YTSEJAM Digest 2931
Today's Topics:
1) Various (including fire sale)
by Mark Metzger <mmetzger@bostech.com>
2) New Music
by "George Sumschidt" <gsrockr@stratos.net>
3) the new album
by CLARK ABEL <99ABEL@alma.edu>
4) It's not too late to join the prog tape swap
by "The Notorious B.I.G. S.W.I.F.T.Y." <swifty@auburn.net>
5) is "Trial" referencing "Trail"?
by yzzy <yzzy@theonramp.net>
6) Australians
by ~ME~ <breuric@tpgi.com.au>
7) RE: Keyboard question
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
8) Re: Chaos Theory
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
9) Re: Satriani ranking list
by eckie@asu.edu
10) new genesis
by Thrak75@aol.com
11) Liked CaseLiner... Need one for CD's!
by MTeiper@aol.com
12) Psychological Effects of Album Sleeve Design
by RGZ321P@aol.com
13) Re: Satriani ranking list
by BigVic <BigVic@usa.net>
14) KEEP YOUR EYES ON YOUR MAILBOX ....
by rewards@t-1net.com
15) Re: Dream Theater album covers
by john jens <jjens@darkhorse.triad.net>
16) Re: new genesis
by Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
17) Enchant and Magellan
by The Phoenix <rctaylor@students.uiuc.edu>
18) crazy koba's blowaway cd sale- THIS JUST IN
by Thrak75@aol.com
19) Seven Wonders - 8 DT bootlegs (9 discs) on one CD!
by "David Whitaker" <David-Whitaker@worldnet.att.net>
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Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 16:10:35 -0400
From: Mark Metzger <mmetzger@bostech.com>
To: "'(ytsejam)'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Various (including fire sale)
Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=bostech%l=CARRIER-970903201035Z-9785@carrier.btrd.bostontechnology.com>
Wouldn't it be cool if the "cover" on
http://www.hardradio.com is the cover of the new CD ??
I bet that it is. They need the majesty logo on the cover !!
Just like every Playboy cover needs the rabbit-head.......
FIRE SALE BEGINS !!
One extra ticket to the Boston Marillion show.
Wednesday Sept 10th, Somerville Theater.
Original cost > $20. Your price = $12, postpaid !!
What a great country. Order fast, this will sell quickly !!
Later,
Mark Metzger
mmetzger@bostech.com
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Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 16:17:15 -0400
From: "George Sumschidt" <gsrockr@stratos.net>
To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: New Music
Message-ID: <199709032020.NAA18247@odin.ax.com>
Hey group! I went shopping yesterday. (vacations are GREAT!)
I went looking for the new Genesis. Couldn't find it. Something
about the holiday and UPS being suckwads... whatever.
I did buy Steve Hackett's Genesis Revisited. Thanks for the
suggestion, Syrinx. I bought The Tea Party: Transmission
as well. Cool music on that disc. Buy this disc NOW!
Anyhow, back to the original reason I'm writing. I went
looking for the new Genesis without luck. As I'm leaving the
store, I glance over to the letter "S" cd rack and what do I
see? SPOCK'S BEARD!!! Life it good! I bought the import
version of The Light. It has a 5th song. It is a sample portion
of another of their songs. I can't remember which one and the
disc is in the changer in the Neon. I also bought the Official
Bootleg. $13.99 for the bootleg and $19.99 for the import.
I am really starting to enjoy this vacation. Now I have some
more really great driving music, so my planned roadtrips
are going to be LOTSA fun. Till next time, G.
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I'm a drummer. I play the radio real good.
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Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 16:29:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: CLARK ABEL <99ABEL@alma.edu>
To: YTSEJAM@ax.com
Subject: the new album
Message-ID: <01IN7NN8QPO296VW67@alma.edu>
I'm sure you've all gone over this, but I just resubbed, so humor me.
When will college radio stations get the new stuff, and will it be the whole
album or just one of those sampler thingies? Please mail me privately.
Muchos Gracias.
