YTSEJAM Digest 2979
Today's Topics:
1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2976
by Dan <drussell@thunder.ocis.temple.edu>
2) Some questions about DT
by Alex Piaz <alex.piaz@originet.com.br>
3) Alta Mira Dream Theater Update
by Über Cabe <caber1@concentric.net>
4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2978
by "Rob Doyle" <c694232@showme.missouri.edu>
5) re: New album cover
by Mark Smeets <msmeets@ibm.net>
6) Stevie Wonder?
by "L. Jason Hartman" <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu>
7) Chapman stick
by "Tedesco, Matthew" <tedescom@BDD.com>
8) Stick
by Über Cabe <caber1@concentric.net>
9) Triggers...?
by "Tedesco, Matthew" <tedescom@BDD.com>
10) New Savatage
by Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@KR.FH-Niederrhein.DE>
11) A post, believe it or not... [part 1]
by Seroussi <seroussi@algonet.se>
12) Continental Divide...
by Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com>
13) Part two of the post...
by Seroussi <seroussi@algonet.se>
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Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 15:49:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dan <drussell@thunder.ocis.temple.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2976
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.970917154858.20100A-100000@thunder.ocis.temple.edu>
How does everyone on here already have a copy of DT's new album.....this
is nuts!!!!
answer me in private...thanks!
Dan
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Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 16:59:54 +0000
From: Alex Piaz <alex.piaz@originet.com.br>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Some questions about DT
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19970917165954.00689820@pop-gw.originet.com.br>
Hi there!!!
I am a rookie at Ytsejam, and I would like to know some things about Dream
Theater:
1. Is there any interview, article, that shows anything about Dream
Theater and Drugs??
=09
2. Did any Rush=B4s member ever make any comment about DT?
I think that=B4s all for a while
See you later alligator
Alex
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Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 15:13:20 -0700
From: Über Cabe <caber1@concentric.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Alta Mira Dream Theater Update
Message-ID: <342055FF.1885@concentric.net>
Hi everyone,
I just got this from Alta Mira(duh :) and I just wanted to let everyone
to know that Raise the Knife won't be on as a demo. Someone had
mentioned that it was, but...they were wrong or Alta Mira is wrong. Or
something.
Über Cabe caber1@concentric.net
Subject: Alta Mira Dream Theater Update
]From: <AMCYBER1@aol.com>
Alta Mira Dream Theater update...
The first pressing of the Japanese edition of the upcoming Dream
Theater
"Falling Into Infinity" CD will contain a bonus 3" CD with 2 bonus DEMO
tracks.
These tracks are ...
Take Away My Pain .
Speak To Me .
Please preorder to insure fill and discount on this limited edition
release.
Preorder price is $30.00.
Best regards,
Neil
Alta Mira
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Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 14:59:49 -0500
From: "Rob Doyle" <c694232@showme.missouri.edu>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2978
Message-ID: <199709171959.OAA68420@sp2n09.missouri.edu>
As I was wandering around the "scream" page looking
for the new songs from FII, I ran into a band I had heard
of a LONG, LONG time ago called "Spiral Architect-"
they have a single called "fountainhead" that is REALLY worth
the listen- I don't want to get myself in trouble by saying you'll
be "knocked off your ass" or anything, especially since it's only
in RA ;)
but for those of you who aren't biased against more
death-type stuff (as in the band Death, not the genre), you'll be
pleasantly surprised-
apparently the band JUST got signed, and they'll have a CD out by
jan. of '98
and by the way- of those of you out there who have ever
followed Watchtower and hated the singer, Ron has
begun a new band called Spastik Ink- AMAZING!
check it out, folks
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Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 12:56:09 PST
From: Mark Smeets <msmeets@ibm.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: re: New album cover
Message-ID: <199709172002.NAA29195@ktk1.SMARTT.COM>
** Reply to note from ytsejam@ax.com 09/17/97 12:48pm -0700
You know...the new album cover should fit in with the past DT
cd's, and I have the PERFECT one...of course, in my sick and
twisted world, Metropolis part 2 would be on this cd and KM
would play keys BUT how about, the dancing turtle for the
cover?
C'mon, i can see it now, a turtle in a pink tutu dancing
across the beach...oh yes how perfect :)
Mark Smeets/Stranger0/HTML Guild Member
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http://www.smartt.com/~jsmeets/stranger/ - personal page
http://www.smartt.com/~jsmeets/stranger/Front.htm - Megadeth F.A.Q.
