YTSEJAM Digest 2935
Today's Topics:
1) Re: new genesis
by Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@KR.FH-Niederrhein.DE>
2) ytsemilitia!!
by Jason Nixon <dumont@net-link.net>
3) STOP
by RGabr69143@aol.com
4) Damon...your thoughts on the album covers?
by Eric John Marlett <gt7262a@prism.gatech.edu>
5) This is stupid but funny!
by Jeremy Kube <jkube@cyberportal.net>
6) a new bootleg discography, eckie's rant, CCR, ytsejam football
by bforst@busprod.com (Bruce Forst)
7) 311... Holy shit..it's prog!
by Jeremy Kube <jkube@cyberportal.net>
8) New genesis drummer
by Shai Yallin <Yallin@Netvision.net.il>
9) Album covers
by Shai Yallin <Yallin@Netvision.net.il>
10) Anybody heard of the Flower Kings? / ACOS Project update
by "Vaughn, Brandon" <VAUGHNB@CHIPOLA.CC.FL.US>
11) Music for Music's sake?
by Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
12) FII
by "woot" <woot@crypted.com>
13) CD duplicators
by Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
14) Johnny Lang
by "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
15) Re: Johnny Lang
by Alexandre Lymberopoulos <lymber@ime.usp.br>
16) Spock's beard
by David Di Tivoli <dream@pronet.it>
17) Watchtower
by David Di Tivoli <dream@pronet.it>
18) Mayadome
by David Di Tivoli <dream@pronet.it>
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Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 21:31:34 -0700
From: Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@KR.FH-Niederrhein.DE>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: new genesis
Message-ID: <340F8B25.5F7D@kr.fh-niederrhein.de>
Hi
"Calling All Stations" (the new album from Genesis) is really good.
It's against confirmity and that's the reason I like it so much.
Something between the old albums in the 70's and those in the 80's /90's.
Before Genesis, Ray Wilson was in band called Stilskin.
They had big hit with "Inside", a song made for a Levis commercial in 1995.
His voice is really good. I saw a report on a German chanel when he sang
the first part of "Supper's Ready". It was really great.
Btw, has someone allready heard Yngwie Malmsteen's new album "Facing The
Animal" ?
Please tell me your opinion about it.
Calling All Stations
Can Anybody Tell Me
Tell Me Exactly Where I Am
By Genesis
Arash
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Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 16:15:45 -0400
From: Jason Nixon <dumont@net-link.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: ytsemilitia!!
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970904201545.006e8590@serv01.net-link.net>
Jammerz,
So what are we gonna do about the sick record companies and radio
stations... THE YTSEMILITIA!!! We will stand together and boycott these
corporate slimeballs as a "cyber-army" and request the hell out of the New
DT. If these stations and labels dont listen we WILL mail bomb and do
whatever means necessary to make our voice heard...
Being a ytsemilitia member also involves meeting at #ytsemilitia on
irc.dreamt.org, port 2112 and going on other chat servers to preach the word
and mess up!!!
current example: irc.hansonline.com port 6667 room #hanson
Have fun with that one jammerz... and mail me at dumont@net-link.net or meet
me as jason at #ytsejam or #ytsemilitia to join the ranks of the few, the
proud, the ytsemilitia!
Jason (aka nixonburg)
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Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 16:17:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: RGabr69143@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: STOP
Message-ID: <970904161549_624093715@emout03.mail.aol.com>
Please stop sending digests.
Thanks.
RGabr69143@aol.com
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Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 16:25:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: Eric John Marlett <gt7262a@prism.gatech.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Damon...your thoughts on the album covers?
Message-ID: <199709042025.QAA28625@acmex.gatech.edu>
> I read the post about how the album sleeve reflects the sound of the
> music. I agree. Actually, I would propose that we are psychologically
> influenced by the album sleeve--and as a result, we perceive the music
> differently. I know I do...DT's Awake certainly does sound like a darker
> album. Change of Seasons sounds "sky blue." The copy of When Dream and
> Day Unite that I own has a man apparently checking his armpit on the
> front cover. I hate that album for that reason.
I would really be interested in hearing the viewpoint of someone who isn't
influenced by the color of the liner notes. Does the music still have
those connotations? Damon, I *am* thinking of the right guy, right?
Anyway, I do think the artwork "colors" the music, but while for it adds a
certain flavor, it is not so noticeable or salient that I like or dislike
the music because of it. I'm not trying to say it doesn't affect me, it
does, but I've never hated an album because I didn't like the cover. The
cover is a part of my reaction to an album, but it is such a small part
that it doesn't really bother me. Anyway, just my thoughts.
Eric
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Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 16:29:14 -0400
From: Jeremy Kube <jkube@cyberportal.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: This is stupid but funny!
Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19970904162914.007a8430@cyberport.cyberportal.net>
Yeah, just too bad Stevie Ray proved white guys can do the BEST blues :)
> Heheh, well, aside from Ralph Macchio ;)~
Ralph Macchio graduated from the same high school as my mom, the same high
school that Billy Joel also graduated from... You'd think that my mother
would be cool graduating from the same high school as a couple of
celebrities...what the fuck happened?? : )
As for Stevie, He definately rocks the house hard! He is the man! He
ranks up there with George Thouroghgood! Not! SRV was the man, it's too
bad that he had to be taken so tragically.
Later, J
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Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 15:36:20 -0500
From: bforst@busprod.com (Bruce Forst)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: a new bootleg discography, eckie's rant, CCR, ytsejam football
Message-ID: <19970904203619645.AAA100@bforst.busprod.com>
I know there are some people on here who think that bootlegs are the work of
devil but i personlly think they serve some purpose to a segment of the
population.. like me for instance. And so I am a bit bemused and dismayed
that the DT boot discography is something like two years out of date the
last time I looked for it. I think that its an information source like
anything else, useful for some people. This list prides itself on being
educated about things.. and educating others so I would like to see somebody
like Rogerio, who takes an active interests in bootlegs take ahold of the
reins of the boot discography and give it a revamping.. maybe save a few
people the trouble of having to continuously post to the jam in an attempt
to find out whether they should buy a certain bootleg that's shown up at a
local store or not.
.about what eckie said, amen brother Eckie!! Sometimes I just cant believe
how people can be so blind..
CCR, is credance clearwater revival.. a country rock band that played such
classic rock favorites as "born on the bayou" and "run to <through?> the
jungle". They ARE NOT METAL, they're not even hardly an electric band. I
believe they even once played on a TV show with a washboard, a jug and
something like a one string bass made of a pail and a piece of wood. I think
this was a joke but it gives you some idea of the nature of the band. That
metallica would cover a CCR tune is hilariously funny to me.. I personally
think a metallica rendition of "heard it through the grapevine" would be
amusing to say the least.
The football thing... umm.. that's a weekly update from Jeremy that'll we'll
be seeing? In which case I would be happy to volunteer a portion of my web
space and meager design talents to host the updates instead of having them
posted to the jam. So if somebody from the YFFL would be willing to prepare
the updates, stats, highlight reel etc.. I will provide the space and some
suitable graphics.. look over my site and get back to me www.busprod.com/bforst/
got ANGRA's "holy land" the other day, help me.. I cant stop listening to
it!!! Hopefully it'll be DT to the rescue :)
bruce (look for me on the ytsejam "most infrequent poster list"!)
hi satu!
bforst@busprod.com
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Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 16:37:43 -0400
From: Jeremy Kube <jkube@cyberportal.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: 311... Holy shit..it's prog!
Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19970904163743.007aa740@cyberport.cyberportal.net>
First, before I get flammed for liking a "new wave" group, I wanted to
explain why I like 311. 311 is a band that has taken rap (a style of music
that really sucks) and made it cool. The band is very tight and the
background music isn't cheezy, it's cool. I have 3 of their albums, Music,
self titled and the new one Transistor.
I picked up Transistor this past week at Record Town (I didn't have to
pay $17 for the CD either!) Anyway, the album is very prog! This album
isn't "typical" 311. There is a lot of songs where there isn't any rap at
all, just mellow singing and funky guitar riffs, not to mention the drummer
kicks!
So, I'm not saying rap is cool or anything, but what I am saying is that
rap is cool when done by 311, especially because the band is progressive.
Try it out, I think that you will be pleasantly surprised.
Later, J
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Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 23:16:27 +0300
From: Shai Yallin <Yallin@Netvision.net.il>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: New genesis drummer
Message-ID: <340F171B.73F0@Netvision.net.il>
Well, in matter of fact, the new drummer for genesis is called
Nir Zidkyahoo or something like that..... He's from Israel!!!!
Don't know how he writes it.
--
Shai Yallin - Kurush on #YTSEJAM
"mmmbop, da da doobop yeaaaaah..." - Hanson
"The chances of a secret to come out is the
sum of square of the number of people who know it" -
no idea who said it, but it's damn cool.
(translation may be lame - I know it in correctly hebrew...."
Visit my home page at
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palladium/3247
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Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 23:33:56 +0300
From: Shai Yallin <Yallin@Netvision.net.il>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Album covers
Message-ID: <340F1B34.36B6@Netvision.net.il>
hi!
Well, another very good example of the above subject
is SG's Carved In Stone - The album sounds very soft and
mystical, while the cover is also mystical and soft.
