YTSEJAM Digest 2992
Today's Topics:
1) Re: promos
by Brandon Elhai <belhai@drew.edu>
2) uhhh... titles in songs
by JB <beamup@vt.edu>
3) UNCLASSIFIED:-Re: bonus tracks
by Graham.Boyle.149036@navy.gov.au
4) stuff
by "Don Compton" <soulmadness@hotmail.com>
5) Re: My opinions on FII
by The Phoenix <rctaylor@students.uiuc.edu>
6) Where 'jamanoids turn up
by Phil Carter <carter@negia.net>
7) DT's progability
by ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
8) FIIFIIFIIFIIFIIFII
by ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
9) UNCLASSIFIED:-Re: stuff
by Graham.Boyle.149036@navy.gov.au
10) Re: Fates Warning with the Theater???
by Michael Kizer <mkizer@goodnet.com>
11) Re: Time to adjust
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
12) fii
by Mathew and Melissa <palze@tcccom.net>
13) A Clockwork Orange
by Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
14) DT Album Covers
by Marcelo Vanzin <vanzin@geocities.com>
15) Album Titles in Song Lyrics
by "Chad Allen Klunck" <cak6981@omega.uta.edu>
16) UNCLASSIFIED:-Re: stuff
by Graham.Boyle.149036@navy.gov.au
17) Limp Bizkit sucks. =)
by Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
18) The Quiet Room - Introspect
by cmustard@netdot.com (Mark Lampert)
19) Lemur Voice Website - Needs YOUR imput!
by Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
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Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 18:49:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brandon Elhai <belhai@drew.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: promos
Message-ID: <Pine.PMDF.3.95.970921184607.606104454B-100000@drew.edu>
On Sun, 21 Sep 1997, JB wrote:
> Impatient??? I think we're all impatient... but we didn't "snag promo copies"
> becuase we're impatient, we got them because they were available to us!!! Who
> in their right mind is going to say "NO!!!" to the elektra representative
> who asks
> "You want a free copy of the new album for radio play"??
Well my friend at the radio station got the promo copy of the album a week
ago and asked if I wanted to listen to it. I told him that I'd be waiting
for the release date. Call me crazy but it's a much more rewarding
experience when you get to go down to the CD shop after class (or
sometimes even DURING class) and buy a new album and then just listening
to it in your room for the first time.
Brandon
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Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 19:07:36 -0400
From: JB <beamup@vt.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: uhhh... titles in songs
Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19970921190736.007bfd40@mail.vt.edu>
>Hey jammers:
>
>I forget who was mentioning it, but DT uses "When dream and day
>unite" in Only A Matter of Time. I dunno of any other album that
>has the title in a song.
ummm....
"where ***IMAGES AND WORDS*** are running deep... she has too
much pride to pull the sheets above her head... so quietly she lays
and waits for sleep" -- wait for sleep (I&W)
"Until the circle breaks, and wisdom lies ahead, the faithful live
***AWAKE*** , the rest remain mislead"
-- Innocence Faded (Awake)
my roomate is playing that #@$*&$@$@^(@$ choo-choo song... ugh.
(that song has a total of what... 4 words in it?).
*puke*
Jason
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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 09:07:55 +1000
From: Graham.Boyle.149036@navy.gov.au
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: UNCLASSIFIED:-Re: bonus tracks
Message-ID: <4A256519.007EEECF.00@nschq-e-navy.navy.gov.au>
AFAIK they are still the demo's of 'Where Are You Now' and 'Raise The
Knife', dunno if RTK is with or wothout vocals though.
gRaham_
99ABEL@alma.edu on 22/09/97 08:46:46 AM
Please respond to ytsejam@ax.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
cc: (bcc: Graham Boyle/NRC/HMAS WATSON/NAVY/AU)
Subject: bonus tracks
What are the bonus tracks on the Japanese release of FII?
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Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 16:26:25 PDT
From: "Don Compton" <soulmadness@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: stuff
Message-ID: <19970921232626.12706.qmail@hotmail.com>
The two bonus tracks on the Japanese version of Falling Into Infinity
are Speak To Me and a demo version of Take Away My Pain. I really wish
they would've put Where Are You Now on it though.
Album reviews:
Paradise Lost- One Minute
Excellent beyond belief. I don't care what any asshole says about them
selling out and using industrial influences on their new album because
the sound works so well. The music is haunting yet the album is
uplifting in a musical sense. Its also a great album to listen to when
your really depressed or pissed..."and for one second, I understand and
for one second, my life was in your hands...." Amazing shit.
