YTSEJAM Digest 2930
Today's Topics:
1) release date FII in the Netherlands
by "Patrick Sebel" <PATRICK@aowserver.phys.tue.nl>
2) Re: Rush Tribute
by BigVic <BigVic@usa.net>
3) PISSED OFF MOMENTS IN LIFE
by "Mark Fitchett" <mafit@classic.msn.com>
4) Re: Dream Theater album covers
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br>
5) Re: Dream Theater (on Philadelphia Radio)
by JamesAhab@aol.com
6) Satriani ranking list
by David Di Tivoli <dream@pronet.it>
7) mistakes/radioshows in Finland/cd's/Tallinn..
by Satu Reunanen <satu.reunanen@sci.fi>
8) the latest trip to the used bin
by "woot" <woot@crypted.com>
9) DT promo discs
by JB <beamup@vt.edu>
10) Re: Dream Theater album covers
by Shai Yallin <Yallin@Netvision.net.il>
11) MP3 encoders
by Shai Yallin <Yallin@Netvision.net.il>
12) Re: FII Release date
by Gary Cleghorn <gary@tequila.demon.co.uk>
13) check this s*** out.... (DTC way down at the bottom)
by "Partha S. Mukhopadhyay" <pmukhop@med.wayne.edu>
14) ...
by Hein Vandenabeele
15) playing entire albums live
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
16) Thing sthat come true on the jam, and Interesting Spice Girls quote...
by caber1@concentric.net
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Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 18:24:06 MET-2DST
From: "Patrick Sebel" <PATRICK@aowserver.phys.tue.nl>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: release date FII in the Netherlands
Message-ID: <5D1922F43F8@aowserver.phys.tue.nl>
Hi,
I don't know if this is already mentioned, but anyway.
I just checked the CD shop and on the board with upcoming releases
DT's FII was expected on sept. 16th. Less than 2 weeks to go..
(as in the Netherlands we don't have radiostations playing the
new DT songs....)
Patrick Sebel
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Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 10:12:09 -0700
From: BigVic <BigVic@usa.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Rush Tribute
Message-ID: <340D9A68.291E@usa.net>
jescuder@uio.satnet.net wrote:
> Hi there, I'm a Rush & DT fan from Ecuador, South America, and I
> have a little problem. I recently got by a friend a cassette copy of the Rush
> Tribute, and I would like to know, who produced it, which musicians are
> featured, the names of the songs, and specially, who the hell is playing in each
> song, those guys are really amazing!. I recognize some Dt members, Sebastian
> bach, Fates Warning, Devin Townsend, Steve Morse, Sheehan and
> Castronovo, but I'd really like to know who's playing each instrument in each
> song. If there's someone out there who knows this, please email me privately at the following
> address:
>
> jescuder@uio.satnet.net
>
> thank you!!
>
Hola compaņero:
Sorry I'm replying to this message so late, but I was on vacation! :^)
The Working Man Tribute Album it's a very good release, and it's good to
listen to new versions of my favorite songs, so if you wanna find out
the movers and shakers of the album then got to the following link:
http://www.magnacarta.net/magcar03.htm
Hope this will help!
BTW, si me quieres contestar en espaņol, mejor todavia amigo!
Nos vemos!
-- +-----------------------------------------------+ | Victor "BigVic" Parra | | The Cordon Bleu of Progressive Rock | | bigvic@usa.net | | | | Check out my favorite band...RUSH!! | | @ http://syrinx.umd.edu/rush.html | | | |"-.-- -.-- --.. -.-- -.-- --.. -.-- -.-- --.." | | YYZ by Lee, Lifeson & Peart | +-----------------------------------------------+------------------------------
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 97 10:27:27 UT From: "Mark Fitchett" <mafit@classic.msn.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: PISSED OFF MOMENTS IN LIFE Message-ID: <UPMAIL06.199709031638220692@classic.msn.com>
SORRY for shouting(!) in the "Subject" but I am hoping everyone will read this. Ive just phoned up East/West (Im in the UK) to ask them what the release date for FII is in the UK. Well the woman (In the press section) knew NOTHING about the release, she checked her release date info which was the schedule for the forseeable future and DT was NOT on it. She suggested that the 23rd was the US release only and I should IMPORT it!!!!!!! Is it any wonder DT don't sell millions of records when East/West seem to consist of a bunch of bubbleheaded idiots where the "Left arm" doesnt know what the "Right arm" is doing.
