YTSEJAM Digest 2976
Today's Topics:
1) FW opening for DT?????
by "Carlo D'Angelo" <helstar@earthlink.net>
2) Guitar and Petrucci
by "Rainer" <rpandean@mail.usyd.edu.au>
3) WFS, FII review, ANM, cuss words
by ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
4) Re: .02 cents
by ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
5) Got my advance copy of FII... sort of ;)
by "sykes" <sykes@inwave.com>
6) backing vocals and chapman stick
by "The Artist Formerly Known As woot" <woot@crypted.com>
7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2975
by Shane Liebling <jusenkyo@uclink4.berkeley.edu>
8) Another One Bites The Dust...
by Lobsterback <hender@wam.umd.edu>
9) Whiny-Weenie
by Lobsterback <hender@wam.umd.edu>
10) Re: Another One Bites The Dust...
by Mike Jones <mgjones@mcs.net>
11)
by JB <beamup@vt.edu>
12) NO DTC (SORRY) PARTHA PLEASE READ!
by "John R. Kotzian" <koggie@cyberspace.org>
13) other stuff
by JB <beamup@vt.edu>
14) JLB...
by djw_at_neon@smtpgate.walker.com
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Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 22:38:38 -0400
From: "Carlo D'Angelo" <helstar@earthlink.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: FW opening for DT?????
Message-ID: <341F42AE.6577@earthlink.net>
I just read this in the FW newsgroup.
> Hi everyone
>
> I have a buddy who owns a prog metal store here in
> dallas, and he received a call from his Metal Blade connection
> last night with the news that Fates will be opening for DT
> on their upcoming US Tour... Just thought y'all might be
> interested... Sorry if this is old news to y'all.
Anyone else hear about this?! Damn I hope this is true..mainly cuz I
know that FATES will be playing a lot better venues (remember the Lodown
fiasco...what a nightmare!)
Although it should be DT opening for FATES.
cheers,
Carlo (aka Fates)
--
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"When you know that your time is close at hand |__ __|
maybe then you'll begin to understand | |
Life down here is just a strange illusion." | |
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--IRON MAIDEN (Hallowed Be Thy Name)
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Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 12:42:06 +1000
From: "Rainer" <rpandean@mail.usyd.edu.au>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Guitar and Petrucci
Message-ID: <199709170241.MAA28190@extra.ucc.su.OZ.AU>
Just interested in knowing how many guitar players there are on this list.
Seems like most subscribers are keyboard or bass players. What do you guys
think of Petrucci's guitar style? I think on Awake he finally discovered
his own unique guitar style (on Images and Words he sounded like a
combination of his influences). However it is a little hard not to think of
Alex Lifeson when someone plays those suspended open string chords.
See ya,
Rainer
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Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 21:44:53 -0400
From: ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: WFS, FII review, ANM, cuss words
Message-ID: <19970917014106.AAA19846@sni.pananet.com>
> WFS is one of the most beautiful pieces of music that DT has ever
> composed (IMHO). I replay the track over and over before hitting LTL
> which is a great track as well. But just one question...Why is it that
> for the three versions I have heard on bootlegs, it is never played as
Well, those versions seem to be recorded while they were still looking for
KevMo's replacement, because there are zero keyboards in there. I don't
think they've played WFS on stage since Kev left (I could be wrong). In any
case, they play with piano on LiT, only that at the end the whole band
comes in, but other than that, it's pretty fauithful to the original
(actually a lot better, IMO there's a lot more emotion coming through.
>For those who want to read a fairly short review of FII goto:
>http://www.westnet.com/consumable/1997/09.15/revdream.html
I went to read that review, and something that was said there by DT caught
my attention: The stuff on I&W was written over ten years ago. Wow, has it
been that long? I recommend everybody to read that review, it's pretty
cool.
>Is it just me, or does the intro to ANM remind you of
>the theme music to a PBS "science & technology" show? ;)
You know, now that you mention it, it actually does:)
>The only thing that I don't like about Spock's Beard is their choice of
>words on the first album. One song is called FU and contains the word
>"fuck" about 10-12 times. This bugs me (even though the vocal melody by
>which it is sung and music is great). I hate to hear prog groups use
words
I know what you mean, but I really don't mind that if its used the right
way. In that song, he's letting out frustations...the kind that make you
go 'Fuck You' to the rest of the world. And it seems to me thats the best
way of evoking that. All i know, is that when i listen to that song
(including the 'I'm Sorry' part) it makes me think of all those times i've
hurt somebody I've cared about by not controlling my frustrations.
