YTSEJAM Digest 2981
Today's Topics:
1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2977
by Richard Warren <rwarren@memphisonline.com>
2) COMPLETELY useless factoid
by "R. Ananda" <spod@u.washington.edu>
3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2978
by Shane Liebling <jusenkyo@uclink4.berkeley.edu>
4) Mike Portnoy's Workshop Pictures!
by beheader@sili.com.br (Pedro Prado)
5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2980
by "Chad Allen Klunck" <cak6981@omega.uta.edu>
6) The Gathering??
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
7) Re: UNCLASSIFIED:-To Live Forever
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
8) The death of alternative, black cars, sticks & Crimson
by Jay Omega <jw@winternet.com>
9) Inquiry about Seven Wonders
by "David Whitaker" <David-Whitaker@worldnet.att.net>
10) Fates opening for DT
by Jason Hartman <lhartm1@ds1.GL.UMBC.EDU>
11) CD burner question
by durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
12) B-sides on EP
by The Phoenix <rctaylor@students.uiuc.edu>
13) Rudis/Morganstein CD review
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
14) Defending JL (again)
by Isaac Sabetai <isabetai@bu.edu>
15) Detroit Area Jammers
by "John R. Kotzian" <koggie@cyberspace.org>
16) APSoG boots???
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
17) FII review for school paper....
by "Partha S. Mukhopadhyay" <pmukhop@med.wayne.edu>
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 18:37:19 -0500
From: Richard Warren <rwarren@memphisonline.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2977
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970917183443.0070be54@memphisonline.com>
>> Well, those versions seem to be recorded while they were still looking =
>for
>> KevMo's replacement, because there are zero keyboards in there. I don't=
>
>> think they've played WFS on stage since Kev left (I could be wrong). In=
> any
>
>They have (for instance, Birch Hill 12/96), and they've done it acoustica=
>lly.
I think you are confused. DT did NOT play WFS at Birch Hill on 12/14/96.
Richard Warren
rwarren@memphisonline.com
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 16:36:39 -0700 (PDT)
From: "R. Ananda" <spod@u.washington.edu>
To: Clit-see jam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: COMPLETELY useless factoid
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.96a.970917163125.38646A-100000@dante16.u.washington.edu>
but I have to tell you.
According to the Library of Congress book cataloguing system,
books with a class number (the first part of the call number)
of "DT" pertain to African general history.
/me is REALLY bored at work.
Rahul Ananda : spod@u.washington.edu or thehand@dreamt.org
-----------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 17:05:33 -0700
From: Shane Liebling <jusenkyo@uclink4.berkeley.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2978
Message-ID: <v03007800b0461efbd31f@[169.229.75.60]>
> I couldn't agree less. :) I think the cover is a piece of paper,
>with little value, except for pictures of the band's gear, notes, and maybe
>lyrics, if some of them seem to say things like "Death is the first dancing
>turtle" until you have the sheet to tell you what's really being said. The
>cover art can be a cool bonus, but it'd be a fool who would complain if the
>greatest album ever were released with just a white cover that said "Fates
>Warning" (or insert YOUR favorite band here) and had no graphics. It IS the
>music that means everything. If you lose the case to your copy of Images
>and Words, does that mean it's not the same great album?
> Every time someone complains about the cover art to an album, I want
>to vomit. But I guess in the Ytsejam Tradition, there has to be SOMETHING
>to complain about. In fact, I'm sort of complaining about someone
>complaining about an album cover! I hope you don't take this too
>seriously... I'm just disagreeing with ya, Shane. I am not in a position to
>tell you "You're wrong"... I just don't see eye to eye with you.
No problem man, I doubt I could take anything written on the Jam too
seriously (no offence Skadz) other than official news. All we have
floating around this list is opinionsa, and since many of us live in
countries where it is alright to have your opinions and express them, we
do. I think the reason I think covers are so intergal is because I am an
audio/visual type of person. I love movies and music videos (good ones,
not the crap they play on eMpTyV). I mean when I think of any of the
albums as a whole the first thing that comes to mind is the cover. My
favorite of the past has to be Awake's cover with a symbolic synthesis of
all the songs on the album in art. It was incredible, and you even could
see the past of IW on Awake's cover in the precence of Metropolis in the
background.
I think DT has always put a ton of thinking into their covers and I am glad
they have. I am still looking for posters of any of the covers (anyone
know where I could find such relics?). But as I said before, thats's just
my opinion, I could be wrong...
