YTSEJAM Digest 2929
Today's Topics:
1) Elektra
by djw_at_neon@smtpgate.walker.com
2) Voting mood?
by Bernd Basmer <basmer@med-rz.uni-sb.de>
3) TAMP/random rumblings
by "Neil Gallop" <nga@software-ag.de>
4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2928
by "Paul Matthews" <J6865644@emu.bendigo.latrobe.edu.au>
5) Dream Theater album covers
by "Raivo Hool" <raitz@guvatrak.ee>
6) RE: Keyboard question
by "BePe" <H.M.Peeters@stud.tue.nl>
7) FII Release date
by Andrew Moore <asmoore@bridge.anglia.ac.uk>
8) Re E7 [b9) #5 with a twist ...
by gra@provida.no
9) RE: Dream Theater Radio date
by Matt Mommaerts <mattymo@inxpress.net>
10) No UK release?
by Graham Borland <gborland@apsoft.co.uk>
11) Re: Cover Design...
by eckie@asu.edu
12) Re: I NEED YOUR HELP
by eckie@asu.edu
13) Re: Fw: Dream Theater...good news
by eckie@asu.edu
14) Payola sucks.
by "George Sumschidt" <gsrockr@stratos.net>
15) Re: Savatage's "Wake of Magellan" for sale
by Jason Breitweg <breitweg@zeusa1.desy.de>
16) re: scratched cd
by yzzy <yzzy@theonramp.net>
17) Mike Portnoy's time displacements/ ACOS
by Jonathan Case <jcase@ROSSBY.METR.ou.edu>
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Date: Wed, 03 Sep 97 11:20:15 -0800
From: djw_at_neon@smtpgate.walker.com
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Elektra
Message-ID: <9709038732.AA873282014@smtpgate.walker.com>
Hi,
Could someone let me know the Email address for the useless fuck at
Electra who is supposed to be pushing DT?
I am getting tired of going into HMV and Virgin (in the UK) everyday
and asking about a UK release date. No-one knows a thing about it,
yet the seem to know everything about all the shite music comming out
for the next four years.
What the hell is this company doing?
Pissed,
Dave (a UK Jammer).
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Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 12:41:58 +0200
From: Bernd Basmer <basmer@med-rz.uni-sb.de>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Voting mood?
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970903124158.007e3ec0@krzsun.med-rz.uni-sb.de>
Hi!
If you are in voting mood, just have a look at this
http://www.ideal.net.au/~aitkenc/metalsurvey.html
and bring DT to top. :)
Bye
Bernd
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Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 12:42:45 +0200
From: "Neil Gallop" <nga@software-ag.de>
To: "The Ytsejam Crowd" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: TAMP/random rumblings
Message-ID: <9709031051.AA06648@server3.software-ag.de>
Hi all
just what the fuck is a TAMP? It sounds like some sort of female
sanitary article. Why are so many people so lazy that they can't be
bothered to write things out in full? Why don't these people write
macros or some other shit for their mail programs that insert the full
names of albums and titles.
OK, other stuff. Is anybody else looking forward to the cross-list
slagging off and bitching that will almost certainly be going on once
the new Dream Theater album is released? Falling Into Infinity will
be reviewed on lists like the ones for Marillion, Rush, Metallica etc.
and hyper-pissed jammers will post copies of these reviews to the
jam together with comments like "what the fuck do these people
know about music - they're on the grungeryche list" etc. etc. This
could be fun. Hell hath no fury like a jammer outraged. I'm also
quite sure that the die-hard Kevin Moore fans will come crawling
out of the woodwork to tell us all how much better the new album
would have been if Mr. Moore were still in the band. This could be
boring.
stay safe and happy listening
Neil Gallop
(nga@software-ag.de)
Currently playing: Channel Zero - Unsafe
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Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 21:13:46 +1000
From: "Paul Matthews" <J6865644@emu.bendigo.latrobe.edu.au>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2928
Message-ID: <9E155519F4@emu.bendigo.latrobe.edu.au>
> Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 02:06:52 -0700 (PDT)
> From: ytsejam@ax.com
> Reply-to: ytsejam@ax.com
> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
> Subject: YTSEJAM digest 2928
> >No, sorry... One of the first things I noticed or disliked about
> >ACOS was the blasted high pitched snare. It's really off putting for
> >me. I'm a guitarist, so there you go.