Bruce Dickinson- Accident Of Birth
I like the album but not all of the songs caught my attention like I was
expecting. The catchiest song on the album is Road To Hell (which should
be a single). Man Of Sorrows and Arc Of Space are both amazing ballads
and Taking The Queen is my absolute favorite..the use of the
part-ballad-part metal tune always gets to me.
Dream Theater- Precious Things
Great job, Mike. This is better than I expected. Lost Without You moves
me to tears everytime while the live version of A Change Of Seasons just
rocks...my fave part in that is when James sneers..."let's feed off him
misery". Surprisingly, I didn't care for Raise The Knife. The Covers
Medley is awesome although Innocense Faded isn't a song I ever cared
for. Overall, a great album, though.
Enertia- Momentum
Another tight album from the straight-forward metal group out of
Gloverville, New York. I still think Law Of Three was much better but
songs like Dear God and Ripped Out are just plain killer.
Testament- Demonic
Hate it. Too heavy and most people I've met agree with me. Where the
hell is the Testament that we all love and know? John Doe is the only
half-way decent song on the album. Sorry
Awaiting my copy of Falling Into Infinity and Savatage's The Wake Of
Magellan.
Don Compton
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Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 18:28:37 -0500 (CDT)
From: The Phoenix <rctaylor@students.uiuc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: My opinions on FII
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970921181815.23429B-100000@ux9.cso.uiuc.edu>
Andrea Fabris said:
> (it reminds me of "Lady Jane" by Quensryche): it's OK to put a slow, but
> three (and this "I've yet listened to 'em" three)!!! Perhaps Bon Jovi
> docet..... or perhaps some pressure from the label took effect (Mike Portnoy
> said that their label pushed for a "commercial turn").
I haven't listened to any of the new stuff so I don't know how
slow the songs you're talking about are, but I&W had WFS, AD, and
Surrounded (3 mellow songs) and Awake had The Silent Man, LSOAD, and
Space-Dye Vest (3 mellow songs). It seems to be their ongoing tradition.
I think that makes 2 people that said Anna Lee is reminiscent of
Queensryche's Lady Jane. I wouldn't mind...that's my fave QR song!
Well, in a little over 24 hours I'll judge for myself.
-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-
| Robert Taylor The world may seem flown away |
| rctaylor@uiuc.edu Almost as if it cannot be saved |
| The Phoenix Will we be able to rise |
| From these ashes we've sown |
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Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 19:34:41 -0400
From: Phil Carter <carter@negia.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Where 'jamanoids turn up
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970921193441.0068e644@pop.negia.net>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids...
Brian quoth:
>So I get home and read the jam and what do I find out? That I talked to
>Brandon "Taco Belhai" Elhai! This is too weird. Has anyone else ever
>unexpectedly run into a jammer at a totally non-DT related event? Other
>prog concerts don't count.
I know you said other prog concerts don't count, Brian, but you all might
find this amusing...
I went to Rush's "Test for Echo" tour in Atlanta last December. Buying a
T-shirt, I bump into somebody else who just in passing mentions that he's
going to see DT in Birch Hill in a day or so. I look at him and say "Are
you on the ytsejam?" He nods, and I find out he's Paul Cashman. Paul and I
chat about DT and Rush for a bit then split for our seats.
Two days later I read a review on the Rush mailing list from Paul. He
mentions running into another Rush mailing list member while buying
T-shirts (that was me). I shake my head, because I hadn't noticed Paul was
wearing the NMS (Rush mailing list) T-shirt -- I'd just started talking to
him.
Heh. Anybody else ever run into another 'jammer *without* benefit of a
DT-related T-shirt to help out? :)
Cheers,
Phil
=========================================================
Phil Carter -- carter@negia.net http://www.negia.net/~carter
"Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life."
-- Berthold Auerbach
"Music brings peace to the restless, and comforts the sorrowful. They who
no longer know where to turn find new ways. And those who have despaired,
gain new confidence and love." -- Pablo Casals
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Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 19:03:36 -0400
From: ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: DT's progability
Message-ID: <19970921140207.AAA28498@sni.pananet.com>
I've noticed there are ppl here that seem to like DT mostly because of
their 'proginess', and are therefore heavily dissapointed when DT plays
'simple' songs. Now I admit that the middle section of Metropolis is what
made me pay more attention to these guys. And I was raving all the time
about how awesome and talented they were, etc. But two things have happend
since:
1) I heard with I&W what they were capable of.
2) I realized that there are many musicians and bands out there (in many
genres) with just as much, or more, talent.
