YTSEJAM Digest 2959
Today's Topics:
1) Prog webring again
by NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@wezl.org>
2) layering
by "Zaphod Beeblebrox" <woot@crypted.com>
3) Damn, couldn't get to the guys...
by Marcelo Vanzin <vanzin@geocities.com>
4) Heard that the new savatage bites
by "Dusty Vestal" <vestal@mail.iex.net>
5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2958
by Eric Herrmann <eric.herrmann@rocketmail.com>
6) SAVATAGE IN CONNECTICUT!!!
by MTeiper@aol.com
7) lyrics..(no debate)
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
8) Kaz, keyboards om Awake
by ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
9) Bozzio drum clinic.
by "Syrinx" <syrinx@mindspring.com>
10) production, yadda-yadda-yadda
by ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
11) Re: Album Production
by Jon Dery <metropolis@net1plus.com>
12) Re: Damn, couldn't get to the guys...
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
13) Wow again.
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
14) DT kicks ass in S. Florida
by Elliott Kim <ekim@gate.net>
15) Re: Album Production
by Jon Dery <metropolis@net1plus.com>
16) 'Tage
by "W. Brian Henderson" <hender@wam.umd.edu>
17) Re: One More Thing...Clark Abel
by JamesAhab@aol.com
18) Re: hmmm...
by JamesAhab@aol.com
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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 19:16:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@wezl.org>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Prog webring again
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.970910191610.12274G-100000@infinite.wezl.org>
Oh yeah, if anyone is on other progressive mailing lists...send out my
E-mail address so we can get more bands involved!
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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 17:35:55 -0600
From: "Zaphod Beeblebrox" <woot@crypted.com>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: layering
Message-ID: <199709102339.RAA03508@mailmx.micron.net>
>Think
>about the
>guitar layering on I&W with the electrics and acoustics, then compare with
>the tones
>on Awake.
I'm not sure if much of this was done, but during the "chromatic maelstrom"
in CiaW I know that whole thing was played numerous times, once normal,
once with the bass up and the treble down, once with the treble up and bass
down, etc... If you listen you can clearly hear all the different parts.
woot
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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 20:01:36 -0300
From: Marcelo Vanzin <vanzin@geocities.com>
To: Freaks R Us <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Damn, couldn't get to the guys...
Message-ID: <33F23CD0.ECFA7C6A@geocities.com>
Hey there jammanoids!
I went downtown today with the idea of meeting the guys and gettind my
CD booklets signed by them, but...
Hell!!! I never saw that many people in the same place!!! It was
crowded like never before (I go there pretty often to buy CD's)... And
the guys did not stay much time (about an hour), and the police's
attempts to "organize" everything just screwed it all up.
Well, I can't say it was all a worthless evening... =) I could at least
see them (John Petrucci, apparently, did not show up... and yes, Mike
Portnoy has cut his hair up to his shoulders, and has some blonde
"stripes" on it... =) ), and, in the meantime, bought Time Machine's
"Project: Time Scanning" (that I'm listening to know... a cool album,
some nice riffs, but the vocals aren't nearly as good as in their second
album "Act II: Galileo". If you like the band, and don't own this album,
it's worth a try... the songs are a bit heavier than in the other two
albuns, but there's still a hard prog influence).
Now for the shows tomorrow and Friday! Wait for the tons of reviews
we'll be providing you. =)
Hope I can still get tickets for Portnoy's workshop on Saturday...
-- []'s /**********************************************\ |* Marcelo Vanzin *| |* vanzin@geocities.com *| |* http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/6308/ *| \**********************************************/------------------------------
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 05:58:14 +0000 From: "Dusty Vestal" <vestal@mail.iex.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Heard that the new savatage bites Message-ID: <199709102352.RAA01884@mail.iex.net>
jammers, I'm a HUGE savatage fan, but I'm kind of feeling ill in my stomach after hearing two bad reviews of the new savatage, and this is by "savatage fans". They say that it starts off promising then just falls flat, and that "Dead Winter Dead" was much better. They say that Zach does too much shouting as opposed to singing. Oh well, I will buy it anyway and judge myself, but I hate getting down by bad reviews.........Take Care.............Dusty
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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 17:10:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Eric Herrmann <eric.herrmann@rocketmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2958 Message-ID: <19970911001005.18372.rocketmail@web2.rocketmail.com>
hi there
I went to hardradio web site to download the three DT songs. But I NEED YOUR HELP : If I click on a link I can listen to the song (by streaming) but I cannot save it on my HD ? So how can I do that ??? Thanks
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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 20:11:33 -0400 (EDT) From: MTeiper@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: SAVATAGE IN CONNECTICUT!!! Message-ID: <970910195216_-1735402810@emout08.mail.aol.com>
Hey!