-Shane
____________________________________________________________________________
Shane Liebling "Have you found your Buddha Nature today? - Me
jusenkyo@uclink4.berkeley.edu "Maybe there really wasn't an America, maybe
CAA Layman and Ytsejammer it was just Frank Capra." - John Cassavetes
Member of a.m.m.o. since 1997 "Mumble, mumble." - Han-shan
-------------------------------- Who am I? ---------------------------------
The short version: http://www.hotwired.com/members/profile/demolitionman/
The long version: http://www.earthlink.net/~mariachi
--------------------------- In other words, Mu. ----------------------------
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 21:15:08 -0300
From: beheader@sili.com.br (Pedro Prado)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Mike Portnoy's Workshop Pictures!
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19970917211508.0069f83c@pop.sili.com.br>
Hi there!
For all those who couldn't see the pictures:
Actually, It is working, but or your Browser is not version up to 4.0 or it
doesn't support Java scripting. I put a regular link now. Go back to my
page and it'll work. Thanks.
_________________
Pedro Prado - a.k.a. Beheader
Email: beheader@sili.com.br - ICQ: 1271907
URL: http://www.geocities.com/Broadway/3551
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 19:21:18 -0500
From: "Chad Allen Klunck" <cak6981@omega.uta.edu>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2980
Message-ID: <199709180025.TAA32707@omega.uta.edu>
> 5) DT play Starwars
> by David Di Tivoli <dream@pronet.it>
>Now I know we are supposed to be ignoring this guy, David are you really as
>stupid as your questions
>suggest you are ?
>OR are you taking the piss ?
Everybody repeat after me: Frequent Poster List, Frequent Poster List,
Frequent Poster...ad infinitum.
It's a shame.
Chad
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 21:31:05 -0300 (EST)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: The Gathering??
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.970917212930.4395E-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
Hi, there...
Could someone describe me (personally if you think it is
necessary, but maybe other 'jammers would also like to know) how does "The
Gathering" sound?? I got interested since I've heard some comments such as
"revolutionary, astounding etc".
[]s really curious, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=------------------------------
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 21:36:35 -0300 (EST) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: UNCLASSIFIED:-To Live Forever Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.970917213343.4395F-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Wed, 17 Sep 1997 Graham.Boyle.149036@navy.gov.au wrote:
> A question I have that I have been meaning to ask for a while > now, I don't know if it has been asnswered before, so here goes. Am I > right in saying that TLF was recorded during the I & W album sessions ? > Since I got the 'Lie' CD single it has bugged my why the song wasn't > included on I & W, I think it would fit perfectly in between 'Metropolis' > and 'Under A Glass Moon', wadda you guys think ?
Well, since I have James LaBrie audition Demo singing this song along with "Take the Time" and "Learning to Live", I think that it was written before the "Images and Words" sessions, but only recorded on "Awake" sessions.
> gRaham_
Hope this helps, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 19:47:15 -0500 (CDT) From: Jay Omega <jw@winternet.com> To: Just Words <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: The death of alternative, black cars, sticks & Crimson Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.970917192219.10902A-100000@tundra.winternet.com>
Hey all!
I was just looking through the Minneapolis Star/Tribune, and saw something interesting...
X-105 (a trio of little 5000-watt stations which play hard rock/ metal--yes, they play BMS quite often) and 93.7 "The Edge" (the commercial success; a zillion-watt station that plays alternative) are switching formats!!!! The same folks own both stations, and want the metal stuff on the big commercial station, and the alternative on the wussy little stations. Either that's very cool, and metal is coming back, or the end of the world is at hand.
The doorknobs at the paper, however, used the word "progressive" to mean "alternative" in a couple of places. Morons.
------
Ptacek wrote: >Somebody else wrote: >>What they found out shortly afterwards, was that whenever people saw >>large black cars driving by, they immediately wanted to have sex... >>Powerful stuff, eh? > > I'll say! Every time I have sex I think about large black cars!
I have a medium-sized black car. But hey, it's not the size, it's how you drive it. :)
------
]From: "Tedesco, Matthew" <tedescom@BDD.com>
>If you find yourself intrigued by the instrument at all, I'd recommend >(and this is pretty much a blanket recommendation as well) Peter >Gabriel's "Security" album. Levin plays on this, and the stick parts >are outstanding.
I don't know how prominent the stick is on this album, but there is a short stick duet on King Crimson's latest live album "B'Boom". I wouldn't recommend buying it for "Two Sticks," but I think it's worth it for the live version of "Red."
It's also the key instrument of the track "Threnody for Souls in Torment" off the album "The Bridge Between" by the Robert Fripp String Quintet. The quintet is Fripp on electric guitar, Trey Gunn on "Grand Stick" (whatever that is), and the California Guitar Trio on their acoustic guitars.
In general, if you hear something that would be described as a spooky, wah-ish electric cello, it's a stick.
