YTSEJAM Digest 2936
Today's Topics:
1) Theater of dreams
by David Di Tivoli <dream@pronet.it>
2) Re: 311... Holy shit..it's prog!
by Brandon Elhai <belhai@drew.edu>
3) the beauty of Hanson
by Brandon Elhai <belhai@drew.edu>
4) Real Audio Problems!
by Jason Keily <s342953@student.uq.edu.au>
5) looking for an analog synth guru
by Chipples <chips@eden.com>
6) E-mail snags
by durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
7) DT Bootleg discography
by durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
8) Majesty songs
by Chipples <chips@eden.com>
9) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2935
by "Adam Cook" <acook@tiac.net>
10) Re: Watchtower
by "Michael G. Jones" <mgjones@Mcs.Net>
11) Eckie's rant, followed by my own:)
by ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
12) Re: Majesty songs
by ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
13) genesis drum chair
by Thrak75@aol.com
14) Money and Stuff, Mathematics, Radio Stations
by Jay Omega <jw@winternet.com>
15) Re: Keyboards and Eckie's Rant :)
by 015691b@dragon.acadiau.ca (Rick Barkhouse)
16) Re: Watchtower;MTV;cheese twip
by "Younis Hilal" <yhilal@lightspeed.net>
17) Detroit Area Ytsejammers!
by "John R. Kotzian" <koggie@cyberspace.org>
18) emty v awards
by "Carlos Andrés Alfaro" <calfaro@caribe.net>
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Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 00:43:59 +0200
From: David Di Tivoli <dream@pronet.it>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Theater of dreams
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970905004359.008741b0@pronet.it>
This a DT cover band...does anyone knows something about them?
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Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 19:16:24 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brandon Elhai <belhai@drew.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: 311... Holy shit..it's prog!
Message-ID: <Pine.PMDF.3.95.970904191409.601918151A-100000@drew.edu>
On Thu, 4 Sep 1997, Jeremy Kube wrote:
> First, before I get flammed for liking a "new wave" group, I wanted to
> explain why I like 311. 311 is a band that has taken rap (a style of music
> that really sucks) and made it cool. The band is very tight and the
> background music isn't cheezy, it's cool. I have 3 of their albums, Music,
> self titled and the new one Transistor.
While I don't think I'd buy a 311 album (based on listeneing to their
self-titled one) I do like the songs that have been on the radion.
Especially the new single, "transistor." It starts out heavy and then goes
into this Hawaian type music shit. Pretty cool. I compared it to "the
spirit of radio" first time I heard it.
Brandon
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Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 19:26:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brandon Elhai <belhai@drew.edu>
To: Dream Theater <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: the beauty of Hanson
Message-ID: <Pine.PMDF.3.95.970904192205.601918151A-100000@drew.edu>
Oh man, something hilarious happened tonight at dinner.
For some strange reason, the dining hall here at Drew decided to have a
DJ play (for one day) some tunes for the students while they had their
dinner. Well, most of what was being played was garbage. Anyways, me and
my friend are pretty much done our dinner, just talking when the DJ
decided to play "mmmbop" by Hanson. I swear, everyone in the dining hall
just got up and left.
Brandon
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Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 09:45:31 +1000 (GMT+1000)
From: Jason Keily <s342953@student.uq.edu.au>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Real Audio Problems!
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.95.970905093637.31431A-100000@student.uq.edu.au>
Hi Fellow Jammers,
I visited the hardradio webpage, to try and listen to
DT's new songs Burining my soul, and Peruvian Skies, but my Real player
kept producing an error message of " FILE NOT FOUND USING HTTP ". I
visited the error page at real audio, but this did not help me. Has
anybody else had this problem, or is it just me because I am behind a fire
wall?
Could somebody tell me how to fix this problem, or could somebody E-Mail
me these songs.
Thanks,
Jason (an Australian Jammer)
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Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 19:39:06 -0500
From: Chipples <chips@eden.com>
To: ytseham <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: looking for an analog synth guru
Message-ID: <340F54AA.15D0@eden.com>
Hi there
Are any of you keyboard studs out there authorities on older analog
equipment? I've got a few of them and I have great fun making crazy
sounds with them, but I'm just not sure what some of the knobs do.
Here's what I've got:
Moog Opus III
Moog Taurus Pedal (the original one, not the sequel)
Roland Juno 60
Yamaha CS15
Of these, the Yamaha is definetly the most cryptic, but I feel certain
that all of them have capabilities that I don't know how to use.
I'd really appreciate your assistance - go ahead and respond privately.
