YTSEJAM Digest 2956
Today's Topics:
1) Seven Wonders DT bootleg compilation CD
by "David Whitaker" <David-Whitaker@worldnet.att.net>
2) Yet another response
by "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
3) Help me find this
by "John Hough" <jhough@mindspring.com>
4) Keyboards VS. Guitars,and all that stuff...
by "Jani Liimatainen" <sirjani@hotmail.com>
5) Production, sounds, mix...
by djw_at_neon@smtpgate.walker.com
6) wanted:record company info...
by O-P Komonen <opk@hlti.fi>
7) FII IN MP3!!! AND OTHER RARE MP3S...
by Peter <mrbungle@speed.eik.bme.hu>
8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2955 , Divine Regale, Dream Theatre ...
by "Razvan Tudose" <rtudose@terminus.dnttm.ro>
9) Re: Inside Information on David Prater
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
10) Re: Words that I don't understand yet want to...
by Andrew Berry <andrew@aberry.demon.co.uk>
11) Nasty-ass formatting, more on rating CD shops
by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
12) Random head farts
by "Neil Gallop" <nga@software-ag.de>
13) Official statement regarding UK release?
by Graham Borland <gborland@apsoft.co.uk>
14) Re: Inside Information on David Prater
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
15) Re: Album Production
by Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
16) Re: Help me find this
by Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 01:22:29 -0500
From: "David Whitaker" <David-Whitaker@worldnet.att.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Seven Wonders DT bootleg compilation CD
Message-ID: <19970910062340.AAA7731@hombre>
Ordering is still open for Seven Wonders, the CD that contains all
seven of Mike Bahr's past Dream Theater bootlegs and, as a bonus, Mind
Control, the 2CD masterpiece from the Awake tour. For ordering
information, please visit:
http://www.geocities.com/soho/2236
The page is updated daily with the exact status of your order (disc #,
if I've received payment, whether I've shipped, and whether your disc is
ready).
I'm picking up the CD liners today, so every disc that I've received
payment for (which is around 7 discs) will ship today. Every order I
receive from today on will ship the same day, so if you order your disc
Monday, and I receive payment Wednesday, you'll probably have the disc in
your hands Friday or Saturday, depending on the speed of the mail.
Everything is looking *awesome*.
D. Ryan Whitaker
David-Whitaker@worldnet.att.net
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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 03:04:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
To: Dream Theater <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Yet another response
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.96.970910022515.139776A-100000@gnu.uvm.edu>
A man can only be so strong. After hearing everybody praise/bitch
the 3 songs on www.scream.no, I finally broke down and downloaded the
fuckers. If you're not sick of these "reviews," then please continue
reading. If you are, in fact, sick of these "reviews," feel free to skip
this message and read about DT's deteriorating lyrics, deteriorating
musicianship, deteriorating dietary habits, etc.
New Millenium: This lets you know right off the bat that this is not your
father's DT anymore. Myung is right out in front (for a change) with the
funkiest bass line on any DT song (that I've heard) yet. Some trade mark
DT time changes occur before the biggest shock out of all three songs
occurs: James starts singing. But wait...I've never heard him sing like
this before. There are harmonies, yes, but I found the harmonies to be very
invocative of Alice In Chains (or Sebastian Bach's performance on Jacob's
Ladder on the Working Man Album). The verses themselves don't really do
that much for me yet, but the chorus is definitely growing on me ("I got
this feeling...the tide is turning now baby"). Actually, it was cool to
hear the word "baby" in a DT song. It sounds like this song is done
tongue-in-cheek, but I could be wrong about that. It's during the
instrumental section, however, that things become pretty interesting.
Actually, they become pretty fuckin' cool. There is some
weird....thing...that happens. I want to say it was a spoken word section,
but I couldn't really hear well enough through my little piss-ant
speakers. But it sounded like there were a lot of background
effects/noises that are going to take multiple listenings to fully
appreciate. What happens next is the funkiest, dirtiest, nastiest, PHATIST
groove I've heard in a long time. It's very 70's in tone, but it's very
DT in performance. Some amazing runs, complements of JP and DS. There is an
UNGODLY (that's a good thing) breakdown where either JM or JP lays it
right in the pocket with Mike grooving right along. All in all: thumbs up
from me. Just approach it with an open mind.