GREAT news... as some of you may already know from www.savatage.com, the mighty 'Tage is playing 3 warm-up gigs on the east coast before heading across the ocean to Europe for their "Wake Of Magellan" tour. Opening night is a mere 2.5 hours from my apartment in Danbury, CT at the Tuxedo Junction on October 16! I am stoked... they are number 1 currently on my list of bands that I haven't seen live yet and desperately want to! :-) Apparently, this is a great club for live music (something like 950 capacity). I miraculously have found the web page for the club featuring upcoming gigs and directions to the place. In case anyone is interested:
http://www.moonsite.com/tuxedo/
I also checked out TicketBastard today, and the concert is in the system. $10 per ticket (plus the arm and a leg surcharge). I picked up 2 for me and my old man. (Can U believe it? :-D) Anywayz, just wanted to let you all know about the gig! :-)
Oh yeah... as someone mentioned recently, Metal Edge has a big 5-page feature with Dream Theater this month. Cool photos too!
That's all 4 now... Laterz! Matt T.
NP: APSoG
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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 20:27:37 -0400 From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: lyrics..(no debate) Message-ID: <34173AF9.BAC0D052@caribe.net>
I was wondering if someone with a promo copy..or someone who can understand the lyrics well enough can either post them or send em privately to me..im especially interested on the ones for take away my pain and Peruvian skies i wanna show someone the ones for TAMP thanx in advance
--
Carpe Diem...Seize the Day... Dream Theater: A Change of Seasons http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro mailto:calfaro@caribe.net mailto:progboy@mindless.com Universal Internet Number (ICQ) 1254229
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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 21:08:24 -0400 From: ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack) To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Kaz, keyboards om Awake Message-ID: <19970911011243.AAB14670@sni.pananet.com>
Anybody heard of a band called Kaz? or Kas, don't know the spelling. Supposedly they're gonna play in Panama next month, and it's being advertised as 'the first international progressive rock concert in Panama'. Just wondering because I've never heard of them. Since they're playing here, I'm guessing they're from South or Central America.
And opening is a national band called Equinox...never heard of them..hope they're good:)
And about Awake and Keyboards...boy you ppl seem to be phsycic, knowing how KevMo felt and all. They way I see it, the reason Awake sounds so guitar heavy is because of the mixing. The keyboards are mixed very low. When i think of Awake, '7-string guitar' comes to mind, but when I hear it, i realize there's a lot of cool keyboard playing. Heck, the FIRST and LAST songs are packed. What made me realize this was listening to the TLF studio version. The solo at the beginning is mixed so low...you can still hear it, but it's too low for a solo.
And remember that we don't know exactly when this material was written. Remember the intro to 'The Mirror' was already being played on the I&W tour. I also have a boot with them jamming on the 6:00 riff also on that tour (maybe the jam that spawned 6:00?). I think Kevin's decision came towards the end of the recording, but i wouldn't know.
The point is that is that there *is* a lot of keyboards there, just not prominently mixed. So don't blame kevin, don't blame John...blame the producer (as usual):)
Ernesto
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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 22:22:16 -0400 From: "Syrinx" <syrinx@mindspring.com> To: "A Ytse Besides Itself" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Bozzio drum clinic. Message-ID: <199709110225.WAA01434@brickbat9.mindspring.com>
This was in rec.music.progressive today.
mike.
-----Original Message----- ]From: mathias thallmayer <mathias@tarkus.ocis.temple.edu> Newsgroups: rec.music.progressive Date: Wednesday, September 10, 1997 8:08 PM Subject: Bozzio drum clinic. (SE PA USA)
Terry Bozzio will doing a drum clinic in Southeastern Pennsylvania. Here are the details:
October 12th at 5 PM Sam Ash Music 139 East DeKalb Pike King Of Prussia, Pennsylvania (610) 265-6444
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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 21:50:45 -0400 From: ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack) To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: production, yadda-yadda-yadda Message-ID: <19970911015553.AAA19973@sni.pananet.com>
> would love to hear I&W with the production from awake...i bet ppl would think it > would sound less 80's...cuz triggers and the vocal sound for labrie (i dont know > how to call it...chorused??) sound very 80' >
they were doubled...i.e. he sang everything twice.
