YTSEJAM Digest 2978
Today's Topics:
1) Guitar Magazine to feature John Petrucci
by Jon Dery <metropolis@net1plus.com>
2) stick
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
3) Re: UNCLASSIFIED:-Shadow Gallery
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
4) FII lyrics
by Peter <mrbungle@speed.eik.bme.hu>
5) Another guitar player's opinion on JP
by CLARK ABEL <99ABEL@alma.edu>
6) Where Are you now vs Anna lee
by Eric Desobe <edesobe@emory.edu>
7) Italy release
by David Di Tivoli <dream@pronet.it>
8) "being open minded is good, but not so much that your brains fall out"
by "The Artist Formerly Known As woot" <woot@crypted.com>
9) Promo copies of FII - $5
by <CNG@tcco.com> "Chung Ng"
10) naughty words
by "The Artist Formerly Known As woot" <woot@crypted.com>
11) Geoff Tate
by Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
12) Rare Tracks
by "Emerson, Michael" <memerson@mail.PWCG.com>
13) Seven Wonders
by <CNG@tcco.com> "Chung Ng"
14) Long Time No Spew
by Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
15) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2977
by Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
16) Stick.
by Alexandre Lymberopoulos <lymber@ime.usp.br>
17) To Live Forever...
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
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Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 11:05:16 -0400
From: Jon Dery <metropolis@net1plus.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Guitar Magazine to feature John Petrucci
Message-ID: <341FF1AC.2A52@net1plus.com>
In further trying to help DT get some exposure, I e-mailed Guitar
Magazine and got this as a reply:
Guitarmag@aol.com wrote:
> Thanks for the note, Jon. John Petrucci invited us into the studio to
> talk about the new album as they were wrapping up final mixes. Exec
> Editor Jon Chappell (how many Jons/Johns can we fit in one e-mail?)
> conducted the interview, and it's a feature in our November issue,
> which hits the stands 9/30. Hope you enjoy the piece.
>
> Thanks also for your comments on the issues. I always welcome the > feedback, good or bad. ____Rich Maloof
Not too shabby, huh?
~-~Jon Dery~-~
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Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 11:29:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: stick
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970917112801.28038C-100000@reagan>
Ok, for the non-musician, what the hell is a stick?
D-man:your sig still looks like crap. I think you need to remove a
character from each line.
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| Pat Daugherty pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com |
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| "Every breath leaves me one less to my last" --Dream Theater |
| New Dream Theater-September 23, 1997 *** Washington Redskins 2-1 |
| "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" --X-Files *** Go Orioles |
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Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 12:35:05 -0300 (EST)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: UNCLASSIFIED:-Shadow Gallery
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.970917123336.1563A-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Tue, 16 Sep 1997 Graham.Boyle.149036@navy.gov.au wrote:
> LaBrie and Matos comparisons ?
> IMO in terms of voice, songwriting, lyrics, frontman, arranging Matos is
> light years ahead of LaBrie, but I enjoy them both and to compare them is
> really unfair.
And one extra piece of information: Matos is a DT fan (he was
attending DT's show) while LaBrie is putting his band down. :-)
> gRaham_
[]s, Roger
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=------------------------------
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 17:43:58 +0200 (MET DST) From: Peter <mrbungle@speed.eik.bme.hu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: FII lyrics Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.970917174316.27273A-100000@speed.eik.bme.hu>
Hi there, if you want the lyrics for FII drop me an e-mail and I send you. Now I have FII... I really like MP's lyrics for JLMB, especially the lines about Nirvana and Blind Melon: "The big machines take care of you Until you kill yourself And then the sales go through the roof Calculated, formulated Feed my head with simple thoughts And let me breathe instead of being taught All bottled up and tearing at the seams I'm bored Just let me breathe A daily dose of eMpTyV Will flush your mind right down the drain Shannon Hoon and Kurt Cobain Make yourself a household name" I would be glad for people who can put the lyrics on their web page... Cheers, Bungle
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Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 12:17:24 -0400 (EDT) From: CLARK ABEL <99ABEL@alma.edu> To: YTSEJAM@ax.com Subject: Another guitar player's opinion on JP Message-ID: <01INQYDXB8YQ9OD9VY@alma.edu>
>I am a guitar player with influences from the likes of Vai, Satch, = >morse, bettencourt, but my #1 is Petrucci. I really feel that he has a >unique sensitivity with the instrument, and i agree, Awake was his >first truely "unique" album. >I will be interested to see how many other guitarists come out of the = >woodwork.