After this, i stopped being impressed by their technique. When I got Awake,
aside from the quintuplet part in the Erotomania solo i wasn't impressed
from a technically point of view. But I still love DT. Why? Because apart
from the technique, they have a quality which is hard to find. An
undescribable 'power' or 'energy'. It's impossible to explain but every
time I'm bored of a certain CD i'm listening too, I'll feel like putting on
DT because they have what the rest don't. Few others have that (I guess
it's different for everybody). For me it's been Metallica, Maiden,
Satriani, Extreme, Rush, and most recently Tool. And that's what I'm
looking for in DT's music. Not odd time sigs and difficult solos. I don't
care if they write simple songs, change the logo, shave their heads,
whatever. As long as they have undesbribable thing they will remain my
favorite band. Anybody else feel the same way?
Just a thought
Ernesto
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Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 18:47:21 -0400
From: ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: FIIFIIFIIFIIFIIFII
Message-ID: <19970921140443.AAA28555@sni.pananet.com>
>
> At 14:28 17.09.97 -0700, Eric Herrmann wrote:
> >Another thing, I was the first who talked to JlB attitude. I don't
> >want to start a fight between the Jammers but I just want to say that
> >Jlb said cleary that he wants DT to become the new Pink Floyd.
> >So look at the cover, listen to some music in FII, he is right. But I
He said they wanted to reach the Rush and Pink Floyd fans. This doesn't
necesariliy mean they're gonna sound like them. Aside from PS, I don't
hear much Floyd in the new stuff.
>> I forget who was mentioning it, but DT uses "When dream and day
>> unite" in Only A Matter of Time. I dunno of any other album that
>> has the title in a song.
>
>"Images and words" is used in Wait for Sleep. I don't know about "Awake",
>but it wouldn't surprise me at all if it's used somewhere.
Come on guys, this is standard ytse-knowledge :)
>"Falling Into Infinity" isn't a bad album, but I expected more from DT
than
>"Hollow Years" (the worst song in FII), "Take Away my Pain" and "Anna Lee"
>(it reminds me of "Lady Jane" by Quensryche): it's OK to put a slow, but
>three (and this "I've yet listened to 'em" three)!!! Perhaps Bon Jovi
What's wrong with ballads? I guess in the past DT hasn't had much slow
songs, but just beacuse they do, there's nothing wrong with that. You just
sound like you don't like slow music. oh well.
Ernesto
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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 10:12:13 +1000
From: Graham.Boyle.149036@navy.gov.au
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: UNCLASSIFIED:-Re: stuff
Message-ID: <4A256519.00833E20.00@nschq-e-navy.navy.gov.au>
Paradise Lost new album is called 'One Second' and not 'One Minute'.
Whether you are a new fan of PL or not, there are no industrial influences
on their at all, how about a slight 'techno' influence on a couple of
songs and one big Depeche Mode influence overall ? Singer Nick Holmes said
they were a big influence on 'OS' in an interview in the fan club
newsletter back in January. It is a damned fine album, but not a patch on
it's predecessor, 'Draconian Times'
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Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 17:43:07 -0700
From: Michael Kizer <mkizer@goodnet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Fates Warning with the Theater???
Message-ID: <3425BF1B.DE8C61A2@goodnet.com>
Brandon Elhai wrote:
>
> I read on the FW newsgroup that FW would be touring with DT on their
> upcoming US your. Can anyone confirm or deny this? Thanks.
Ray told me that they were trying to get a tour with DT all figured
out, but it wasn't a done deal... I'll let everyone know if I hear more
about it...
-- .----------------------------------------------------------------------. | ~Michael Kizer ---<***>--- Tucson, Arizona | mkizer@goodnet.com | | URL: http://www.goodnet.com/~mkizer | mkizer@csc.com | | \\_ Fates Warning - Island in the Stream _// | fugazi@weirdness.com | | // Dream Theater - "Unofficial" Song Book \\ +-----------------------| | ~Sola sapientia est qui me in merda posuit~ | ICQ UIN# 2070538 | | ..oOo.. Mirabilis World-Wide Pager: http://wwp.mirabilis.com/2070538 | *----------------------------------------------------------------------*------------------------------
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 18:44:40 -0700 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Time to adjust Message-ID: <199709220144.SAA14632@gms.gmsnet.com>
Hey Pasi
Just keep telling yourself it sucks... just keep telling yourself it's a disappointment...
Maybe you'll never enjoy the album...
