YTSEJAM Digest 2945
Today's Topics:
1) FII lyrics
by CLARK ABEL <99ABEL@alma.edu>
2) Enchanting A Good DJ?
by caber1@concentric.net
3) Re: Another year older
by NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@wezl.org>
4) LV and David Di Tivoli
by David Di Tivoli <dream@pronet.it>
5) Unclassified: Royal Hunt
by Graham.Boyle.149036@navy.gov.au
6) Tell me it is not true.
by Richard Warren <rwarren@memphisonline.com>
7) FII
by "woot" <woot@crypted.com>
8) Deteriorating DT lyrics and repetitiveness./ Shadow Gallery
by Jonathan Case <jcase@HESS.METR.uoknor.edu>
9) Let me give my opinion on this...
by Jeremy Kube <jkube@cyberportal.net>
10) Some bands...
by Marcelo Vanzin <vanzin@geocities.com>
11) Unclassified: Eldritch
by Graham.Boyle.149036@navy.gov.au
12) The fact of the matter is... (Small rant included, free of charge)
by "Korg Eksthrey" <KorgX3@cyberhighway.net>
13) Really Burning My Soul
by "alves" <kalves@nutecnet.com.br>
14) Re: Some bands...
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br>
15) Jon's FII RAVE (for the most part)
by Jon Dery <metropolis@net1plus.com>
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Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 19:12:51 -0500 (EST)
From: CLARK ABEL <99ABEL@alma.edu>
To: YTSEJAM@ax.com
Subject: FII lyrics
Message-ID: <01INDEIPNWUQ99DP46@alma.edu>
>Beating your nun
>Controlling my life
>Heed my words
>Will give you more lice
>So I hurt your feelings
>Well, I'm really sorry,
>But I don't give a shit, NO!
Man, do I feel like an ass. Clearly, we are in for some of the best
lyrical work of Dream Theater's career, and here I am bitching about one song.
The passage above moved me, especially the part about beating your nun. We've
all been there, right?
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Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 18:29:00 -0700
From: caber1@concentric.net
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Enchanting A Good DJ?
Message-ID: <341354DC.1D4D@concentric.net>
Hi everyone,
I got Enchant's Wounded & Genesis' Calling All Stations the other day.
Interesting thing happened. The guy at the register(who I've never seen
in the store before) was asking me about Enchant(since they were on
Magna Carta), and I gave a little review of what their other CD, A
Blueprint of the World, sounded like. He then brings up DT! He said that
he had a radio program, and he had just gotten BMS!! He said the station
was on 90.3 or 94.3(I think it's the 94 one, but my friend says that he
said 90). Anyway, I'm guessing it's not too far from Paramus, NJ. So, if
you live within 45 minutes of there check out those freqs, you could
hear BMS!
Okay, what is this!?! What is Ed Platt using? This is the kind of tone I
like. Is he using some sort of Fender bass? Sounds like it, but I'm
might be way off. Anyway, anyone who knows please tell me. I'm on the
hunt for the perfect tone...
Also, how come nobody has never mentioned that this is a heavier album
than ABotW? Very interesting stuff. In a couple of the last songs, I
hear beats to other songs. But I can't put my finger on it! I hate that.
But the album is great overall.
"Republicans, Christians, and Nazis...OH MY!" Big Gay Al
John McCabe
caber1@concentric.net
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Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 20:25:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@wezl.org>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Another year older
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.970907202441.2878A-100000@infinite.wezl.org>
Damn I didn't think I'd been on here all that long...Woohoo I'm gettin'
old! I think I joined in like Nov. or Dec. 93
Happy B-day D-man!!!
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Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 02:23:30 +0200
From: David Di Tivoli <dream@pronet.it>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: LV and David Di Tivoli
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970908022330.00879e20@pronet.it>
> I can't really see the reason for
>calling them a DT clone. To me they are an awesome prog metal band with a
>hell of a CD. Anyone agree/disagree?
I very much agree. LV is not a dt clone at all. Marcel's style is very
unique, and his constant use of harmonics rox my nadz. David Di Tivoli is
the guy that made these accusations, and until he gets a shorter sig and
stops having 5 posts in every jam all of which are 1 line long I think it
would be a good idea if everyone ignores everything he says.