-Clark
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Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 15:33:27 -0500
From: "The Notorious B.I.G. S.W.I.F.T.Y." <swifty@auburn.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: It's not too late to join the prog tape swap
Message-ID: <340DC996.5C34@auburn.net>
Hi, everyone! As the subject header says, it's not too late to get in on
the tape swap. The date that the participants will be notified of their
pairings will be September 23, since nothing special will be happening
that day. Except a mad dash to your favorite record/tape/CD store, of
course :)
If you want to know more about the swap, follow the URL in my sig.
Take care, everyone,
Mark
-- *********************************************************************** * Mark Peters -- swifty@auburn.net -- Auburn University, Class of '99 * * Ytsejammer, tape trader at http://www.auburn.net/~swifty/index.html * * Progressive tape swap - http://www.auburn.net/~swifty/tapeswap.html * * * * "Why must hailstones always be the size of something else? And if * * it must be that way, why don't they have hailstones the size of * * testicles?" - George Carlin * ***********************************************************************------------------------------
Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 12:17:09 -0500 From: yzzy <yzzy@theonramp.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: is "Trial" referencing "Trail"? Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19970903121709.007bc870@mail.theonramp.net>
and then Mike said:
>...other bands like Alan Parsons Project, >Kansas, and Genesis probably did a little >full-album live performing, one would guess.
don't forget Alice Cooper's tour of "Welcome to My Nightmare" somewhere around `76 (if i'm not mistaken). a most awesome concert indeed. ;-) i first saw Kansas when they were touring on their "Song for America" album and it was mixed with their first album (i think... that was a looong time ago and i have fewer brain cells now ;-)
and for those of you that don't know what the "Trail of Tears" is about, check out http://tesuque.cs.sandia.gov/~bbooth/docs/cherokee/CherokeeTrailofTears.html
i don't know if "Trial of Tears" is referencing "Trail of Tears" or not. does anyone that's heard the song know? yzzy //Iz*zee//E*zee//E*ziz*ee//Y*z*z*y//Izzzzz
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Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 06:49:42 +1000 (EST) From: ~ME~ <breuric@tpgi.com.au> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Australians Message-ID: <199709032049.GAA06587@random.tpgi.com.au>
> I have just recently joined the Ytsejam mailing list, and I was >wondering if there were any other Australians who shared my love of Dream >Theater. They are one of the best bands I have ever heard. >_____________________________________________________________________________ > DREAM THEATER, THE WORLD'S GREATEST BAND ___________________________
> | JASON KEILY | > | s342953@student.uq.edu.au | > ---------------------------
Yes , indeed, another Aussie here! How about an Aussie tour mike!?
(Aussie Aussie Aussie OiOiOi! hehe)
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Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 16:55:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com> To: BePe <H.M.Peeters@stud.tue.nl> Subject: RE: Keyboard question Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.91.970903165438.2558B-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
Where do you find all these synths you were talking about? The xm1? Never heard of it. Would love to see it. God, somebody please take my Ts-10 so that I can buy this cool stuff!!!!
Reach Damon Fibraio at damon@shell.monmouth.com keyboardist, vocalist, radio personality Deviant of Reality All of us get lost in the darkness, dreamers learn to steer by the stars All of us do time in the gutter, dreamers turn to look at the cars. Neil Peart of Rush
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Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 14:20:55 -0700 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Chaos Theory Message-ID: <199709032120.OAA14188@gms.gmsnet.com>
> >I really can't believe that ct would get rid of Jeff. IMHO, Jeff was >what set the band apart from other prog metal bands out there. His >vocals were really strong and again, IMHO, made the band. If any of the >band members are reading this, please email me in private and tell me >what posessed you to kick Jeff out.
Well, one problem was, that Jeff was in NY, and the rest of the band was in northern CA, and they wanted to go a heavier route... I haven't heard the new singer yet, so we'll see.
The name Chaos Theory will probably be dropped too, since there are about a dozen bands vying for that name.
-The Doc
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Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 12:36:26 -0700 (MST) From: eckie@asu.edu To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Satriani ranking list Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970903123354.28953A-100000@email1.asu.edu>
> > I would like to know what are the best Satriani's cds......tnx for help... > All of them!!! Well, 'cept for that "blues" album.... He helped prove white guys can't do blues...but boy do we try!