Thanks
Chip
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Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 17:48:09 -0700 (MST)
From: durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: E-mail snags
Message-ID: <199709050048.RAA17404@goodnet.com>
I'm posting this on my web page as well. For some reason Goodnet decided
to nuke all my mail yesterday. This includes about 10 to 15 mails I had
received but not yet managed a reply to, and an additional (estimated) 10
that I never even _saw_ before the mail deletion and my next logon. So if
you have mailed me about anything, and never heard back, this would be a
good time to re-mail me. I apologize for the inconvenience.
- Mike Bahr - durnik@goodnet.com - http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik/
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Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 17:52:11 -0700 (MST)
From: durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT Bootleg discography
Message-ID: <199709050052.RAA17736@goodnet.com>
Bruce Forst mentioned in a recent Jam that the boot discog on Mike
Burstin's page was horribly out of date. This is true. I created from
scratch a pretty thorough and current DT boot discog called the Advanced
Dream Theater Bootleg CD Guide, it can be found on my homepage at:
http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik/prism.html
I hope you find it helpful.
- Mike Bahr - durnik@goodnet.com - http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik/
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Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 19:51:21 -0500
From: Chipples <chips@eden.com>
To: ytseham <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Majesty songs
Message-ID: <340F5789.1E7E@eden.com>
You know, I was driving along in my car the other day doing some
thinking (my car has no stereo) and I was remembering a thread a while
back wherein people were discussing their desire for DT to re-record the
old Majesty demos. Ideas were batted back and forth, and the consensus
seemed to be that it was a great idea, but that would never happen.
Then I had this thought: what if we had some kind of Ytse-poll to pick
our favorite song from the demos, then maybe DT would consider indulging
us by working the song up and using it as a possible encore during their
upcoming world tour. I realize that at a lot of shows, the band's time
is limited, and they really just want to play their new material and
highlights from the older albums, but wouldn't it be a treat for the
hardcore fans to hear one of those songs live? Perhaps even a medley of
their favorite parts from a couple of the songs. I don't even have a
copy of the demos anymore, and I'm sure a lot of the people on the jam
have never heard them, but maybe someone could put some samples on a web
page, hell, maybe someone already has.
Does that sound like a good idea to anyone else?
take it easy
chip
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Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 20:58:54 -0400
From: "Adam Cook" <acook@tiac.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2935
Message-ID: <199709050100.VAA02495@zork.tiac.net>
Hey,
>
> PS is either a blatant rip-off of bleeding me or an amazing coincidence.
> You can sing the part on bleeding me while listening to PS and it fits
> perfectly (maybe even better).
It's a coincidence. I think that Peruvian was written before Load came out
anyway. It was one of the first songs on the new tune list. The riff is
slightly different, and the chorus and progressive of PS is 10x that of
Bleeding Me. Also the keyboards bring the song to a dimension that Bleeding
Me can't reach.
> Shepherd is cool, but Lang is just a blues version of Hanson. He's
nothing but a
> cheap imitator who gets publicity because of his age. He comes from
around here,
> so I've been hearing about him and hearing his boring music for a couple
years
> now.
Both of these guys can play. Add Mike Welch to the list of young blues
phenoms, he's 18 and was playing at the House of Blues in Boston when he
was 13 with Dan Akyroyd and the Blues Brothers. But still, none of these
guys would get press if it weren't for their age. Blues phenoms are a dime
a dozen, is it a coincidence? I doubt it.
Adam
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Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 20:15:37 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Michael G. Jones" <mgjones@Mcs.Net>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Watchtower
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.3.95.970904201306.2640F-100000@Mars.mcs.net>
I have an CD I purchased back around the WDADU era. I can't remember the
title, but it's pretty decent stuff. Different... I haven't heard
anything since then from them, didn't even know if they were still around.
-- Mike Jones ________ mgjones@mcs.net ________ http://www.biggorilla.com "Find all you need in your mind, if you take the time" - Dream TheaterOn Thu, 4 Sep 1997, David Di Tivoli wrote:
> > Does anyone knows Watchtower? >
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Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 20:57:15 -0400 From: ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack) To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Eckie's rant, followed by my own:) Message-ID: <19970905010702.AAA8719@sni.pananet.com>
> ***WARNING! WARNING! HUGE LONG RANT!!! ECKIE'S LETTING IT LOOSE!!!*** > > There's an obvious battle going on here in the States between the > increasingly oblivious and ignorant pop culture and the preservation of > the arts and all that is beautiful and creative. I went to a public > elementary school in California that didn't have an art program or a
You go, boy! *snap* *snap*
Well, I already said this once, but im gonna say it again in a not-so-eloquent-way. You feel the same way as our pal Eckie (which i do too)? then quit yer bitchin' and set the example. Yes, DT is a lot more creative than most of the crap out there, but what about the composers? Remember Beethoven? Bach? Mozart? Well, there are guys like that today too. And there not even close to reaching the success that DT has. Ever heard of Steve Reich? Glenn Branca? Phillip Glass? and those are the few that are at least relatively well known. There're a lot more.