>Okay, I can totally see your point of view on the triggers and the dynamics of >the production. However, I still believe that the production style for I&W >fit DT >the best. It had a really hi-tech, glossy, slick sound to it that totally >compliments
ok, i guess it's subjective, but i hate hi-tech glossy productions. I like hearing the snare sound like a snare...not like a shotgun. And the recording should sound more or less how the band sounds live..not adding to it and maiking it sound puffy. Why? Well first time i heard PMU off of LATM (on the radio) my first reaction was that they sucked live. But it was just that it sounded so 'raw' in comparison to I&W, that i thought the performance was bad. Boy was I wrong:)
>Dream Theater's remarkable musician/craftmanship. I disagree that DT got more > experimental in the studio with Awake. >Awake is a great sounding album, but it seems that it was approached with more >of a documentative production style - capturing the band live. I really see no >evidence of any kind of experimentation in the studio for Awake. Think
Well, I was referring to FII. Both Awake and I&W sound pretty standard through-out..since they did the 'each-instruments-lays-down-all-the-tracks-one-at-a-time' method. But JP did do a lot of experimineting w/ sounds on Awake (he said it in an interview ). But it's like they had their 'formulas' for parts. Like " ok hear's a clean part, let's averdub an acoustic", etc...
Ernesto
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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 22:59:07 -0400 From: Jon Dery <metropolis@net1plus.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Album Production Message-ID: <34175E7B.2F59@net1plus.com>
Eric Rodger wrote:
> >> Ionian, Dorian, Phyrigian, Lydian, Mixolydian, Aeolian, Locrian, > >> Floydian? > >> > >> KAI
>BTW, are my spellings of the modes correct?
Almost. You mispelled Phrygian :-).
Take care. (BTW don't worry I mispelled Aeolean for years!)
~-~Jon Dery~-~
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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 00:24:04 -0300 (EST) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Damn, couldn't get to the guys... Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.970911001802.7640C-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Wed, 10 Sep 1997, Marcelo Vanzin wrote:
> Hey there jammanoids! > > I went downtown today with the idea of meeting the guys and gettind my > CD booklets signed by them, but...
Well, just to give some background to the people here, Dream Theater was here in Brazil (Sao Paulo), signing some stuff...
> Hell!!! I never saw that many people in the same place!!! It was > crowded like never before (I go there pretty often to buy CD's)... And
I never thought Dream TheatRe :-) were so popular here... I was really impressed.
> the guys did not stay much time (about an hour), and the police's > attempts to "organize" everything just screwed it all up.
I couldn't agree any more with you. Remember my comment about those military guys? :-)
> Well, I can't say it was all a worthless evening... =) I could at least
Not worthless for me. :-) I got some of the new songs and "Lines in the Sand" is the song I've been waiting for (it *HAS* that Images & Words feel! WOW!!!!)
> see them (John Petrucci, apparently, did not show up... and yes, Mike > Portnoy has cut his hair up to his shoulders, and has some blonde > "stripes" on it... =) ), and, in the meantime, bought Time Machine's
Well, let's omit our comments about Portnoy's hair (or not)? :-)
> Now for the shows tomorrow and Friday! Wait for the tons of reviews > we'll be providing you. =)
> Hope I can still get tickets for Portnoy's workshop on Saturday...
Ok. We didn't talk to the guys, but it was very nice, wasn't it? :-)
[]s, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 00:28:30 -0300 (EST) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Wow again. Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.970911002516.7640E-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
Well, I never thought that my comments about the keyboards on Images and Words and Awake would generate such a huge amount of messages on production... :-)
But "Lines in the Sand" is very, very, very, very good. Can you guess how much I love this song? :-)
And just as a side note: I definitely *don't* think that "Take Away My Pain" is happy. Man, it is incredibly sad. Or my reasoning is twisted (it is possible :-) ).
[]s, Roger...
