YTSEJAM Digest 2932
Today's Topics:
1) eternity x
by "fmaia" <fmaia@alpha200.digiopen.com.br>
2) Just when I thought I had cleared out all my backlogged jams...
by Nicole Stachowicz McWatters <stachowic_n@UHDVX3.DT.UH.EDU>
3) Black Metal CD company/Extreme-Subterranea
by rbeall@fdldotnet.com (Grim88)
4) Take Away My Pain
by Renob125@aol.com
5) Re: Psychological Effects of Album/Satch ranking
by ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
6) Grrrrrrrr...
by Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2923
by "Vojacek Esrteban Oro" <vojacek@cvtci.com.ar>
8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2931
by Nishizaki <rnishi@uol.com.br>
9) Bad idea, good idea, Donuts are questionable, Acronyms suck, SB review.
by "Korg Eksthrey" <KorgX3@cyberhighway.net>
10) Satriani & White Men Can't Thump
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
11) Little Stevie Vai
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
12) re: DT promo discs
by yzzy <yzzy@theonramp.net>
13) Huh?
by "John Hough" <jhough@mindspring.com>
14) Metallica doing a CCR song?
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
15) Re: Huh?
by "Michael G. Jones" <mgjones@Mcs.Net>
16) ASCII stuff
by Francisco Miguel <f.miguel@mail.telepac.pt>
17) Drums, Music and Math
by Francisco Miguel <f.miguel@mail.telepac.pt>
18) Re: Black Metal CD company/Extreme-Subterranea
by Andrew Berry <andrew@aberry.demon.co.uk>
19) Re: Psychological Effects of Album/Satch ranking
by Andrew Berry <andrew@aberry.demon.co.uk>
20) Re: Psychological Effects of Album Sleeve Design
by Andrew Berry <andrew@aberry.demon.co.uk>
21) uncovered
by "Joshua P. Walkowicz" <jpwalkowicz@freh-03.adpc.purdue.edu>
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 23:02:27 -0300
From: "fmaia" <fmaia@alpha200.digiopen.com.br>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: eternity x
Message-ID: <9709040218.AA02341@alpha200.digiopen.com.br>
i was talking with a guy yesterday and he told me that something happened
between the ytsejam and the guys...what happened, since i like their music?
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 21:20:02 -0500 (CDT)
From: Nicole Stachowicz McWatters <stachowic_n@UHDVX3.DT.UH.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Just when I thought I had cleared out all my backlogged jams...
Message-ID: <Pine.PMDF.3.91.970903211908.360737A-100000@DT3.DT.UH.EDU>
..I get another one. Well, I listened to the 3 tracks on
www.hardradio.com. Very cool! I prefer YNM to BMS as the better single,
but that's just me. :)
On the drumming thread (that re-surfaced... ugh!): if you want to learn a
little more about "behind the beat drumming" (and you don't mind looking
at his 80s mane), you may want to check out Gregg Bissonette's video
(circa 1989). He goes into that subject a little. And he's relatively
good at teaching it. Either that or I was madly in love with him in the
early 90s when I started drumming semi-seriously....
Oh, I actually had a reason for posting. I've updated my Web page to
help DT get airplay in the US and Canada. The other day Steve Chew sent
me, like, 500 radio stations, but only 46 of them had Web sites/e-mail
addresses. So my page has been HEAVILY updated. I'm still taking
suggestions, and if anyone can help fill in the gaps, I'd appreciate it.
(jeez, I almost said "I'd be much obliged." Ugh! I've been living in
Texas too long!)
The address is http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Set/5039/radio.html
Thanks to everyone who has helped out! Don't forget -- e-mail early,
e-mail often!
-Nicole/Kirby
Nicole Rene Stachowicz McWatters | The sleep is still in my eyes
Undergrad Professional Writing Major | The dream is still in my head
University of Houston-Downtown | I heave a sigh and ... smile
stachowic_n@uhdvx3.dt.uh.edu | And lie a while in bed.
http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Set/5039 |
Kirby on irc.dreamt.org | "Soliloquy" _2112_ by Rush
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 22:28:36 -0500
From: rbeall@fdldotnet.com (Grim88)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Black Metal CD company/Extreme-Subterranea
Message-ID: <199709040328.WAA09412@fdl.fdldotnet.com>
Has anyone ever ordered from Black Metal: http://www.blackmetal.com/
They are a subdivision of Extreme-Subterranea. I'm wondering cause they have
a cd that i really want, but I dont' want to be taken for a ride.
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 22:38:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: Renob125@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Take Away My Pain
Message-ID: <970903223749_1488858164@emout07.mail.aol.com>
Hey all,
I have no idea what the release schedule is for FII singles, but if DT does
NOT release Take Away My Pain as a single, they are making a BIG
mistake. I just caught a listen of TAMP for the first time and my first
impression was, "They have to get this song on the radio, they HAVE to.