I started off with Extremist, and it's still one of my all time fave albums (right up there with Awake, actually). But Surfing with an Alien and Flying in a Blue Dream are both albums that you can't afford to NOT have!
~Big Bad Eckie
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Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 17:48:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Thrak75@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: new genesis Message-ID: <970903174629_-767995179@emout04.mail.aol.com>
anyone who has the new genesis cd, i'd love to hear your remarks about it, please. are there any more resemblances to "test for echo" besides the album's title? who's got the drum seat on the album? is ray wilson (or is it ex-echolyn's ray weston?) really the next peter gabriel? is it good that phil's gone? please answer those questions, and we will love you.
on the subject of drummers and perfection, i've skimmed through some of the bits and pieces about porntoy's alleged drumming blunders. although i haven't really bothered to pay attention, this all reminds me about another drummer who i really like. if you want to hear "behind the beat" or "mistake-like" playing, will calhoun of living colour made this almost a trademark. this is elaborated more by his former guitar-mate, vernon reid in a magazine article i once read about it. he suggest a little lesson in which you play with a metronome, starting off hitting one note right on the beat (or click, if you like). keep doing it repeatedly, and eventually, just start slowing down or speeding up, so it seems as if you're fucking with the beat. fun stuff.
and my take on whether the porn-master is perfect as a drummer.....jeez, gimme a break. he could do 16th notes on the bass with one toe, and he still wouldn't be perfect. the "perfect" drummer is one who has the chops and tastefulness to play competently in ANY musical genre. mike, as great a PROGRESSIVE ROCK drummer as he is, doesn't fit this bill(if you disagree, try seeing him play elvin jones' licks or imagine him sitting in for p-funk). no one's perfect. there've been some people damn close to it, and this doesn't mean he SUCKS. but perfect? zzzzzzzzz
ytsegoon
****************************************************************************** * david y. kobayashi thrak75@aol.com
"i'm afraid of americans, i'm afraid of the world. i'm afraid i can't help it. i'm afraid i can't." d. bowie ****************************************************************************** *
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Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 18:29:05 -0400 (EDT) From: MTeiper@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Liked CaseLiner... Need one for CD's! Message-ID: <970903182700_974511908@emout13.mail.aol.com>
Hey Folks -
Well, many thanks to a few kind souls out there in Ytse-Land who have helped me out finding the CaseLiner program to make some awesome tape cases! Now, I was wondering if there is a similar beast out there to make CD tray-cards? I have transferred a lot of those crappy digi-packs and cardboard sleeves to plastic CD cases, and I want something to put in the case for track listings and titles on the side... stuff like that. Something like CaseLiner for CD's would be perfect. Can anyone help me out? I'd appreciate any assistance...
Thaingks.... Matt T.
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Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 19:10:02 -0400 (EDT) From: RGZ321P@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Psychological Effects of Album Sleeve Design Message-ID: <970903184748_-31661070@emout14.mail.aol.com>
Psychological Effects of Album Sleeve Design
Hi all,
I read the post about how the album sleeve reflects the sound of the music. I agree. Actually, I would propose that we are psychologically influenced by the album sleeve--and as a result, we perceive the music differently. I know I do...DT's Awake certainly does sound like a darker album. Change of Seasons sounds "sky blue." The copy of When Dream and Day Unite that I own has a man apparently checking his armpit on the front cover. I hate that album for that reason.
My favorite album, (I'm sure to get feedback for this) Def Leppard's Hysteria, has a very complex mutlicolor design on the cover, and as a result, I perceive the music as being mutlicolored and complex (What I love about the record). One of the most disapointing albums I ever bought by a band that I like was Van Halen's For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge--It has a horrible maroon-colored sleeve, sort of like a monochrome snake skin with the VH logo in black. Horrible. As a result the album sounds maroon--thick undynamic bass--the low end sounds like molasses--I hated the sound of that album before I listened to it for the first time.