When I think about it, a main color of blue would fit better
over there (instead of that red-orange)
--
Shai Yallin - Kurush on #YTSEJAM
"mmmbop, da da doobop yeaaaaah..." - Hanson
"The chances of a secret to come out is the
sum of square of the number of people who know it" -
no idea who said it, but it's damn cool.
(translation may be lame - I know it in correctly hebrew...."
Visit my home page at
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palladium/3247
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Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 16:03:25 -0500
From: "Vaughn, Brandon" <VAUGHNB@CHIPOLA.CC.FL.US>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Anybody heard of the Flower Kings? / ACOS Project update
Message-ID: <41303F74D60DD111B56500609778A79C50C7@chipola.cc.fl.us>
I was browsing the web the other day, and finding so many links I never
knew existed about prog music. I ran across a site that mentioned that
their album of the year (1996) was Retropolis by Flower Kings. I went
to their web site, and they have some pretty interesting music. They
just released a 2-CD set (Stardust We Are) with lots of 8--25 minute
songs on it. (Something I really wish DT would do one day--if they
weren't going for a commercial success this time, FII should have been a
double-album). You can find their web page at
http://www.users.wineasy.se/flowerkings/
Anyway, I was wondering if anyone had heard this group or have any CDs
to comment about.
By the way, has anyone ordered CDs from Spock's Beard (Radiant Records)
or Magna Carta? I placed an order with them what seems like ages ago,
and I'm still waiting. I would appreciate any comments from anyone who
has ordered with either of these.
The ACOS Project is still trucking along (need a couple of hours left to
do some minor correcting, and then update the files on the web page).
Brandon Vaughn
vaughn_b@popmail.firn.edu
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Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 21:09:21 +0000
From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Music for Music's sake?
Message-ID: <340F2381.7A79@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
As Eckie wrote, flames shot out of his nostrils (mercilessly scorching
several record company executives) and thus formed:
> There's an obvious battle going on here in the States between the
> increasingly oblivious and ignorant pop culture and the preservation of
> the arts and all that is beautiful and creative.
With the business machine fleecing both sides, I'm sure. It is
unfortunate that it's gotten to the point where maintaining the
intregity of and respect for the art form is not only secondary to the
bottom line, but it also has become a goal to optimize the piss out of
it.
And with that comes all the symbiotic lower life forms willing to
do/say/perform anything to make a buck. I just refuse to buy into it,
man! It's enough for me to know what really matters. Those who can, do.
Those who can't, sell :)
I honestly do believe, though, that things are starting to make a turn
for the better. The thing that baffles me is stuff like what I see on
WAAF (one of the local Boston area radio stations) has on their current
playlist: Metallica, Megadeth, Pantera, Tool, Helmet, Rage Against The
Machine, Drain STH and Faith No More.
I'd expect to see Dream Theater right in there, wouldn't you? It's not
like there's this hatred of the heavier sounds. Are they saving the best
for last? :) Have UFOs actually landed and affected all forms of reason?
What's the fucking problem? Talk to me, goose, talk to me!
> Unfortunately the only celebrity artist I've seen stand up and criticize
> this incredible problem in recent years (on a major media broadcast) was
> Richard Dreyfus back a couple years on one of these fluff-ridden music
> awards programs. Funny how I haven't seen him appear on any more awards
Maybe, in their infinite lack of wisdom, they (the infamous 'they')
associated heavy metal with being the root cause of his cocaine
addiction :)
> It's a simple matter of supply and demand.
[...]
> because they continue to beat the "alternative" horse beyond death and
> shove it down our throats because that's what they've deemed popular.
and apparently, it's what's more in demand these days.
> I know I shouldn't dwindel on these kind of things, but so much
> of it could EASILY be changed if people opened up thier minds!
It's something anyone who has respect for an art form (in this case)
goes through, sooner or later. I think it's a matter of who one
surrounds ONESELF with. We sometimes "hear of someone being referred to
as a "cultured person."
I just happened to have turned on the set last night and caught "Leaving
Las Vegas" for the first time. Cage's performance so totally blew me
away compared to Moonstruck or, say, Raising Arizona (both of which he
was great in). And Harry Connick, Jr.??? nuff said...
Does that make me cultered? Not quite. Does that make me a Yoghurt
culture? Perhaps... but Harry Jr. is one great composer/musician, and
Nick seems to be getting better and better all the time. Yeah, OK,
Elizabeth Shue makes Sharon Stone look like Phyliss Diller, but I
digress :)
My point was that there does seem to be excellence out there in the
arts. Maybe not enough, but it does and will survive. Look at the
fuckers now who want to do away with the federal funding for the NEA?
Sociological change has and probably always will lag behind things like
industrial, technological and economic change.
