    >made it a personal battle.

    I have no attachment to the fan club, other than being a member. You are
    the dickhead, your so full of yourself and you have no idea what your
    talking about either.
    Yes we do talk about DT every day, we are all lucky enough to have a
    computer and internet/e-mail access, what about those fans who don't ?
    One year ago, my only access to DT information was the fan club fanzine,
    every three months I eagerly waited for my copy to arrive so I could get an
    idea of what's going on with the band. So the fan club provides a valid
    service of providing information about the band to people who have no
    access to this list, and for ppl like myself who has, it is still a good
    read and something to look forward too.The Xmas CD was a nice little
    surprise to fan club members, no one expected it (cept us jammers).
    So the bottom line is KAI that, obviously you don't have last FC DC and you
    are quite bitter about it and unless you are a FC member you will miss out
    on any future surprises.
    Stop carrying on like a spoilt brat, get your head out of your ass before
    you suffocate, paint dries quicker that you catch on.
    Yes this is personnel, you are a moron, one of those ppl who get on jammers
    nerves (yes I know this from the IRC jammers) so do us all a huge favour
    and go crawl back under a large heavy rock and don't come out until you
    grow up.

    gRaham_

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    Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 19:06:38 -0400 (EDT)
    From: Mike Pontrelli <ponte@essc.psu.edu>
    To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Musical Tastes and stuff
    Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.94.971012185705.10489M-100000@thunder>

    I happen to listen to a wide variety of music.. yes.. DT.. Pink Floyd
    (#1), Rush..U2..Live etc..

    but I also love bands like the Eagles, Pearl Jam, Enya, Badlees,...etc

    I thought about this.. many people praise half my music and bash the other
    half. So what s the common thread?

    I tend to think that I run a wide variety of emotions and moods.. and I
    believe that the music I listen to shows that. I can get into the three
    chord music of the Badlees or Neil Young just as much as I can get into
    DT. It all depends on my mood. Now I have a preference toward Prog
    because it is easy for me to lose myself in the epic and mystical songs,
    but there are lots of times when I will prefer nothing but Badlees or some
    bluegrass band..

    I guess what I am saying is that to limit ones self to music that is
    complex wont do for me. As long as the music spurs something in me.. then
    I want to hear it. And I am not in a DTmood all the time (though lately
    it seems so).. and I hope I never limit myself to one genre of music.. cus
    I like to run the entire spectrum of moods and emotions. I keep all my
    STYX and Journey albums.. knowing that one day I will listen to them.. I
    pull out the enya once in a while and lose myself in memories and
    poetry and thought, and I love to have the shivers run through my spine to
    the "one-note" opening to "Shine on you crazy diamond".

    OK.. I ramble. Just listen to whatever fits your mood at the time and
    dont worry about it.

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    Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 19:06:58 -0400 (EDT)
    From: sl080890@mailhost.sju.edu (Stephen LaMonica)
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Keyboards and Tour dates
    Message-ID: <199710122306.TAA11278@polaris.sju>

    Someone commented on Derek's keyboard playing and I couldn't agree more. I
    was very impressed with his showing on this cd....does anyone notice in the
    slow section of Peruvian Skies that there is a keyboard melody in the backgroundvery reminiscent of Pink Floyd....especially there stuff on the Animals disc?
    Anyway, Merlo, if you know any New York(Long Island or Manhattan) or Philadelphia dates, please let me know
    Stephen La Monica

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    Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 09:08:43 +1000
    From: "Rainer" <rpandean@mail.usyd.edu.au>
    To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: JM instructional video
    Message-ID: <01bcd763$c8f40260$bc394e81@rpandean.ucc.su.OZ.AU>

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    Anyone here know what company put out John Myung's instructional video? =
    I'm trying to track down a copy. I'd appreciate any feedback on it from =
    anyone who has it.