Another perfect example, is (yet again i bring up that band known as,)
Tool's 'Ænema'. I don't know if you've heard it, but it says 'fuck' a
considerate amount of times. And you know what? If you remove that word
from the song, you lose the whole point. This song i can relate to myself,
because i've often thought to myself: 'God, this world sucks. I can't stand
it. I wish it'd all go away'. And that song just evokes those feelings
impressively.
To summarize, I agree with you that using cuss words all the time is
stupid, but sometimes, 'fuck' is the only word that'll truly express what
you feel. And there's nothing wrong with using a word used in everyday
language...as long as you use it at the right time.
Or just read what it says on the sticker on my 'The Light' CD:
Warning: This CD containd the F#$% word. If you are offended by this, you
are very sad, and should not buy this fine CD.
:))
Besides, this goes for real life too. I generally don't cuss much (no,
really:) ) but sometimes, when something really gets too me, i just let it
out. And I don't think there's anybody that doesn't do that every once in
a while. No one is above cuss words:)
Ernesto
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Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 21:55:22 -0400
From: ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: .02 cents
Message-ID: <19970917015129.AAA20089@sni.pananet.com>
> 2) Does DT sell more CDs than Angra in France?
> Maybe. Maybe not. Angra is pretty big in France. They did not play
just 7
> or 8 dates there. They played A LOT of dates in France - I don't know
which
> Angra page I saw it on, but they had more than 20 dates listed only for
France.
I'd really like to know in what context James said that. It just seems odd
to me he'd just say, " By the way, Angra only played 7 or 8 times in
France, but DT sells more records than them" That doesn't make any sense.
Could the person who originally posted that explain the whole thing a
little bit better?
Ernesto
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Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 22:00:37 -0500
From: "sykes" <sykes@inwave.com>
To: "The Ytse Jam" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Got my advance copy of FII... sort of ;)
Message-ID: <199709170258.VAA03934@iria.inwave.com>
Hey all,
well the broadcast of FII on 94.1 WJJO was cool, and I managed to get
everything on minidisc, so I now have my advance copy. Too bad there was a
thunderstorm which gave me some static during Anna Lee, but this should
tide me over until the 23rd!
Maybe with all of the support DT is getting in this area (WJJO & WMJB) they
will decide to come to Madison on their tour. I can dream can't I?
laters
-doug
| sykes@inwave.com |
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Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 21:47:36 -0600
From: "The Artist Formerly Known As woot" <woot@crypted.com>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: backing vocals and chapman stick
Message-ID: <199709170351.VAA08321@mailmx.micron.net>
Anybody notice that the vocals in hollow years sound kinda like REM? I'm
not sure if it's mike or JP or both. sounds kinda like JP.
Can somebody post a list of where on FII JM uses a stick?
It rolls down stairs
It comes not in pairs
Runs over your neighbor's foot.
It's great for a snack
And fits on your back
It's woot! woot! woot!
woot™ from Blammo!®
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Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 20:54:27 -0700
From: Shane Liebling <jusenkyo@uclink4.berkeley.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2975
Message-ID: <v03007801b044fd6e5121@[169.229.75.60]>
>I know that the music on the CD is really what matters, but the
>supposed album cover for Falling Into Infinity just doesn't cut it.
>Dream Theater's music has a certain consistency to it and so should the
>album art. If you look at Images And Words, Awake, and A Change Of
>Seasons, the album covers all three follow the same consistency in the
>style that they are done in. They should have definetley kept it that
>way. And also, where's the Dream Theater logo?! It seems that
>everybody's dropping their logos all of the sudden. Some of them being
>classics, such as the Metallica logo. To me the Dream Theater logo was
>just as important. Again, they should have kept it that way. We'll see
>on Sept. 23. Hopefully, the music will live up to the past four
>releases. By the sounds of "You Not Me", it's going to be pretty good.
I think the cover of an album is one of the most intergal parts of the
ALBUM itself. When one picks up a good album, the entirety of it as a
whole are going to lead toward a certain theme, and I am not just talking
about concept albums, though I might later. A good album is made up of
numerous parts, the music, the lyrics, the production, the booklet, etc.