People will listen to this song!!" I dunno who has or hasn't heard this
song, but I'd be interested in others' opinions on this - so e-mail me and
let's discuss.
Oh yeah, YNM disappointed me when I first heard it, but after a few
listens of the MP3 (Thanx Dr. Mosh) it just gets better! I am REALLY
REALLY looking forward to getting this album.
Pauly
"FII is going to kick ass!"
-ME!
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 21:35:34 -0400
From: ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Psychological Effects of Album/Satch ranking
Message-ID: <19970904014054.AAA3480@sni.pananet.com>
> I read the post about how the album sleeve reflects the sound of the
music.
> I agree. Actually, I would propose that we are psychologically
influenced
>
> Does anyone agree with *any* of this? (Or am I insane? I can't be
> insane--I'm a DT fan!)
>
I agree totally with this. Album covers give a visual personality to the
music. When you hear the album, you 'see' the colors of the cover in your
head. Ever notice how when you alisten to a dubbed tape, it's missing a
certain trait.
I've always been intruiged by how Audio and Visual are so combined.
Artwork can definitely have a major effect on the impact of he music.
Perfect example: in the TFE booklet, the artwork on the page for 'Resist'.
It makes the song so much more powerful.
As for Satch....I'd go for 'The Extremist'. It has the best songwriting ,
and the guitar playin is awesome. Flying with a Blue Dream is his most
'show-off'y album... and Surfing With The Alien..well most ppl will tell
you to get this one first. I can't disagree, but i won't agree either:) The
songs are great, but the production is a little sterile. Joe said himself
that for that album they concentrated specifically on the guitar
sounds...and it shows; the rhythm tracks sound pretty lifeless. Extremist
has a very natural (and rockin') feel to it.
I really can't wait for Satch's next album. He's finally doing what he
shou;d've done a long time ago...record with his touring band. This CD is
gonna rock, i just know it:)
surfing with little green men,
Ernie
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 22:43:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Grrrrrrrr...
Message-ID: <199709040243.WAA12056@umbc8.umbc.edu>
I STILL must contend that Mike P. is a little off in that section of ACoS
that I already mentioned. I am a musician. I know what the pattern is.
I understand it. I don't want it to be continuously dismissed as, "Oh, he
just doesn't understand it," or "if that's the way it is, it was
intentional." Sorry to bring it up again.
Steve Z
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 01:04:27 -0100
From: "Vojacek Esrteban Oro" <vojacek@cvtci.com.ar>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2923
Message-ID: <005b60754020497MAIL2@cvtci.com.ar>
> They played the heaviest versions of "Wake Up Dead" and "In My Darkest
> Hour" that I have ever heard/seen last night :)
>
>
> Peace and love, and good happiness stuff, ~Vince
Are you a Steve Vai fanatic?
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 23:47:42 -0300
From: Nishizaki <rnishi@uol.com.br>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2931
Message-ID: <340E214E.792@uol.com.br>
I don=B4t want to receive more mailing list
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 21:07:15 -0600
From: "Korg Eksthrey" <KorgX3@cyberhighway.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Bad idea, good idea, Donuts are questionable, Acronyms suck, SB review.
Message-ID: <199709040313.UAA13177@odin.ax.com>
>"I heard the New Dream Theater Single 'Burning My Soul' on the Radio
>Last Night!!! - GREAT SONG!!!! Could you please play it again and put
>it in regular rotation!"
No 'cuz then they'd definitely realize that you're a groupie. No offense.
;)
Say sumthin like, "Hey, you guys played a cool song last night called
"Burning my Soul" or something. I've never heard of this Dream Theatre
band, but I wanna hear more! That was cool!"
Then ask them to play Beck or something. :)
I ate half a box of donut holes today. Why do they call them donut holes,
though, if they really aren't holes? Holes are just empty space and these
are solid substance. Hrm. I want L.M. Boyd's opinion on this...
>just what the fuck is a TAMP? It sounds like some sort of female
Oh, shit, not another flame war over acronyms. It's Take Away My Pain for
the acronymically challenged. :)
BTW, I got the chance to hear Spock's Beard finally. Pretty good stuff.
The singer's probably the best part of the band. he's the most versatile
person I've heard in a long time. His voice changes personality with the
song, sounding like Sting, or Trent Reznor, or Clint Black, or Weird Al.
heh. It's rather kewl. I sense quite a bit of Floydian influence in their
stuff, but then I hear aot of 90s influence. /me likes. 'nuff said.
KorgX3
KorgX3@cyberhighway.net
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 21:14:32 -0600
From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Satriani & White Men Can't Thump
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970903211430.008303a0@postoffice.syspac.com>
The Eckmeister wrote:
>> I would like to know what are the best Satriani's cds......tnx for help...
