YTSEJAM Digest 2923
Today's Topics:
1) Re: a good radio experience
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
2) Megadeth...
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
3) All I have to say is...
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
4) Re: MP3, the making of ...
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
5) Re: MP3, the making of ...
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
6) Re: virus hoaxes
by JamesAhab@aol.com
7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2922
by "Todd O. Klindt" <pendragn@netins.net>
8) Random thoughts...
by Nicole Stachowicz McWatters <stachowic_n@UHDVX3.DT.UH.EDU>
9) Warnings, Orders, and other junk that nobody is going to notice...
by caber1@concentric.net
10) TAMP...
by Eric John Marlett <gt7262a@prism.gatech.edu>
11) Long songs....
by John Murphey <murphey@pop.a001.sprintmail.com>
12) 2112
by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
13) TDTDT, FS
by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
14) Re: MP's impeccable Drumming!!!!
by GnRBrks@aol.com
15) I think I'm getting offended.
by Matt Mommaerts <mattymo@inxpress.net>
16) Bootlegging and audio ripping
by durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
17) ACOS Project Update
by "Brandon Vaughn" <bvaughn@snowhill.com>
18) DT ... what else?
by ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
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Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 15:54:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
To: Too Much Coffee Man <Dale.R.Newberry@MO.NET>
Subject: Re: a good radio experience
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.91.970901155410.1482C-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
Low Rider was done by Gary Howie. I think it was on the endless summer II
soundtrack.
Reach Damon Fibraio at damon@shell.monmouth.com
keyboardist, vocalist, radio personality
Deviant of Reality
All of us get lost in the darkness, dreamers learn to steer by the stars
All of us do time in the gutter, dreamers turn to look at the cars.
Neil Peart of Rush
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Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 13:26:10 -0600
From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Megadeth...
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970901132607.00828430@postoffice.syspac.com>
..rules.
They played the heaviest versions of "Wake Up Dead" and "In My Darkest
Hour" that I have ever heard/seen last night :)
Peace and love, and good happiness stuff, ~Vince
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Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 13:28:51 -0700
From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: All I have to say is...
Message-ID: <199709012028.NAA24499@gms.gmsnet.com>
DOES PERUVIAN SKIES BLOW YOUR SOCKS OFF OR WHAT?
Thanks for listening...
-The Doc
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Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 13:29:55 -0700 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: MP3, the making of ... Message-ID: <199709012029.NAA24506@gms.gmsnet.com>
On the Eve of Destruction, gra@provida.no said: > > >Does any of you in-the-closet-bootleggers have/know about a program >that reads CD tracks digitally through the IDE ATAPI ? >I wanna make perfect copies of some songs for a private boot, and this >program would really come in handy for such a job. > >I also need a kick-ass MP3 encoder (maybe one that uses the MMX ?) ... > > >-.profile >
CDDA 16 does work through IDE ATAPI... The Win95 ATAPI...
The best encoder is the MPEG3 PRODUCER....
E-mail me if you need a copy...
-The Doc
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Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 13:32:49 -0700 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: MP3, the making of ... Message-ID: <199709012032.NAA24530@gms.gmsnet.com>
On the Eve of Destruction, Rogerio Brito said: > > Please, can someone (who are involved with the job of >bootleggin) tell me the following:
BOOTLEGGING??? There are no bootleggers on here! How dare you?!
> > - Which softwares you use to copy audio CDs??
There are tons... Pro CD Tools is by far the best... if you find it... hehe EasyCD and CorelCD are fair programs, but everyone uses them.
> - Do they copy the songs digitally or must the songs pass thru the >soundboard??
No, they are CD RIPPED...
> - If they copy the songs digitally, do they copy the extra >information that a CD holds, such as start of a song and table of >contents etc?
Currently only Pro CD Tools can copy index data, the rest of the programs are kinda shitty about that... and only Pro CD Tools can write subcoding to create glass masters.