But the cover is the coup de grace. With a good cover everything is
brought into focus and the true essence can be, in a sense seen in the
album in addition to being heard.
I have listened to (am listening to) the entirety of the album, and my
feelings on it are positive, but I am not writing about that here. What I
am going to try to do is explain why I feel the cover is perfect for it.
What we have here is the shot, through a pair of binoculars, looking out at
a pair of men on stands in the ocean. Firstly we have a picture of the
ocean, something that has been around longer than anything else and that
will be around longer than everything else. The sea is infinite, it is
Infinity.
Next notice and think about the viewpoint that we, as the person looking
through the binoculars, are in. If you notice, we are lower than the other
two, we are sinking lower than the two other fellows. We are falling into
the ocean. Falling Into Infinity.
Now that was just the title, next we should move onto the chosen lettering
and placement of the Majesty symbol. If you really take a look at the
lettering of Dream Theater you wil notice that except for the fact that
there are crossbars witin the A's that what we are looking at is a "fuzzy"
version of the old lettering. Which fits into what happens when you look
through binoculars. When you look through binoculars things exactly within
your field of vision are perfectly clear, but as you move out from the
center things get "fuzzier." And anything not within the viewing radius
cannot be seen, and only can be filled in by your mind.
Continuing along the same lines I would like to comment on the album
briefly. This is a new Dream Theater album, remember the NEW part. They
are doing alot of stuff with this album, all of which is only pushing them
further and further in their musical repoitoires. WDADU was made for
anyone to listen to, they needed anyone to listen. But also they new that
they were in a sense doing it just for themselves, so they did what they
wanted to, not what they thought would sell, focusing on the songs only.
I&W moved to focusing on the music, and developing an audiance (IW is still
the album that brings the most people into DT). Awake was for the fans, it
was giving us what we wanted to hear. We said to ourselves, "this is what
DT is all about man." And they knew it. DT was a feeling, a sound, etc.
in our minds and this solidified it. FII is an album returning to WDADU in
a sense. It is what they want to do now, it is focused on the songs again,
and whether or not it SOUNDS like Awake or IW doesn't matter. We will hear
it and it will get into our minds and we will know it is DT, whether the
sound is the same or not.
How does this relate? Well the DT logo is "fuzzy" and the Majesty symbol
is out of our viewing radius for a specific reason, to let our minds do the
work. DT has always been "the thinking man's music (prog at least)" and
this is a symbol of this fact. They don't have to say "Hey were DT, this
is what we sound like, watch us, listen to us, we're cool!" They just know
that we and the new people will hear it and just KNOW it is DT and love it
and take it into our hearts and minds like we have for all the other albums.
In their own words: "Close your eyes, you can find all you need in your mind."
One last comment focussing on "Just Let Me Breathe." They parody
themselves by reversing the above statement, "find all you need in your
eyes," I think it is. They just want to make sure that you know that they
can parody themselves, but can parody you if you think for some odd reason
the "sold out." (Shane physically restrains himself from going off on the
whole idea of "selling out.")
Take it easy, and everyone have some fun on the 23rd!!!!
-Shane
____________________________________________________________________________
Shane Liebling "Have you found your Buddha Nature today? - Me
jusenkyo@uclink4.berkeley.edu "Maybe there really wasn't an America, maybe
CAA Layman and Ytsejammer it was just Frank Capra." - John Cassavetes
Member of a.m.m.o. since 1997 "Mumble, mumble." - Han-shan
-------------------------------- Who am I? ---------------------------------
The short version: http://www.hotwired.com/members/profile/demolitionman/
The long version: http://www.earthlink.net/~mariachi
--------------------------- In other words, Mu. ----------------------------
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Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 00:02:17 -0400
From: Lobsterback <hender@wam.umd.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Another One Bites The Dust...
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19970917000217.006a307c@pop.wam.umd.edu>
Like many 'Jammers before me, I applied for a college radio show. WMUC,
University of Maryland, College Park's very own waste of space on the
airways - symphonies of industrial noise, the worst punk bands known to
man, and third-rate punk-ska bands straight from the garage to you, 24-7.
(Can you tell I didn't get the job?)
Anyhow, I applied for a prog/progmetal show, figuring, hey, college radio's
about diversity, right? I checked out the webpage and found they didn't
have any shows of the sort, and I figured it to be a good sign. Wrong.