>>
>All of them!!! Well, 'cept for that "blues" album....
>He helped prove white guys can't do blues...but boy do we try!
Yeah, just too bad Stevie Ray proved white guys can do the BEST blues :)
Heheh, well, aside from Ralph Macchio ;)~
_MESA/VINNIE_
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
| "Where Ballz 'n Chunk Unite" |
| http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palms/6933 |
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 21:28:39 -0600
From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Little Stevie Vai
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970903212741.00815a70@postoffice.syspac.com>
"Vojacek Esrteban Oro" <vojacek@cvtci.com.ar> wrote:
>> Peace and love, and good happiness stuff, ~Vince
>
>Are you a Steve Vai fanatic?
>
Any competent shredder IS.
In related stuff, anyone got the haps on the new Vai Christmas album? Ho
Ho Hoey II? Satch's new album (I think it's called Crystal Planet or
something)?
~Vai-nnie
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 23:32:16 -0500
From: yzzy <yzzy@theonramp.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: re: DT promo discs
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19970903233216.007c9a30@mail.theonramp.net>
yeah. if i cud get a promo disk, i'd take it down to the local station
and i'm sure that it wud get some air time here. the guyz at Zebra 97.9
are pretty kewl -- they're just not as informed. ;-)
yzzy //Iz*zee//E*zee//E*ziz*ee//Y*z*z*y//Izzzzz
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 23:30:58 -0700
From: "John Hough" <jhough@mindspring.com>
To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Huh?
Message-ID: <199709040640.CAA12730@brickbat9.mindspring.com>
>1252 ACOS's til FII.
>
> j j e n s @ s h e l l . w e b z o n e . n e t
That would mean that the album will be released in the year 2310!
John Hough
jhough@mindspring.com
http://www.mindspring.com/~jhough
GO PADRES!!!!!!!
Tony Gwynn .400 watch ------ 8/19/97 ----- .379
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 00:03:03 -0600
From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Metallica doing a CCR song?
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970904000302.0082cbe0@postoffice.syspac.com>
Found this rumor on someone's website. Thought some of you might get a
kick outta this. I think it'd rule.
~Vai-nnie ;)~
>RUN THROUGH THE JUNGLE -Metallica
> does CCR
>
> MTV and various sources report Metallica
> doing Run Through The Jungle, a Creedance
> Clearwater Revival song on an upcoming
> tribute to CCR. This will be a 36 song double
> CD for the price of a single CD with benefits
> going to pediatric AIDS charities. The project
> is being formed by Jeff Fogerty, son of
> deceased CCR-er Tom, who relayed this info
> in a Internet CCR mailing list. Fogerty also
> cautioned that the porject is early in the
> formative stages, there is no record company
> in place yet, and it would be a Spring '98
> release.
>
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 02:13:56 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Michael G. Jones" <mgjones@Mcs.Net>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Huh?
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.3.95.970904021156.7558B-100000@Mercury.mcs.net>
That would be 1252 ACOS listens, not actual seasons.
-- Mike Jones ________ mgjones@mcs.net ________ http://www.biggorilla.com "Find all you need in your mind, if you take the time" - Dream TheaterOn Wed, 3 Sep 1997, John Hough wrote:
> > > >1252 ACOS's til FII. > > > > j j e n s @ s h e l l . w e b z o n e . n e t > > That would mean that the album will be released in the year 2310! > > > John Hough > jhough@mindspring.com
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 11:13:10 +0200 From: Francisco Miguel <f.miguel@mail.telepac.pt> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: ASCII stuff Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970904091310.0066b120@mail.telepac.pt>
>Any other cool parts you'd like to arrange for us on >ASCII sheet music?
Yeaaahh!! What about that drum part in PMU's intro (during the distorted guitar), where Porntoy :) seems to go crazy fter a while?
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 11:13:17 +0200 From: Francisco Miguel <f.miguel@mail.telepac.pt> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Drums, Music and Math Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970904091317.0066abec@mail.telepac.pt>
>Notice that 4- 6/8 measures would fit into the 3- 4/4 measures as written >above.
This is only true if the 'number of quarter notes per minute' is the same in both pieces. If the 'number of BEATS per minute' was the same, then 2- 6/8 measures would fit in 1- 4/4 measure. VVVVVVVVVVVVVVV VVVVVVVVVVVVVV total of 2+2=4 beats total of 4 beats
...I think...
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 10:15:13 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Berry <andrew@aberry.demon.co.uk> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Black Metal CD company/Extreme-Subterranea Message-ID: <Marcel-1.26-0904091513-bc8evuQ@aberry.demon.co.uk>
In <URL:news:local.ytsejam> on Thu 04 Sep, Grim88 wrote: > > Has anyone ever ordered from Black Metal: http://www.blackmetal.com/ > > They are a subdivision of Extreme-Subterranea. I'm wondering cause > they have a cd that i really want, but I dont' want to be taken for a > ride.