If you ask me I tell you why.......You tell of accusation.....hey return to
earth,is a only a music band,do you want to kill me.
That's my opinion,why i can't speak?
Ah,congratulation for this phrase: "would be a good idea if everyone
ignores everything he says".Good,you are a good man!!!!
If you want to know......I'm a reviewer.
Sorry for the bad english!
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Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 10:33:13 +1000
From: Graham.Boyle.149036@navy.gov.au
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Unclassified: Royal Hunt
Message-ID: <4A25650C.00025597.00@nschq-e-navy.navy.gov.au>
Never heard of them until yesterday, heard some sound bites, they were
pretty impressive, even thought the quality wasn't the best, (wave files).
Their new album 'Pardox' is out on the (kiss of death) label Magna Carta on
September 23rd, guess we'll all be too busy listening to something else for
a while.................
I'll post the URL for the samples of RH tonight from home.
gRaham_
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Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 19:45:01 -0500
From: Richard Warren <rwarren@memphisonline.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Tell me it is not true.
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970907194457.007085a8@memphisonline.com>
Someone please tell me the "Caribbean" piece of shit called "Take Away My
Pain" I just downloaded from www.scream.no is a joke. I can't believe this.
I can't believe JP let this happen to a song that means so much to him.
The version at the Fix shows kills this one. I hope Shirley didn't do this
to the rest of the CD. We will be in trouble.
Richard Warren
rwarren@memphisonline.com
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Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 18:49:41 -0600
From: "woot" <woot@crypted.com>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: FII
Message-ID: <199709080053.SAA24966@mailmx.micron.net>
well I was slightly worried after listening to the 3 hardradio songs, but
now I am perfectly at ease.
New Millenium is prog at its finest, TAMP is a happy song, but I
absolutely love it. The drum beats (are those congos?) in this song kick
very much butt. With this song they just added a new style to the list.
Hell's Kitchen is very spacey, kinda like eve or bombay vindaloo, not
groove driven like ytsejam or erotomania, but still very very very cool.
Also, KJ does some cool stuff. There's a pretty good mix of his I&W
vocals, his Awake vocals, and his FII vocals (kinda like I&W but lower).
All the songs I've heard so far have really cool harmonies too, which is
something DT has been a bit lax on (with notable exceptions of course).
I'm so excited about the album now that I could just poop.
backwards sig Eckie's using is woot~
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Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 20:03:04 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jonathan Case <jcase@HESS.METR.uoknor.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Deteriorating DT lyrics and repetitiveness./ Shadow Gallery
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.90.970907194621.712A-100000@hess>
Well,
It looks like a lot of people agree with me on the quality of DT lyrics
since IAW. Someone mentioned that they miss Kevin Moore's lyrics.
Well, not just him. Petrucci wrote some excellent lyrics on WDADU and
IAW, even some on Awake--> for instance, a mind beside itself.
I find it disappointing when a band or singer has to make everything
rhyme throughout the entire song. It's just not necessary. Maybe every
now and then. It's sorta like poetry. Some great poetry does not have
to rhyme. Anyway, I haven't heard any of the new DT material. That will
wait for me until SEP. 23. I'm just hoping that the ordinary tunes that
the radio will obviously be allowed to play now, will be catchy enough to
keep my attention, and that Portnoy kick some ass on the drums.
Then, I hope the rest of the album progs and rocks incredibly. Then, we
can leave the other tracks to attract some people to REAL prog.
Anyway, just from the sounds of it, I might be tempted to say that Fates
Warning will keep the "#1 album of 1997 award" in my book for now, until
maybe Shadow Gallery's Tyranny comes out.
And speaking of Shadow Gallery, does anyone know any more details about
the new CD? I went to their homepage, but there's no release date yet.
Most importantly to me, I want to make sure that Kevin Soffera is still
their drummer in Tyranny. He is one of the best prog drummers I've
heard and I thought he fit PERFECTLY with SG on "Carved in Stone". I
finally got their self-titled CD recently, and it's very good, but is
missing the added "OOMPH" that Soffera gives them.
All I know about Tyranny is that it's 14 tracks, and that a lot of them
are rocking heavy and should crush most music in existence now!!!!!!
So, any Shadow Gallery experts out there??!!
