YTSEJAM digest 2929

From: ytsejam@ax.com
Date: Wed Sep 03 1997 - 12:43:56 EDT

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                                YTSEJAM Digest 2929

    Today's Topics:

      1) Elektra
     by djw_at_neon@smtpgate.walker.com
      2) Voting mood?
     by Bernd Basmer <basmer@med-rz.uni-sb.de>
      3) TAMP/random rumblings
     by "Neil Gallop" <nga@software-ag.de>
      4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2928
     by "Paul Matthews" <J6865644@emu.bendigo.latrobe.edu.au>
      5) Dream Theater album covers
     by "Raivo Hool" <raitz@guvatrak.ee>
      6) RE: Keyboard question
     by "BePe" <H.M.Peeters@stud.tue.nl>
      7) FII Release date
     by Andrew Moore <asmoore@bridge.anglia.ac.uk>
      8) Re E7 [b9) #5 with a twist ...
     by gra@provida.no
      9) RE: Dream Theater Radio date
     by Matt Mommaerts <mattymo@inxpress.net>
     10) No UK release?
     by Graham Borland <gborland@apsoft.co.uk>
     11) Re: Cover Design...
     by eckie@asu.edu
     12) Re: I NEED YOUR HELP
     by eckie@asu.edu
     13) Re: Fw: Dream Theater...good news
     by eckie@asu.edu
     14) Payola sucks.
     by "George Sumschidt" <gsrockr@stratos.net>
     15) Re: Savatage's "Wake of Magellan" for sale
     by Jason Breitweg <breitweg@zeusa1.desy.de>
     16) re: scratched cd
     by yzzy <yzzy@theonramp.net>
     17) Mike Portnoy's time displacements/ ACOS
     by Jonathan Case <jcase@ROSSBY.METR.ou.edu>

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    Date: Wed, 03 Sep 97 11:20:15 -0800
    From: djw_at_neon@smtpgate.walker.com
    To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Elektra
    Message-ID: <9709038732.AA873282014@smtpgate.walker.com>

         
         Hi,
         
           Could someone let me know the Email address for the useless fuck at
         Electra who is supposed to be pushing DT?
         
           I am getting tired of going into HMV and Virgin (in the UK) everyday
         and asking about a UK release date. No-one knows a thing about it,
         yet the seem to know everything about all the shite music comming out
         for the next four years.
         
           What the hell is this company doing?
         
           Pissed,
         
             Dave (a UK Jammer).

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    Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 12:41:58 +0200
    From: Bernd Basmer <basmer@med-rz.uni-sb.de>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Voting mood?
    Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970903124158.007e3ec0@krzsun.med-rz.uni-sb.de>

    Hi!

    If you are in voting mood, just have a look at this

    http://www.ideal.net.au/~aitkenc/metalsurvey.html

    and bring DT to top. :)

    Bye

    Bernd

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    Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 12:42:45 +0200
    From: "Neil Gallop" <nga@software-ag.de>
    To: "The Ytsejam Crowd" <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: TAMP/random rumblings
    Message-ID: <9709031051.AA06648@server3.software-ag.de>

    Hi all

    just what the fuck is a TAMP? It sounds like some sort of female
    sanitary article. Why are so many people so lazy that they can't be
    bothered to write things out in full? Why don't these people write
    macros or some other shit for their mail programs that insert the full
    names of albums and titles.

    OK, other stuff. Is anybody else looking forward to the cross-list
    slagging off and bitching that will almost certainly be going on once
    the new Dream Theater album is released? Falling Into Infinity will
    be reviewed on lists like the ones for Marillion, Rush, Metallica etc.
    and hyper-pissed jammers will post copies of these reviews to the
    jam together with comments like "what the fuck do these people
    know about music - they're on the grungeryche list" etc. etc. This
    could be fun. Hell hath no fury like a jammer outraged. I'm also
    quite sure that the die-hard Kevin Moore fans will come crawling
    out of the woodwork to tell us all how much better the new album
    would have been if Mr. Moore were still in the band. This could be
    boring.

    stay safe and happy listening
    Neil Gallop
    (nga@software-ag.de)
    Currently playing: Channel Zero - Unsafe