------
]From: =DCber Cabe <caber1@concentric.net> >The latest King Crimson is supposed to >have some really interesting stick work on it, but it's also supposed to >be not very listenable.
Depends where you're coming from. If you like DT because you like metal, the newest KC probably isn't for you. If you like DT because you like progressive, it might be.
--Jay "liked DT first, then found other prog" Omega --NP: The Robert Fripp String Quintet - The Bridge Between
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 20:13:51 -0500 From: "David Whitaker" <David-Whitaker@worldnet.att.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Inquiry about Seven Wonders Message-ID: <19970918011605.AAA2704@hombre>
> From: Eric Herrmann <eric.herrmann@rocketmail.com> > Subject: ENCHANT + JlB + SEVEN WONDERS + ??? > > Hi all, > First, I'd like to know what is exactly Seven Wonders ?
Seven Wonders is a new MP3 bootleg compilation CD containing all of Mike Bahr's past seven Dream Theater bootlegs, plus as a bonus, Mind Control. For ordering information, visit:
http://www.geocities.com/soho/2236
(Commercial voice) You'll be glad you did. =)
All paid orders have shipped, and will continue shipping immediately upon receipt of payment. The new batch of 100 liners will be finished this Friday, so there will be no shipping gap as previously thought.
D. Ryan Whitaker David-Whitaker@worldnet.att.net
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 21:49:08 -0400 From: Jason Hartman <lhartm1@ds1.GL.UMBC.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Fates opening for DT Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19970917214908.006bc4bc@pop.gl.umbc.edu>
After seeing Fates a few weeks ago on tour, I can honestly say that if Fates were to open for DT and play APSOG - they would blow DT right out of the venue. No question about it. None of 5 or 6 DT shows that I've been to have have come close to rocking my nads the way that Fates did that night. It was unreal.
I wonder if DT would let Fates do all of APSOG (about 45-50mins) for an opener. That would definately be cool of them and I know FW would pick up TONS of new fans.
If this FW/DT tour comes true, I pray to God that I can see it! On the Awake tour, us Marylanders missed FW on tour by about 1 week!! We got stuck with I Mother Earth. Ugh.
-- /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \ / / L. Jason Hartman "And I'll smile and I'll learn to pretend \ \ lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu And I'll never be open again / / And I'll have no more dreams to defend \ \ Univ. Of Maryland, And I'll never be open again " / / Baltimore County - Kevin Moore : Dream Theater \ \ / / "Make it idiot proof and someone will make a better idiot." \ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 18:57:42 -0700 (MST) From: durnik <durnik@goodnet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: CD burner question Message-ID: <199709180157.SAA13514@goodnet.com>
A Jammer asked about CD burners. The best deals right now are the Yamaha and Teac 4x writers, both of which can be had for $600-700.
- Mike Bahr - durnik@goodnet.com - http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik/
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 21:33:51 -0500 (CDT) From: The Phoenix <rctaylor@students.uiuc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: B-sides on EP Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970917212911.22654F-100000@ux9.cso.uiuc.edu>
We all hope Metropolis Part II will be released as an EP (even if we have to petition again :), but does anyone know which, or how many of the songs cut from FII will be on this EP? In a best case scenario, all of them will be. In this case we would have a fairly long EP, which I would not mind at all. I just can't wait till I can hear any of the new material, it seems I'm one of the few to be waiting.
-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_- | Robert Taylor The world may seem flown away | | rctaylor@uiuc.edu Almost as if it cannot be saved | | The Phoenix Will we be able to rise | | From these ashes we've sown | -~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 22:44:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Rudis/Morganstein CD review Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.91.970917223953.1727A-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
I just bought the Rudis/Morganstein CD at Virgin Megastore in NY when I was there to watch the taping of the Conan Obrien show. Anyway, I will say this. Get offline, stop whatever you are doing, get in your car, drive until you find this CD and buy at least two copies of it. If you are a prog fan, you must own this. If you saw RM open for DT a few years back, you must get this CD. Did I mention that this CD rules. For those who don't know, Rudis/Morganstein are two people, a drummer and a keyboardist. All instrumentals. The keyboardist uses one keyboard, a Kurzweil K2500X, which is an 88 key keyboard that can do anything. live, they barely use sequences, Jordan plays everything live. These guys are unbelieveable. I was listening to the CD and wonder why DT passed on Jordan as keyboardist, he can play faster than any musician I ever heard. I would say he's the Steve Vai of the keyboard. I would love to see Jordan and Keith Emerson and KEvin More, Rick Wakeman and Derek go at it. Please, for God's sake, get this CD and support some great underground progressive music. I would never steer the Jam wrong. I just have to wonder though: are there any other keyboard-based prog rock bands besides Rudis/Morganstein, ELP, and Magellan? I am completely hooked on keyboard oriented music that is progressive. Somebody point me to more of this stuff.