Interesting how opinions will differ on something like this. From a pure lead standpoint, I think that JP's playing on Awake was a step down from IaW. (Only one step down from my favorite album of all time is still pretty fucking good, though). Certainly, there are high points on Awake, like the end of IF, the insane quintuplet section in Erotomania, the solos to lie. However, there are a few spots on the album that I just don't get. To this day, I still cringe when I hear the solo to Voices. Again, I think it's funny becauseI've seen other people call this their favorite JP solo of all time. But to me, the tone is totally inapropriate, and the solo itself just wanders aimlessly. The phrasing is totally straightforward, and there's not a single note that makes you sit up and say "woah, that is not what I expected". There are other spots like this on Awake, as well. IaW, on the other hand, seems to me to be much more melodic. This is true in general, but especially when it comes to lead guitar. Petrucci makes that guitar sing on Another Day, PMU, and especially the mind blowing instrumental section to LTL. LTL is a good example of what I like about his playing, because there's really no shredding to speak of. But every note is *perfect*. Not that shredding cant' be beautiful and melodic; it's just that I think there's a time and a place for it, and I like fast playing that accents a good melody. To me, this is what's missing from most of Awake. I am, of course, speaking in simplified terms for the sake of argument. I don't actually usually separate guitar playing into "shred" and "melody" in my mind. To me, they should, in a manner of speaking, be one in the same. But this is what I feel is missing from Awake. Again, this is just my opinion, and I already know that ALOT of people on this list feel exactly the opposite. I'd be interested to hear what exactly it is that people like so much about JP's lead on Awake, though. I might as well toss out a few of my favorite JP moments while I'm at it. Besides the ones I've mentioned, I love the solo to Surrounded, Under a Glass Moon, and especially, that wonderfully bluesy little thing he does at the end of TLF on LIT. Man, was he ever cooking on that. OK, I've talked about nothing for long enough. -Clark
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Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 12:34:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric Desobe <edesobe@emory.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Where Are you now vs Anna lee Message-ID: <Pine.WNT.3.95.970917123306.-407781A-100000@edesobe.resnet.emory.edu>
For those that have heard both songs, which would have rather seen on album? Personally, Where Are You Now fits better than Anna Lee, although both are catchy. AL sounds too much like the beatles and James voice is worth having Where Are You Know on the album. Take the time.
-Eric
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Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 15:50:05 +0200 From: David Di Tivoli <dream@pronet.it> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Italy release Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970917155005.0088fd10@pronet.it>
In Italy the album will be released tomorrow.....the 18 sept. I'll give you my impressions......
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Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 11:37:21 -0600 From: "The Artist Formerly Known As woot" <woot@crypted.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: "being open minded is good, but not so much that your brains fall out" Message-ID: <199709171742.LAA02867@mailmx.micron.net>
I read this quote in Carl Sagan's book "A Demon Haunted World" last night. The only reason I didn't stand up and start cheering is cause I was working in the computer lab at the time. I think this quote really expresses what I've been feeling for quite a while. In most cases I think ppl are too closed-minded, but in many cases I think there are a bunch of brains falling out. Just something to think about. Incidentally, this whole book is amazingly interesting and raises some very cool questions, especially about mainstream society and what people will do to be popular. I don't want to give examples cause I'm sure a bunch of people on here smoke, etc. (oops I just gave an example) <grin>
It rolls down stairs It comes not in pairs Runs over your neighbor's foot. It's great for a snack And fits on your back It's woot! woot! woot!
woot™ from Blammo!®
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Date: Wed, 17 Sep 97 13:41:43 EDT From: <CNG@tcco.com> "Chung Ng" To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Promo copies of FII - $5 Message-ID: <vines.3hH8+XL,6oA@tcx.tcco.com>
I picked up a few extra copies of some promo copies of the new DT "Falling Into Infinity" CD. If interested, email me back and I'll give you the details. - $5 each.
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Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 11:47:33 -0600 From: "The Artist Formerly Known As woot" <woot@crypted.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: naughty words Message-ID: <199709171751.LAA04735@mailmx.micron.net>
Brandon on swearing:
<snip>
>There is so much crap music out there; anybody can record an album of rap >music using thousands of such words and sell millions of copies. Or be >like Kiss or Motley Crue or Marilon Manson. These are the type of bands >(IMO) that have to use such generic phrases to illicit emotional response >from the listener, because their music or lyrics by themselves won't.
<snip>
I brought this subject up a while back and nobody wanted to discuss so I'll discuss it now. I agree very much with this. All the uneducated bands need to use swear words cause they can't think of anything else to say. DT on the other hand has a very good grasp on the language and therefore need not say such things. I'm not being a square either cause I just got rocked in my racketball game this morning and I was spouting fairly well, but my spouting wasn't being immortalized on a cd either (at least I hope not :) yet another "something to think about."
woot™
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Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 13:53:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Geoff Tate Message-ID: <199709171753.NAA29387@umbc8.umbc.edu>
> > I finally got to hear "Eve" and "To Live Forever" - I must say that > > TLF may well be my fave DT song ever...er...it rocks..! > > Told ya. :)
How 'bout those harmonies, Chris? :)
> before the HITNF tour in Chicago, they had a radio interview/contest, and I > sat there and laughed through most of it! (especially when the DJ got him > to say "empire")
He can still say "Empire"?