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    Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 21:13:46 +1000
    From: "Paul Matthews" <J6865644@emu.bendigo.latrobe.edu.au>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2928
    Message-ID: <9E155519F4@emu.bendigo.latrobe.edu.au>

    > Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 02:06:52 -0700 (PDT)
    > From: ytsejam@ax.com
    > Reply-to: ytsejam@ax.com
    > To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
    > Subject: YTSEJAM digest 2928

    > >No, sorry... One of the first things I noticed or disliked about
    > >ACOS was the blasted high pitched snare. It's really off putting for
    > >me. I'm a guitarist, so there you go.
    > >
    > It's a Piccolo snare. Sounds a bit like a marching snare. I personally
    > like it. There's not one thing Portnoy does that I dislike. He IS
    > percussion :) (just like Zonder and Peart)
    >

    Each one to their own :)

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    Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 14:54:34 +0200
    From: "Raivo Hool" <raitz@guvatrak.ee>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Dream Theater album covers
    Message-ID: <199709031155.OAA00892@lahmaat.guvatrak.ee>

    > Bring on the flames - I always thought that the DT covers were a bit
    > 80's anyway (that's not to say I don't like them - and I know that

    I have to confess something too: whereas I really like the cover of
    Awake, I definitely dislike the cover (and the inner sleeve) of
    Images & Turds. I don't think it's because I thought it was too
    "eighties", it's more like a former graphic designer's viewpoint: it
    was clumsily executed. Then again, in 1991-1992, the computers
    weren't quite able to do what they can do now.

    Side note: anybody noticed how the overall color tonality of all
    Dream Theater album covers reflects the musical tonality of their
    respective albums? To me, When Dream And Day Unite has always sounded
    yellowish-brownish, sort of warm. Images & Words sounds pretty much
    warm, red and yellow. Awake (and Seasons... to a lesser degree) on
    the other hand is dark, blue and cold. (It doesn't mean it's
    emotionally defunct.)

    Maybe I have no idea as to what I'm on about, but when I start
    thinking about it, most artworks I've seen pretty much reflect what's
    inside the box.

    Raitz

          Thru nature's inflexible grace
              I'm learning to QUOTE!

              (Hint hint, clue clue)

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    Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 14:28:59 +0100 (CET)
    From: "BePe" <H.M.Peeters@stud.tue.nl>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: RE: Keyboard question
    Message-ID: <52140.s432342@popserver.tue.nl>

    > If you have about 1700, you can buy the Roland VK7, which
    > is the most amazing Hammond B3 simulator I have ever seen, down to the
    > drawbars and overdrive nob and ability to connect a real leslie.
    I've played the VK7 and it's great, indeed. But I own the Hammond XM-1
    module myself, which sounds really awesome. I payed about 1300 bucks for it.
    It futures drawbars, overdrive, built-in completely editable Leslie effect
    (and also a connector for a real Leslie), percussion, vibrato, chorus, just
    about everything. Oh, and 3 different MIDI channels for upper and lower
    manual and pedals. Kicks ass.
    KORG has made some fine Hammond imitators as well.
    Or you could buy the XB-3 for $15000 :)

    BePe.

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    Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 13:37:10 +0100 ()
    From: Andrew Moore <asmoore@bridge.anglia.ac.uk>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: FII Release date
    Message-ID: <SIMEON.9709031310.A@guinan.abs.anglia.ac.uk>

    Hi,

    I thought I'd do my bit for UK jammers and try and find out a release date
    for the UK, but my local store doesn't know. They seem to think Warners
    may hold it back, as they have the US release date but haven't heard a
    thing about the UK date. So no news - sorry!

    So, can the guy from Holland post the release date for over there again?
    I can't remember what it was. My local store can order it from there and
    have it the same week, so I need to know the date. Other UK jammers may
    find this is their best option if the UK date has been put back for some
    reason.

    How come us UK jammers are always the last to hear things? Can't Neil
    (from the fan club) get us better service? I know we had the Ronnie
    Scott's gig, but why didn't they play London during the last set of dates?