The music industry *is* a horrible thing... but right now we have the power to change that, and it's right in front of us: THE INTERNET. Notice how much we've already done for our beloved DT already? Not once, but TWICE??? And that's only about 1000 ppl (and imagine alot less when the ACOS thing was organized) Now imagine all the ppl of the net who feel this way coming together... realize what we can do? It *is* possible. And let's not just do it for DT, but for all those excellent musicians out there struggling to make a buck. Maybe I'm being idealistic, but I'm the type of person who likes to do something about it, rather than whine and bitch.
anybody agree? Ernie
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Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 21:11:36 -0400 From: ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack) To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Majesty songs Message-ID: <19970905011150.AAA8859@sni.pananet.com>
> You know, I was driving along in my car the other day doing some > thinking (my car has no stereo) and I was remembering a thread a while > back wherein people were discussing their desire for DT to re-record the > old Majesty demos. Ideas were batted back and forth, and the consensus > seemed to be that it was a great idea, but that would never happen. > Then I had this thought: what if we had some kind of Ytse-poll to pick
Put yourself in the bands shoes for a moment, and see if it's a good idea. Although a medley would be something to consider, i see it all as something very improbable (improggable, huh-huh). I would only wnat to see DT perform these songs, if they really wanted to, and were really into it.
Ernie
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Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 22:21:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Thrak75@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: genesis drum chair Message-ID: <970904222039_-498811066@emout09.mail.aol.com>
you gotta be kidding me....has the brit pop scene become that much of an influence that mike and tony couldn't find any good english drummers? i can't believe they had to IMPORT their drummer. i mean, it's one thing if it's from the us, but (not to diss the israeli jammer contingent), but you'd have to admit, that israel wouldn't be one of the likely places i'd find to fill a seat that's had phil collins, bill bruford and chester thompson in it.
sheesh, i miss chester.......... i guess he and daryl steurmer (sp.?) ran off with phil, eh?
this should be interesting.
counting the days before atlantic drops genesis and leaves them no choice but to break up or sign on with magna carta (is this the "in" label if you're progressive nowadays?)
ytsegoon
****************************************************************************** * david y. kobayashi the new york law school thrak75@aol.com dkobayashi@nyls.edu
"i bring truth and understanding, i bring wit and wisdom fair- precious gifts beyond compare." -n. peart ****************************************************************************** *
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Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 21:23:23 -0500 (CDT) From: Jay Omega <jw@winternet.com> To: Just Words <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Money and Stuff, Mathematics, Radio Stations Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.970904205635.10145A-100000@tundra.winternet.com>
FII delayed indefinately in the UK? And Marillion's TSE fell to the same fate over here on our side of the pond. Sheesh. Mindless record company execs. (I know, TSE isn't here becuz Red Ant folded. Still, somebody else should've snapped it up. After all, the fans spent $45K to get the boys to tour over here... :)
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OK, I was sitting here typing this, with the radio playing (kinda quietly) in the next room. X-105 in Minneapolis, which is occasionally playing the new DT. They play one of their self-promotional commercials. "We've got the new Tool" <soundbite>. "Metallica" <soundbite>. some other band. soundbite. some more stuff. "And, the new Dream Theater" <soundbite.>
Now, the radio's in the next room, and I can't crank 'er up cuz I'm in an apartment and it's 9:00 PM, and I might have just been hearing what I wanted to hear, but...
W W OOO OOO H H OOO OOO ! W W O O O O H H O O O O ! W W W O O O O HHHHHH O O O O ! W W W W O O O O H H O O O O ! WW WW O O O O H H O O O O W W OOO OOO H H OOO OOO !
..anyway! Actual advertisement! On a _commercial_ station serving 3 million or so people!
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]From: eckie@asu.edu
> (Some algebraic equation when Intelligence aproaches zero, money > approaches infinity....)
"Knowledge Is Power." "Time Is Money." from basic Physics, Power is Work divided by Time, or: K = P, T = M, P = W/T.
substituting and rearranging:
Knowledge = Work / Money. -- the more you know, the more work you do. -- the more you know, the less money you make.