P.S.: My back hurts. :-(
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 23:34:55 -0400 From: Elliott Kim <ekim@gate.net> To: The Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: DT kicks ass in S. Florida Message-ID: <199709110334.XAA160068@osage.gate.net>
The local rock station, 94.9 WZTA has a feature called the "Battle Royal" every weeknight at 11. 2 songs, 2 bands, 1 winner based on listener's votes.
"Burning My Soul" has won 4 nights in a row!!!! Listen and vote (the phone number to vote is a 1-800-749-9490, it's free!). You can listen through the web page via RealAudio. http://www.949zeta.com.
-- Elliott Kim -- ekim@gate.net -- e-man@dreamt.org --
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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 23:34:04 -0400 From: Jon Dery <metropolis@net1plus.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Album Production Message-ID: <341766AC.1868@net1plus.com>
Jon Dery wrote: > > Eric Rodger wrote: > > > >> Ionian, Dorian, Phyrigian, Lydian, Mixolydian, Aeolian, Locrian, > > >> Floydian? > > >> > > >> KAI > > >BTW, are my spellings of the modes correct? > > Almost. You mispelled Phrygian :-). > > Take care. > (BTW don't worry I mispelled Aeolean for years!) > > ~-~Jon Dery~-~
Oops! He he he. Good thing I caught that this soon. For those of you who didn't realize it: I just mispelled AEOLIAN. I can just see you guys saying "What the hell's wrong with that dumb ass?" I could pose the argument that I was hammered while I posted it... but it wouldn't be true. I was completely sober.
Stupidly yours, ~-~Jon Dery~-~
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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 00:22:28 -0400 From: "W. Brian Henderson" <hender@wam.umd.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: 'Tage Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19970911002228.00697e14@pop.wam.umd.edu>
>Ok, Savatage will be playing three US dates before heading off for >Europe. The Oct 17th show is at the Birch Hill(oh no!). The other two >are in the northeast, but I forget where. Check out the Savatage page >for details... http://www.savatage.com That URL is really hard to >remember sometimes. ;)
So I checked out the link, and found that Savatage is playing Jaxx on the 18th. Yahoo Map informed me that the place is only about a half-hour from where I sit here in College Park, Maryland. Sit stranded, I might add. This sucks, not having a car!
Just wanted to complain, as usual...
Brian Henderson hender@wam.umd.edu
"Huh? Kiss my McNugget!" -- Thing-Fish
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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 00:32:11 -0400 (EDT) From: JamesAhab@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: One More Thing...Clark Abel Message-ID: <970911003031_1146125900@emout13.mail.aol.com>
I don't have the 'Jam in which you said it so I can't cut-and-paste, but I don't care if you give your opinion and it is against Dream Theater or negative towards ANYthing, but have something to back it up, is all, instead of a few lines.
"Mirror, mirror, please look inside Do you see the reasons that we sin?"
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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 00:55:14 -0400 (EDT) From: JamesAhab@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: hmmm... Message-ID: <970911005513_-1031001131@emout16.mail.aol.com>
>< The style of the keyboards has also changed brutally, drastically (just compare the piano style of the Images and Words songs and the style of keyboards on Awake and you'll also see I what I mean). ><
It's still there...maybe not as much as I&W, but very noticeable on songs like Space-Dye Vest and some parts of Voices.
>< You can notice that as the time passed Dream Theater became more and more guitar oriented (*maybe* with a "domination" -- I don't know if this is the correct word here -- of John Petrucci over the band member). ><
I wouldn't go that far...just look at, again, Space-Dye Vest as well as Lifting Shadows, The Mirror, and 6:00, among others, which have equal part keyboard. However, for argument's sake, John Petrucci is, arguably (I think...), the best musician in Dream Theater. He's their "crown jewel" (not to take away from the others), so why not show it off?
>< You know, I hear Dream Theater because I want to hear what each member is contributing to the song. This *doesn't* mean that I like each artist separately from the others, not as a band. This *does* mean that I appreciate what each member contributes to the whole song and what the song sounds like as a composition of many parts working together. ><
Then it would make more sense for you to not like I&W for this reason. After all, you've got songs like Wait For Sleep and the beginning and endings of Surrounded in which all you hear is keyboards and vocals. Awake may be more guitar-oriented, and only for a few songs, but at least it doesn't forget the other instruments, and I think they all stand out ('cept bass, which never does).
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