YTSEJAM Digest 2939
Today's Topics:
1) Album Covers
by The Phoenix <rctaylor@students.uiuc.edu>
2) Leviathan, Altura, and Metal Edge
by The Phoenix <rctaylor@students.uiuc.edu>
3) Followup to ECKIE'S RANT
by Eric John Marlett <gt7262a@prism.gatech.edu>
4) How were the songs recorded?
by Eric John Marlett <gt7262a@prism.gatech.edu>
5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2937
by Lars Hellsten <lars@matrixsoft.dyn.ml.org>
6) Leviathan, Altura, and Metal Edge -Reply
by Stefan Rau <TXCRD12@war.wyeth.com>
7) DT on the radio
by "Too Much Coffee Man" <Dale.R.Newberry@MO.NET>
8) MFP, Virus Warning !!!
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
9) help
by "Too Much Coffee Man" <Dale.R.Newberry@MO.NET>
10) RE: Keyboard question
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
11) Dorq Man
by "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org>
12) Re: emty v awards
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
13) re:YOU NOT ME
by "Magnus Lind" <treasure.land@mailbox.swipnet.se>
14) Mumblings and Jumblings
by Nigel Bridgeman <nigelb@powerup.com.au>
15) Still not finished ranting...
by djw_at_neon@smtpgate.walker.com
16) more ASCII drum music upon request! (Pull Me Under)
by Jonathan Case <jcase@hadley.METR.uoknor.edu>
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Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 12:43:46 -0500 (CDT)
From: The Phoenix <rctaylor@students.uiuc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Album Covers
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970905123823.10350A-100000@ux5.cso.uiuc.edu>
The DT album covers (at least I&W, Awake and ACOS) are among my
favorites of all time for the very reason that they accurately describe
the music inside (for me, anyway). Not to mention that the music is
great. But not all alum covers fit so well. The most extreme example
that comes to mind is the new Galactic Cowboys album "The Horse That Bud
Bought." Any of you who have it know what I'm talking about. Flowers and
pastels do not come to my mind when I think of heavy metal!
-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-
| Robert Taylor The world may seem flown away |
| rctaylor@uiuc.edu Almost as if it cannot be saved |
| The Phoenix Will we be able to rise |
| From these ashes we've sown |
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Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 13:35:17 -0500 (CDT)
From: The Phoenix <rctaylor@students.uiuc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Leviathan, Altura, and Metal Edge
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970905133130.371A-100000@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu>
I am thinking of ordering some CDs and I want to know about
ALtura. I couldn't find any stuff about them on the web. Are the Prog
rock, prog hard rock, or prog metal, or prog at all? How's the singer?
I checked out Leviathan and I just want to know how's the vocals?
I e-mailed Metal Edge as per suggestion and asked if they'd be
covering FII. Here's what they said:
"yes. See the Dec issue out 9/23"
ALL RIGHT!!!
-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-
| Robert Taylor The world may seem flown away |
| rctaylor@uiuc.edu Almost as if it cannot be saved |
| The Phoenix Will we be able to rise |
| From these ashes we've sown |
-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-
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Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 14:52:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: Eric John Marlett <gt7262a@prism.gatech.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Followup to ECKIE'S RANT
Message-ID: <199709051852.OAA28782@acmex.gatech.edu>
This is an excerpt from an article by Chris Renaldo entitled "Contemporary
Insanity". I just came across it as I was eating lunch.
"I believe it was Mao Tse-Tung who said, 'If you tell a lie enough
times, it becomes the truth.' How did a country, founded on the premise of
independence and personal liberty, become such a denial-ridden nation of
mindless rodents in search of the next trend-setting Pied Piper? To
paraphrase the late Robert F. Kennedy, some men see things that are and
ask, why. Others see things that never were and say, 'Well, that doesn't
matter; we can just ignore reality and pretend things are the way we want
them to be.' In our neverending quest to be 'hip', we have created a
pathetic, child-like world that favors form over substance, fiction over
fact."