A Bridge is not a high place
The fifty-second floor
Icarus would nkow
A Mountain isn't too far to fall
When you've Fallin' from the Moon - Marillion, Brave - Fallin' from the Moon
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Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 16:20:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: "L. Jason Hartman" <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Stevie Wonder?
Message-ID: <199709172020.QAA25679@umbc8.umbc.edu>
Why is everyone talking about this new, 6 hour long Stevie Wonder
album? Did he go prog or something? I heard that he covers
a bunch of DT songs too.
:)
-- /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \ / / L. Jason Hartman "And I'll smile and I'll learn to pretend \ \ lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu And I'll never be open again / / And I'll have no more dreams to defend \ \ Univ. Of Maryland, And I'll never be open again " / / Baltimore County - Kevin Moore : Dream Theater \ \ / / "Make it idiot proof and someone will make a better idiot." \ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/------------------------------
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 16:22:00 -0400 From: "Tedesco, Matthew" <tedescom@BDD.com> To: ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Chapman stick Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=BDD%l=BDD/MSMAIL/001E84CC@nt_mail.bdd.com>
Responding to a couple of stick queries, as best I can:
The stick (manufactured by Chapman) is a twelve string instrument incorporating, for all intents and purposes, the strings of both guitar and bass (though I couldn't tell you the exact stringing). It's a wildly difficult instrument to play, using both hands to essentially hammer-on and slide your way through songs. It was first used extensively, to my knowledge, by Tony Levin (of King Crimson and Peter Gabriel fame, but he pops up often, including a rumored future project with Mike Portnoy, John Petrucci, and Jordan Rudess). More and more players are picking it up and exploring the stick, such as Trey Gunn, the guy from Lemur Voice (name escapes at the moment, no sleight intended), and lots more, I'm sure.
If you find yourself intrigued by the instrument at all, I'd recommend (and this is pretty much a blanket recommendation as well) Peter Gabriel's "Security" album. Levin plays on this, and the stick parts are outstanding.
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Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 15:46:44 -0700 From: Über Cabe <caber1@concentric.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Stick Message-ID: <34205DD4.183@concentric.net>
Hi everyone,
I'm going to answer this, but before I say anything know this, I've never actually played on a Chap Stick. They range from having 8 to 14 strings on them, I think. It's like a guitar fretboard & a bass fretboard melted together. :) Whenever I hear sticks it's usually a bass player doing some tapping solo. I've never heard(or heard of) anyone strumming, picking, popping, etc. on them. I've heard that Tony Levin is a master at it, but I don't own of his stuff so I can't really compare him to others that I've heard. The latest King Crimson is supposed to have some really interesting stick work on it, but it's also supposed to be not very listenable. Hmm, what else? Ah, yes there's a whole mailing list devoted to the instrument, and they probably have a FAQ. So, go do something to yourself, or something. :)
Über Cabe caber1@concentric.net
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Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 16:32:00 -0400 From: "Tedesco, Matthew" <tedescom@BDD.com> To: ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Triggers...? Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=BDD%l=BDD/MSMAIL/001E8536@nt_mail.bdd.com>
Sorry, meant to include this with my last post, but I have a question of my own. I'm pretty new to the 'Jam, and I noticed lots of complaints about the use of "triggers" with Portnoy's drum parts in I&W. Would someone mind enlightening me? I'd say to mail me personally, but I'm sure that there are a few others who are ignorant as well.
Thanks.
Matt Tedescom@BDD.com
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Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 22:39:25 -0700 From: Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@KR.FH-Niederrhein.DE> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: New Savatage Message-ID: <3420BE8D.6D1F@kr.fh-niederrhein.de>
Hi
I've heard the new Savatage album (released on 15,09,97 in Germany)
Well, I like it. It's a good concept album. The 13 songs are good. Hard Rock with some Classic influences. In my opinion, "Dead Winter Dead" is much better.
In Germany, there is a limited editon of "The Wake Of .." with a poster. It's called "For Real Savatage Fans". The Cover is different to the cover of the Booklet. It's really cool.
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BTW, my top 10 albums of the week :
1)Genesis - Calling All Stations 2)Royal Hunt - Paradox 3)Dream Theater - A Change Of Seasons 4)Jean Michel Jarre - Oxygene 7-13 5)Shadow Gallery - Carved In Stone 6)Dream Theater - Comedy (Bootleg) 7)Dream Theater - Images & Words 8)Mike Oldfield - Voyager 9)Pink Floyd - The Devision Bell 10)Tad Morose - Leaving The Past Behind
ARASH
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Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 22:51:03 +0200 From: Seroussi <seroussi@algonet.se> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: A post, believe it or not... [part 1] Message-ID: <342042B7.AFB47744@algonet.se>
Wow, here are my comments on stuff from the last 30-40 jams...
