YTSEJAM Digest 2943
Today's Topics:
1) Lemur Voice a clone?!
by cmustard@netdot.com (Mark Lampert)
2) DT new CD --> a disappointment? And other ramblings....
by Jonathan Case <jcase@HADLEY.METR.uoknor.edu>
3) Greets/Original Musical Tastes
by "alves" <kalves@nutecnet.com.br>
4) South American News
by "alves" <kalves@nutecnet.com.br>
5) Theshold / Music @ Di's Funeral
by "Charles Farrell" <charlie_farrell@classic.msn.com>
6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2941
by "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
7) Re: Kurt Cobain and MTV in a DT song
by ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
8) Thal, Keneally, TLF
by ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
9) Seven Wonders MP3 bootleg information
by "David Whitaker" <David-Whitaker@worldnet.att.net>
10) Mumblings and Jumblings
by Nigel Bridgeman <nigelb@powerup.com.au>
11) Public Service Message:
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
12) ACOS Project TAB up and ready
by "Brandon Vaughn" <bvaughn@snowhill.com>
13) ACOS/MEt 2.. stupid fux
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
14) Pure art
by Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
15) Looking for a song
by Joshua Malone <jmalone@mail.vt.edu>
16)
by gehrig4@seacoast.com (Robert C. Rivers)
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Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 22:10:47 -0500
From: cmustard@netdot.com (Mark Lampert)
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Lemur Voice a clone?!
Message-ID: <19970907030635632.AAA93@cmustard.vonl.com>
Ahoy,
What's this talk about Lemur Voice being a clone? I have to disagree
thoroughly. Marcel has got a great soloing style - it's awesome, and it's
not copying any of Petrucci's solos. I can't really see the reason for
calling them a DT clone. To me they are an awesome prog metal band with a
hell of a CD. Anyone agree/disagree?
· • Colonel Mustard • ·
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Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 22:13:35 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jonathan Case <jcase@HADLEY.METR.uoknor.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT new CD --> a disappointment? And other ramblings....
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.90.970906220430.7332A-100000@hadley>
In response to Clark Abel:
I agree with your comments on art-forms in music and such. Instrumental
music generally influences me the most with what I listen to. I don't
key in on the lyrics so much. Although a few exceptions to note are the
really good DT songs, such as Surrounded and Learning to Live. I think
the lyrics went downhill with Awake, and it sounds like they will
deteriorate even more with the new CD.
I'm really worried that they are beginning to make the transition to
conforming to grunge and crap like that. It will be particularly
devestating if they start creating many songs with choruses constantly
repeating, and from reading people's comments, it looks like that's what
YOu Not Me and Burning My Soul are like. Damn, that sucks.
In response to Pedro Filipe on beats per minute vs. quarter notes per
minute:
I've seen quarter note per minute typically, but beats per minute is more
general. Sometimes in 6/8 time, the 8th note will be specified for the
metronome speed. Usually students are taught with 1/4 as the metronome
speed since it's the most traditionally used style.
-Jon
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Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 00:45:29 -0300
From: "alves" <kalves@nutecnet.com.br>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Greets/Original Musical Tastes
Message-ID: <199709070422.EAA24456@srv3-sao.sao.nutecnet.com.br>
Hi guys,
I´m a new jammer (it´s just my second message) and I´d like to greet you
all, survivers of this poor world, covered by crap, narrow-minded people
and commercial stuff.
I´m a DT fan since 1993.It was incredible to discover a band who could put
virtuosity and talent together, not just a "heros" band, but making a new
and creative kind of music. And how someone had already said in this list,
this is not very often nowadays.
One thing that´s interesting about DT is the "source" of his fans, what
were their original musical tastes before they meet "the real thing".
It´s easy to see , because of the DT influences, the most of its fans used
to list progressive or heavy metal stuff, or both.
I realized, reading this list, the majority of the jammers has a more
progressive taste.
It´s interesting because here in Brazil the public of DT is basically
formed by people who used to listen more heavy stuff.
The amazing thing is that DT made the bridge between the styles and it take
people discover new and incredible things in both sides.
Anyway, I don´t know if this "labels" make any sense nowadays. It was just
my useless thoughts.
Up the irons, people of South America!!
[]´s,
Andre Alvarez
For a closer chat :-)
< kalves@nutecnet.com.br >
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Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 01:14:49 -0300
From: "alves" <kalves@nutecnet.com.br>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: South American News
Message-ID: <199709070422.EAA24463@srv3-sao.sao.nutecnet.com.br>
Hello guys, I´m here again,
You who are worried about the Dream Theater popularity, here goes some news
about South America.