Hell's Kitchen: Hmmm....having attended two Fix shows (and acquiring a
boot of one of them) I've heard most of this before. Is it just me, or did
anyone else get the feeling that this song never fit at all with BMS? When
I heard them first go into it at a show, I thought it was a completely
different song. Well, it is now. Makes me wonder if they ever intended it
to be a part of BMS at all. Anyway, some very cool stuff from JP on this
one, and the sounds DS is using are perfect. Of special note is an
absolutely INSANE build-up (if you've heard it, you know what I'm talking
about). I haven't tried to count it yet and I won't attempt to until I'm
in a particularly adventurous mood. All in all: Thumbs up, but it's not
my favorite DT instrumental (that would be Erotomania).
Take Away My Pain: Here it is. I can't remember a song which has caused so
much distress in YTSEland. It seems like I am one of the few that loved
this song in its original version at the Fix shows. It was actually my
favorite of the new stuff that night. Well, it seems like DT took a cue
from the electric version of "The Silent Man" and changed this one around
BIG TIME. I'll admit, I miss the quiet beginning of the original version.
The beat MP is doing is cool, but as a whole this song suffers from
overproduction. It seems like they tried to tweak it so much in the studio
that it lost some of the magic that drew me to it in the first place. It's
still catchy as hell and lyrically it is very touching. I guess I'm so
used to hearing it as a power-ballad type of song that this is going to
take some getting used to, though it retains it's power-balladness during
most of the choruses and the solo (which is amazing). All in all: a
cautious thumbs up. I'll wait till I hear it in full before passing
judgement.
In closing, it seems we've got one hell of an album on our hands. It's
different than what we're used to from DT, but different is a good thing.
I can tell this is an album which is going to piss a lot of people off (if
it hasn't already) and is going to make other people shit themselves. I
suppose that's a good thing either way. At least people are reacting.
Here's to the 23rd!!!
Richie
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Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 23:56:10 -0700
From: "John Hough" <jhough@mindspring.com>
To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@ax.com>,
Subject: Help me find this
Message-ID: <199709100705.DAA13613@brickbat8.mindspring.com>
I am desperately looking for a cd and was wondering if anyone has it or
knows someone who does who would be willing to sell. It is by a band called
"Lillian Axe" and the cd is called "All's Fair In Love & War". The disc is
out of print everywhere and I need it. If anyone can help please email me
John Hough
jhough@mindspring.com
http://www.mindspring.com/~jhough
GO PADRES!!!!!!!
Tony Gwynn .400 watch ------ 9/9/97 ----- .369
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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 00:32:16 PDT
From: "Jani Liimatainen" <sirjani@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Keyboards VS. Guitars,and all that stuff...
Message-ID: <199709100732.AAA01181@f49.hotmail.com>
Hi!
This is my first post to JAM,but I hope it won't be the last one...
I just want to say what I think about that Keyboards VS. Guitars
nonsense.I've always liked DT because of it's more than just a sum of
its parts.I haven't heard the older stuff,but I really dig "Awake",
because of its guitars,keyboards,bass,drums,vocals,songs,lyrics,
sounds,etc.They all get their fair share.I've never noticed "Awake"
would be guitar-dominated album.Sure,as a guitarist,guitars were the
first thing to grab my attention.JP is great!But so is MP.And JM.
KM was great.There is enough room for everyone to shine trough.
>That's something Derrick just can't (or at least doesn't) do.
Well,all I've heard from him is "Change of Seasons".It's a good thing he
doesn't try to copy Kevin.Derrick does his own stuff.Let him do that.And
finally...
>The reason Awake is guitar dominated is because KM did not put too
>much
>effort into the recording. He knew he was going to move on after
>Awake, so
>how could anyone expect him to put his mind into Awake? Kevin Moore >is
the
>reason Awake is so heavy.
What have you been listening to?There's helluva lot keyboards there!
Or what do you think about "Space-dye Vest"?
Jani
P.S.My english isn't too good,so sorry about those mistakes...
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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 97 08:46:25 -0800
From: djw_at_neon@smtpgate.walker.com
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Production, sounds, mix...
Message-ID: <9709108738.AA873877590@smtpgate.walker.com>
Hi,
I was interested to read that some Jammers can't get on with Awake
because of the production/mix etc. I happen to think that Awake
probably has the best production I have ever heard on any CD. You can
hear every instrument/vocal part perfectly and it has a very clean
sound.
I found that IAW got a bit muddy in places (particularly with that
triggered drum sound). Sure - I think that Awake is more guitar
oriented but the keys offer so much in depth and texture to the whole
feel of the piece, I can't fault it.