He wasn't even talking about the music world. He was ranting
against pop culture in general, and for those that feel inspired to
take action against this cultural decay, I just thought this might make
the point that this is not a problem found only in musicdom. That which is
great and that which sells are usually mutually exclusive things, not
always, but most of the time. Eckie's right that money is the god of our
culture, and until that changes, our cause is futile. However, this isn't
a fight only for DT fans, or prog fans, or music fans for that matter.
This is a fight for something that transcends all titles and labels and
distinctions. It is a fight for everyone who still has the ability to
care.
Eric
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Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 14:57:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: Eric John Marlett <gt7262a@prism.gatech.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: How were the songs recorded?
Message-ID: <199709051857.OAA00355@acmex.gatech.edu>
There was some talk a while back about how DT recorded their songs, and
what I remember was that on the previous albums each member recorded their
parts for the entire album and then the next and so on. I also
recall that for FII they might change that style and record all the parts
for each song before moving on to the next...Does anyone know if this is
what they did? I'd be really curious to find out......
Eric
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Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 15:48:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: Lars Hellsten <lars@matrixsoft.dyn.ml.org>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2937
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.970905154107.424A-100000@matrixsoft.dyn.ml.org>
> Ytse-Survey Int'l is once again conducting a survey on the 'Jam, this
> time to find out which NFL team is the most popular amongst the best
Fuck off and die. We don't need your stinking spam here. Why don't you
just put it on a goddamn web page? This NFL crap is even worse than the
spam that's been making it's way on the list lately - at least that junk
isn't posted over and over. I bet the majority of the people on this list
don't even follow the NFL.
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Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 16:27:07 -0400
From: Stefan Rau <TXCRD12@war.wyeth.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com, rctaylor@students.uiuc.edu
Subject: Leviathan, Altura, and Metal Edge -Reply
Message-ID: <s410334a.049@war.wyeth.com>
>>> The Phoenix <rctaylor@students.uiuc.edu> 09/05/97 03:06pm >>>
> I am thinking of ordering some CDS and I want to know about
>ALtura. I couldn't find any stuff about them on the web. Are the Prog
>rock, prog hard rock, or prog metal, or prog at all? How's the singer?
I have their CD "Mercy" (their only one, AFAIK)....definitely prog metal, not
quite as heavy as DT, but close. Some nice melodies, some parts that
sound totally un-melodic, almost chaotic, for lack of a better word (not
that that's necessarily a bad thing...). Sounds almost like there's a hint of
industrial music influences here and there. The vocalist (I think his name
is Rain Irving) isn't bad, but he tends to overdo it a bit at times. Overall,
not my favorite disc, but it finds its way into my stereo on a semi-regular
basis.
Stefan Rau
Wyeth-Ayerst Research
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Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 15:23:43 +0000
From: "Too Much Coffee Man" <Dale.R.Newberry@MO.NET>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT on the radio
Message-ID: <199709052024.PAA27682@Walden.MO.NET>
AHH!!!! I was just toild that K-SHE 95 in St. Louis has played BMS a
few times so far, and it even received a %100 rating on their new
rock interactive program!!! KICK ASS!!!!
~Dale R. Newberry will be listening some now
"People will watch anything, as long as it's dumb."
-Beavis
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Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 22:24:09 +0200
From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: MFP, Virus Warning !!!
Message-ID: <01BCBA4A.F0BE97A0@Keiko.startrek.GlobalXS.nl>
Ernesto Schnack wrote :
> BTW, i was at Itchy's home page, and noticed that my name was linked
> to www.dreamtheater.com.
You must have mentioned that URL in your last post to the Ytsejam :-)
> Itchy...i'm confused....
So, what else is new ;-)
Every month, I put together the Most Frequent Poster and Domain lists
for Freaks, Ytsejam and Voices. The lists contain the amount of posts
that were sent from every email address. Recently, I started keeping
track of the amount of lines everyone posted each month. If you know
the *total* amount of lines that were posted, you can calculate the %
of bandwidth everyone used up. You can find that on the lists too :-)
So, if you wanna find out how much *you* (or anyone else) contributed
to the Ytsejam the month before, check out the MFP lists on my site !