On a side note:
I think we've all been expecting too much from
Queensryche, also, because they didn't prog much at all on Empire and PL, either.....
I think HitNF is a very good CD.....
Bye for now,
Jon Case
P.S. ---> As it stands now, here's my vote casting for the top new CDs
from 1997 that I've purchased:
1) APSoG --> Fates Warning (of course)
2) G-3 Live --> Steve Vai, Satriani, and Johnson (awesome CD!!)
3) HitNF --> Queensryche
4) Wounded --> Enchant (for some reason, this CD just doesn't quite live
up to A blueprint of the world, at least in my book....)
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Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 21:38:42 -0400
From: Jeremy Kube <jkube@cyberportal.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Let me give my opinion on this...
Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19970907213842.007a9430@cyberport.cyberportal.net>
But I'm concerned by some general comments I've heard
lately that it sounds like the band is intentionally trying to do some songs
that have more commercial viability. Again, I don't know this to be fact, and
I hope it's not true. But to me, it seems practically sinful to even consider
Hey all,
This paragraph makes quite a bit of sense but, I wanted to try to clear
something up. Dream Theater is poor. They are poor because they can't
sell albums:
1. Because their music format isn't popular in a national sense.
2. Because their music is "too complicated" for the average ear.
3. Because hardly anyone has heard of them. I can't say how many times I
have been asked "What do you listen to?" and I have responded by saying
"Dream Theater" and their reply "Dream Theater who??" I always follow it
up with "have you ever heard to song 'Pull me Under'?" Sometimes I get "oh
yeah, I remember that song" or "Nope, I haven't."
Regardless, what I am getting at here is that Dream Theater has a style
of music that is fantastic, but if you haven't noticed, Dream Theater band
members spend the off months either writing for the album that won't come
out, or doing clinics to put food on the table. Just look at Fates
Warning, didn't the other guitarist have to 'take an album off' because he
had to work (at a job other than the music bizz) So APSOG had to go on
without him. It's sad.
I wish Dream Theater luck. Maybe this album will sell more, so they
won't have to work as hard in the off months. Hopefully, this album will
have an appeal to not only us (the talented listeners) but the general
listening public. I know Dream Theater would love to hear their song(s) on
the radio, I know they would love to get a big fat check from East\West. I
know Dream Theater would love to be able to quit doing clinics (unless
they REALLY enjoy doing them)
Know what I mean? ... Later, J
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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 17:36:44 -0300
From: Marcelo Vanzin <vanzin@geocities.com>
To: Freaks R Us <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Some bands...
Message-ID: <33F0C95C.F4757E48@geocities.com>
Hey there jammanoids!
There's almost no DTC around this message, feel free to skip it...
I've been seraching through the net for some new bands to listen, and I
got to the Limb Music site... They have some interesting bands there
(Angra, Time Machine...).
The one that most got my attention there was Eldritch. Not only because
I heard the two .MP3's in Dr. Mosh's site (and IMHO they kick serious
ass), but because the album reviews of their last one (Headquake, if I
remember well) were all talking about how fucking great this album was.
I'm already searching for Seeds of Rage, but could someone who has this
other one tell if it's really that good?
Also, I'm looking for sound samples from some bands before I get
anything from them... If someone could tell where could I find stuff
from: Candlemass, Opeth, the self-titled Shadow Gallery album,
Stratovarius (except Visions)... any other suggestions are welcome. =)
Now for some DTC... I heard (?) the samples at HardRadio, but, man, the
quality is horrible... I could only understand something from "Burning
my Soul", and it seems to rock! =) I had already heard YNM, and liked it
a lot. Now for "Peruvian Skies", the sound was too crappy to hear
something...
Less than a week for the Dt shows, and I still don't know how to get to
the place... cool. =)
-- []'s /**********************************************\ |* Marcelo Vanzin *| |* vanzin@geocities.com *| |* http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/6308/ *| \**********************************************/------------------------------
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 13:05:06 +1000 From: Graham.Boyle.149036@navy.gov.au To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Unclassified: Eldritch Message-ID: <4A25650C.000FD068.00@nschq-e-navy.navy.gov.au>
I got 'Headquake' a little over a month ago, took me a while to get into it. I wouldn't say it's the best thing I have heard all year (that one is still Conception's 'Flow'), but still a very enjoyable album, heavy, melodic and some what progressive. They are not IMO in the same class as Angra yet, IMO they need to find a decent producer (Headquake is self produced) and their keyboard player is average at the very least. I haven't heard 'Seeds Of Rage' so I can't compare it with that. I'd say they are a band with huge potential, but haven't realised that potential just yet.