Hehehheh
-The Doc
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Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 20:59:13 -0500 (CDT) From: Mathew and Melissa <palze@tcccom.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: fii Message-ID: <199709220159.UAA21507@bsd-03.tcccom.net>
hey all, just got done listening to fii(again), and i gotta say, 'hollow years' and 'anna lee' are my favorites. it seems everytime i listen to the album, i notice something different. :) in my honest opinion, this album rules.
mathew
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Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 22:05:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com (Ytsejam Mailing List) Subject: A Clockwork Orange Message-ID: <199709220205.WAA26646@ruby.cs.brandeis.edu>
I was just going through the channels, and stopped on Cinemax, who was showing A Clockwork Orange, just at the beginning, and I hear a familiar song, the opening theme from the movie is the music that DT opened with on the Fix For '96 tour.... I can't believe it...
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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 01:48:55 -0300 From: Marcelo Vanzin <vanzin@geocities.com> To: Freaks R Us <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: DT Album Covers Message-ID: <33F7D437.25309D2A@geocities.com>
Hey jammanoids!
I've seen some people discussing about the album names being mentioned in the lyrics... Aside from that, there's another thing I've not seen (if that picture in Mike Bahr's page is the album cover, I'm not sure of it =) ): the "cover puzzle" thing, the "coincidences" between the artwork in the cover and the songs names/lyrics...
Yeah, DT has changed a lot... Hope this changes remain to the album artwotk and names. =)
-- []'s /**********************************************\ |* Marcelo Vanzin *| |* vanzin@geocities.com *| |* http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/6308/ *| \**********************************************/
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Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 21:59:17 -0500 From: "Chad Allen Klunck" <cak6981@omega.uta.edu> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Album Titles in Song Lyrics Message-ID: <199709220303.WAA04665@omega.uta.edu>
Lemme see here.
(Note: This includes only the three "studio" albums; not LaTM or ACoS, even though they were official releases, they were not 100% studio. This is my game, so I can make up the rules as I go. :) )
When Dream and Day Unite: Track 8 (Only a Matter of Time) Images and Word: Track 7 (Wait for Sleep) Awake: Track 6 (The Silent Man, among others)
Thus:
Falling Into Infinity: Track 5 (Burning My Soul)
It's subliminal...really...it's there...honest. :)
Chad (Raytheon)
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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 12:47:51 +1000 From: Graham.Boyle.149036@navy.gov.au To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: UNCLASSIFIED:-Re: stuff Message-ID: <4A25651A.000F10A7.00@nschq-e-navy.navy.gov.au>
Sorry to re-post, but my last one got chopped in half:
Paradise Lost's new album is called 'One Second' and not 'One Minute'. Whether you are a new fan of PL or not, there are no industrial influences on their at all, how about a slight 'techno' influence on a couple of songs and one big Depeche Mode influence overall ? Singer Nick Holmes said they were a big influence on 'OS' in an interview in the fan club newsletter back in January. It is a damned fine album, but not a patch on it's predecessor, 'Draconian Times' The drums on OS sound so cold and programmed, which is a shame, the drumming on 'DT' was brilliant.
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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 00:01:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org> To: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU> Subject: Limp Bizkit sucks. =) Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.970921235958.4035A-100000@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
> Limp Bizkit kicks ass. I got into these guys while still at UVM. If you= > 're = > ever in the mood for music that's really heavy, without all that intellec= > tual = > mucking about that Dream Theater requires, try some Bizkit. > And it amazes me that someone would think that LB are KoRn wannabes, just=
Let me be the first to say how badly this band is. They are _so_ bad that they got BOOED OFF THE STAGE last night. Really. After like 30 minutes. They were _that_ bad. It was like a cross between Korn and Vanilla Ice.
eeeeeek.
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Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 23:04:13 -0500 From: cmustard@netdot.com (Mark Lampert) To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: The Quiet Room - Introspect Message-ID: <19970922035918409.AAA180@cmustard.vonl.com>
Ahoy,
Everyone go to www.knightsoftheround.com and listen to the RealAudio files of their featured artist of the month, The Quiet Room, and their CD "Introspect" now. I rather like what I hear. And if that doesn't "do it" for you, DT FII is out TUESDAY!!!!! · • Colonel Mustard • ·
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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 00:05:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org> To: A Ytse Besides Itself <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Lemur Voice Website - Needs YOUR imput! Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.970922000255.4035B-100000@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
Hiys Kids.
I'm adding a section on the Lemur Voice site called "Reviews" and this is what i'm requesting:
I'm looking for people to write a review of Insights, the debut album from Marcel and the boys. The more you write, the better (obviously). I'll be taking them and putting them up for show in the "reviews" section of the page.
With that in mind, i'll be taking submissions for the next few weeks. Send it to either syrinx@dreamt.org or syrinx@mindspring.com with the SUBJECT of: Lemur Voice Review. I thank you for your time, and i hope to read some of the reviews shortly.
- mike.
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