To make the MFP lists more *fun*, I decided to link people's names to
the last URL they mentioned... If the URL of your homepage is in your
sig, your name will always be linked to your own homepage... There is
also a way to make sure a certain URL will get linked on the lists :
That's how you do it :-) Once a month is enough. All other URLs will
be ignored. You can also change your name on the MFP list by using :
NAME: Itchy's 'The H Website'
:-)
It's fun checking out what URLs got linked to the MFP lists :->
Enjoy
_____
Subject: Virus Warning !!!
WARNING!!!!!! If you receive an package titled "FALLING INTO INFINITY"
DO NOT open it!
Mail it to Itchy, instead. He'll take care of it :-)
Mark
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Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 15:33:25 +0000
From: "Too Much Coffee Man" <Dale.R.Newberry@MO.NET>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: help
Message-ID: <199709052031.PAA28783@Walden.MO.NET>
Any St. Louis jammers know the e-mail address of K-SHE? I can't seem
to find one, but I'm sure they have it somewhere. Thanks.
Dale R. Newberry
"People will watch anything, as long as it's dumb."
-Beavis
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Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 16:32:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
To: BePe <H.M.Peeters@stud.tue.nl>
Subject: RE: Keyboard question
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.91.970905163204.21447A-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
I don't know what Derek uses. I thought he used a Trinity, but I don't
really know. I haven't been to the music store in about a month. Time to
go again, I guess.
Reach Damon Fibraio at damon@shell.monmouth.com
keyboardist, vocalist, radio personality
Deviant of Reality
All of us get lost in the darkness, dreamers learn to steer by the stars
All of us do time in the gutter, dreamers turn to look at the cars.
Neil Peart of Rush
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Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 16:57:47 -0400
From: "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Dorq Man
Message-ID: <199709052057.QAA06930@wicked.stigmata.org>
D-Man said:
> Then, go out and drink two beers, one for each of us. :)
NO, send us each $5 so we can go get beers :)
> No problem. Just send mail to ytsejam-request@ax.com. The subject of
> yourmail should be "asdf" (without the quotes) and the body of the mail
> should say:
> set mail ytsejam ack
> and you won't get any more digests.
EVIL EVIL BOY :P
Where are my pictures?!?!?!
Thanks to D for the b-day wishes :)
Skadz
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Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 17:10:23 -0400 (EDT)
From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
To: Carlos Andrés Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
Subject: Re: emty v awards
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.91.970905170941.2444D-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
Hey, if you heard what Chris Rock said about videos and video awards,
you'd have pissed your pants. Here today, gone today. Don't expect to be
back here next year! The truth is sometimes so painful. Down with the
spice dikes.
Reach Damon Fibraio at damon@shell.monmouth.com
keyboardist, vocalist, radio personality
Deviant of Reality
All of us get lost in the darkness, dreamers learn to steer by the stars
All of us do time in the gutter, dreamers turn to look at the cars.
Neil Peart of Rush
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Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 23:51:15 +0200
From: "Magnus Lind" <treasure.land@mailbox.swipnet.se>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: re:YOU NOT ME
Message-ID: <199709052147.XAA29406@mb01.swip.net>
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Is it just me or the new DT single sounds like a Faith No More song?
No it still sounds like Def Leppard ; )
Mangan Bassplayer in Treasure Land
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Date: Sat, 06 Sep 1997 07:51:28 +1000
From: Nigel Bridgeman <nigelb@powerup.com.au>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Mumblings and Jumblings
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970906075128.0074b950@powerup.com.au>
Hiyis
Someone going by the name of Davide said (with You Not Me in the subject
line):
>Is it just me or the new DT single sounds like a Faith No More song?
>Expecially the way Derek uses the keys.
Is You Not Me the single, or is Burning My Soul? I always thought it was
Burning My Soul - that's what Mr Portnoy said, and that's what's been heard
on the radio (well, allegedly - I ain't heard it yet, but then I don't
listen to the radio...). So, You Not Me is *not* the first single, right?
Wrong?