-The Doc
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Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 16:43:22 -0400 (EDT) From: JamesAhab@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: virus hoaxes Message-ID: <970901164313_1188116722@emout15.mail.aol.com>
>< --You CANNOT get a virus by reading an e-mail message. Ever. Period.-- ><
However, there are things called 'worms', dfferent from virii but have the same effects, which can be triggered upon opening of the e-mail. These are extremely rare.
"I don't like Dream Theater that much, but; I had a pen and a piece of paper, so, what the fuck!" - Kevin Moore
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Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 15:55:30 -0500 From: "Todd O. Klindt" <pendragn@netins.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2922 Message-ID: <340B2BC1.AACF699D@netins.net>
I've made a few CDs so I thought I would help with this thread. First about MP3s. I don't have a lot of experience with MP3 but to make things simple just think of them as compressed WAV. If you need a MP3 encoder I suggest hitting the following Web page: http://www.algonet.se/~leasalm/winplaypage/howto.htm It explains the whole process very well plus gives you the location of the files you need to use. Very helpful.
Now about copying CDs. I use the software that came with my burner, Adaptec CD Creator. Part of its function is to sample CD tracks into WAV files. WAV files can then be used to create CD tracks. It does the whole thing digitally. Originally the machine I did this on didn't have a sound card. The software creates the time and stuff so you don't have to worry about that. There is one caveat with this software, and with all the other stuff I've seen (which isn't much), and that is that the software puts a two second pause between tracks. As far as I've seen there is no way around this. This might sound lke small shit but imagine trying to copy AMBI and having gaps between Erotomania and Voices. It'd suck. I talked to a guy at Adaptec's tech support about this and he says the new verision, EZ CD Creator, has overcome this. That should be available now. I talked to him about a month ago. There is a pretty good web page about sample CDs. The URL is:
http://www.magma.ca/~aa571/cdda32.html Give it a look. If there are any other questions feel free to email me directly.
todd, MCSE
> Hint: go to altavista (or your web preferred web searcher) and > > search for CDDA. > > > I also need a kick-ass MP3 encoder (maybe one that uses the MMX ?) > ... > > I don't know... > > Please, can someone (who are involved with the job of > bootleggin) tell me the following: > > - Which softwares you use to copy audio CDs?? > - Do they copy the songs digitally or must the songs pass thru > the > soundboard?? > - If they copy the songs digitally, do they copy the extra > information that a CD holds, such as start of a song and table of > contents etc? > > I want to copy some live bootlegs and I really don't want to > have > pauses between the songs, you know. Maybe Mike Bahr can help here... > > Thank you for any help, Roger...
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Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 16:31:39 -0500 (CDT) From: Nicole Stachowicz McWatters <stachowic_n@UHDVX3.DT.UH.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Random thoughts... Message-ID: <Pine.PMDF.3.91.970901163014.350801A-100000@DT3.DT.UH.EDU>
Todd O. Klindt wrote: >Does anybody have any good wavs or mp3s of 'burning my soul?'. I'm >thinking about putting together a little demo CD for a couple of local >radio stations. I downloaded one mp3 off of somebody's site but it >sounds like it is a bootleg and the quality isn't the best. I'm hoping >to throw BMS and YNM on a CD and distribute it a little.
I don't mean to sound uptight, but if you're referring to making digital copies of the actual songs off the CD, isn't that copyright infringement? Don't get me wrong, I'm all for promoting our beloved group <insert shameless plug for my e-mail campaign at http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Set/5039/radio.html >, but I'm not sure if this is the right way to do it. Perhaps, as Michael Pomerleau suggests, we should start another petition to EastWest and get them some well-deserved promotion. Any takers? BTW, you can find that picture of the (possible) new DT album cover on his Web page at http://w3.nai.net/~mpomerle
Pedro Prado wrote: >Yesterday I heard two new DT songs on the radio: "Burning My Soul" and >"Hollow Years".