PLEASE READ THIS ALL U.S. DT FANS:- Can someone in the US either get in contact with the band or their management and explain about the situation in the UK and try and get someone's ass kicked into getting this thing released. The UK is one of the biggest markets for music in the world, actually releasing the CD over here might help the profile of the band!
I WILL import it from the US if necessary but how are any new fans going to be won and less devoted fans than me be kept if the record company doesnt seem to give a shit!
I AM MIGHTILY P****D OFF :(
Come on East/West - get it together, you don't deserve DT.
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Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 13:49:46 -0300 (EST) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Dream Theater album covers Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.970903134525.1691A-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Wed, 3 Sep 1997, Raivo Hool wrote:
> I have to confess something too: whereas I really like the cover of > Awake, I definitely dislike the cover (and the inner sleeve) of > Images & Turds. I don't think it's because I thought it was too > "eighties", it's more like a former graphic designer's viewpoint: it > was clumsily executed. Then again, in 1991-1992, the computers > weren't quite able to do what they can do now.
Well, in fact, I prefer Images & Words a lot. Much, much more than Awake (maybe it's because Awake is way too heavy, way too technical (this is what I hear -- since I don't know anything about music other than to press the play button of my CD player...)). But I happen to enjoy I&W, Awake and ACoS, but I don't care that much for WDaDU.
> Side note: anybody noticed how the overall color tonality of all > Dream Theater album covers reflects the musical tonality of their > respective albums? To me, When Dream And Day Unite has always sounded > yellowish-brownish, sort of warm. Images & Words sounds pretty much > warm, red and yellow. Awake (and Seasons... to a lesser degree) on > the other hand is dark, blue and cold. (It doesn't mean it's > emotionally defunct.)
Well, I always thought this, but thought that nobody were interested in discussing this... ;-) I have the *same* impressions that you have.
[]s, Roger... -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 12:56:01 -0400 (EDT) From: JamesAhab@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Dream Theater (on Philadelphia Radio) Message-ID: <970903125412_-831885712@emout15.mail.aol.com>
I, too, called WYSP around noon on Wednesday. They where doing their little one-hour request show. Of course, we all know most request shows are scams: the producer says he'll TRY to get it on for you no matter how obscure the song, and, of course, you never hear it. Well, since it was 12 in the afternoon and they must not've been getting many calls, this guy had time to "chat". So, I call up and request 'Burning My Soul' by Dream Theater and this guy goes out of his mind! He goes, "Oh, my God, I've NEVER had a request for them!" (it broke my heart) And he's asking me all these questions, ya know, asking when it comes out and I explained the single release and the album release later in the month. And he's asking me if I'm a big fan and how many albums do they have out, have you seen them play, what band do they resemble (I said Queensryhce, Rush, Metallica), etc. Well, he seemed really interested like he'd heard they where good but never had the chance to hear them. So he says he'll talk to his program manager, thanks me and hangs up...quite interesting. Anyway, e-mail them at WYSP94@aol.com and request it! I did a few days ago, but still no reply. >:-(
Jim
"The age of understanding came with blood and semen stains." - Andrew Cairns, 'Therapy?'
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Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 16:18:23 +0200 From: David Di Tivoli <dream@pronet.it> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Satriani ranking list Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970903161823.00870a40@pronet.it>
I would like to know what are the best Satriani's cds......tnx for help...
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Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 20:54:19 +0300 From: Satu Reunanen <satu.reunanen@sci.fi> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: mistakes/radioshows in Finland/cd's/Tallinn.. Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970903175419.006653c0@mbox.sci.fi>
Heeere we go again !
>especially not in a studio. In live performance, Mike's drumming gets a bit inaccurate. >In his drum solo in YTSEJAM, in the "live in tokyo" video, his double bass drum part is >extremly messed-up, and in the "live at the marquee" cd, his makes a mistake in the >SOROUNDED opening part. (can't remember exactly when, don't have the cd). Wheew..if I listened to my cd's this well, there wouldn't be much left to enjoy the music ! Relax guys !
> Satu Reunanen wrote : >> I'll keep DT's music in my heart till the day I die. Mark (?) wrote: > Or until they "sell out" :-)
Well, it would be awful, but I have to admit I like some sell-out bands..and I happen to like some things that Desmond Child has done too. I'm into more music styles than just progressive.