Here's the reply I just got.
>hi there,
>
>some of you may have already gotten my informative message, but this one
>is on a slightly different topic. each of you applied for FM slots, but
>for the most part, alluded that you would do AM or FM. anyway, each of
>you had music preferences a bit out of our range, but if you are
>interested in doing a shift on AM despite the differences in music, you
>would be welcome to interview for a slot.
>
>another option is to train as a sub and fill in every now and then, which
>would still give you some radio experience, and be helpful if you ever
>want to reapply for FM.
>
>my office hrs for THIS WEEK:
> wednesday: 4-6
> thursday: 2-5
>
>please let me know if you're interested, or if you have any questions.
>rachel
>
> <>><<>><<>><<>><<>><<>><<>><<>><<>><<>><<>><<>><>><<<>
> Rachel A. Weintraub raw@wmuc.umd.edu
> Assistant Program Director, 650 WMUC AM
> Check out WMUC's Web Page: www.wmuc.umd.edu
> <>><<>><<>><<>><<>><<>><<>><<>><<>><<>><<>><<>><<>>
"...music preferences a bit out of our range..." That's the part that
pisses me off the most. It's a f'n free-form radio station! The point is
that there's *NO* format! Well, I can think of one word to describe these
high-and-mighty-jocks and it rhymes with shipocrytes... I can think of a
lot of words to describe 'em, actually.
Anyhow, I'm thinking about doing the sub position, but I'd like to toss the
question out to the 'Jam community as a whole. What do you kids think I
should do?
AM is a structured top-40 type station, btw.
Brian "Pent-Up-Rage" Henderson
hender@wam.umd.edu
"I am a hollow-ween. Trouble blows through me like the wind." -- B.
Bartokamos
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Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 00:43:28 -0400
From: Lobsterback <hender@wam.umd.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Whiny-Weenie
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19970917004328.006bb074@pop.wam.umd.edu>
You know my last post? Don't go ballistic. Yet.
That was actually a letter about AM, even though I didn't sign up for it.
My apologies to all parties involved.
Brian "Didn't Read The Fine Print" Henderson
hender@wam.umd.edu
"AM... really?" -- me, five seconds ago
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Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 23:51:58 -0500 (CDT)
From: Mike Jones <mgjones@mcs.net>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Another One Bites The Dust...
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.3.95.970916233959.1418D-100000@Jupiter.Mcs.Net>
Without knowing the people there, it's hard to say. But if I had received
a message like that, I would have gone right back to the station and ask
them how they can call themselves a "free form" radio station, yet target
only a certain market. However, you can't be rude to them, or you could
kiss any chance of getting in goodbye.
I'd basically go in there an try to make a case for progressive music, and
show them that you are dead serious about it (I just don't like "no" for
an answer). Maybe (just maybe) they would consider you if they knew you
were serious about it and know your progressive music well, instead of
just some guy who wants to headbang on their radio station.
Of course, it may make no difference at all (closed minds). In that case,
if you want the experience and can stand the alternative (pun intended :),
take the sub job. At least you might be able to sneek a song in here and
there.
--
Mike Jones _______ mgjones@mcs.net _______ mike@biggorilla.com _______
"Find all you need in your mind, if you take the time" - Dream Theater
On Tue, 16 Sep 1997, Lobsterback wrote:
> "...music preferences a bit out of our range..." That's the part that
> pisses me off the most. It's a f'n free-form radio station! The point is
> that there's *NO* format! Well, I can think of one word to describe these
> high-and-mighty-jocks and it rhymes with shipocrytes... I can think of a
> lot of words to describe 'em, actually.
>
> Anyhow, I'm thinking about doing the sub position, but I'd like to toss the
> question out to the 'Jam community as a whole. What do you kids think I
> should do?
>
> AM is a structured top-40 type station, btw.
>
> Brian "Pent-Up-Rage" Henderson
> hender@wam.umd.edu
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Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 02:13:26 -0400
From: JB <beamup@vt.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19970917021326.007babd0@192.168.255.1>
>>
>>NP: Steve Stone's audition to "Metropolis" from "Antiquities" (Thank God
they
>>picked James!!!!)