At least in Brazil, Dream Theater has a extremelly good image among the
musical
specialized media. I mean, they´re not played in the radiostations, just in
programs specialized in heavy stuff, but they were cover of a heavy rock
magazine some months ago and they have lots of fans, specially among
musicians and lovers of heavy (but audible) stuff.
Now, THANKS GOD, DT is coming for their first shows in Brazil (maybe the
first in South America, do you know??). The new single (I think it´s BMS)
is gonna be played tomorrow night in a rock radiostation. The CD may be
released with some delay, but I´m gonna buy an imported one for sure.
My god, it´s a lot of emotion in just few days. I´m getting crazy!!
"You can feel the waves coming on
It´s time to take the time"
(You know who is, I´ve just listed it now!!)
[]´s,
Andre
Alvarez
For a closer chat :-)
< kalves@nutecnet.com.br >
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Date: Sun, 7 Sep 97 05:47:30 UT
From: "Charles Farrell" <charlie_farrell@classic.msn.com>
To: "Ytsejam list" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Theshold / Music @ Di's Funeral
Message-ID: <UPMAIL02.199709070541440640@classic.msn.com>
> Date: Sat, 06 Sep 1997 16:19:37 -0700
> From: Jim Beavens <jbeavens@ichips.intel.com>
> To: ytsejam@ax.com
> Subject: NDTC: Di's funeral music
> Message-ID: <199709062319.QAA08430@ichips.intel.com>
>
> Ok, so I watched some of Princess Di's funeral, and was struck
> by the hymn that was played/sung as they carried the casket out
> of Westminster Abbey after the ceremony. Does anybody know what
> this was/who wrote it/if there are any recordings of it?
The Palace website, giving the order of service, states
"The congregation will remain standing as the cortège leaves
the Abbey, as the choir sings extracts from Shakespeare's
Hamlet and the Orthodox Funeral Service, set to music by
John Taverner:
Alleluia. May flights of angels sing thee to thy rest.
Remember me O Lord, when you come into your kingdom.
Give rest O Lord to your handmaid, who has fallen asleep.
The choir of saints have found the well-spring of life, and door of paradise.
Life: a shadow and a dream.
Weeping at the grave creates the song:
Alleluia. Come, enjoy rewards and crowns I have prepared for you."
He seems to have written a selection of funeral music and
its not obvious at first which piece this came from. No doubt
the sales will now boom in the UK. He's best known (in the
UK) for:
The Akathist of Thanksgiving (1988)
The Protecting Veil (1989)
For an exhaustive list of the material he has written and
further info, try
http://www.mpae.gwdg.de/~kopp/jt
http://www.schirmer.com/composers/tavener/bio.html
http://www.dotmusic.co.uk/MWtalenttavener.html
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> Date: Sat, 06 Sep 1997 21:53:16 -0400
> From: "W. Brian Henderson" <hender@wam.umd.edu>
> To: ytsejam@ax.com
> Subject: Threshold
>
> Is there a Threshold website anywhere? Can't find one... MP3 files?
> Dunno...
Nope, I haven't been able to find one. There's the odd page dedicated to one
album or another, but no site dedicated to the band. their record label is at
Charlie
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Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 02:00:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2941
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.96.970907015654.116052A-100000@gnu.uvm.edu>
On Sat, 6 Sep 1997 ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
> It is my understanding that JLMB is about the sad current state in which
> the music industry is in.
> I'd like to see MTV play THAT song=)
They played TTT, which has similar themes to JLMB. Granted I only saw it
once on Headbanger's Ball....
Richie
P.S. H A P P Y B I R T H D A Y D - M A N!!!!
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Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 01:02:59 -0400
From: ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Kurt Cobain and MTV in a DT song
Message-ID: <19970907051239.AAA10603@sni.pananet.com>
> Does this bother anyone else? Ok, I haven't heard any of the new stuff
> yet, and I'm not going to make a big deal out of this until I have, since
for
> all I know this quote could be dead wrong anyway. But to me, this is just
a
> subtle indication that the band may be headed in a direction that I don't
like.
> It reminds me of something I read here a year or so ago where someone
said that
> alot of fans don't like the line in Learning to Live that goes "The
nineties
> bring new questions..." because they consider IaW to be something of a
timeless
> work, and that one line dates the whole thing. I agree. I've always
thought of
> these guys (DT) as being kind of visionaries (go ahead and laugh, I'm
serious)
I think one of the beatiful things about music is that it reflects the
state of society in that point in time. Baroque music (like Bach) was
heavily ornamented, just like everything else in that era, and so on.