Well then, that settles it: there is NO <repeat: NO> excuse for the sequenced vocals on that song at their shows.
Steve Z
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Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 14:12:21 -0400 From: "Emerson, Michael" <memerson@mail.PWCG.com> To: Ytse Jam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Rare Tracks Message-ID: <71384B73B76AD0119FE900A024C9E09E1A0439@MAIL>
does anyone have any idea how i could go about obtaining (preferrably on CD) rare tracks (i.e.: 'Eve') and/or cd's (i.e.: the Fan Club Christmas CD (?) with the unreleased tracks from the 'Uncovered' session)?
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Date: Wed, 17 Sep 97 14:13:32 EDT From: <CNG@tcco.com> "Chung Ng" To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Seven Wonders Message-ID: <vines.3hH8+vU,6oA@tcx.tcco.com>
Between listening to "Falling Into Infinity" and my new "Seven Wonders" CDs, I'm in total heaven. Everyone else will be talking about FII, so I'll mention a few things about "Seven Wonders". In a word, it's "AWESOME". Instead of lugging my bag of CDs to work every day, I can just take along this wonderous creation. The sound is great, even through my computer speakers. I had 6 of the disks already, but it's soooo cool to have them all together.
Excellent job Ryan.
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Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 13:44:11 -0500 From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Long Time No Spew Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970917184411.00c89b48@pop.enteract.com>
>From: "Carlo D'Angelo" <helstar@earthlink.net> >Subject: FW opening for DT?????
>> Hi everyone >> >> I have a buddy who owns a prog metal store here in >> dallas, and he received a call from his Metal Blade connection >> last night with the news that Fates will be opening for DT >> on their upcoming US Tour... Just thought y'all might be >> interested... Sorry if this is old news to y'all. > >Anyone else hear about this?! Damn I hope this is true..mainly cuz I >know that FATES will be playing a lot better venues (remember the Lodown >fiasco...what a nightmare!)
It can never be again... I will NEVER see Fates and Dream Theater on the same night. That could cause a rift in the space time continuum. This was destined to be my fate, ever since the Awake tour when IME opened at the show I attended (and were quite good), but I found out that Fates was filling that slot immediately AFTER the Chicago venue! I am being punished by God, and because of this, none of you will see Fates open for Dream Theater on the upcoming tour. My apologies.
>From: "Rainer" <rpandean@mail.usyd.edu.au> >Subject: Guitar and Petrucci > >Just interested in knowing how many guitar players there are on this list.
About 800. :)
>Seems like most subscribers are keyboard or bass players. What do you guys >think of Petrucci's guitar style? I think on Awake he finally discovered >his own unique guitar style (on Images and Words he sounded like a >combination of his influences). However it is a little hard not to think of >Alex Lifeson when someone plays those suspended open string chords.
I dunno. I think it's this album where he really shows his own style. Awake was sort of "Getting there".... he didn't sound like anyone else (with a few exceptions) but he didn't sound very unique either. The solos I've heard on FII are what officially seperate him from the realm of guitar wankmanship. He's gettin' damn good.... :)
>From: ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack) >Subject: Re: .02 cents
>I'd really like to know in what context James said that. It just seems odd >to me he'd just say, " By the way, Angra only played 7 or 8 times in >France, but DT sells more records than them" That doesn't make any sense. >Could the person who originally posted that explain the whole thing a >little bit better?
I think this whole load of crap about JLB being a jerk is all just that... crap. When I met him, he was really nice, and anyone I know who's met him has had a similar experience. It's only these people who I've never met who seem to have these "negative encounters", and really I'm not prepared to believe these few accounts over my own experience and the experiences my friends have relayed on to me. The same goes for Geoff Tate and a whole bunch of other amazing players that seem to get badmouthed by some of the people on this list.
>From: Shane Liebling <jusenkyo@uclink4.berkeley.edu>
>I think the cover of an album is one of the most intergal parts of the >ALBUM itself.
I couldn't agree less. :) I think the cover is a piece of paper, with little value, except for pictures of the band's gear, notes, and maybe lyrics, if some of them seem to say things like "Death is the first dancing turtle" until you have the sheet to tell you what's really being said. The cover art can be a cool bonus, but it'd be a fool who would complain if the greatest album ever were released with just a white cover that said "Fates Warning" (or insert YOUR favorite band here) and had no graphics. It IS the music that means everything. If you lose the case to your copy of Images and Words, does that mean it's not the same great album? Every time someone complains about the cover art to an album, I want to vomit. But I guess in the Ytsejam Tradition, there has to be SOMETHING to complain about. In fact, I'm sort of complaining about someone complaining about an album cover! I hope you don't take this too seriously... I'm just disagreeing with ya, Shane. I am not in a position to tell you "You're wrong"... I just don't see eye to eye with you.