---- > From: Andrew Berry <andrew@aberry.demon.co.uk> > Subject: Cryptic Writings (was Re: ...) > > In <URL:news:local.ytsejam> on Wed 03 Sep, Hein.Vandenabeele@ax.com wrote: > > > > I'd say, beating Cryptic Writings isn't that difficult... > > I think Cryptic Writings is the best album of the year so far. It's not > as heavy or fast as, for instance, Rust In Peace,
am I the only one that defines heavy as emotional and usually slower stuff, and uses "hard" or "thrashy" to describe songs such as the ones on rust in peace?
> but the melodies, musicianship and overall arrangements of the songs are second to none.
yeah, and these complicated drum beats...supercalifragilisticexpialadocous...
---- > ***WARNING! WARNING! HUGE LONG RANT!!! ECKIE'S LETTING IT LOOSE!!!*** > Unfortunately the only celebrity artist I've seen stand up and criticize > this incredible problem in recent years (on a major media > broadcast) was Richard Dreyfus back a couple years on one of these > fluff-ridden music awards programs.
What about Ozzy? "Before MTV got going, to sell a million records was like a major achievement. But now, bands get heavy rotation on MTV or VH1 and they can be division one and ten million albums. The only thing that I have against them [MTV] is when they have a craze, it's too much of one form of music, too much of anything. It drives me crazy, I mean, there's a word that everybody has forgot about, it's called variety, there's not enough variety."
---- > From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br> > Subject: Re: Cryptic Writings (was Re: ...) > > But Cryptic Writings has one of the best songs that I have ever > heard "She Wolf" (the chorus part is soo catchy that it gets playing in my > head without any effort). Of course, that "A Fortune in Lies" intro helps > the song to have its great effect. :-) And I have not even touched the > subject of "Motorbreath". :-)
you call these 5 seconds an intro? I just checked and it does seem like there's a riff from a fortune in lies in she wolf...it's just more distorted and slower, on the other hand I might be wrong, and have imagined it all...she wolf seems too un-original to me to be a really good song (with that iron maiden solo in the end)..besides, catchy is good? if it is, turn on mtv and you'll see this crap, repetitive music plays in your head...
---- > From: David Di Tivoli <dream@pronet.it> > Subject: Psychological Effects of Album Sleeve Design > > I agree,I think that the cover reflect the way to hear the album....I hate > WDADU because I hate the cover.
that's a very smart statement, you're saying that you judge the album by the artist that made the cover...ok...
> I love I&W also because when I take the album I see his cover...
..and that girl just sends shivers up and down your spine...
> and for me Awake's cover is appropriate to that kind of music....aggressive.
why is awake's cover aggressive? it may be dark, but it is not aggressive...
> And finally when I hear ACOS I always have in my mind the cover....
that's just great...
---- > From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov> > Subject: Music for Music's sake? > > I honestly do believe, though, that things are starting to make a turn > for the better. The thing that baffles me is stuff like what I see on > WAAF (one of the local Boston area radio stations) has on their current > playlist: Metallica, Megadeth, Pantera, Tool, Helmet, Rage Against The > Machine, Drain STH and Faith No More.
these bands are all pretty much mainstream (which has nothing to do with their sound, it's all about promotion)...now here's my definition to "mainstream" (as opposed to underground)...if you go up to an average mtv watcher and tell him/her the name of the band, and (s)he recognizes it, it's mainstream...
---- > Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 00:43:10 +0200 > From: David Di Tivoli <dream@pronet.it> > To: ytsejam@ax.com > Subject: Mayadome > Subject: Watchtower > Subject: Spock's beard
there's nothing wrong with putting all three sentences in one post...
> Subject: Theater of dreams
..make it four...there's also nothing wrong with making a web search...
---- > From: "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu> > Subject: Lang, Hanson, Prog...how's that for odd matchups > > There's not a problem with Hanson in and of themselves...live and let live. My > point was just that the reason they're popular is not their music, which is > standard pop fare. It's because of the gimmick - their ages.
Weren't the Sepultura guys 14-16 when their first album came out? there was a potential gimmick there...
---- > From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com> > Subject: Spice Girls/hanson/Peruvian Skies > > Well once time the Spice Girls played live. I seriously got ill and had > to change the channel-ugh!
you should have just muted it...the spice girls are really enjoyable that way...