> >
> It's a Piccolo snare. Sounds a bit like a marching snare. I personally
> like it. There's not one thing Portnoy does that I dislike. He IS
> percussion :) (just like Zonder and Peart)
>
Each one to their own :)
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Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 14:54:34 +0200
From: "Raivo Hool" <raitz@guvatrak.ee>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Dream Theater album covers
Message-ID: <199709031155.OAA00892@lahmaat.guvatrak.ee>
> Bring on the flames - I always thought that the DT covers were a bit
> 80's anyway (that's not to say I don't like them - and I know that
I have to confess something too: whereas I really like the cover of
Awake, I definitely dislike the cover (and the inner sleeve) of
Images & Turds. I don't think it's because I thought it was too
"eighties", it's more like a former graphic designer's viewpoint: it
was clumsily executed. Then again, in 1991-1992, the computers
weren't quite able to do what they can do now.
Side note: anybody noticed how the overall color tonality of all
Dream Theater album covers reflects the musical tonality of their
respective albums? To me, When Dream And Day Unite has always sounded
yellowish-brownish, sort of warm. Images & Words sounds pretty much
warm, red and yellow. Awake (and Seasons... to a lesser degree) on
the other hand is dark, blue and cold. (It doesn't mean it's
emotionally defunct.)
Maybe I have no idea as to what I'm on about, but when I start
thinking about it, most artworks I've seen pretty much reflect what's
inside the box.
Raitz
Thru nature's inflexible grace
I'm learning to QUOTE!
(Hint hint, clue clue)
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Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 14:28:59 +0100 (CET)
From: "BePe" <H.M.Peeters@stud.tue.nl>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: RE: Keyboard question
Message-ID: <52140.s432342@popserver.tue.nl>
> If you have about 1700, you can buy the Roland VK7, which
> is the most amazing Hammond B3 simulator I have ever seen, down to the
> drawbars and overdrive nob and ability to connect a real leslie.
I've played the VK7 and it's great, indeed. But I own the Hammond XM-1
module myself, which sounds really awesome. I payed about 1300 bucks for it.
It futures drawbars, overdrive, built-in completely editable Leslie effect
(and also a connector for a real Leslie), percussion, vibrato, chorus, just
about everything. Oh, and 3 different MIDI channels for upper and lower
manual and pedals. Kicks ass.
KORG has made some fine Hammond imitators as well.
Or you could buy the XB-3 for $15000 :)
BePe.
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Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 13:37:10 +0100 ()
From: Andrew Moore <asmoore@bridge.anglia.ac.uk>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: FII Release date
Message-ID: <SIMEON.9709031310.A@guinan.abs.anglia.ac.uk>
Hi,
I thought I'd do my bit for UK jammers and try and find out a release date
for the UK, but my local store doesn't know. They seem to think Warners
may hold it back, as they have the US release date but haven't heard a
thing about the UK date. So no news - sorry!
So, can the guy from Holland post the release date for over there again?
I can't remember what it was. My local store can order it from there and
have it the same week, so I need to know the date. Other UK jammers may
find this is their best option if the UK date has been put back for some
reason.
How come us UK jammers are always the last to hear things? Can't Neil
(from the fan club) get us better service? I know we had the Ronnie
Scott's gig, but why didn't they play London during the last set of dates?
Also, has any other UK jammers managed to find the Fix For '96 bootleg?
Have I got the only copy? I've never seen or heard of it anywhere else.