Reach Damon Fibraio at damon@shell.monmouth.com keyboardist, vocalist, radio personality Deviant of Reality All of us get lost in the darkness, dreamers learn to steer by the stars All of us do time in the gutter, dreamers turn to look at the cars. Neil Peart of Rush
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 22:50:08 -0400 From: Isaac Sabetai <isabetai@bu.edu> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Defending JL (again) Message-ID: <3421E85F.4EEE7CD@bu.edu>
> The best way to judge a person is by his behavior at times of > stress...that's when the real personality is shown, without the minimal > mask of hypocracy everyone has... > May a 1,000 person news crew surround you and start snapping pictures of you and putting their hands in your face. I'm curious to see how you handle that, since it is the way a person's personality should be judged.
> if he thinks of the singing as a "job", there's something really wrong > about it...and this "mod of crazed fans" is what puts food on his table, > so he should be grateful... > JL is a professional singer. He took formal opera singing lessons. He practices his job. He has to work when he is sick (for example the PPV show). Singing is a job, like any other job. Of course JL should be thankful for the crazed fans, they buy his albums. But no human can be perfectly nice to every single fan. He is not a robot.
> >I'm also willing to bet that DT sells more records then Angra. > and the Spice Girls sell more than they both do...your point being? > I was stating that I agreed with JL's statement. I did not mean to imply that there is a correlation between records sold and how good a band is.
Isaac
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 23:04:31 -0400 (EDT) From: "John R. Kotzian" <koggie@cyberspace.org> To: ytsejam@ax.com (Explore The Boundries) Cc: destroyr@teleweb.net (Marc "Tha Destroyer" Scheoch), Subject: Detroit Area Jammers Message-ID: <199709180304.XAA17850@grex.cyberspace.org>
Hey Detroit Jammerz,
The add for the DT FII listening party has been printed in the Metro Times, but they got the address wrong. The correct information follows:
Dream Theater "Falling Into Infinity" Listening Party Sunday, Sept 21, 1997 from 1-3pm @ Sam Goody in the Laurel Park Place Six Mile and Newburgh, in Livonia (6 Mile exit off I-275) SG's Phone #: 313-462-6067
Collectable Giveaways and free pizza.
I have been in contact with many area jammerz and DT fans in the area and the turnout looks really good. I suggest you all wear your ytsejam T-shirts or some other DT apparel so others can recognize you as a fan. Thanx in advance for showing up and have fun.
-- koggie@cyberspace.org is John R. Kotzian Check out the Elsinore homepage @ http://falcon.ic.net/~lloyd/page17.html
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 00:11:15 -0300 (EST) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: APSoG boots??? Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.970918000509.5008A-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Wed, 17 Sep 1997, Jason Hartman wrote:
> After seeing Fates a few weeks ago on tour, I can honestly say that > if Fates were to open for DT and play APSOG - they would blow DT > right out of the venue. No question about it. None of 5 or 6 DT shows > that I've been to have have come close to rocking my nads the way > that Fates did that night. It was unreal.
Ok.
I've heard many, many, many times that Fates rocks so much ass live that any other band can't even come close. But I want to hear "A Pleasant Shade of Gray" live. If you have any of you have any boot of this tour (has it ended), I'd like to trade with you. Please for a(n) (incomplete) list of my bootlegs, check the following URL: <http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html>. It's been quite a long time that I don't have the time to update it (and I've received 6 or 7 new bootlegs that I've not included there), but I'll try to update it soon.
I want to see if Fates can rock this much. :-)
Oh! And if you have *ANY* Metallica video from the "...And Justice for All" era, please let me know and we *will* arrange a trade. I'm specially dying to have any video (the only one that I have is from their box "Live Shit: Binge & Purge") from this tour (NTSC or PAL-M videos only, please).
Thank you very much for the bandwidth, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 23:37:50 -0400 (EDT) From: "Partha S. Mukhopadhyay" <pmukhop@med.wayne.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: FII review for school paper.... Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.970917233403.28865G-100000@moose>
well, i got permission to do one.....so i wrote one up.....
and even though i don't know how long it's supposed to be.....what i did write is up on the web at
http://www.umich.edu/~ahtrap/fii_review.html
do me the favor of looking at it, and tell me if it's too "wide-eyed fan"-ish, or if it's got too many references only a fan would get...or whatever......just looking for a review of the review, because i ain't never done one of these before.......
Partha Mukhopadhyay pmukhop@med.wayne.edu
------------------------------
End of YTSEJAM Digest 2981 **************************
This archive was generated by hypermail 2b30 : Thu Apr 01 2004 - 17:59:53 EST