M = W / K. -- money approaches infinity as knowledge approaches zero, regardless of work done--so the more you make, the less you know, and...
W = M x K. -- Work approaches zero as Knowledge approaches zero-- so, the stupid rich do little or no work.
Hardly solid mathematics, but still true. At least in the recording indu$try.
--Jay "wants a mailer with a 'Write an Opera and come back and I'll still be bombing' mode" Omega --NP: X-105, o'course!
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Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 23:50:57 -0300 (ADT) From: 015691b@dragon.acadiau.ca (Rick Barkhouse) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Keyboards and Eckie's Rant :) Message-ID: <199709050250.XAA23336@dragon.acadiau.ca>
>Well, ehm, I bought the XM-1 in the nearest keyboard store. It's really >not that hard to find, at least not over here. I saw the VK-7 there as >well. I don't know about the KORG imitations, though, I've just seen some >bands using it though. Hey, wait a minute, DS uses one as well, doesn't >he?
I'm pretty sure the Korg Hammond Simulator (I think it's the CX3 or something) is LONG out of production, I think they came out around '88 or '89. But the VK-7 has got to be the best I've played, the action is really great.
Oh, and Eckie, you rule :) We should make some long-sleeve t-shirts with ECKIE'S RANT printed on it!
+---------------------------------------------------------------+ | Rick Barkhouse <rbarkhou@atcon.com> | | aka Drusillus on #ytsejam | +---------------------------------------------------------------+ | http://dragon.acadiau.ca/~015691b/ | +---------------------------------------------------------------+
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Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 19:49:55 +0000 From: "Younis Hilal" <yhilal@lightspeed.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Watchtower;MTV;cheese twip Message-ID: <199709050300.UAA29645@lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net>
> From: David Di Tivoli <dream@pronet.it> > Subject: Watchtower > > Does anyone knows Watchtower? Well, I don't know them personally. But I have one of their CDs, and I know a coupla things about 'em. You looking for info or what?
More on the MTV tip: There was a big hubbub a while back about a brand-new TOTALLY exploitable, TOTALLY profitable genre of music that MTV had decided to launch. I think it was called "electronica" or some shit like that. Whatever happened with all that? I thought for sure that MTV had the muscle to be directing traffic in the music business and that this thing was gonna work like a charm.
Who out there wants a cheese twip? Younis Hilal--------------------------yhilal@lightspeed.net
"If it bleeds, we can kill it." --Dutch, "Predator"
"Your Majesty, you are like a stream of bat's piss." "What?" "I merely meant, your Highness, that you shine out like a shaft of light when all around you is dark." --Monty Python
"Long hair, short hair, what the hell's the difference once the head's blown off?" --???
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Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 23:08:35 -0400 (EDT) From: "John R. Kotzian" <koggie@cyberspace.org> To: ytsejam@ax.com (Explore The Boundries) Subject: Detroit Area Ytsejammers! Message-ID: <199709050309.XAA23785@grex.cyberspace.org>
Hey Detroit Area 'Jammers!
On Sunday Sept. 20th, from Noon to 3pm, there will be a Dream Theater Listening Party at the Samm Goody in Laurel Park Place mall in Livonia, MI (Corner of Six Mile and Newburgh).
In conjunction with the local Elektra rep we've aquired some money to fund the event, which means pizza and beverages, Giveaways such as, 4 song samplers, signed posters and other cool stuff (Maybe even the album itself. An We'll be listening top the new Dream Theater Album "Falling Into Infinity".
NO purchase necessary, void where prohibited. Any questions email me at the address below. Thanx, and hope to see you there.
P.S. Look for the half-page add promoting the event in the Metro Times.
-John
-- koggie@cyberspace.org is John R. Kotzian Check out the Elsinore homepage @ http://falcon.ic.net/~lloyd/page17.html
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Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 23:13:55 -0400 From: "Carlos Andrés Alfaro" <calfaro@caribe.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: emty v awards Message-ID: <340F78F3.AC682567@caribe.net>
damn... these get worse and worse every year....
highlights:
sting (even thou he was singing with a rap act) jeje jamiroquai (IMO these guys are talented...for mtv music of course) and having them win video of the year...cuz its a cool vid. jeje..wow..ska has turned into such a trend... any rude jammers out there?
--
Carpe Diem...Seize the Day... http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro mailto:calfaro@caribe.net mailto:progboy@mindless.com Universal Internet Number (ICQ) 1254229
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