    See ya,

    Rainer

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    <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>See ya,</FONT></DIV>
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    Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 09:17:08 +1000
    From: "Rainer" <rpandean@mail.usyd.edu.au>
    To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: DT live
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    Is it just me or is Live in Tokyo one of they're poorer performances? =
    JP's playing is still better than most even on his worst days but =
    something was missing. His guitar sound was tiny and muddy. While I've =
    heard some bootlegs in which DT are really impressive I wasn't impressed =
    by the video. Just a thought, anyone who's seen DT live (I haven't), how =
    well do they pull off the material live and are they consistent?

    See ya,

    Rainer

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    Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 05:29:27 -0500
    From: Ryan Good <rtgood@students.wisc.edu>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: WHAT?
    Message-ID: <199710122323.SAA59216@mail1.doit.wisc.edu>

    Who on God's green Earth is Big Wreck?
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    Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 19:24:34 -0400 (EDT)
    From: Mike Pontrelli <ponte@essc.psu.edu>
    To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Music industry
    Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.94.971012190641.10489N-100000@thunder>

    BTW: another thought.. the music industry..

    It seems to me that every now and then there is a great band - for this
    example I will use Pearl Jam - which has powerful, moving music. They
    become very popular based on their own merit. Record companies and radio
    stations notice this. So they book anyone with that sound... mostly
    crappy music missing the power or emotion of Pearl Jam.. and the
    airwaves are flooded with bands sounding like Pearl Jam, but missing the
    power or emotino or whatever drove PJ to success. And the average person
    is flooded with this stuff.. with the record companies and radion stations
    thinking that these bands will share the same success as PJ and therefore
    bring in lots of money. So these bands recieve instant success not based
    on their merrit, but based on what the industry dictates will sell. And
    many of these bands really lack telent and poetry, and soon die out. Then
    another great band emerges, but with a different sound.. and the cycle
    repeats, leaving the public thinking that Pearl Jam is dated, lumping them
    into this group of "grunge", and calling it cheesey or whatever.

    This cycle goes on and on. It happened to metal. Remember when glam was
    popular? They sounding like metal.. the industry thought it would sell
    so they flooded everyone with it.. and after the shit glam bands ruined
    the sound and integrity of metal.. people got sick of it and called the
    entire genre cheesey and moved on.. especially when the radio stations
    didnt play it anymore cus it wasnt 'in'.

    I love Queensryche and Images and Words and Journey.. but I hated glam..
    though the sounds were similar.

    All these people who say "we have free choice to listen to what we want"..
    I dont think it is entirely true. how many people buy random CDs? If you
    dont have the money.. yoiu listen to the radio.. and are trapped into what
    the industry feeds you ... esp in areas with two radio stations (central
    Pa). It isnt really free choice. unless you are rich.. and you can buy
    every CD.. then you have free choice... even so.. there is a lot of great
    stuff I want yet no one seems to sell it (MARILLION.. WDADU.. etc).. so it
    seems like I dont have the choice to listen to that.

    Of course.. we have the Jam.. which introduced me to some very great music
    that I would NEVER have known to exist.. cus the "industry" doesnt promote
    it.

    OK.. I am finished rambling. We are victims of the industry. But the Jam
    allows us to kinda break free.

    (though you gotta wonder if OFB will break free.. and the industry will
    recognize them..and prog will fill the airwaves..

    I am tired. I need sleep. I have to finish my thesis. cheers.

    -ponte

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    Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 18:45:44 -0500 (CDT)
    From: Sava Web <savaweb@winternet.com>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: new Savatage cd
    Message-ID: <199710122345.SAA22144@parka.winternet.com>

    >
    > I was thinking about the reason why they aren't releasing the new cd and
    > it doesn't make sense.

    Actually it does make sense. One of the main reasons for holding the US
    release until Jan '98, is that if they do release TWOM in November they
    would be competing with TSO (themselves) for radio airplay. Also
    they will not be able to tour the US in support of the album until
    Feb or March . Since the Jan release will be fresh in the US Fans minds,
    a better turnout is expected.

    >
    > Most Savatage fans already have TSO and aren't going to buy it again anyway.
    > Therefore the record company will be getting no money until January.

