YTSEJAM Digest 2988
Today's Topics:
1) My bad, reviews
by Jay Omega <jw@winternet.com>
2) Re: Bands reviews...
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
3) FII Mirror
by Mike Jones <mgjones@mcs.net>
4) FALLING INTO INFINITY SCANS
by Tim Lodge <axe@mail1.nai.net>
5) Fates Warning Live Video
by Dan <drussell@thunder.ocis.temple.edu>
6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2987
by Dan <drussell@thunder.ocis.temple.edu>
7) Re: Mike Oldfield
by "Dale R. Newberry" <Dale.R.Newberry@MO.NET>
8) New albums....
by Markus Stahl <stahl@primenet.com>
9) DT tour in North America...
by "II Stephane Fortin" <s21639@rmc.ca>
10) Re: JLB/
by JamesAhab@aol.com
11) Re: JLB/Damn the Machine/Opinion of FII
by JamesAhab@aol.com
12) DT on MTV/ email trouble
by ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
13) Re: Tool?
by ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
14) 98 rock baltimore
by Chris Daley <cdaley@gmu.edu>
15) german release date / FII promo posters
by Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@KR.FH-Niederrhein.DE>
16) Sorry...
by Anders <scarred@dreamt.org>
17) I'm sorry, FII sucks
by Pasi Sundqvist <psundqvi@planet.fi>
18)
by al682@osfn.rhilinet.gov (Dan Abosso)
19) Re: I'm sorry, FII sucks
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
20) [NDTC] Re: Info on bands needed....
by Andrew Berry <andrew@aberry.demon.co.uk>
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Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 17:53:05 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jay Omega <jw@winternet.com>
To: Just Words <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: My bad, reviews
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.970919173100.29955A-100000@parka.winternet.com>
]From: Jon Byrne <rael@access.mountain.net>
>>One word: "Mastermind". The only band I think of as 'keyboard metal.'
>
>Uh, um, well, actually, Mastermind's "keyboard" stuff is actually Bill
>Berends playing MIDI guitar. No real keys, at least on the two albums I
>have.
Augh! I knew that; shows what I get for posting late at night...
>>If you can find it, the British band "Shadowland" is awesome; it has
>>Clive Nolan on keys. Clive is also keys for
>>"IQ", "Pendragon", and "Arena", but they aren't keyboard-driven the way
>>Shadowland is.
>
>I guess two out of three ain't bad. :) Actually, the keyboard player for
>IQ is Martin Orford.
Now, that, I didn't know. Where did I hear that Clive was their
keyboardist? Probably on r.m.p at some point...
>I own both the first Arena album and Shadoland's _Mad as A
>Hatter_ and find nothing special about the keyboard playing on either
>one. Same with the one Pendragon I heard. I guess that's just me, tho'.
Well, Clive's keys are like Rothery's guitar. Good, emotional, but
not over-the-top. IMAO, of course. :)
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]From: Shane Liebling <jusenkyo@uclink4.berkeley.edu>
>Doctor Nervous
Umm... experimental. Other than that, hard to describe.
Pretty much everything on the Cuneiform label is.
>Renaissance
Awesome. Tremendous femal vocals from Annie Haslam, who's
still around today. The rest of the band is keys, drums,
bass-guitar-as-lead, acoustic-guitar-as-rhythm, and, on
their later albums, the London Philharmonic Orchestra.
Their sound is about 20% rock, 10% jazz, and 70% classical.
Their middle-of-their-lifetime stuff is the best; from
'Ashes Are Burning' in 1973 until 'A Song For All Seasons'
in 1978. The albums just before and after these (Prologue
and Azure D'Or) are OK but not quite as good. The 'Tales
of 1001 Nights' compilations are good, too, as are the
'King Biscuit' releases. (The KB's have some sort of
amp hum on them, though; kinda inexcusable with today's
tech.)
There's a fan web page at (last time I looked)
http://user.mc.net/jtl/nlights/index.htm
>Peter Hammil
>Hawkwind
>Gong
>Mike Oldfield
Don't know enough to comment on these.
--Jay "but that didn't stop me yesterday :)" Omega
--NP: Radiohead - OK Computer
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Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 20:20:00 -0300 (EST)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Bands reviews...
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.970919201010.17514B-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Fri, 19 Sep 1997, Seroussi wrote:
> > From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
> > Subject: The Gathering??
>
> Before asking such general questions about bands I'd recommend checking
> these pages:
Well, well... Maybe you missed the point where I stated that I had
already seen some homepages about the bands, but the information I got was
not quite what I expected... And you know: who can describe a band better
than an Ytsejammer?? Very few people, you know.
> A Land Forlorn - Music Pages http://www.unc.edu/~jtb/music/
Well, they have a great interview with Opeth there (in fact, I use
the web a lot, since I'm a system administrator and I'm almost aways
having to configure and test my system...)
> The BNR Metal Pages http://www-cse.ucsd.edu/users/bruss/Metal/Metal.html
>
> The BNR Metal Pages contain mostly reviews (around 500 bands), and A
> Land Forlorn has some detailed pages for bands and lots of links...
Have you ever seen the depth with which the bands are described on
this mailing list? And have you ever seen the depth with which the bands
are described on that homepage???
> I don't recommend going to this "Ultimate Band List" as they usually
> don't have the obscure bands and there are lots of dead links...