gRaham_
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Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 20:59:21 -0600 From: "Korg Eksthrey" <KorgX3@cyberhighway.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: The fact of the matter is... (Small rant included, free of charge) Message-ID: <199709080310.UAA29771@odin.ax.com>
>1. Because their music format isn't popular in a national sense. >2. Because their music is "too complicated" for the average ear. >3. Because hardly anyone has heard of them. I can't say how many times I
Agreed. DT needs to make a big shot with this next album. The music forum isn't as sensible or flexible as it was 10 or 20 years ago when bands could live off of a cult following like Rush and Queensryche did for so long. It took years enough for that cult status to grow quickly so that it would expand enough to cover the costs of making the albums and put enough change in the band members' pockets to cover album to album expenses. Time have definitely changed. Unfortunately we live in the "one-hit wonder" era where people only get one shot at hitting the big time. There are soooo many bands flooding the market these days that record co.'s only have to select a small few that will make them money. When those bands don't meet or exceed previous sales with their next album. BOOM! They're out the door. It's sad but true.
DT needs to hit it with this next album, or sadly, I'm afraid their careers will be almost over. Their only other alternative would be to sign with a meek and meager label like Metal Blade or Magna Carta that would offer them little in the way of promotion and sales, and they'd all have to work day jobs between albums. The worse thing is is that if this album makes it big, it will be expected of them to make more cash on their next effort, which will mean appealing to the masses even more, and that's something I'd really hate to see them do. Their curent fan base should be enough to keep them going strong for the next few years, I think, but when they start disappointing their current fans in an attempt to attract a larger fan base, (like Queensryche did). It's pretty rare that they will come out on top (like Metallica did).
<RANT> So I suggest all of you buckle down and accept this next album with a grain of salt. Many of you seem to be quite cavalier about showing your support for DT, but you go on to bitch and moan about their change in sound. My suggestion is, if you don't like it, shut the fuck up or get the fuck out.</RANT> :)
I'm quite looking forward to the new album. I'm quite interested in hearing what Kevin Shirley (who IMO is an excellent producer) has done for them. He knows his job and does it well, and for those of you who bitch I'd like to see what you can do to make DT sound good.
Disclaimer: I have not read any of the actual lyrics from "Falling Into Infinite" and I don't want anyone shouting "hypocrite" because of my last post. It was a joke, and those weren't the real lyrics. So I really have no basis on telling if the lyrics have "deteriorated." Thank you for your support.
/End upset fatherly discussion sequence... KorgX3 KorgX3@cyberhighway.net http://www.cyberhighway.net/~korgx3/Enchant.htm - KorgX3's Enchant Page! Yay!
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Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 23:08:10 -0300 From: "alves" <kalves@nutecnet.com.br> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Really Burning My Soul Message-ID: <199709080333.DAA10853@srv3-sao.sao.nutecnet.com.br>
Hi guys,
Iīve just listed BMS two minutes ago. And Iīm really confused about that...
I miss a more accurate instrumental and the complex tempos, but, at same time, I like the heavy style and the power of the song. I donīt want to judge anything by a single listening. I hated "Awake" at the first listening and now I think itīs the best DT album.
Anyway, I insist, we cannot wait for I&W or Awake songs, for the only reason that time passed away. The important thing is the quality of the music, not if the songs remain or donīt remain the old stuff. I know itīs difficult for us, the fans, but we cannot be such as the narrow-minded we blame here, and to deslike anything itīs different.
Open your mind for the new stuff!!!! And if, after some open-minded lists, you think itīs really a crap, donīt forget what DT had done before. Letīs give them a chance. They deserve!!