Andy (a UK jammer, obviously :)
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Andrew Moore, IT Adviser
Dept. Of European Business Economics
Anglia Polytechnic University, Cambridge
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Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 14:51:20 +0100
From: gra@provida.no
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re E7 [b9) #5 with a twist ...
Message-ID: <41256507.004B8A22.00@oslo1.provida.no>
> Can anyone explain in what context is the E7(b9) chord used?
> I only know it is taken from the fifth degree of the harmonic
> minor scale. And that Yngwie uses it a lot. What scales can
> be played over it?
Crash course in Y.J.M scales:
If it's Yngwie, try the harmonic minor :)
BTW, I got myself a couple of kick-ass MP3 encoders from a couple
of kick-ass 'jammers. Now it's time to fill up my computer with MP3 songs
....
Actually, I was going to make a MP3 CD myself, not for sale, not prog,
strictly
GOA !!
-.profile
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Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 08:07:28 -0500
From: Matt Mommaerts <mattymo@inxpress.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: RE: Dream Theater Radio date
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970903080728.008b0430@inxpress.net>
>I just talked with 94.1 WYSP, the supposed 'ROCK' station in
>Philadelphia and they would play the New Dream Theater, but they don't
>have the fucking CD, they have a tape.
>
>So I'm going to try to email Elektra and say hey....there are radio
>stations willing to play the new DT, but you guys aren't even sending
>promotions out (well I'll just ask them to send a CD to the station).
>
>So we'll see what happens.
The official Radio impact date is September 9th!. So don't bother getting
on Elektra's case, they'll get it in time...maybe the station DID get it,
but the DJ hasn't seen it...remember, the DJ's are only puppets of the
Program Directors. Metal radio (mostly college metal shows) is getting a 3
song "metal sampler" and I'm sure the big commercial stations will get
something too... Burning my Soul is the first single. I just talked to the
college Elektra rep yesterday. He's sending me an advance. He also said
that some stations got an Elektra Fall sampler with that ONE DT song on it,
and are playing it (probably not legal, but who cares, right?) WOOHOO!
My 2 cents... well, by seeing how everyone was so critical of the first MP3
of YNM, I can't wait till DT gets played on the radio so much, everyone
here will be bitching that DT is overplayed on the radio and that they are
too big now. blah blah blah, your backstage passes will be shared with
3,000 other people, DT will need bodyguards, they'll fly from venue to
venue, Petrucci's wife will try to take over the band, and they'll break
up... heehee... just think about it! <grin>
>I just called the local station, KUPD. I figure, it's late, they should
>be able to play anything, right? Well, after talking to one of the DJs
>there, he said that they have the new DT single, but that they won't play
>it. He said if I want to hear it on 98, I need to contact Atco records.
Atco Records? Man, they haven't been on Atco since I&W... that DJ is a moron.
Matt
mattymo@fox47.com
mattymo@inxpress.net
Personal Home Page: http://www.inxpress.net/~mattymo
WORT-FM Mosh Pit page: http://www.inxpress.net/~mattymo/moshpit
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Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 14:36:09 +0100 (BST)
From: Graham Borland <gborland@apsoft.co.uk>
To: YtseJam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: No UK release?
Message-ID: <Marcel-1.26-0903133609-0b0rZWN@mor.apsoft.co.uk>
I've been enquiring at various music shops, and not a single one of them
has any information about a new release from Dream Theater.
DT ignored the UK last time round by failing to tour (one show in London
does not count, in my opinion). Are they ignoring us this time by not
even releasing the damn album?
No wonder they're so unpopular in this country, if they never tour or
release anything!
Sigh . . .
Graham
-- Graham Borland Email : gborland@apsoft.co.uk WWW : http://www.apsoft.co.uk Alternative Publishing Ltd Tel : 0141 418 0881 30 Clyde Place, Glasgow G5 8AQ Fax : 0141 418 0889------------------------------
Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 22:07:16 -0700 (MST) From: eckie@asu.edu To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Cover Design... Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970902220321.2356A-100000@general2.asu.edu>
> Bring on the flames - I always thought that the DT covers were a bit > 80's anyway (that's not to say I don't like them - and I know that > some of them were 80's - just IMHO).