Some people have been saying that the Lyrics have been going down
hill as well - I just can't agree, I mean, if Voices doesn't make you
sit down and think - nothing will (IMHO). It will be interesting to
check out the lyrics on the new CD (if any of us UK Jammers can get
the fucking thing!).
I digress,
Dave (a UK Jammer).
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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 11:26:05 -0700
From: O-P Komonen <opk@hlti.fi>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: wanted:record company info...
Message-ID: <3416E63D.959@hlti.fi>
Hullo again....
A friend of mine is having a GREAT rock / hard rock solo project in the
vein of Aerostmith etc. He is now looking for a record company...
so, if you know any good record companys loooking for new artist..
pliizz e-mail me their contact infos.. merci!
P.S The YTSEFAQ will have some addtions tomorrow....
op777
YTSEFAQ maintainer --- http://www.hlti.fi/~opk/ytsefaq/
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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 10:24:24 +0200 (MET DST)
From: Peter <mrbungle@speed.eik.bme.hu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: FII IN MP3!!! AND OTHER RARE MP3S...
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.970910102411.25664A-100000@speed.eik.bme.hu>
HI THERE!
YOU CAN DOWNLOAD THE SONGS OF THE NEW ALBUM IN MP3 (44.1KHZ STEREO) FROM
http://citadel.elender.hu/pod/dtmain.html
THESE ARE FROM THE PROMO CD "FALLEN INTO INFINITY".
THERE ARE OTHER RARE STUFFZ IN MP3, EG. A KASSEL SHOW FROM 95, THE MUNICH
SHOW FROM APRIL 11TH, 97 AND FIX FOR 96 (TOAD'S SHOW), PRECIOUS THINGS AND
KEVIN'S DEMOS.
CHEERS,
BUNGLE
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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 12:30:45 +0300
From: "Razvan Tudose" <rtudose@terminus.dnttm.ro>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2955 , Divine Regale, Dream Theatre ...
Message-ID: <199709100933.MAA00238@terminus.dnttm.ro>
>Finally, one last comment about the keyboards. When I first heard I&W (my
>first DT album - I was turned onto it by the son of a guy that went to High
>School with Mike Portnoy) the thing that struck me was the keyboards. They
>sounded like a guitar - but not the sound - the way Kevin played 'em. If
>he had been using a good guitar patch, I would have thought it _was_ a
>guitar. That's something Derrick just can't (or at least doesn't) do.
i completely agree with Joshua on this one... it's Derek , not Derrick , btw
, but
that doesn't matter ... :) .... Derek IS an awesome player, he plays Moore's
parts
pretty good, but from what I've heard until now, he doesn't have Moore's
style, his
speed during the leads, and he has a much more jazzy approach to composing
his parts of a song ...
>BTW, I think Awake was their best album, by leaps and bounds.
yes! rock! finally , i thought i was the only one here who thought this...
btw, any other weirdos like DT's stuff in this order : Awake/WDADU/ACoS/I&W
?
(this means I&W is my least fave DT album, yes) ....
anyways... i was like reading the romanian Heavy Metal Magazine and i found
two interesting things : an interview with Divine Regale's drummer and in
the news
section, some 'hot' news about a new record by DREAM THEATRE (huh huh -
seek balls , Mr. Petrucci ;) ) ...
ok, so Chris Anderson (DR's drummer) was asked 'How did the band come up
with this name?' to which he replied :
'Uhhh...we were looking for a band name in the early 90's and then we found
the
word 'divine' and we thought it was pretty cool...Afterwards, we browsed the
dictionary chosing a word at random and we got 'regale' ... Put together,
Divine
Regale doesn't mean anything... It isn't necessary to mean something... It's
not
that Queensryche or Marillion mean anything ,right? '
wrong, imo ... but hey, he's a drummer, right? ;) (no offense for all the
drummers
on this list :) ) ...
ok.. on to the Dream Theatre ( ;) ) news :
'Dream Theatre already finished 5 new songs , which will appear on their
next
album . They recorded them in the Avatar studios, being produced by Kevin
Shirley, who also produced Bon Jovi, Aerosmith and Ozzy Osbourne ... It
seems
that this time, Dream Theatre will go for a softer sound, having included on
their
new album EVEN a ballad' ....
my , oh my! can you imagine that ? one WHOLE ballad on FII ? ;)
god, this is really different than the other albums ... there weren't any
ballads on
those ! no way!
ok, that's about it from me...
take care and stuff and ytse on...