/me belches :)
Oh well, think I'll go buy the new DT disc...
Jon
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Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 15:25:04 -0600
From: "woot" <woot@crypted.com>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: FII
Message-ID: <199709042127.PAA13968@mailmx.micron.net>
well It turns out that the MP3 of YNM was the whole version, unless the
metal sampler is still the edit.
BMS is way too repetitive, but I like the new harmonies in the chorus.
PS is either a blatant rip-off of bleeding me or an amazing coincidence.
You can sing the part on bleeding me while listening to PS and it fits
perfectly (maybe even better).
What's up with the wah pedal? He's just using that thing more and more now.
(not that it's a bad thing) maybe they'll have to start hiding it from him
like they had to with Hammet.
woot
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Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 17:47:38 -0400
From: Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
To: 80s-metal@pacific-pages.com, ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: CD duplicators
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970904174738.009b4cf0@sol.eng.fore.com>
I'm looking to have a CD of my old band pressed in quantity. Can anyone
recommend any CD pressing facilities, that can run an order between
500-1000. I haven't decided if I want jewel cases and liners included, so
at this point, it doesn't matter. I just need some contacts, and I'll get
quotes accordingly. Note: this will not be CDr, I'm looking for a
professional pressing, which looks like your typical silver CD.
Also, after I get the CD pressed, I'll be trying to market it here on the
internet. I'll also be looking for independent distributors to sell them.
I will probably be able to dish them off to distributors for about $4 a
piece, but I'll have to figure that out after I calculate my costs. If you
are a distributor, or know one, your help would be greatly appreciated.
The band is called Child of Fire, and the music is metal in vein of 80's
Iron Maiden, Queensryche, and Dokken - although we don't sound identical to
any of these bands.
I'm looking for distributors to market primarily at record shows, overseas,
and on the internet - although I will also be marketing our product on the
internet.
Thanks in advance for any help, and I'll be posting again after I get the
CD pressed, which will be several months away.
KAI
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Date: Thu, 4 Sep 97 16:50:07 -0500
From: "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Johnny Lang
Message-ID: <340f2d0f6eb2012@mhub1.tc.umn.edu>
> Yeah, just add Jonny Lang and Kenny Wayne Shepherd. They have 16
> and 20 years old respectivelly, and their sound rules!!!
Shepherd is cool, but Lang is just a blues version of Hanson. He's nothing but a
cheap imitator who gets publicity because of his age. He comes from around here,
so I've been hearing about him and hearing his boring music for a couple years
now.
-Brian
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Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 19:30:49 -0300 (EST)
From: Alexandre Lymberopoulos <lymber@ime.usp.br>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Johnny Lang
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95q.970904192015.8446A-100000@jaca>
On Thu, 4 Sep 1997, Brian Hayden wrote:
> Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 15:06:35 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Brian Hayden <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
> Reply-To: ytsejam@ax.com
> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
> Subject: Johnny Lang
>
>
> > Yeah, just add Jonny Lang and Kenny Wayne Shepherd. They have 16
> > and 20 years old respectivelly, and their sound rules!!!
>
> Shepherd is cool, but Lang is just a blues version of Hanson. He's nothing but a
> cheap imitator who gets publicity because of his age. He comes from around here,
> so I've been hearing about him and hearing his boring music for a couple years
> now.
What is the problem with Hanson? You could say they are a product
of midia, commercial sound, etc. Hell on it!!! When I hear their songs I
feel happy, they put me up. I don't even care for how they are classified
by you, I like them and just it. Such as johnny Lang, a blues guy by
definition. It has all the qualities to make his music sound bluesy,
except the fact he isn't black for some guy here... :-D Can't you see
quality or felling on other kind of music not progressive or progressive
metal?
> -Brian
Alexandre.
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Alexandre Lymberopoulos - lymber@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~lymber
Undergraduate Mathematics Student - University of Sao Paulo - Brazil
Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~lymber/bootleg.html
"We are so human, we are so small" - Peter Garret - Midnight Oil
"I'm your dream, make you real / I'm your eyes when you must steal
I'm your pain when you can't feel / sad but true" - James Hetfield
- Metallica
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Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 00:41:51 +0200
From: David Di Tivoli <dream@pronet.it>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Spock's beard
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970905004151.00873880@pronet.it>
Could anyone tell me something about this band???It is good?
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Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 00:42:29 +0200
From: David Di Tivoli <dream@pronet.it>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Watchtower
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970905004229.00878820@pronet.it>
Does anyone knows Watchtower?
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Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 00:43:10 +0200
From: David Di Tivoli <dream@pronet.it>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Mayadome
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970905004310.0087a100@pronet.it>
I have seen post about Mayadome...but is this band a good band?
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