Does anyone else recognize (or suffer from) this effect? My best friend does. The self titled Metallica (Black) album sounds just like it looks, doesn't it? Doesn't Fate's Warning's APSOG sound just like it looks? I've actually taken the CD book out of some of my CDs and folded it so that a better panel faces out.
I think Van Halen gets the award for worst album covers. F.U.C.K. and Fair Warning are just miserable. The best album covers in my opinion? Def Leppard's Hysteria and King's X's Ear Candy. You can't help but think of that music as sounding as psycodelic as the cover looks.
Does anyone agree with *any* of this? (Or am I insane? I can't be insane--I'm a DT fan!)
Chris (of the band BRIDDITANTADE) RGZ321@aol.com
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Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 17:14:59 -0700 From: BigVic <BigVic@usa.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Satriani ranking list Message-ID: <340DFD83.256B@usa.net>
David Di Tivoli <dream@pronet.it> wrote:
> I would like to know what are the best Satriani's cds......tnx for help...
Man!, it's got to be "Surfin' with the alien" at #1, and the Live Album in #2! ;^)
As matter of fact, I like all the Satch recordings.....
Saludos desde México! -- +-----------------------------------------------+ | Victor "BigVic" Parra | | The Cordon Bleu of Progressive Rock | | bigvic@usa.net | | | | Check out my favorite band...RUSH!! | | @ http://syrinx.umd.edu/rush.html | | | |"-.-- -.-- --.. -.-- -.-- --.. -.-- -.-- --.." | | YYZ by Lee, Lifeson & Peart | +-----------------------------------------------+
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Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 19:30:35 -0500 (CDT) From: john jens <jjens@darkhorse.triad.net> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Dream Theater album covers Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.970903144152.31713C-100000@darkhorse.triad.net>
On Wed, 3 Sep 1997, Raivo Hool wrote:
| Side note: anybody noticed how the overall color tonality of all | Dream Theater album covers reflects the musical tonality of their | respective albums? To me, When Dream And Day Unite has always sounded
compare and contrast the colour, images and irony of the front and back covers of ACOS. there's a lot there, most of it obvious.
1252 ACOS's til FII.
j j e n s @ s h e l l . w e b z o n e . n e t
s h e l l . w e b z o n e . n e t / ~ j j e n s /
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Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 20:41:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org> To: Thrak75@aol.com Subject: Re: new genesis Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.970903200650.29499B-100000@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
> anyone who has the new genesis cd, i'd love to hear your remarks about it, > please. are there any more resemblances to "test for echo" besides the > album's title? who's got the drum seat on the album? is ray wilson (or is it > ex-echolyn's ray weston?) really the next peter gabriel? is it good that > phil's gone? please answer those questions, and we will love you.
the singer's ray wilson, not ray weston. =)
the drums are done by a guy named Nir Z (with Nick from Spock's Beard doing 3 1/2 songs).
No, Ray's not the next Peter Gabriel, although you can hear traces of both Phil and Peter in it. Yes, the album's good. It's amazing. It's not "We Can't Dance" and is isn't "Foxtrot" but it's a healthy balance between. It's one of those albums that you can't stop listening to...and say "how'd they do that?" every time Tony does one of those rad signature changes.
* * * * * * * e-mail: syrinx@dreamt.org / syrinx@mindspring.com erotomania!: http://www.mindspring.com/~syrinx/ offical lemur voice homepage: http://www.mindspring.com/~syrinx/lemur.htm
(c) 1997 Happy Fun Ball, Inc. All Rights Reserved.
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Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 19:46:27 -0500 (CDT) From: The Phoenix <rctaylor@students.uiuc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Enchant and Magellan Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970903193804.15723A-100000@ux9.cso.uiuc.edu>
Sorry for the lack of DTC with the new album almost in our fingertips, but I saw Enchant's album "Wounded" (I think) and Magellan's new album. I would like some input (private e-mail) about these bands (vocals, music, overall heaviness, etc.) before I buy them. Same goes for the Prunella Scales album if any of you have it. Thanks. It's good to be back on the list.
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Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 21:05:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Thrak75@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: crazy koba's blowaway cd sale- THIS JUST IN Message-ID: <970903210414_707310852@emout08.mail.aol.com>
ladies and gentlemen, i've just upped the ante here a little bit with a couple of additions to the list.