    Well, actually I think only 40-50% of Sava fans have TSO, I know that
    we get messages every week, asking what is this TSO thing... Also there are
    many people that could not find this release since it sold out of most
    retails a few days before Christmas. Atlantic is betting big on continued
    sucess of TSO and has already printed 350,000 CDs.
    >
    > Makes you wonder how record companies even survive with their thinking...
    >

    It is all money and business that makes they make seeming stupid decisions.

    Hope that helps clarify the situation,

    Nathan Bradley

    --------------------------------------------------------------------------
    savaweb@savatage.com webmaster@trans-siberian.com
    Savatage Fan Web Pages Trans-Siberian Orchestra Web Pages
    www.savatage.com www.trans-siberian.com
    TWOM - Out in Europe/Japan TSO - Now available for ordering
         - Avail Jan '98 in USA at www.musicblvd.com
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    Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 16:51:18 -0700 (MST)
    From: eckie@asu.edu
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Re: TOUR DATES
    Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.971012164621.1736A-100000@general1.asu.edu>

    > Once again, these are all the CONFIRMED dates.
    > There are many penciled in dates that should be confirmed this week.
    > As soon as I have them, I'll send them out.

    Like Phoenix perhaps? >;)

    > Support band on all US dates is "Big Wreck".
    > Not Fates Warning or Spock's Beard as I was trying to arrange.
    > (Political bullshit/favors between management and label........)

    Nah, nobody wants to play for a band that's gonna surely make them look
    like shit, even on a "bad" night. I'm sure we can all understand
    that. :)

    > Mike Portnoy

    He's reading our posts, and giving us dates,
    He's makin' a list, of who's proggy or nice,
    Dream Theater is going on tour!

    YEEEEEEEEEEEHAWWW!!!

    ~Eckie's thinking, "ROAD TRRRRRRRIP!!"

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    Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 19:32:11 -0500 (CDT)
    From: Sava Web <savaweb@winternet.com>
    To: belhai@drew.edu (Brandon Elhai)
    Cc: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: TSO (re-issue & new)
    Message-ID: <199710130032.TAA22595@parka.winternet.com>

    Brandon Wrote:
    >
    > I have been a bot ignorant on this, but is TSO releasing a totally
    > different Christmas album this year from the one last year or is it the
    > same one being re-issued. Thanks.

    For this Christmas Season (and many more to come) Trans-Siberian Ochestras
    - Christmas Eve and Other Stories will be re-released as is.

    TSO is also working on a second album that is not Christmas based, but
    is simular by using passages from well known classical composers. This
    is also due out in Janurary.

    Later,

    Nathan Bradley
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------
    savaweb@savatage.com webmaster@trans-siberian.com
    Savatage Fan Web Pages Trans-Siberian Orchestra Web Pages
    www.savatage.com www.trans-siberian.com
    TWOM - Out in Europe/Japan TSO - Now available for ordering
         - Avail Jan '98 in USA at www.musicblvd.com
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    Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 08:53:25 -0300
    From: Marcelo Vanzin <vanzin@geocities.com>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: MiniDiscs, CD Burner, AAAAAHHHHH! =)
    Message-ID: <34017235.A19FE382@geocities.com>

    Hey there jammandois,

    > From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
    > Subject: Re: MiniDisc
    > But it has lossy compression, doesn't it? I'm very picky about
    > sound quality and I'd like to know what they sound like before buying one.

            I heard that about lossy compression used on MiniDiscs, but that's not
    what I'm writing this for. :)
            A friend of mine (which know a lot more than me about minidiscs) said
    they use a thermal process to record the information on the discs (the
    component of the disc itself is sensible to heat, though), and, let's
    say, if you forget one of your minidiscs in your car on one of those
    really hot days, your recordings are gone. :)
            I don't know that myself. Can someone clear that thing out?