--- Alexandre Lymberopoulos said:> Yesterday, September 4th, was the Rogerio Brito's Birthday. Plese send >him a note...
And it's my birthday next June. Don't forget it. --- D-Man happened to mention:
>Does that mean that the "Working Man" tribute sounds blue and nadz-less to you?
Just the part with Mark Slaughter...
Spiff
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Date: Fri, 05 Sep 97 08:36:51 -0800 From: djw_at_neon@smtpgate.walker.com To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Still not finished ranting... Message-ID: <9709058734.AA873496406@smtpgate.walker.com>
Hi, Yes I'm still pissed. I've been thinking about DT touring and I just can't believe that their management will let them come to the UK. The whole idea of a tour is to promote a bands most recent offering (or to keep their fans sweet while they wait for a new offering). Can you imagine JLB saying "This one's from our new album...which you can't actually buy in the shops...", no, me neither. Can someone please ask the band/management what is going on, I feel so let down, not by the band, they don't make these decisions, but buy their management, label and promoters. How many DT fans in the UK will never know about the existence of this CD, not all of them have internet access, and not all of them are that die hard that they would phone record companies. Disillusioned Dave (a UK Jammer).
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Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 18:03:58 -0500 (CDT) From: Jonathan Case <jcase@hadley.METR.uoknor.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: more ASCII drum music upon request! (Pull Me Under) Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.90.970904120235.3852A-100000@hadley>
ASCII drum parts, continued: ---------------------------
KEY:
Top line = half-opened HH Cr. = crash cymbal Middle line = snare drum Bottom line = bass drum 3 = triplet demarkation R vs. L is right foot vs. left foot on the bass drum. (the double bass kick!)
> is an accent -0- is a half note rest $ is a quarter note rest % is an eighth note rest & is a sixteenth note rest
This is the part in Pull Me Under when Portnoy first starts playing the double bass kicks along with Petrucci's guitar:
Cr. Cr. > > ------ | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | X X X X X | 0 / | 0 / | 4 | @ @ @ | / | / | - | | | | | / | / | 4 | @ & @ @ | | @ | | / | / | | | | | | | | | | / | / | | | |_| | | | | | / 0 | / 0 | | |____|_| |____| | | | | | 3 R L
Cr. Cr. > > ------ _______ | | | | | |_| | | | | | | | | | | X X X X X| | | | | @ @ @ @ @ | | | | | | @ & @ @ | | @ & @ @ $ | | | | | | | | | | | | | |_| | | | |_| | | |____|_| |____| |____|_| | 3 3 R L R L
Cr. Cr. Cr. Cr. Cr. > > > > > ------ ------ ----- ----- | | | | | |\ |\ | | | | |\ | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | X X X X X % X | % X X X X X % X | | @ @ @ | @ @ @ | | | | | | | | | | | @ & @ @ | | % @ % | | @ | | % @ % | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |_| | | | | | | | | | | | | |____|_| |____| \| \| | \| |___| \| \| | 3 R L
Cr. Cr. > > ------ _______ _______ |\ | | | | | | | |_| | |_| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | % X X X X X| | X X| X| | | | | | | | @ @ @ | @ @ @ @ @ @ @ | | | | | | | % @ | | @ & @ @ $ | @ & @ @ @ -0- | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |_| | | |_| | | | \| |____| |____|_| | |____|_| \| | 3 3 R L R L
Cr. > H.H. ----> (half opened) | | | | | | | | | | | X X| X X| | | @ @ | | | ETC. , ETC. (keyboard plays | @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ | along with double bass line) | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |_|_|_| |_|_|_| |_|_|_| |_|_|_| | | |_|_|_| |_|_|_| |_|_|_| |_|_|_| |
R L R L R L R L etc.
Well, I hope some people enjoy this ASCII drumset transcription! I wish I had the real thing in terms of drumset sheet music for Dream Theater. That would be really cool!!
Anyhow, take it easy everyone and let me know what you think of this. Some notes may be off a bit, since I just did this all from memory (I don't have the CD with me right now....)
Later, Jon Case
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