---- > From: CLARK ABEL <99ABEL@alma.edu> > Subject: Kurt Cobain and MTV in a DT song
What about Shakespeare? he had lots of references to "current events" of his time and his some of his stuff is still considered works of art...
---- > From: "woot" <woot@crypted.com> > Subject: LV and David Di Tivoli > > David Di Tivoli is the guy that made these accusations, and until he gets a > shorter sig and stops having 5 posts in every jam all of which are 1 line long > I think it would be a good idea if everyone ignores everything he says.
David is so dense he won't understand that everyone ignores him...fuck, even when people respond to his posts he doesn't get it...I even once sent him a shortened version of his sig, which he ignored...
---- > From: CLARK ABEL <99ABEL@alma.edu> > Subject: More ranting on lyrics > > Lyrics that are extremely direct don't leave any room for > interpretation. There's no grey area to find your own meaning.
of course there is...you should have seen my interpretation of Metallica's Fade to Black that I posted to the metallica ng a while ago...I've shown how it is about metallica selling out with tba and load...my point is, that you can twist the lyrics to have whatever meaning you want...
---- this is too funny to ignore...
> From: David Di Tivoli <dream@pronet.it> > Subject: LV and David Di Tivoli > > If you ask me I tell you why.......You tell of accusation.....hey return to > earth,is a only a music band,do you want to kill me.
sure, I already got dave mustaine hired, I'll just make sure I'll pay him on time so there won't be any troubles...
> That's my opinion,why i can't speak?
opinions can be wrong / misled / whatever...
> Ah,congratulation for this phrase: "would be a good idea if everyone > ignores everything he says".Good,you are a good man!!!!
A great man!!!
> If you want to know......I'm a reviewer.
..of music? that doesn't make your opinion better, it just means that the bullshit you say is available to more people...
> Sorry for the bad english!
In english, you put spaces after punctuation signs (except for three periods, which I excessively use...don't make the same mistakes I do...)
---- > From: "Korg Eksthrey" <KorgX3@cyberhighway.net> > Subject: The fact of the matter is... (Small rant included, free of charge) > > I'm quite looking forward to the new album. I'm quite interested in > hearing what Kevin Shirley (who IMO is an excellent producer) has done for > them. He knows his job and does it well, and for those of you who bitch > I'd like to see what you can do to make DT sound good.
Gee, that's a great argument..."I'd like to see you do better"...that's a great way of eliminating all intelligent discussion..."You think it's wrong that KJLB's voice gets fucked up live? Well, I'd like to see you do better"...
---- > From: ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack) > Subject: Re: Pure art > > > I basically lost what little respect I had left for Dave Mustaine > > when I read the quotes that someone posted to this list last spring where he > > said something to the effect of "This album will have four radio friendly > > songs, four really heavy songs for the old fans, blah blah blah..." > > How can you sit down with a piece of music, that is supposed to be an > > expression of yourself, and say "Ok, now how can we make this more radio > > friendly?" > > Well, again, I can't speak for Dave, but couldn't you just write a bunch of > songs, listen to them later and say "Gee, those 4 could do well on the > radio, while those other 4 sound more like my older material..." and so on.
More of dave's sayings [not exact quotations, but pretty close]:
"we would have made a more rust in peace style album, if the mainstream was more into thrashy, hard stuff"
"I was envious of metallica's success with the black album, so this is why countdown to extinction is more mainstream sounding"
on the contrary, megadeth has a bunch of videos that are banned from mtv...
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Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 13:51:25 From: Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Continental Divide... Message-ID: <3.0.3.16.19970917135125.2e1f670e@pop.cfmc.com>
Hey-o...
I know I haven't had a whole lot to say lately -- I'm in a rare position at the moment...I'm a couple of steps ahead of my clients and actually have a moment to thread through me e-mail and see what's going on. Commentary forthcoming...
Petrucci is a hell of a player, that goes without saying (at least it does here). But there have been a few comments over the year and some change I've been on this list about his own style perhaps not yet having fully emerged. That may be true (it probably is, based on the evolution I'm hearing in his playing), but has there ever been anyone quite so convincing as a player who periodically sounds quite a lot like other players. I have the same experience listening to his playing ("Man, that sounds like Vai," "That sure could have been on 'Moving Pictures'," "I'd swear that was Satriani..."), but, even at those moments -- perhaps even PARTICULARLY at those moments -- he's an impressive, confident, even innovative sounding player. As though he's playing something that's simulataneously fresh and familiar. I think that's Petrucci's strength. It doesn't sound rehashed, but it really resonates.