>>
>Hey, you don't have to thank God. He was not involved in the selection
>process :-). It was DT (that's almost the same, right?), they simply knew
>what was best for them and it shows.
well.. just imagine if Labrie's demo tape had arrived a week later than it
did... they would have already agreed to sign someone else... and there
would have been no "selection" with James involved... if there is a divine
intervention here, I'm glad it happened... :)
Sometimes you just have to *shudder* at the "2nd best choices"....
Jason
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notes from the desk of Virginia Tech
Jason Brindel Computer EngIneering
(540) 961-7262 & VT a cappella
beamup@vt.edu (JUXTAPOSITION)
www.vt.edu:10021/B/beamup www.vt.edu:10021/org/juxtap
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*CD currently playing - "JUXTAPOSITION - Assume the Position"*
-=plug-=plug=- email me if you want one!! -=plug-=plug=-
ALBUM #2 Is currently In production!
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Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 02:21:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: "John R. Kotzian" <koggie@cyberspace.org>
To: ytsejam@ax.com (Explore The Boundries)
Subject: NO DTC (SORRY) PARTHA PLEASE READ!
Message-ID: <199709170621.CAA24977@grex.cyberspace.org>
Partha,
I need your new email address. I seem to have misplaced it.
--
koggie@cyberspace.org is John R. Kotzian
Check out the Elsinore homepage @ http://falcon.ic.net/~lloyd/page17.html
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Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 02:35:24 -0400
From: JB <beamup@vt.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: other stuff
Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19970917023524.007ba600@192.168.255.1>
>And also, where's the Dream Theater logo?! It seems that
>everybody's dropping their logos all of the sudden. Some of them being
>classics, such as the Metallica logo. To me the Dream Theater logo was
>just as important. Again, they should have kept it that way. We'll see
well, it's hard to see on the pix (on the net) right now, but if you have
either
1)gotten the album (*grin*), 2) printed it out or 2) gotten the postcard,
you can
see the faint image of a majesty logo in the bottom center of the picture.
Dark
Blue logo on a black background... so very hard to see, but there for the
optically
trained DT fan to recognize...
>Falling Into Infinity will be played in its entirety. I think I just had a
>moment. :-) BMS is on right now! :-) I'll have to talk to the Program
>Director, and ask what made him want to play the whole thing at such a
>prime time... must be the Jammers... :-)
yep... I just played it here for the college station in its entirety on
tuesday early
morning radio... (sux that all "heavy" music shows are limited to after
midnight)...
so those who stayed up from 2-4am, got to hear me play the whole thing... the
album IMO is awesome.... LitS and TAMP have to be my early favorites...
Hollow Years is a close 2nd....
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notes from the desk of Virginia Tech
Jason Brindel Computer EngIneering
(540) 961-7262 & VT a cappella
beamup@vt.edu (JUXTAPOSITION)
www.vt.edu:10021/B/beamup www.vt.edu:10021/org/juxtap
FM 90.7 WUVT DJ (Tuesday mornings : 2-4am -- "The Dream Vault")
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New Dream Theater CD, "Falling Into Infinity" releases Sept. 23!!!!!
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"You took away my hero, will you take away my pain?
Take away my pain, let the cold inside,
it's time to let it rain .... .... I'm learning to survive,
without you in my life, till you come knocking at my door."
-Take away my Pain (Dream Theater)
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Date: Wed, 17 Sep 97 08:29:33 -0800
From: djw_at_neon@smtpgate.walker.com
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: JLB...
Message-ID: <9709178744.AA874482075@smtpgate.walker.com>
Hi,
Whenever there's a thread slagging JLB I always think - stay out of
it, don't encourage it etc... - but I can't. He seems quite open and
honest about DT's push to become more popular, commercial even, and
he's not afraid to admit that they want to grab a slice of the
Floyd/Rush market. Do some of you jammers think that, perhaps, he is
spearheading their "more commercial" direction? Just a thought on why
some people may not like him at the moment.
I have only heard YNM so far (and that's the way I want it to stay -
I want that "whole new CD to look forward to" feel when I finally get
it). If YNM is the most commercial on the CD - I can't wait - I know
I'm gonna love it! Whoever was raving about "Where are you Now" not
making the cut - I can't believe it either.
I finally got to hear "Eve" and "To Live Forever" - I must say that
TLF may well be my fave DT song ever...er...it rocks..!
Was there a 2973 Jam? - if so I didn't get it.
Dave (a UK Jammer).
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