I'm wondering where Ville Rassi lives in Finland, since I know a few radioprograms that play metal and progressive here. Ever heard of Metalliliitto ? Or know the dj in Radio City called Jone ? I haven't listened to the radio in a while now, but I think these shows are still around there. So all you Finns out there, check these out !
Bought Fish's Sunsets on empire, Paradise Lost's One second, Blackmore's Night, G3, etc. I really like these cd's, check 'em out ! Raivo, can you tell a good place in Tallinn to go spend an evening ? Last Saturday I saw a bunch of metalheads going somewhere there, but had no clue where they were going. I went to Guitar safari, but I think that place doesn't live up to it's name. Where do you usually go ?
Now back to my freakin' flu..Satu
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Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 12:18:35 -0600 From: "woot" <woot@crypted.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: the latest trip to the used bin Message-ID: <199709031820.MAA23117@mailmx.micron.net>
Had my first exposure to Tori Amos the other day (except for about 3 minutes worth when she was on MTV UP. Picked up the "Caught in a lite Sneeze" single for $1.91, which also features 4 "silly" songs. Very listenable stuff. Great voice, pretty much what I was expecting.
Also got an Yngwie Malmsteen Compilation album for 4 bucks, and was fairly impressed. Most of the songs (i.e. the ones with vocals) I can't listen to, but the instrumental stuff is pretty impressive. He doesn't wank nearly as much as I expected. I was expecting Michael Angelo/Satch flying era stuff, but he has some pretty melodic stuff in there.
My mom went to a progressive dinner the other night, but she says there wasn't any music. Go figure.
woot
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Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 14:33:41 -0400 From: JB <beamup@vt.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: DT promo discs Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19970903143341.007c2c20@mail.vt.edu>
Does anyone know who to get in contact with to get a promo disc? I'd like to run it on my radio show (college radio of course), and the station manager's ok'd it.... who do I talk to ?
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Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 21:38:17 +0300 From: Shai Yallin <Yallin@Netvision.net.il> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Dream Theater album covers Message-ID: <340DAE99.7118@Netvision.net.il>
Raivo Hool wrote: > > Side note: anybody noticed how the overall color tonality of all > Dream Theater album covers reflects the musical tonality of their > respective albums? To me, When Dream And Day Unite has always sounded > yellowish-brownish, sort of warm. Images & Words sounds pretty much > warm, red and yellow. Awake (and Seasons... to a lesser degree) on > the other hand is dark, blue and cold. (It doesn't mean it's > emotionally defunct.) > > Maybe I have no idea as to what I'm on about, but when I start > thinking about it, most artworks I've seen pretty much reflect what's > inside the box. >
Yeah, I've noticed it too. It seems very strange..... Like, they're fucking crazy.... you can't expect such a thing from bands like greenday and stuff.... but then again, we're talking about DT.....
-- Shai Yallin - Kurush on #YTSEJAM
"mmmbop, da da doobop yeaaaaah..." - Hanson
"The chances of a secret to come out is the sum of square of the number of people who know it" - no idea who said it, but it's damn cool. (translation may be lame - I know it in correctly hebrew...."
Visit my home page at http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palladium/3247
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Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 21:43:36 +0300 From: Shai Yallin <Yallin@Netvision.net.il> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: MP3 encoders Message-ID: <340DAFD8.458F@Netvision.net.il>
Hi there once again!
Doez anyone have a good MP3 Encoder that is not l3enc/l3dec? If you do, can you please e-mail it to me or give a URL where you got it?
Thanx, Shai Yallin - Kurush on #YTSEJAM
"mmmbop, da da doobop yeaaaaah..." - Hanson
"The chances of a secret to come out is the sum of square of the number of people who know it" - no idea who said it, but it's damn cool. (translation may be lame - I know it in correctly hebrew...."