    > :-) BTW, I just bought a CD-RW burner and finished installing it. :-) Life
    > will be better now, with more bootlegs. :-) But I still have to test if
    > CD-RW's can be played on my stereo.

            Hey, it's nice to hear that... :)
            Is tomorrow OK for a quick visit to your house??? :)
            Don't worry about CD-R's and you player, mine is the same and my CD-R's
    run without problem (before you ask, it has not arrived from the tech
    yet :) ).

    -- 
    []'s
    /**********************************************\
    |*             Marcelo Vanzin                 *|
    |*          vanzin@geocities.com              *|
    |* http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/6308/ *|
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    Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 19:49:35 -0500 (CDT) From: The Phoenix <rctaylor@students.uiuc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: DT here DT there..and other stuff Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.971012193950.13921A-100000@ux7.cso.uiuc.edu>

    On Sun, 12 Oct 1997, Satu Reunanen wrote: > And this reminds me from a conversation I had with my boyfriend: > it seems like people treasure the albums they first heard from > a band and the rest aren't that good anymore. I don't know your > opinion about this (I want to know what you think about this ok !) > but I think it's pretty much true. I mean, I first heard I&W > from DT and I think it's their greatest album. And the people > I know who heard Awake first, they think it's DT's best album. > And so on. I know lots of examples about this subject, but I won't > go on about it any longer. Have you noticed anything like this ?

    It may be true in some cases. For me, I usually like the latest release by a band the best. That's the way it has usually always been for me. Of course there are exceptions. With DT, I don't think I could ever choose a favorite. Another example is with Firehouse, I like their 2nd album best (out of 4) even though when I bought their first album (back when that was the only one released), I was as obssessed with that album as I am with DT now. I can't think of too many bands where I like the first album I heard by them the best. Maybe I'm just strange that way, though. Anyone else?

    -~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_- | Robert Taylor The world may seem flown away | | rctaylor@uiuc.edu Almost as if it cannot be saved | | The Phoenix Will we be able to rise | | From these ashes we've sown | -~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-

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    Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 19:53:20 -0500 (CDT) From: Christopher Ptacek <someone@enteract.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Compression Message-ID: <199710130053.TAA05794@enteract.com>

    Okay... no offene to those of you who might be thinking this is an attack, but you can't hear the difference between something recorded professionally with lossy compression and without lossy compression. There have been a number of tests on this, and no one has really been able to prove that they can tell the difference between the two media.

    Invest in good headphones (Not shit you can get at Best Buy or Tower Records) and good speakers (Likewise) and use logical speaker placement, etc... these things make a difference. The lossy compression doesn't, when things are recorded and transferred professionally.

    My FII impression: This is Dream Theater's best album. This is some of the most intricate drumming, and powerful overal musicianship I've ever heard. Everything is well thought out (With the exception that many of the solos sound improvised... something I don't believe Petrucci could have done nearly this well back when I&W was released). For almost every song, I said to myself "If this was my band, I wouldn't change a note in this composition" ...now if only I can make my band write music this good...

    --

    Chris Ptacek at EnterAct, L.L.C -- (773) 248 8511 http://www.enteract.com (business) http://www.prognosis.com/madsman/ (my contribution to --------------------------------- the vast wealth of "To err is human... to suck out | underdeveloped one's brain with an orally | web sites) deployed flesh tube is not."-MS| **************** ---------------------------------

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    Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 18:30:29 -0700 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Compression Message-ID: <199710130130.SAA06724@gms.gmsnet.com>

    On the Eve of Destruction, Christopher Ptacek said: > >Okay... no offene to those of you who might be thinking this is an attack, >but you can't hear the difference between something recorded >professionally with lossy compression and without lossy compression. >There have been a number of tests on this, and no one has really been able >to prove that they can tell the difference between the two media.

    Actually in double blind tests, some people can tell the difference between lossy compression and non-lossy due to tinning in the hi frequencies. Most people can't hear past 15khz anyways...

    The only problem I see with minidiscs is that it is not full PCM 44.1khz so you can't press directly to CD.

    -The Doc

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