$14 a saucerful of pink- a tribute to pink floyd....(2 cd's)
and........since this one's so special.......
highest bidder (entry level $25) tori amos- inside the storm (#46)
yep, i'm getting rid of it. yep, it's an authentic one, hand-marked by mr. bahr himself. again, we'll start at $25 for this one. i'll give you all until midnight sunday (meaning 0:00:00 hours on 9/7) to make your bids if you're interested.
ytsegoon
****************************************************************************** * david y. kobayashi thrak75@aol.com
"better to save the mystery than surrender to the secret." -j. petrucci ****************************************************************************** *
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Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 20:41:27 -0700 From: "David Whitaker" <David-Whitaker@worldnet.att.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Seven Wonders - 8 DT bootlegs (9 discs) on one CD! Message-ID: <19970904014223.AAA13569@hombre>
This post has been shortened for your satisfaction.. =)
[ The gist of the message below ----- Seven Wonders is open for orders! All seven of Mike Bahr's past Dream Theater boots (plus bonus Mind Control) all on one disc digitally replicated in full-CD quality on *one* CD in MP3 format for $22.
[ The CDs ----- Subconscious, Acoustic Dreams, When Dream and Today Unite, Antiquities, Scenes from a Memory, Precious Things, The Darkest of Winters, and, as a bonus, the 2-CD boot, Mind Control.
[ The technical details ----- All tracks were digitally ripped into .wav format. Then they were converted to .mp3 format using a 128000 bitrate (CD-quality). The result? Songs that sound EXACTLY the same as the originals, and a CD that would take you half a day to listen to in its entirety. To listen to it in full CD quality, you'll need a Pentium (or similar moderately-powered computer if you're using something other than an x86 processor).
[ The ordering info ----- Forgive me if I revert to some of Mike Bahr's shipping options. Shipping is free in the Continental USA and Canada. Shipping to Mexico, South America, and the two dangling states is $2.00 for up to 5 discs, $5.00 for more than five. Everywhere else, $5.00 for one or two discs, $8.00 for more than two.
Send me e-mail at David-Whitaker@worldnet.att.net to reserve your order (and so I can begin production on your disc). Then send me snail mail with your name, address, e-mail address, and check or money order ($22 times number of discs) to: Ryan Whitaker - Seven Wonders 2001 S. 9th St. Waco, TX 76706
Seeing as I don't have a website (which will change soon) and I'm dealing on a smaller scale, PLEASE e-mail me if you want an update on your order. The discs will be shipped out the very next day after I get your payment. An e-mail will be sent to you the day it ships to notify you to be expecting it soon. (Note: The printer tells me the liners will be ready at the latest September 10th, so figure that into the estimate)
[ Fine print ----- All sales are final. If your disc is messed up, send it back within a week of receipt and I will ship you a new one along with, at my expense, payment for the stamps you used to ship it to me. If your computer is too slow, etc. then just get a new computer. =)
[ Final comments regarding project independence ----- This project is in NO way being worked in conjunction with Mike Bahr. He HAS given me his blessing for the project (which is *extremely* cool of him, and I would have not gone into production if he was the slightest bit dissatisfied with the project), but that's where it ends. Please don't e-mail him with questions or reservation requests (for this CD)! I don't want to interfere with his business. I will not be re-releasing this MP3 compilation album with the Mosaic album (Mike's current project) included, although there is still plenty of room left for it. That would be plain retarded. I decided to do this with his past 7 boots because they have had time to "settle", whereas Mosaic is just about to be released. Plus I'd have to change the title to "Eight Wonders" and that doesn't jive with the whole Seven Wonders of the World concept. =)
Also, if any of you have a trade in mind for this, please e-mail me and I'll see if I want what you have. For instance, Marcel Berkhout is just now re-releasing his Carpe Diem disc, and he arranged a one-to-one trade for my CD. Works for me. =)
Thank you, D. Ryan Whitaker David-Whitaker@worldnet.att.net (note the hyphen!)
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