Their service was mentioned very recently in one the newsgroups, but I can't remember whether the verdict was good or bad - I have a feeling it was good, but don't take my word for it. You could Check DejaNews and see if you can find the post.
-- +--Andrew Berry (webmaster, Metal Links) ----------------------------------+ | 4700 links to metal pages - http://www.aberry.demon.co.uk/metallinks/ | +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | "Words cannot explain darkest thoughts within the mind, | | Centuries of hatred now subside, commencing the birth of new life. | +--Rise from the wreckage of the past."--------------- Bolt Thrower -------+
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 10:32:42 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Berry <andrew@aberry.demon.co.uk> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Psychological Effects of Album/Satch ranking Message-ID: <Marcel-1.26-0904093242-06cevuQ@aberry.demon.co.uk>
In <URL:news:local.ytsejam> on Thu 04 Sep, Ernesto Schnack wrote: > > I agree totally with this. Album covers give a visual personality to > the music. When you hear the album, you 'see' the colors of the cover > in your head. Ever notice how when you alisten to a dubbed tape, it's > missing a certain trait.
Despite what I said in my last post I agree with this. It's one of the reasons I like to have albums on CD; apart from the obvious improvment in sound quality it's good to have the full artwork, lyrics, etc, etc.
Another example I've just thought of is Paradise Lost's "Icon" and "Draconian Times". The artwork for these albums is excellent, and again it seems to go perfectly with the music.
Cheers, -- +--Andrew Berry (webmaster, Metal Links) ----------------------------------+ | 4700 links to metal pages - http://www.aberry.demon.co.uk/metallinks/ | +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | "From the mentally blind come ideas that are poison, | | Take away the power, a shallow person you will find." | +----------------------------------------------------- Death --------------+
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 10:30:22 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Berry <andrew@aberry.demon.co.uk> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Psychological Effects of Album Sleeve Design Message-ID: <Marcel-1.26-0904093022-313evuQ@aberry.demon.co.uk>
In <URL:news:local.ytsejam> on Thu 04 Sep, RGZ321P@aol.com wrote: > > I read the post about how the album sleeve reflects the sound of the > music. I agree.
I'd never really thought about it before, but it would seem to be true in a lot of cases.
> Actually, I would propose that we are psychologically influenced by > the album sleeve--and as a result, we perceive the music differently.
This might be true to a certain extent, but in a few cases I've had copies of albums for some time without seeing the cover, and my perceptions of those albums haven't changed much when I finally got round to buying the CD.
> I know I do...DT's Awake certainly does sound like a darker album. > Change of Seasons sounds "sky blue."
Agreed.
> The copy of When Dream and Day Unite that I own has a man apparently > checking his armpit on the front cover. I hate that album for that > reason.
I really like the album but hate the cover. :-)
> My favorite album, (I'm sure to get feedback for this) Def Leppard's > Hysteria,
Excellent album.
> has a very complex mutlicolor design on the cover, and as a result, I > perceive the music as being mutlicolored and complex (What I love > about the record).
Agreed, again.
> Does anyone else recognize (or suffer from) this effect?
Not in all cases, but I recognise what you're describing. The cover of Fear Factory's "Demanufacture" looks metallic and mechanical, as is the music. Carcass's "Heartwork" is a very clear, crisp picture (reflecting the crispness of the music on that album), but at the same time the picture has a very limited range of colours which goes with the limited range of emotions in the music. I could go on...
> Does anyone agree with *any* of this? (Or am I insane? I can't be > insane--I'm a DT fan!)
I agree, but I think that in most cases the album artwork is chosen to reflect the style or mood of the music. I can't think that I have a particular favourite album cover, but then I don't have a favourite album. :-)
Cheers, -- +--Andrew Berry (webmaster, Metal Links) ----------------------------------+ | 4700 links to metal pages - http://www.aberry.demon.co.uk/metallinks/ | +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | "Present is the time including all times, | | Each second is eternity as eternity is now, and now is forever." | +----------------------------------------------------- Samael -------------+
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 07:41:11 EST From: "Joshua P. Walkowicz" <jpwalkowicz@freh-03.adpc.purdue.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: uncovered Message-ID: <21CB4B073F1@freh-03.adpc.purdue.edu>
I was hoping to get some opinions on the "Uncovered" cd. A local store has it, and it sounds like it would be good, however, they want 60 bucks for it. Does anybody think that it is worth that much, or are all the highlights already on ACOS?
Thanks, Josh jpwalkowicz@pfrem.purdue.edu
------------------------------
End of YTSEJAM Digest 2932 **************************
This archive was generated by hypermail 2b30 : Thu Apr 01 2004 - 17:59:49 EST