    Also, has any other UK jammers managed to find the Fix For '96 bootleg?
    Have I got the only copy? I've never seen or heard of it anywhere else.

    Andy (a UK jammer, obviously :)

    -----------------------------------------
    Andrew Moore, IT Adviser
    Dept. Of European Business Economics
    Anglia Polytechnic University, Cambridge
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    Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 14:51:20 +0100
    From: gra@provida.no
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re E7 [b9) #5 with a twist ...
    Message-ID: <41256507.004B8A22.00@oslo1.provida.no>

    > Can anyone explain in what context is the E7(b9) chord used?
    > I only know it is taken from the fifth degree of the harmonic
    > minor scale. And that Yngwie uses it a lot. What scales can
    > be played over it?

    Crash course in Y.J.M scales:
        If it's Yngwie, try the harmonic minor :)

    BTW, I got myself a couple of kick-ass MP3 encoders from a couple
    of kick-ass 'jammers. Now it's time to fill up my computer with MP3 songs
    ....
    Actually, I was going to make a MP3 CD myself, not for sale, not prog,
    strictly
    GOA !!

    -.profile

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    Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 08:07:28 -0500
    From: Matt Mommaerts <mattymo@inxpress.net>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: RE: Dream Theater Radio date
    Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970903080728.008b0430@inxpress.net>

    >I just talked with 94.1 WYSP, the supposed 'ROCK' station in
    >Philadelphia and they would play the New Dream Theater, but they don't
    >have the fucking CD, they have a tape.
    >
    >So I'm going to try to email Elektra and say hey....there are radio
    >stations willing to play the new DT, but you guys aren't even sending
    >promotions out (well I'll just ask them to send a CD to the station).
    >
    >So we'll see what happens.

    The official Radio impact date is September 9th!. So don't bother getting
    on Elektra's case, they'll get it in time...maybe the station DID get it,
    but the DJ hasn't seen it...remember, the DJ's are only puppets of the
    Program Directors. Metal radio (mostly college metal shows) is getting a 3
    song "metal sampler" and I'm sure the big commercial stations will get
    something too... Burning my Soul is the first single. I just talked to the
    college Elektra rep yesterday. He's sending me an advance. He also said
    that some stations got an Elektra Fall sampler with that ONE DT song on it,
    and are playing it (probably not legal, but who cares, right?) WOOHOO!

    My 2 cents... well, by seeing how everyone was so critical of the first MP3
    of YNM, I can't wait till DT gets played on the radio so much, everyone
    here will be bitching that DT is overplayed on the radio and that they are
    too big now. blah blah blah, your backstage passes will be shared with
    3,000 other people, DT will need bodyguards, they'll fly from venue to
    venue, Petrucci's wife will try to take over the band, and they'll break
    up... heehee... just think about it! <grin>

    >I just called the local station, KUPD. I figure, it's late, they should
    >be able to play anything, right? Well, after talking to one of the DJs
    >there, he said that they have the new DT single, but that they won't play
    >it. He said if I want to hear it on 98, I need to contact Atco records.

    Atco Records? Man, they haven't been on Atco since I&W... that DJ is a moron.

    Matt

    mattymo@fox47.com
    mattymo@inxpress.net
    Personal Home Page: http://www.inxpress.net/~mattymo
    WORT-FM Mosh Pit page: http://www.inxpress.net/~mattymo/moshpit

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    Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 14:36:09 +0100 (BST)
    From: Graham Borland <gborland@apsoft.co.uk>
    To: YtseJam <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: No UK release?
    Message-ID: <Marcel-1.26-0903133609-0b0rZWN@mor.apsoft.co.uk>

    I've been enquiring at various music shops, and not a single one of them
    has any information about a new release from Dream Theater.

    DT ignored the UK last time round by failing to tour (one show in London
    does not count, in my opinion). Are they ignoring us this time by not
    even releasing the damn album?

    No wonder they're so unpopular in this country, if they never tour or
    release anything!

    Sigh . . .