Damned foreigners! I swear, if I have to renounce my US citizenship just to hear DT, I will, I tell ya. (Or I could convince Ken to move to the Northeast... huh, baybee? Whaddya think? ;)
Renob125@aol.com wrote: >WARNING! If you get an e-mail message from listproc@ax.com with the >subject: SUBSCRIBE YTSEJAM >Your Name< >DO NOT OPEN IT! CANCEL YOUR E-MAIL ACCOUNT! RUN AWAY! It's worse >than a virus; it means you will now receive 2 to 4 Ytsejam digests >per day!
Yeah, and if that impostor ever comes back, it'll be back to 10 a day! /me scoffs at 2 to 4 Ytsejams per day! HA!
And now back to your regularly scheduled Ytsejam. -Nicole/Kirby
Nicole Rene Stachowicz McWatters | The sleep is still in my eyes Undergrad Professional Writing Major | The dream is still in my head University of Houston-Downtown | I heave a sigh and ... smile stachowic_n@uhdvx3.dt.uh.edu | And lie a while in bed. http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Set/5039 | Kirby on irc.dreamt.org | "Soliloquy" _2112_ by Rush
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Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 16:52:36 -0700 From: caber1@concentric.net To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Warnings, Orders, and other junk that nobody is going to notice... Message-ID: <340B553B.2DF@concentric.net>
Hi everyone,
> From: Pedro Filipe <f.miguel@mail.telepac.pt> > Subject: album cover
> Just wondering...what happens if someone sends a mail-bomb to the jam? > Does every subscriber receive 1000 jams or so?
The person who sent it, gets bombed by about 1100 people. :) Or in other words, nobody even try it! --- > From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br> > Subject: Re: MP3, the making of ... > Please, can someone (who are involved with the job of > bootleggin) tell me the following: [snip bunch of questions about copying CD's] > I want to copy some live bootlegs and I really don't want to have > pauses between the songs, you know. Maybe Mike Bahr can help here...
Those of you who copy CD's(Bahr and others), could one of you put up a page(w/o any links leading to it) that would list the software and the hardware you use. I would like to know, and I'm guessing so do a lot of other people, too. --- Hmm, 30 or 75 jams a day? Could happen since the jammers who did most of the posting before left saying they would come back when the new album came out. Hmm, I'm guessing the first couple of jams are going to be just messages like "i'm back. hi!" Ugh! ;)
John McCabe caber1@concentric.net
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Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 18:45:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric John Marlett <gt7262a@prism.gatech.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: TAMP... Message-ID: <199709012245.SAA13694@acmey.gatech.edu>
> TAMP is NOT emotional at all ;-) The live version many of you have > heard is totally different to the final version! I did *not* like > the live version, because it was very predictable and boring. And > *I* thought it was still too happy for the sad lyrics. > > Now when I heard the studio version, I had to laugh: How do you call > this? Soul? Adult contemporary? Anyway, it's less dynamic, more laid > back, and even more happy than the old version. I had to smile all > the time I heard this one! I think I really like it. I just don't > understand what it has to do with JP's father's death...
Death and sadness are not inextricably linked. Many people view death not as an end but as merely a transition to something better. From what I understand, JP's father was suffering...his death signified the end of his suffering. Isn't that something to be happy about? Just a thought.
Eric
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Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 18:57:01 -0500 From: John Murphey <murphey@pop.a001.sprintmail.com> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Long songs.... Message-ID: <340B564C.46C1928C@pop.a001.sprintmail.com>
Well, there is Thick as a Brick, which no doubt was performed a few times by Jethro Tull when it came out ... and one could make an argument for Tommy or even Quadrophenia by the Who.
APSoG can stand by itself though. I have no doubt that 10 years from now, it will sound as good as it does now.
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Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 20:42:53 -0400 From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: 2112 Message-ID: <199709020042.UAA30852@tx.cs.wm.edu>
> From: "W. Brian Henderson" <hender@wam.umd.edu> > Subject: It's not the size that matters...