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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 02:39:20 -0700
From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Inside Information on David Prater
Message-ID: <199709100939.CAA15850@gms.gmsnet.com>
Yeah well...
I don't think Prater is all that good... you can't hear the bass on any
of his productions, even though they ARE clear... he always has the bass
and bass drum way off presence.
-The Doc
-- #$%*#$*@ E-MAIL: drkhoe@gmsnet.com #$%#$#$% _+_+_+_+ Unix, Internet, Intranet Engineering _+_+_+_+ [][][][] Dr. Mosh's Progressive Feast [][][][] #$@#$#@# http://progmetal.gmsnet.com @#$@##@$------------------------------
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 09:10:40 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Berry <andrew@aberry.demon.co.uk> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Words that I don't understand yet want to... Message-ID: <Marcel-1.26-0910081040-bbaevuQ@aberry.demon.co.uk>
In <URL:news:local.ytsejam> on Tue 09 Sep, Shai Yallin wrote: > > Hi there all! > > Well, English ain't my first language, so I don't know the meaning > of words like: IMO, IMHO and stuff. In fact I don't think that > these are in "formal" English.
Your English seems fine to me, so I would guess you're also quite new to the internet, or at least to mailing lists or newsgroups.
The examples you give are acronyms, just like those used for DT albums and songs on this list. IMO = In My Opinion, IMHO = In My Honest/Humble Opinion. There are others, but I won't bother cluttering up this list with them. If you have web access I expect you can find lists of them through Yahoo.
HTH! (hope this helps)
Cheers, -- +--Andrew Berry (webmaster, Metal Links) ----------------------------------+ | 4700 links to metal pages - http://www.aberry.demon.co.uk/metallinks/ | +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | "Anger looks on the quiet dreaming - seals the sense incandescent ones. | | All remains of the glowing embers is a bleak cold irrelevance." | +-------------------------------------------------- - Paradise Lost ------+
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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 08:40:26 -0400 From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Nasty-ass formatting, more on rating CD shops Message-ID: <199709101240.IAA30145@ia.cs.wm.edu>
> From: Jay Omega <jw@winternet.com> > Subject: Sony, Rant 1, Rant 2, Scoring Record stores, King Crimson > > On the other hand, when I bought my stereo I auditioned some nice > sony stuff against some similarily-priced Onkyo stuff. Onkyo put > DT in the room with me. Sony put them across the street. :(
As my mother would say, when I'm on my Sony cordless phone, I sound like I'm "underwater, in a closet, in the back of the house, under something heavy, behind a lead shield." That's the last Sony product I bought.
> D-Man, your new mail program sucks eggs. Nice formatting. :) > Let me guess; is it a Microsoft product?
Oh, have a *little* faith, Jay. :) No, it's this program for Linux called exmh, which is really kinda neat. The thing is, the only posts that looked like that were sent from this one particular workstation, so we'll see if this one looks any better. /me crosses his fingers.
> See? And Progfest (or was it progday?) is in North Carolina. Nuts.
Totally nuts. (It was ProgDay.) I don't think that there are any regions that are better for prog than others (except maybe NY, LA, and SF) - we're pretty much the minority everywhere.
> I futher propose one point for a clued-in sales clerk, and minus one > for the terminally un-clued. Case in point: I tried to special-order
Oh, what a great point. I can't believe I forgot this. I went to a chain store on LI a few weeks ago and was surprised to see a long-haired guy working there. (Not a hippie long-hair, mind you, but a metal-lookin' long-hair.) So, I asked if the store had heard anything about any DT singles on sale, and he said, "No, but FII will be out on Sep. 23rd, and I can't wait!"
I almost fell over. This guy was worth at *least* two points.
> a copy of Marillion's at-the-time-new album, "Made Again," since I didn't > think Musicland in Grand Forks would be getting a copy for the shelves. > I was told by the clerk that they would be getting a large number of the > band's new one in (color me shocked!), but that I had the title wrong > (what?)... "it's called 'Smells Like Children.'" Augh!
Ouch! You ever go into a store, pick the obviously least-clued-in clerk and ask for shit like Lemur Voice, Anacrusis, and other cool stuff that no one can spell, just to see what the guy does?