> But I'm getting way off topic here. My point is this. Social commentary
> is fine, and I don't mind vague references or hints of it in my music.
Alot
> of Metallica's old stuff was semi-political, and that was cool, because
it
> always had kind of a vague, semi-poetic ring to it. But when the lyrics
to
> music start including direct references to current pop culture, it loses
any
Ok, point taken, but Just Let Me Breathe is particular (the song with the
MTV reference, is a complaint about the current state of the music
industry. There letting out their frustrations out,very straight to the
point. I like that. It's about time they do something like that. And I
don't think the whole album is like that, but I don't really know.
> sense of timelessness, and as a result, any possibility of being "pure
art" to
> me. "Pure art", I suppose, would be music written purely for the sake of
the
pure art is something really hard to define. To me, if the artist is
talented enough to express himself, is displaying his emotions thru his
art, and, most importantly, is being honest, then it's art. What i mean by
being 'honest' is that he plays what comes naturally to them. And i really
feel that's what DT are doing.
I was also thinking about how all of us where bitching about how the music
industry sucks, etc, etc. But, think about it. DT aren't rich, but they
are making a living out of there music. Isn't that good enough? Of course,
that could change in the future, but what I'm saying is that the industry
has warped what success means. In a world where millions of record sales
world-wide is considered 'success', one tends to forget that just being
able to make a living entirely out of your music is quite and
accomplishment.
thaat's it form me,
Ernesto
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Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 02:27:43 -0400
From: ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Thal, Keneally, TLF
Message-ID: <19970907062925.AAA11932@sni.pananet.com>
Okay, thanks to Mr. Ptaceck I just finished listening to both Ron Thal and
Mike Keneally and i have only one thing to say:
FUCK!
thes guys are truly something else...musically unbelievable, and funny at
the same time. Any Zappa fan should check these guys out. I think i'm
gonna go broke buying cd's this month:)
On another note, thanks to Rogerio, i finally got to listen to the studio
TLF...awesome..the harmonies are splendid:)
And the Mind Control is pretty darn awesome as a whole. Best quality boot
i've heard. I'm definitely thinking about getting a copy of that PPV video.
that's that,
Ernesto
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Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 05:32:16 -0500
From: "David Whitaker" <David-Whitaker@worldnet.att.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Seven Wonders MP3 bootleg information
Message-ID: <19970907103336.AAA1854@hombre>
Ordering is still open on the Seven Wonders MP3 CD, the bootleg that
contains all seven of Mike Bahr's past Dream Theater bootlegs, plus, as a
bonus, Mind Control, the double-disc masterpiece bootleg, all one ONE CD
for $22!
I put all the information about it on a website to save Jam space. I don't
want to clutter an imminent monstrosity. I built the page in 20 minutes
(it's 5:00am and I can only think about sleep right now). And since it's
so late, I don't have the time to find out how to get my page up on my ISP,
so I'm putting on a Geocities account that I created over two years ago
(and it's still alive, amazingly). It's located at:
www.geocities.com/soho/2236
It has ordering information, technical details, and (most importantly) a
comprehensive listing of the status of orders (disc number, whether you've
paid yet, whether the disc has been shipped yet, the date you reserved the
disc, as well as your name (duh)). This will be updated every two or so
days, so it will always be relatively current. The page was a rush job, so
it is just a rough sketch of what will come. E-mail me with any questions
you might have at David-Whitaker@worldnet.att.net.
And just as a reminder, the printer says the liners won't be ready until
around the 10th, and once I get them in, the bulk of the CDs will get sent
off that day.
D. Ryan Whitaker
David-Whitaker@worldnet.att.net
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Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 21:03:28 +1000
From: Nigel Bridgeman <nigelb@powerup.com.au>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Mumblings and Jumblings
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970907210328.006ae818@powerup.com.au>
Hiyis
Clark said:
> Ok, hopefully someone will know what I'm talking about here. Here's my
>two cents on one other semi-related topic: I personally don't give a flying
>woopty-doo if DT has ANY commercial success with this album or not, and in
>fact, I hope they don't.
This is the sort of comment that I don't really like. If DT didn't have
any commercial success with the album, then good luck to them in getting
into the studio again. There are few things I would like more than to see
DT get a hit with FII and become one of the major heavy rock/metal acts of
the nineties. Audiences are starting to get tired of grunge and
alternative bands now and, from what I've heard of it, FII will be the
perfect album to get new fans to like great music again.