Which albums have the covers of naked girls hanging off of the leather-clad DT members in thier poofy hair? This I want to see!
It's always funny when I hear/read/puke the saying, "It sounds so 70's, It sounds so 80's"....and especially "It LOOKS so 80's".
Now, fashions and clothing and music, I can understand...but artwork? "Oh, Jim Lee is so nineties and Rapheal is so 1540's..."
Just my brain fart.
~Eckie ain't yo bitch
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Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 22:09:29 -0700 (MST) From: eckie@asu.edu To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: I NEED YOUR HELP Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970902220839.2356B-100000@general2.asu.edu>
That was just SAD! Are you really that impatient to forego all social activities and expect a radio dj to play a requested song?
Eek. You just don't DO that with KUPD out here.
~Eckie Again
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Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 17:21:13 -0700 (MST) From: eckie@asu.edu To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Fw: Dream Theater...good news Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970902172048.6211C-100000@general1.asu.edu>
> > 3 new DT songs will be posted by morning. > > http://www.hardradio.com/preview.html >
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
~Eckie
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Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 11:11:11 -0400 From: "George Sumschidt" <gsrockr@stratos.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Payola sucks. Message-ID: <199709031513.IAA20486@odin.ax.com>
Payola sucks. Yeah, really. Didn't Neil Young do a song in the early 80's called "Payola Blues"? "This ones for you, Alan Freed. Wherever you go, whatever you do... 'Cause the things they're doing today would make a saint out of you! Payola Blues..." "No matter where I go, I never hear my record on the radio..." ************************************* /me wondering what it takes to get DT on the radio in the Rock 'n Roll Hall of Fame city {Cleveland}.
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Date: Wed, 3 Sep 97 17:29:51 +0200 From: Jason Breitweg <breitweg@zeusa1.desy.de> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Savatage's "Wake of Magellan" for sale Message-ID: <9709031529.AA09417@zeusa1.desy.de>
Hi Dusty and everyone,
Dusty> Jason, Hiya, Does the face that you are selling the new Dusty> Savatage mean that it sucks?? Please tell me no!...I'm a Dusty> HUGE savatage fan and have been looking very forward to Dusty> this release......Take Care.......Dusty
No it doesn't suck at all. I am just waiting until the full version with lyrics comes out that is all. But I assure you that this CD rocks! And I will be getting the new DT tonight *grin*. It is nice having connections sometimes.
Jason
-- Jason Breitweg, breitweg@amzeus.desy.de, http://www-zeus.desy.de/~breitweg "The time long forgotten will soon come again, prepare for the meeting, the Gods of Metal reign" - HammerFall
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Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 10:48:40 -0500 From: yzzy <yzzy@theonramp.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: re: scratched cd Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19970903104840.007a6100@mail.theonramp.net>
the way that my cd player scratched my cd was that it was pushing the cd down and rubbing against something (probably the laser's lens) -- the more a cd was played in the unit, the deeper the scratch. after discovering my I&W being toasted, i examined quite a few of my cd's and noticed that they all had similiar scratches, but, without any noticable loss to the audio because they hadn't been played as much as I&W.
i had bought the Sony cd player at Best Buy 2 years ago and i had also purchased their 4 year extended warranty at the same time. BB replaced my cd player and since my unit had been discontinued they allowed me to exchange and only pay the difference -- $7.41 was all i had to cough up. and since there have been technological advances, i now have a superior deck. unfortunately though, i'm getting ready to drive around town (which won't take long because the dividing line on the main road is only a hyphen ;-) and attempt to find another copy of I&W.