Up the irons, jammers!! []īs, Andre Alvarez
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Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 00:38:31 -0300 (EST) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Some bands... Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.970908002904.25531A-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Sun, 7 Sep 1997, Marcelo Vanzin wrote:
> Hey there jammanoids! > > Also, I'm looking for sound samples from some bands before I get > anything from them... If someone could tell where could I find stuff > from: Candlemass, Opeth, the self-titled Shadow Gallery album, > Stratovarius (except Visions)... any other suggestions are welcome. =)
Do you mean clips or the albums? If you only want samples, then go to www.grave.com/mp3/Opeth-Orchid. You'll find the *ENTIRE* album there as a bunch of mp3 files. I guess that I shouldn't have told this to a mailing list, since many of you will bust the site down, but this band really deserves to be heard (I'm talking about Opeth).
One of the best things that I have ever heard. But keep in mind that the stuff is Black Metal and if you don't like screams and really fast double basses (well, maybe not that fast), don't download those tunes. The two smallest files are the most easily listenable from their first album (Orchid).
But their second album (Morningrise) is much, much, much, much better than Awake, IMO (keep in mind that I don't know anything about music theory; so, I'm not impressed by technical soloes -- for me what matters is the melody and lyrics).
Just for your information, my top 6 albums are:
1 - Master of Puppets (of course) 1 - Images and Words (tie) 3 - Morningrise 4 - ...And Justice for All 5 - A Change of Seasons 5 - Ride the Lightning
But if you think that I'm a metalhead, well, in fact, I'm not. I don't like Awake because it's too heavy (Caught in a Web, for instance).
> Now for some DTC... I heard (?) the samples at HardRadio, but, man, the > quality is horrible... I could only understand something from "Burning > my Soul", and it seems to rock! =) I had already heard YNM, and liked it > a lot. Now for "Peruvian Skies", the sound was too crappy to hear > something...
I don't know if you heard today's "Oitenta e Noisy", but they played "Burning my Soul". I think that there's way too much industrial/techno/alternative influences. And I wished the song were softer and longer.
> Less than a week for the Dt shows, and I still don't know how to get to > the place... cool. =)
Well, I'm going to the Friday's show and thinking about going to the Thurday's show (well, you know, I have a problem with time ($$$) :-) ).
[]s, Roger...
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Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 00:10:13 -0400 From: Jon Dery <metropolis@net1plus.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Jon's FII RAVE (for the most part) Message-ID: <34137AA5.428A@net1plus.com>
First off:
"Burning..." was played on Rock 101 tonight. For anyone who heard it, the little kid who requested (on the air) was my little brother (I had him request it 10 minutes after me). Its cool that I got it on tape. It'll make a great souvenier. It must sound about a trillion times better on the radio than on the shitty Real Audio player. Fat City. It is a HEAVY, groovin' song. Yes, to my extreme disbelief, Mr. Kevin Shirley did an incredible (i-n-c-r-e-d-i-b-l-e) job producing this one.
Next: I'm downloading the new ones now.
(About a millennium :-) later)
A New Millennium:
Wow! The intro was King Crimson-like. A remarkable song. A must hear. Very PROGRESSIVE. John P. and Derek do some sick shreddin' at the end. The music from the first verse of CIA9ITG is used in the first half of the first verse on this one. Cool!
Hell's Kitchen:
Hells Yeah! Much Better than at the Fix shows. It's more or less the same, but at the end, the band gets riff crazy (Images and Words unison-like). HEAVY and PROGRESSIVE. This one got me pumped. I can see how it segues into Lines in the Sand because it ends in "D".
Take Away My Pain:
Hmmm... O.K. so I'm a lttle upset now. The song has, like Richard Warren said, been ruined by some latin-style bongos and/or congas. I just don't understand it. The original took a while to grow on me, but after a while, I found it very touching. The only improvements are the guitar solo (pretty shred-like while at the same time emotional) and the new lyrics to the third verse. But the music to the third verse... well... what happened to that beautiful volume swell that J.P. played on the bootleg versions? Out of the six finishhed FII tracks, this is the one that does not go down smoothly. I look at it this way though: I hated Another Day, but loved Images and Words, so I'm letting this one slide.
So far, I really, really love this new disc. They are really pushing the envelope once again on most of these new tunes. There may be some catchy sing-along type songs (which doesn't bother me), but this album, with a few miniscule exceptions (and one major exception), is a JAW-DROPPER!
~-~Jon Dery~-~
P.S. I just listened to TAMP again and it sounded better this time (not perfect though). Maybe I'm just too used to the old version. Hopefully it'll grow on me.
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