Just thought I'd mention that...
Spiff
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Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 04:12:59 -0700
From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Public Service Message:
Message-ID: <199709071112.EAA16003@gms.gmsnet.com>
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Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 08:16:44 -0500 From: "Brandon Vaughn" <bvaughn@snowhill.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: ACOS Project TAB up and ready Message-ID: <199709071321.IAA29844@frost.snowhill.com>
The updated files are now available on the web for your enjoyment and scrutinizing. The address is the same for those of you that have already been in contact with me. For those wishing to join in and help us check this transcription, send me an email.
Make sure you look at all files. Every single one of them have been modified (some majorly).
Also, make sure you look at the credits file (and send any corrections/additions) and especially the questionable passages section. This will help those of you with limited time, who can't check the whole thing, to zero in on parts that I would like a little confirmation on.
Alternate fingerings I will consider, although I'm pretty comfortable with the ones written.
Like I said on the web page, I'm not saying that this is 100% accurate...I'm sure there might be _some_ mistakes. But I sat down for hours with this song at slow speed listening for hours to parts of the song, checking their accuracy. If it is not 100%, then it is pretty close. But then again, check those 7-string parts...I only have a 6-string.
Have fun! \\||// ~~..'~ ( \ ) Brandon Vaughn \ c/ __\/__ "The Mad Tabber" / \ < . _ \ bvaughn@snowhill.com \ `\ \ -' / \ \ ,,,_ vaughn_b@popmail.firn.edu >|""O[|||||nn[:::< /_,--- ._\ '''''~ ~ | | | | |
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Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 09:52:42 -0400 From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: ACOS/MEt 2.. stupid fux Message-ID: <3412B1AA.2CD4F72F@caribe.net>
Damn..somone needs to set some of the stupid fux on the newsgroup straight... they are now fighting over how ACos was supposed to be MEt-2... because in the liner notes of ACos it says it was written together with MEt-1.. these guys dont have a clue. . and when ppl from the list correct them with the facts.. they still say that we dont have no proof of that. . its getting tiresome reading ignorant posts like that..
--
Carpe Diem...Seize the Day... Dream Theater: A Change of Seasons http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro mailto:calfaro@caribe.net mailto:progboy@mindless.com Universal Internet Number (ICQ) 1254229
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Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 11:06:28 -0400 From: Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Pure art Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970907110622.00693f2c@mail.ici.net>
>But when the lyrics to >music start including direct references to current pop culture, it loses any >sense of timelessness, and as a result, any possibility of being "pure art" to >me.
I don't think reference to current events is any different that references to (or songs about) historical events. Learning To Live is bad and something like Maiden's "Alexander The Great" is good simply because one is topical and one is historical?
In my mind, the lyrics to a song are simply the band saying words that they think need to be said. Whether they are poignant, topical, whimsical or whatever is really irrelevant as long as they serve the intended purpose.
If you say that a certain range of topics is off-limits to the lyricist, you are essentially stifling his/her creativity - not allowing them to use all the tools at their disposal. Noone would suggest that DT's music is not "pure art" because the members use electric instruments, sound samples, and a high-tech modern drumkit. Why put limits on anyone?
_____Pat Sullivan_____________________________________ E-Mail: psull@ici.net WWW: http://www.ici.net/cust_pages/psull/psull.html IRC: DDictator ICQ: 2049374 ______________________________________________________ If you're cross-eyed and have dyslexia, can you read all right?
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Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 11:05:59 -0400 From: Joshua Malone <jmalone@mail.vt.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Looking for a song Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970907110559.00693f44@mail.vt.edu>
I'm a newcomer to the jam, so please pardon my lack of general knowledge. I was listening to ACOS the other day and remembered how much ass their cover of Genesis's "Turn It On" kicked. I was wondering if they ever did the whole song live and if there is a recording of it anywhere that I could get my grubby little hands on. Oh - speaking of kicking ass, I tested the Winplay3 v2.3b5 yesterday. It rules! It sounds MUCH better than any other MP3 player I have ever tested (MuseArc, MaPlay, WinAmp). If you want to hear your favorite MP3's with much less high-frequency distortion, then get this FULLY FUNCTIONAL beta from Fraunhofer's site at http://www.iis.fhg.de/audio I haven't seen anything there about any time-out on this beta.
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Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 11:12:25 -0400 From: gehrig4@seacoast.com (Robert C. Rivers) To: ytsejam@ax.com Message-ID: <199709071512.LAA21756@apollo.worx.net>
Does anyone know the opening band or bands for the Marillion show in Boston?? Thanks
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