[discussing bands playing full albums live...]
> Plus, "2112", and all manner of other songs
Just for the sake of accuracy, "2112" does not take up the full album, but only one side. And it wasn't performed live in its entirety before October 19, 1996 (I was there. :)
Oh, yeah, and I'm going to be playing with the FAQ soon. I promise.
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Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 20:37:13 -0400 From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: TDTDT, FS Message-ID: <199709020037.UAA30817@tx.cs.wm.edu>
Today's Dream Theater Deep Thought:
My car's tape deck has this button labeled "PROG." I pressed it today, and Dream Theater started playing. Guess that answers *that* question.
For Sale:
Rush's first album on CD (*NOT* the reissue), still shrink-wrapped. First $8 gets it. (And that includes shipping and handling!)
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Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 20:56:57 -0400 (EDT) From: GnRBrks@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: MP's impeccable Drumming!!!! Message-ID: <970901205656_-1633529353@emout02.mail.aol.com>
Steve Z wrote- <I don't know about that part.but there is a part in ACOS<in "The Crimson Sunset" <where he goes into 12/8 and hits the hat on the second eighth note of each triplet <and his timing gets way off.
Are you nuts?!!?!?!?!!! There is nothing wrong with MP's timing here. If there were he would have recorded it over!!!!! Duh!!!! I have been quiet about all the MP bashing on his time and timing. I am a drummer and have been for 15 years and play in a lot of situations. I can read music but most of all I can count. If you can count this over you'll see you don't know what the hell you were talking about. All this talk about Met.Pt.1 being off on the timing or MP "made a mistake" is utter Bullshit!!!!!!!!!! IF THERE WAS A MISTAKE IN THE STUDIO THEY WOULD HAVE RECOREDED THE SONG OVER. IF THEY LEFT IT ON THERE IT WAS INTENDED TO BE HEARD THAT WAY. NO MISTAKES!!!!!!!! By the way,I have been in the studio before.So I do have real perspective on what goes on in there. They don't let obvious mistakes on the record.
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Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 20:34:02 -0500 From: Matt Mommaerts <mattymo@inxpress.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: I think I'm getting offended. Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970901203402.008adc20@inxpress.net>
Okay, I've seen enough Radio DJ bashing here. I know the COMMERCIAL radio DJ/Stations are doing radio backwards...it's all about money... but when you say "Radio DJ", you are lumping all the NON-Commercial people in with that. While all the time, NON-commercial radio and college radio are the places where you WILL hear the stuff that you WONT hear on COMMERCIAL radio. When I started in College radio, WDADU just came out, and I played it then, and always played DT. I even played ACOS when it came out. (yes the whole thing). So, yea, give your local college radio station a listen, find when thier metal show is on, and call them during that. Most college DJ's program their own shows, and they WILL most likely play it.
~matt
mattymo@fox47.com mattymo@inxpress.net Personal Home Page: http://www.inxpress.net/~mattymo WORT-FM Mosh Pit page: http://www.inxpress.net/~mattymo/moshpit
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Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 19:26:25 -0700 (MST) From: durnik <durnik@goodnet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Bootlegging and audio ripping Message-ID: <199709020226.TAA19225@goodnet.com>
Well, since I create the custom bootlegs from scratch, often I'm feeding the DAT through the Mackie through the EQ finally into the computer, so it's kind of irrelevant. :) And when I clone boots, I just use Easy-CD Pro to copy them directly... ECD can also rip individual tracks off a CD... the catch is you must own a CD-R recorder for this to work.
Turtle Group has some good audio rippers and MP3 encoders on their web site, but they're shareware... you'll have to pay for the use of them, since the "warez" scene is really not what it used to be.