Oh, here's a horror story for ya. Just the other day, I was in a CD shop here in Wmsbg when I started humming along with the PA music. Lo and behold it was "Force Ten" by Rush. So, I go to the nearest clerk, holding two damned Rush cd's in my hand, and say, "Hey, who picks the music that gets played on the PA?" The guy says to me, "Oh, it's just the tape that the parent company sends us, and we have to play it till we get sick of it." My roommate took one look at my eyes and started figuring out where to raise the bail money.
He got at least -1 point.
~D-Man likes Eckie's .sig
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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 15:00:02 +0200 From: "Neil Gallop" <nga@software-ag.de> To: "The Ytsejam Crowd" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Random head farts Message-ID: <9709101306.AA10624@server3.software-ag.de>
Hi all
recently some people have been claiming to be "a big Rush fan", or "a huge Dream Theater fan". How big is big? 6 feet 10 inches, 250 pounds? Isn't English a wonderful language (almost as much fun as German).
Would I be right in assuming that NFL is a track on the forthcoming album by Dream Theater?
Elektra have been rightly bashed for not promoting the new album and for not keeping their web site up to date. To compensate for this, here are a couple of my favourite record companies that have excellent and up to date sites. Warning: visiting these sites can get expensive!
http://www.centurymedia.com/default.cfm http://www.earache.com/contents.html http://www.nuclearblast.de http://www.peaceville.com
stay safe and happy listening Neil Gallop (nga@software-ag.de) Currently playing: Left Hand Solution - Fevered
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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 14:05:28 +0100 (BST) From: Graham Borland <gborland@apsoft.co.uk> To: YtseJam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Official statement regarding UK release? Message-ID: <Marcel-1.26-0910130528-b49rZWN@mor.apsoft.co.uk>
This is an official plea for help!
Can anyone in direct contact with the band or their management confirm (or deny) beyond any doubt that their will be a proper UK release for FII sometime this month?
I know Skadz posted saying Mike Portnoy thinks it's the same date worldwide . . . but I remain unconvinced, since no record shop has any information on it whatsoever. Besides, EastWest UK don't even list DT as one of their artists (have a look at http://www.eastwest.co.uk).
D-Man? Mike Bahr? Neil Elliot? Anyone?
I promise I won't clutter the jam with this any more.
Graham
-- Graham Borland Email : gborland@apsoft.co.uk WWW : http://www.apsoft.co.uk Alternative Publishing Ltd Tel : 0141 418 0881 30 Clyde Place, Glasgow G5 8AQ Fax : 0141 418 0889
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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 09:26:59 -0400 From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Inside Information on David Prater Message-ID: <3416A023.8D5DB45C@caribe.net>
Dr. Mosh wrote:
> Yeah well... > > I don't think Prater is all that good... you can't hear the bass on any > of his productions, even though they ARE clear... he always has the bass > and bass drum way off presence. > > -The Doc >
yep..youre right...I&W gets real muddy if you turn it up ... even in a hi-end system.. i agree on the bass too.. but the bass drum in I&W is *super* out there...if you put TTT on a home theatre system or a good stereo with a nice subwoofer...you can feel the goddamn double bass pattern of the chorus on yourself.. jeje...same with UAGM ...but i still dont like praters production..i would love to hear I&W with the production from awake...i bet ppl would think it would sound less 80's...cuz triggers and the vocal sound for labrie (i dont know how to call it...chorused??) sound very 80'
Carpe Diem...Seize the Day... Dream Theater: A Change of Seasons http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro mailto:calfaro@caribe.net mailto:progboy@mindless.com Universal Internet Number (ICQ) 1254229
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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 10:09:30 -0400 From: Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Album Production Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970910100930.009ba620@sol.eng.fore.com>
> >In other songs, there's some very dense Floydian sections that just >sound very trippy and laid-back. Listen to the beginning of Hell's >Kitchen. The music makes you feel almost drowsy (A real good band can >
Ionian, Dorian, Phyrigian, Lydian, Mixolydian, Aeolian, Locrian, Floydian?
KAI
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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 10:19:49 -0400 From: Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Help me find this Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970910101949.00fa9b40@sol.eng.fore.com>
At 12:14 AM 9/10/97 -0700, you wrote: > > I am desperately looking for a cd and was wondering if anyone has it or >knows someone who does who would be willing to sell. It is by a band called >"Lillian Axe" and the cd is called "All's Fair In Love & War". The disc is >out of print everywhere and I need it. If anyone can help please email me
Actually, the title of the album is just "Love and War", but there is a song on it called "All's Fair in Love and War." I'm also looking for it on CD, although I have two cassettes of it.
KAI
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