>From: djw_at_neon@smtpgate.walker.com >Subject: JLB... > > Hi, > > Whenever there's a thread slagging JLB I always think - stay out of > it, don't encourage it etc... - but I can't. He seems quite open and > honest about DT's push to become more popular, commercial even, and > he's not afraid to admit that they want to grab a slice of the > Floyd/Rush market. Do some of you jammers think that, perhaps, he is > spearheading their "more commercial" direction? Just a thought on why > some people may not like him at the moment.
I don't have any problem with that at all. As long as they're making the music they want to make, and not making it just for the money, then I say "go for it".... in the Dr_Mosh way, I will decide for myself if the band sucks, and let the band do what they want. All the complaints in the world will never change the direction of an intelligent band like Dream Theater. If they're happy with the music they're making, then I hope they just keep on making it! I'm sure most of you agree (though I'm sure there will be a slew of fucking Ytsemorons who write to the jam saying "Dream Theater SUCKS!!! They SOLD OUT! I hate this!" as if any of us give a shitmorsel!)
Take care!
Chris W. Ptacek Musician and Listener A.K.A Madsman, on IRC
"Can we search for inspiration -- those ideas that just come from 'nowhere'? They don't surface when you're tHiNKinG. They just come. What we CAN do is make fertile the ground on which idea seeds fall." - Michael Hedges
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Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 13:54:04 -0500 From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2977 Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970917185404.00c73dac@pop.enteract.com>
>From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov> >Subject: UPside your head!
>See, there was this commercial for Lincoln way back when, right? Right! >Over the hood of black Continenta was draped a gorgeous blonde, to >entice you into buying the car. So you figure the subliminal message is >"the possibility of sex sells cars", right? > >WRONG! > >What they found out shortly afterwards, was that whenever people saw >large black cars driving by, they immediately wanted to have sex... > >Powerful stuff, eh?
I'll say! Every time I have sex I think about large black cars! Is there no end to the horror that is mental manipulation?!?
Anyways...
I just bought Stratovarius "Visions" yesterday, because I thought they showed promise, even though I didn't much like Episode. I feel like I owe Mape an apology! This album is just awesome! The vocalist has gotten stronger, the drums are tighter, and the guitars and keys are MUCH more active! Visions is truly a great album!
Hasta!
Chris W. Ptacek Musician and Listener A.K.A Madsman, on IRC
"Can we search for inspiration -- those ideas that just come from 'nowhere'? They don't surface when you're tHiNKinG. They just come. What we CAN do is make fertile the ground on which idea seeds fall." - Michael Hedges
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Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 16:07:51 -0300 (EST) From: Alexandre Lymberopoulos <lymber@ime.usp.br> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Stick. Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95q.970917160609.17169A-100000@jaca>
I'm sorry for my ignorance, but what is a stick? I would like to have a detailed description of it... how it sounds, etc.
Thanks in advance, Alexandre. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexandre Lymberopoulos - lymber@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~lymber Undergraduate Mathematics Student - University of Sao Paulo - Brazil Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~lymber/bootleg.html "We are so human, we are so small" - Peter Garret - Midnight Oil "I'm your dream, make you real / I'm your eyes when you must steal I'm your pain when you can't feel / sad but true" - James Hetfield - Metallica =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 16:28:08 -0300 (EST) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: To Live Forever... Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.970917162122.806D-100000@blum.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Wed, 17 Sep 1997, Steve Zebrowski wrote:
> > > I finally got to hear "Eve" and "To Live Forever" - I must say that > > > TLF may well be my fave DT song ever...er...it rocks..! > > > > Told ya. :) > > How 'bout those harmonies, Chris? :)
You know what? I think that the next steps I'll do to obtain the "Lie" single will be stealing and killing... I'm really a dumb ass. I should have asked Petrucci to play "To Live Forever" on the new tour (how many of you think this is one of the best songs Dream Theater has composed?).
I'd really love to see an official video from each tour (I've already said this on this list, when I subscribed, but let's repeat this again) or even a live album containing this marvelous, terrific, awesome, incredible, unbelievable, breathtaking song.
Ok. Now and unrelated topic: I think that I'll start an Opeth homepage (can you say I like them? :-) ). First, I'll ask Mr. Akerfeldt if I can put some samples on my homepage and then I'll inform you of what I have done. I think that I'll need to learn some new HTML commands (talking about putting something available, D-Man, have I sent you the caseliner program for Linux??)
[]s, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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