sorry for the delayed response, Pat. my isp's mail server is a joke. i've received the same mail message from a friend 20 times in the past 24 hours. and i've received some mail that wasn't even addressed to me. as well as missing mail that i should have received that was probably sent to someone else. i'm even missing some of the jam's digest. *yzzy slaps himself in frustration* i shud be searching for a new isp, but, would rather locate a copy of I&W first. *grin*
yzzy //Iz*zee//E*zee//E*ziz*ee//Y*z*z*y//Izzzzz
andifididn'thaveanythumbs,i'dtypelikethis;-)
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Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 10:52:54 -0500 (CDT) From: Jonathan Case <jcase@ROSSBY.METR.ou.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Mike Portnoy's time displacements/ ACOS Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.90.970903092146.15461A-100000@rossby>
Hello to all:
As an experienced drummer, I will provide an example of how Portnoy displaces time, even when times are all in 4/4.
Listen to "The darkest of Winters" (I don't have the CD in front of me, but maybe I'll denote the exact time later). Listen to the part where the raw guitar is playing in 4/4, just before the guitar/keys duet in fast 16ths, all in 4/4 time. Portnoy is playing straightforward 4/4 time, until all of a sudden he decides to playing a 6/8 type beat against the 4/4 time. He plays the HH on every third 8th note (instead of every quarter note), and plays the bass drum and snare such that it sounds as a 6/8 beat feel. That's probably the best way I can explain it with words. It would be more clear to write down the music:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | 4 X| X| X| X| | X| X| X| X| - @ @ | @ @ 4 $ @ @ $ @ @ | $ @ @ $ @ @ | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | ----- ----- | ----- ----- | -------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------------
This is the rhythm he plays while the raw guitar is playing. This is my first time I've tried to write "ASCII" music, so bear with me. A '$' is a quarter note rest. The above should be quarter (or eighth) notes '@' --> that's my best attempt to "fill them in". Anyhow, the first line is the cymbal (or HH, denoted with an "X"), the second line is snare, the third line is bass drum.
Now, here's what Mike plays, in 4/4 time, with a 6/8 or 12/8 feel:
-------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- | | | | | |\ | | |\ | |\ | | | | | | | | | 4 X % X $ X | % X $ X % X | - @ | @ @ | 4 @ @ | % @ @ | @ | % @ @ @ | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | \| | | | | \| | | | | ----- | ----- ----- | | | -------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- | | | --------- --------- | | |\ | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | $ X % X $ | X | | % X | | % | @ | @ @ @ @ | % @ @ @ | % @ | 0 0 | | | | | | | | | | \| | | | \| | | | | ----- | | | | -------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------
Here's the key:
hi-hat on top line. Snare drum on second line. Bass drum on bottom line.
"$" is a quarter note rest. "%" is an eighth note rest.
Drummers who read music should be able to pick up on this quite easily. The snare and bass drums are written together on the bottom example. On the top example, The hi-hat (or cymbal) and snare drum and written together. So, therefore, one should read the cymbal/snare, and bass drum parts separately for counting and rhythm parts.
On the bottom example, the hi-hat and bass drum/snare parts should be read sepatately.
As one can see, if you notice the hi-hat part is played every 3rd eighth note, while the bass and snare together play the rest of the 6/8 rhythm by filling in between the hi-hat. This drum part could be written in 6/8 time, by subdividing every 3 eighth notes into one beat (1-2-3, 4-5-6, etc). The bass would be played on 1-3-6 for every measure, while the snare would be played on 4. The hi-hat would be played on 1 and 4. Notice that 4- 6/8 measures would fit into the 3- 4/4 measures as written above. (24 total 8th notes)
I just wanted to prove to some unbelieving people that Portnoy plays these syncopated rhythms on purpose. THESE ARE NOT MISTAKES!! Dream Theater and Portnoy are awesome, and they arrange cool rhythms like this to have fun with "math and music" in the form of creative games in times and rhythm displacements.
I'll take any comments/suggestions as to writing ASCII sheet music. Drummers out there: Any other cool parts you'd like to arrange for us on ASCII sheet music?
Cheers, Jon Case
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