Visit my home page at http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palladium/3247
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Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 18:12:01 +0100 From: Gary Cleghorn <gary@tequila.demon.co.uk> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: FII Release date Message-ID: <+elHJDAhpZD0EwHk@tequila.demon.co.uk>
In article <SIMEON.9709031310.A@guinan.abs.anglia.ac.uk>, Andrew Moore <asmoore@bridge.anglia.ac.uk> writes > >Also, has any other UK jammers managed to find the Fix For '96 bootleg? >Have I got the only copy? I've never seen or heard of it anywhere else. > >Andy (a UK jammer, obviously :)
Nope, got mine from a mail order company in Japan :-)
Gary Cleghorn Ytsejam Photo Gallery at http://www.tequila.demon.co.uk/
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Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 15:37:21 -0400 (EDT) From: "Partha S. Mukhopadhyay" <pmukhop@med.wayne.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: check this s*** out.... (DTC way down at the bottom) Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.970903150340.8795E-100000@moose>
ok, so i get to detroit, first thing that happens is some beer-drinking fool tries to kill me by running thru a red light at 40 miles per hour.....and the cop, who was two blocks away and talking to some lady insists that that idiot had the green....good thing my dad's reflexes are getting a little slower, otherwise that asswipe's truck would have hit my (passenger side) door instead of the front bumper.....
then, I get all settled in, guess what i forgot? any kind of real stereo player....but i got my walkman, so that's cool, it's just that anyone waiting on something from me will have to wait a bit (all two of you)
here's the kicker.....get a call from my bro, and it seems a package has arrived at my humble former homestead.....contents: 2 discs; artists: Superior and Angra.....man, I wasn't planning on going home to see the 'rents so damn soon (only live an hour away, so hell, i could walk that distance if i had to).....but with that kind of inducement awaiting me.....
oh, and kicker part two....open up my new school's newspaper (Wayne State's "the south end") and i'm reading and i'm thinking the writing is sorta sloppy (esp. compared to the one i worked at at the u of Michigan, which won the most indiv. awards gold circle awards from the CPSA, which makes it, in the mind of this totally biased ex-wannabe non-journalist, the best college paper in the country, thank you)
but then i turn to page seven, and they got a review of A PLEASANT SHADE OF GRAY! ok, so it's 5 months late, and it spends 2/3rds of the review ripping on fates' past efforts, but it does pull itself out of the flame pit by ultimately praising this album, albeit somewhat lefthandedly ("an interesting trip down 80s metal amnesia lane" or something like that).....the biggest thing is that fates got reviewed at all? I think i might go in and check this outfit out, after all....maybe i can get a DT review in there before 5 months go by.......of course, right next to the fates review, there a review of oasis' new album , which ends with "despite the obviously derivative sound, it is still one of the more original releases in the crowded and homogeneous "alternative" music field".....whcih bascially sums up how sad alternative is, if Oasis is the be all and end all of creativity in that field.....
as david spade might have said on SNL...."i liked Oasis the first time around...when they were call THE BEATLES"
DTC!DTC!DTC!DTC......
oh and a coupla more thoughts on listening to FII....... y'know, the greatest thing about DT is the way that every time you listen, something new strikes you, and that "discovery" period goes on and on for a long time......still hearing new twists in metropolis :)
anna lee, that song i was panning so badly last week, sounds alright to me now, as if it were another Elton John song covered by DT.....it's still the worst song on the album, but i don't hate it anymore....
and Peruvian Skies, which might now be my second fave song on FII (after Lines in the Sand which still rules the roost), after getting comments from a coupla jammers, now resembles Pink Floyd, circa 70's during it's slow portions 50% of the time.....the other half I still hear Metallica "Load" influence......maybe it's because "load" has some Floydian moments on it?
anyone ever hear anything like that on load? in the song "bleeding me", particularly, because that's what I compare "peruvian Skies" to, in particular.....
now that you're totally bored out of your wits....... if anyone is reading this, it's proof that a non-subscriber can post to the jam......and you can all go whine to skadz about how only subbers should be allowed to post.....but be warned, I'll be back among you soon enough...... :)
if anyone cares to reply to me.....look at the top of this msg, because I ain't quite sure what my address is....and I'd like to find out for sure that i can send and receive msgs here....
partha mukhopadhyay the ytsejammer formerly known as ahtrap
"swept away with the tide through the holes in my hands crown of thorns by my side drawing lines in the sand....." DT
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Date: 3 Sep 97 18:35:35 EDT From: Hein Vandenabeele To: ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: ... Message-ID: <9709032252.AA4613@NYC-NTGW-N01.ny.jpmorgan.com>
<Hey all, < If anyone is worried about FII, remember...if you're into the heavy stuff, <melodic stuff, and fast shit that just plain rocks, you're gonna fookin' <love this new album. Just from what I've heard, it rivals and maybe even <beats out Cryptic Writings and Fire Garden as my favs of this past year <(Sep '96 to Sep '97).