Album covers: I've always been partial to the Hugh Syme and Roger Dean schools of album covers. Of course, I've got pleasant associations to the music that's on those albums, as well, so perhaps that's coloring my opinion a little.
With all this talk about the Stick, I wanted to ask if anyone here's actually played a Warr Guitar. I know what they sound like...I know Trey Gunn has made them higher profile, but they're still a curiosity to me...an interest bolstered by the fact that Warr lives a few houses down from where I lived the first few years of my life.
So there's that...
Five Gratuitous CD's: ===================== 1. Rush: Permanent Waves 2. Shawn Colvin: Cover Girl 3. Galactic Cowboys: The Horse That Bud Bought 4. John Coltrane: My Favorite Things 5. Toad The Wet Sprocket: Coil
Adam Barnhart adamb@cfmc.com ydnt85a@prodigy.com http://www.cfmc.com/adamb
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Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 22:52:41 +0200 From: Seroussi <seroussi@algonet.se> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Part two of the post... Message-ID: <34204319.F2DCB495@algonet.se>
..I got a little bit carried away...
---- > From: Jon Dery <metropolis@net1plus.com> > Subject: A New Revolution? > > Jon Parmet wrote: > > > > ANM IS THE SONG FOR THE RADIO. > > I couldn't agree with Jon more. > > I do not feel that Burning My Soul is an ideal first single, but A New > Millennium... I think fans of different styles of music would think > this song was killer.
First, I'd like to say that I haven't listened to ANM so I don't really know what I'm talking about...
> I actually picture this song to be the "Smells Like Teen Spirit"
it has no more than 4 chords?
> of the late 90's in that it is very different than anything else out there (like Teen Spitit was at the > time)
we're talking about somewhere between 89 to 91, right? I'm pretty sure that the musical ideas of SLTS were not new to the music world [just never done so poorly]...maybe it was new to the mainstream, though...
> but at the same time rocks hard (like Teen Spirit did compared to a lot of the watered-down poseur bands > of the time).
Megadeth? Metallica? [tba was a devolution, though] Suffocation? [now there's some new ideas to the music world] and countless others...
> I think that some kind of musical change is over the horizon.
it's for the worse, sort of, no more repetitive alternative music...from now on, repetitive electronic music (humans? who needs them?)
> I personaly hope that more experimenal songs like A New Millennium will be > embraced by more than just one audience someday.
I don't think so...
---- > From: Isaac Sabetai <isabetai@bu.edu> > Subject: Re: James LaBrie unpolished attitudes > > You people who are ripping JL are not giving him a fair chance. You are > judging him and his personality during a brief five second encounter in > a crowded area backstage.
The best way to judge a person is by his behavior at times of stress...that's when the real personality is shown, without the minimal mask of hypocracy everyone has...
> How would you feel if your character was judged after you just finished > doing your job and a mob of crazed fans immediately swarmed you?
if he thinks of the singing as a "job", there's something really wrong about it...and this "mod of crazed fans" is what puts food on his table, so he should be grateful...
> So now you can give me psychological profile of a man you talked to > for a minute around a horde of people ... I'm also willing to bet that > DT sells more records then Angra.
and the Spice Girls sell more than they both do...your point being?
---- > From: Brandon Vaughn <vaughn_b@chipola.cc.fl.us> > Subject: Fave new bands / four letter words (little DTC) > > Our own favorite band DT introduces their first on the new album, > using the word "shit." Please understand me. . . I'm not on some religious > or moral crusade, but I just hate for them to do this. Whether they use it > in daily conversation or not (like on the Live at Tokyo video)...I don't care. > I just think they could have come up with more interesting lyrics.
so lyrics become boring and not interesting if a word that you categorize as "bad" or "vulgar" is used? no matter what context it used in? and is it also bad to use words that are used in daily conversation? I bet they use the words "the" and "and" in daily conversation too...it is so boring that they put them into the poetry, just to attract your attention...you should go listen to obituary or something if you've a problem with lyrics...
---- > From: ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack) > Subject: WFS, FII review, ANM, cuss words > > Or just read what it says on the sticker on my 'The Light' CD: > > Warning: This CD containd the F#$% word. If you are offended by this, you > are very sad, and should not buy this fine CD.
I once went through CDs in a shop and I saw a CD saying something like that:
"Parental Advisory: This CD contains some words that may be considered FUCKING offensive" and over the word "fucking" there was a sticker saying "Under this sticker you can find a word that may be considered offensive"...
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