When ECD copies a CD, it writes its own TOC based on the information being passed through, so that if you were to delete a track from your hard drive and then write a disc without it, it would have the proper TOC. The only problem with cloning CDs right now is that all software (so this might be a hardware limitation) when cloning, puts the 3-second gap between tracks. When I'm writing from the hard drive, I can write in Disk-at-Once mode and eliminate all gaps, making live performance CDs sound proper. But for cloning, the gaps are here to stay. Unless a new version of ECD Pro or Corel CD creator comes out that corrects this.
- Mike Bahr - durnik@goodnet.com - http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik/
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Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 22:00:58 -0500 From: "Brandon Vaughn" <bvaughn@snowhill.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: ACOS Project Update Message-ID: <199709020305.WAA23695@frost.snowhill.com>
I have finished my checking of the song. I found somewhere between 30-50 small errors (it was a bunch...but I didn't count how many), and 1-2 major errors. There are some parts I had a lot of trouble on (7-string parts, in particular -- you 7-stringers...I'm countin' on ya!). Also, a couple of chords were giving me fits.
It will take me a couple of days to punch the changes back into the computer and then the update to the web page. Sorry again for the delay. It seems I'm 3-5 days consistently late on all deadlines I make on this project. But with the hours I have put in on correcting the TAB, I still think that all checking can be wrapped up before Sept. 23. In fact, I won't dare say that this transcription will now be 100% accurate, but I hope that there will be few corrections from this point on. I have really analyzed most of this song (in particular, using the CDLooper program ( http://www.replayinc.com/ ).
Keep in mind that those of you wanting to get the Bucket O'Tab program, I will make the final version available for that program as well. The print is _so_ much better that ASCII. You can find them at http://www.his.com/~gse/bucket/
By the way, I get nothing by strongly recommending these programs to you. Of all the programs I have seen, these are the most handy and inexpensive around (IMOP).
Next time I post, hopefully it will be to announce the updated files on the web page. Keep your eyes open!
By the way, nobody mentioned any problems with me putting your name on a credit file. Unless I hear from somebody, this will hopefully be available with the update (along with a file detailing the times of the songs I would really like some confirmation of). \\||// ~~..'~ ( \ ) Brandon Vaughn \ c/ __\/__ "The Mad Tabber" / \ < . _ \ bvaughn@snowhill.com \ `\ \ -' / \ \ ,,,_ vaughn_b@popmail.firn.edu >|""O[|||||nn[:::< /_,--- ._\ '''''~ ~ | | | | |
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Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 21:51:21 -0400 From: ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack) To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: DT ... what else? Message-ID: <19970902020735.AAA13920@sni.pananet.com>
> BTW, everyone who has copies of the live versions with the new songs, > please do yourself a favor and *DON'T* listen to them anymore. I
I second that. That's why i was slightly disappointed of BMS...but I'm sure i'll grow to like the changes...hopefully they'll have the demo version come out w/ the single..hmmmm
>to throw BMS and YNM on a CD and distribute it a little. I called one >station yesterday to request it and they had no idea what I was talking >about. Appearently East West doesn't find it neccassary to send out >many promos. So, I thought I'd do it for them. With the cost of blank
well, even though you'd be doing this only for promoting the band, and you'll do it at your own cost, you might still get into trouble doing that. In any case. id wait till the official radio play date (i believe somebody posted it...about 2 weeks b4 the 23rd) to see if the radio station gets it, before wasting your resources. Maybe I just have wishful thinking, but i was always under the impression, that the petition we did not only helped DT get in the studio, but made the label pay more attention to them (thus, promoting them). There's still 23 days to go..you never know.
>DOES PERUVIAN SKIES BLOW YOUR SOCKS OFF OR WHAT?
YES!
>Thanks for listening...
no prob
>My car's tape deck has this button labeled "PROG." I pressed it today, and >Dream Theater started playing. Guess that answers *that* question.
hehe. purty good:)
BTW, i was at Itchy's home page, and noticed that my name was linked to www.dreamtheater.com. Itchy...i'm confused....
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