    Graham

    -- 
    Graham Borland                         Email :  gborland@apsoft.co.uk
                                             WWW :  http://www.apsoft.co.uk
    Alternative Publishing Ltd               Tel :  0141 418 0881
    30 Clyde Place, Glasgow G5 8AQ           Fax :  0141 418 0889
    

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    Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 22:07:16 -0700 (MST) From: eckie@asu.edu To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Cover Design... Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970902220321.2356A-100000@general2.asu.edu>

    > Bring on the flames - I always thought that the DT covers were a bit > 80's anyway (that's not to say I don't like them - and I know that > some of them were 80's - just IMHO).

    Which albums have the covers of naked girls hanging off of the leather-clad DT members in thier poofy hair? This I want to see!

    It's always funny when I hear/read/puke the saying, "It sounds so 70's, It sounds so 80's"....and especially "It LOOKS so 80's".

    Now, fashions and clothing and music, I can understand...but artwork? "Oh, Jim Lee is so nineties and Rapheal is so 1540's..."

    Just my brain fart.

    ~Eckie ain't yo bitch

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    Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 22:09:29 -0700 (MST) From: eckie@asu.edu To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: I NEED YOUR HELP Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970902220839.2356B-100000@general2.asu.edu>

    That was just SAD! Are you really that impatient to forego all social activities and expect a radio dj to play a requested song?

    Eek. You just don't DO that with KUPD out here.

    ~Eckie Again

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    Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 17:21:13 -0700 (MST) From: eckie@asu.edu To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Fw: Dream Theater...good news Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970902172048.6211C-100000@general1.asu.edu>

    > > 3 new DT songs will be posted by morning. > > http://www.hardradio.com/preview.html >

    YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    ~Eckie

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    Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 11:11:11 -0400 From: "George Sumschidt" <gsrockr@stratos.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Payola sucks. Message-ID: <199709031513.IAA20486@odin.ax.com>

    Payola sucks. Yeah, really. Didn't Neil Young do a song in the early 80's called "Payola Blues"? "This ones for you, Alan Freed. Wherever you go, whatever you do... 'Cause the things they're doing today would make a saint out of you! Payola Blues..." "No matter where I go, I never hear my record on the radio..." ************************************* /me wondering what it takes to get DT on the radio in the Rock 'n Roll Hall of Fame city {Cleveland}.

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    Date: Wed, 3 Sep 97 17:29:51 +0200 From: Jason Breitweg <breitweg@zeusa1.desy.de> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Savatage's "Wake of Magellan" for sale Message-ID: <9709031529.AA09417@zeusa1.desy.de>

    Hi Dusty and everyone,

    Dusty> Jason, Hiya, Does the face that you are selling the new Dusty> Savatage mean that it sucks?? Please tell me no!...I'm a Dusty> HUGE savatage fan and have been looking very forward to Dusty> this release......Take Care.......Dusty

    No it doesn't suck at all. I am just waiting until the full version with lyrics comes out that is all. But I assure you that this CD rocks! And I will be getting the new DT tonight *grin*. It is nice having connections sometimes.

    Jason

    -- Jason Breitweg, breitweg@amzeus.desy.de, http://www-zeus.desy.de/~breitweg "The time long forgotten will soon come again, prepare for the meeting, the Gods of Metal reign" - HammerFall

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    Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 10:48:40 -0500 From: yzzy <yzzy@theonramp.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: re: scratched cd Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19970903104840.007a6100@mail.theonramp.net>

    the way that my cd player scratched my cd was that it was pushing the cd down and rubbing against something (probably the laser's lens) -- the more a cd was played in the unit, the deeper the scratch. after discovering my I&W being toasted, i examined quite a few of my cd's and noticed that they all had similiar scratches, but, without any noticable loss to the audio because they hadn't been played as much as I&W.

    i had bought the Sony cd player at Best Buy 2 years ago and i had also purchased their 4 year extended warranty at the same time. BB replaced my cd player and since my unit had been discontinued they allowed me to exchange and only pay the difference -- $7.41 was all i had to cough up. and since there have been technological advances, i now have a superior deck. unfortunately though, i'm getting ready to drive around town (which won't take long because the dividing line on the main road is only a hyphen ;-) and attempt to find another copy of I&W.