I'd say, beating Cryptic Writings isn't that difficult...
H.
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Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 21:15:05 +0200 From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl> To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: playing entire albums live Message-ID: <01BCB8B6.3F57AB40@Q.startrek.GlobalXS.nl>
Richard Karsmakers wrote :
> Er...am I stupid or wasn't Queensryche the first band to play an > entire album (during the 1990 "Building Empires" tour they played > all of "Operation Mindcrime"). So that beats Savatage, Fates Warning > *and* Marillion.
Marillion - Misplaced Childhood in '85. Check out their live double album "The Thieving Magpie" disc 2 (released in '88) for proof :-)
So, that would make you stupid ;-) (just kidding, Richard)
I'm sure lots of other bands have done the same, way before '85, though.
Btw, a live version of the *entire* album "Brave" (over 70 minutes) can be found live on "Made Again", if anyone's interested... Hope I won't get flamed for mentioning them again, though.
Only 16 days until "Falling Into Infinity" !
Woo-hoo :-)
Oh yeah, the new Most Frequent Poster lists are available at :
URL: http://www.prognosis.com/itchy/indexdt.htm
NAME: Mark 'Itchy' Bredius
(just making sure my DT page will get linked to next month's MFP lists)
Also check the results of a poll I did on the Marillion list, last month... It is called the "Poll of a Thousand Voters" and includes favourite bands/artists, lyricists, male/female vocals, bassists, keyboardists, guitarists, drummers, albums... the works.. :-) You can find it on http://www.prognosis.com/itchy/ Mark ____________________________________________________bredius@globalxs.nl__ HOW TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THE YTSEJAM : _ _____ ___ _ _ __ __ Address: ytsejam-request@ax.com |:||_.:._|/:._]|:]_[:|\.\_/./ Subject: asdf |:| |:| (.:(_ |:___:| \_::/ Message: unsubscribe ytsejam <yourname> |_| [_] \___]|_] [_| [__/ _________________________________________________________________________ Itchy's http://www.prognosis.com/itchy/ H Website http://www.a-vip.com/H
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Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 15:26:53 -0700 From: caber1@concentric.net To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Thing sthat come true on the jam, and Interesting Spice Girls quote... Message-ID: <340DE42D.2B00@concentric.net>
Hi everyone,
> From: "Neil Gallop" <nga@software-ag.de> > Subject: TAMP/random rumblings > just what the fuck is a TAMP? It sounds like some sort of female > sanitary article.
Hehe, who was it that posted up TAMP(on) earlier in the year. Whoever it was even though you were joking, it happened! :)
> Why are so many people so lazy that they can't be > bothered to write things out in full? Why don't these people write > macros or some other shit for their mail programs that insert the full > names of albums and titles.
B/c if I did that I'd be helping out those of you that write out the words DT, IMHO(or something)! (j/k) :P ____ > From: Jonathan Case <jcase@ROSSBY.METR.ou.edu> > Subject: Mike Portnoy's time displacements/ ACOS
> Drummers who read music should be able to pick up on this
Okay, that crap looked even weirder than tab! I don't understand how you can write down which hi-hat to hit(they don't all sound the same), or which snare to hit(same thing here), etc. Jeez, and I thought drummers were dumb. Hmm, maybe it's the keyboardists who are dumb? ;)
> THESE ARE NOT MISTAKES!!
"hey, how do you know they aren't mistakes! maybe portnoy wanted to screw up! maybe he's not in EST, maybe he's in MST, or CST, or AST, or even PST? why do you think he's in EST just cause he lives in it! dt breaks all the rules, so why would they follow standard time? huh? yeah, i'm a /real/ fan, and you're not!"
This is how someone is going to answer this question one day. I kno--swear by all that is holy that this will happen. :) ____ And for all you Spice Girls fans, I hope you didn't miss them on the Howard Stern show!
"You're 21 years old, and you're /still/ a virgin!?!" the always classy Howard Stern [this next line, is to be said with a high pitched, english accented voice] "It's none of your business, if I'm a virgin or not!" Jackie "doing" a Spice Girl :)
John McCabe caber1@concentric.net
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