    sorry for the delayed response, Pat. my isp's mail server is a joke. i've received the same mail message from a friend 20 times in the past 24 hours. and i've received some mail that wasn't even addressed to me. as well as missing mail that i should have received that was probably sent to someone else. i'm even missing some of the jam's digest. *yzzy slaps himself in frustration* i shud be searching for a new isp, but, would rather locate a copy of I&W first. *grin*

    yzzy //Iz*zee//E*zee//E*ziz*ee//Y*z*z*y//Izzzzz

    andifididn'thaveanythumbs,i'dtypelikethis;-)

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    Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 10:52:54 -0500 (CDT) From: Jonathan Case <jcase@ROSSBY.METR.ou.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Mike Portnoy's time displacements/ ACOS Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.90.970903092146.15461A-100000@rossby>

    Hello to all:

    As an experienced drummer, I will provide an example of how Portnoy displaces time, even when times are all in 4/4.

    Listen to "The darkest of Winters" (I don't have the CD in front of me, but maybe I'll denote the exact time later). Listen to the part where the raw guitar is playing in 4/4, just before the guitar/keys duet in fast 16ths, all in 4/4 time. Portnoy is playing straightforward 4/4 time, until all of a sudden he decides to playing a 6/8 type beat against the 4/4 time. He plays the HH on every third 8th note (instead of every quarter note), and plays the bass drum and snare such that it sounds as a 6/8 beat feel. That's probably the best way I can explain it with words. It would be more clear to write down the music:

    -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | 4 X| X| X| X| | X| X| X| X| - @ @ | @ @ 4 $ @ @ $ @ @ | $ @ @ $ @ @ | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | ----- ----- | ----- ----- | -------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------------

    This is the rhythm he plays while the raw guitar is playing. This is my first time I've tried to write "ASCII" music, so bear with me. A '$' is a quarter note rest. The above should be quarter (or eighth) notes '@' --> that's my best attempt to "fill them in". Anyhow, the first line is the cymbal (or HH, denoted with an "X"), the second line is snare, the third line is bass drum.

    Now, here's what Mike plays, in 4/4 time, with a 6/8 or 12/8 feel:

    -------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- | | | | | |\ | | |\ | |\ | | | | | | | | | 4 X % X $ X | % X $ X % X | - @ | @ @ | 4 @ @ | % @ @ | @ | % @ @ @ | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | \| | | | | \| | | | | ----- | ----- ----- | | | -------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- | | | --------- --------- | | |\ | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | $ X % X $ | X | | % X | | % | @ | @ @ @ @ | % @ @ @ | % @ | 0 0 | | | | | | | | | | \| | | | \| | | | | ----- | | | | -------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------

    Here's the key:

    hi-hat on top line. Snare drum on second line. Bass drum on bottom line.

    "$" is a quarter note rest. "%" is an eighth note rest.

    Drummers who read music should be able to pick up on this quite easily. The snare and bass drums are written together on the bottom example. On the top example, The hi-hat (or cymbal) and snare drum and written together. So, therefore, one should read the cymbal/snare, and bass drum parts separately for counting and rhythm parts.

    On the bottom example, the hi-hat and bass drum/snare parts should be read sepatately.

    As one can see, if you notice the hi-hat part is played every 3rd eighth note, while the bass and snare together play the rest of the 6/8 rhythm by filling in between the hi-hat. This drum part could be written in 6/8 time, by subdividing every 3 eighth notes into one beat (1-2-3, 4-5-6, etc). The bass would be played on 1-3-6 for every measure, while the snare would be played on 4. The hi-hat would be played on 1 and 4. Notice that 4- 6/8 measures would fit into the 3- 4/4 measures as written above. (24 total 8th notes)

    I just wanted to prove to some unbelieving people that Portnoy plays these syncopated rhythms on purpose. THESE ARE NOT MISTAKES!! Dream Theater and Portnoy are awesome, and they arrange cool rhythms like this to have fun with "math and music" in the form of creative games in times and rhythm displacements.

    I'll take any comments/suggestions as to writing ASCII sheet music. Drummers out there: Any other cool parts you'd like to arrange for us on ASCII sheet music?

    Cheers, Jon Case

    jcase@rossby.ou.edu

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