If you want to know about some *REALLY* obscure bands, you can
check the Mega Metal's Homepage (I think that this is the name)... Some
great stuff there...
BTW, if you people are interested in hearing to some very
interesting things you should really check Therion's "Theli" and In
Flames's "The Jester Race". I'll post some long reviews if I'm asked to.
BTW 2, thank you very much for the "The Gathering" reviews...
[]s, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=------------------------------
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 18:26:44 -0500 (CDT) From: Mike Jones <mgjones@mcs.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: FII Mirror Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.3.95.970919182225.9593A-100000@Mercury.mcs.net>
I will leave a mirror up for FII mp3's for the weekend at ns1.visprop.com.
Use anonymous ftp and look in the directory pub/dt.
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Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 19:22:08 -0400 From: Tim Lodge <axe@mail1.nai.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: FALLING INTO INFINITY SCANS Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19970919192208.0071e524@ct1.nai.net>
Hi All.. Through God's good graces (and a little bit of good luck) I was able to pick up 'Falling into Infinity" today! I revved up my scanner and scanned in the cover, cd, and liner notes if anyone out there cares to take a quick preview of what the actual cd looks like ...
If anyone is interested they may get to the scans through my web page at:
Thanks!!
Tim Lodge axe@ct1.nai.net
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Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 21:37:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan <drussell@thunder.ocis.temple.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Fates Warning Live Video Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.970919213643.17229A-100000@thunder.ocis.temple.edu>
If anyone knows the release date of APSOG live video..please let me know in private email...thanks
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Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 21:39:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan <drussell@thunder.ocis.temple.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2987 Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.970919213847.17229B-100000@thunder.ocis.temple.edu>
Once again I will ask....How does everyone on here already seem to have a copy of the new Dream Theater album...sometimes I just think a lot of people on here just make shit up!!!! Please respond to me...thanks
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Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 21:23:58 +0000 From: "Dale R. Newberry" <Dale.R.Newberry@MO.NET> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Mike Oldfield Message-ID: <199709200222.VAA27550@Walden.MO.NET>
> - Dinosaur prog with new age. This depends on which album you listen to. If > I think of Mike I think of "Tubular Bell", "Ommadawn" and "Platinum" are > also good. Tubular Bells is his trademark. If you want to try some of his > stuff please do not start with the ones in the 70's, don't start with > anything in the late 80's. Tubular Bells also appeared on the soundtrack for The Exorcist. Cool music.
Dale R. Newberry "People will watch anything, as long as it's dumb." -Beavis "There's a fine line between stupid and clever." -David St. Hubbins
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Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 20:46:14 -0700 From: Markus Stahl <stahl@primenet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: New albums.... Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970919204614.00797100@mailhost.primenet.com>
Well I just got done sifting through about 30 or so jams...what a tiring process I'm never going to get behind in reading like I did this time.... :)
Well anyway I've picked up a few albums in the reent weeks and I wanted to see if anyone else have heard any of these albums or even bands for that matter..
The first one is Enchant "Blueprint...." - I know everybody knows about this band and all i can say is wow....I was totally expecting balls and chunk, but it didn't matter, the album is great anyway.
I also got Stratovarious "Visions" - This album rocks nads also, it totally reminds me of old Yngwie. On my copy , the first two tracks are switched from the liner and there are 2 hidden tracks, the first is a repeat(I think) of Black Diamonds, the first track, and the second is a live track. Anyone know the song name for this and also if the second version of "Black Dimond" is the same as the first....? Please e-mail me if you know.
On to the next....
Divine Regale....totally kicks....I like this alot. I have been playing this for over a week until I was on Knights of the Round and saw their featured artist was The Quiet Room" for 11.99 and no shipping!! I listened to the samples and immediately purchased this album. I got it in the mail 3 days later. What can I say....prog with alot of Balls and Chunk!!! Totally kick ass....
Then my friend of mine(Paul, you know who you are) calls me up and says he picked yup the new Incubus "S.C.I.E.N.C.E." album. I excellent, go pick it up and now it's getting full rotation in my cd player right now(until tuesday that is :) Incubus is....well...different. i first heard them open for Primus....or was it 311. I can't remember, anyway if you want to hear some sample check out their web site, you will be pleasently surprised. It's... http://www.epiccenter.com/EpicCenter/Incubus/ and click on the book! Tere are samples of all the songs on the album!! If anybody want's any more info let me know.....
Now what to listen too....?
Till tuesday!
-mark
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Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 23:47:34 -0400 From: "II Stephane Fortin" <s21639@rmc.ca> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: DT tour in North America... Message-ID: <34234755.28AB975D@rmc.ca>
Hi Ytsejammers! I just wanted to know, is there anyone who know if DT is gonna do any concert in Canada throughout their tour in North America. If they do, when and where? I'd really like to know, facing the fact I've never seen them live.
Take care all!!!
Stef Le Dragon
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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 01:39:58 -0400 (EDT) From: JamesAhab@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: JLB/ Message-ID: <970920013957_1364614348@emout13.mail.aol.com>
<< I never had the oputunity to see them alive. I just see the video Live In > Tokio and I don't like his presence on stage he isn't very nice with the > rest of the band. > >>
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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 02:05:42 -0400 (EDT) From: JamesAhab@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: JLB/Damn the Machine/Opinion of FII Message-ID: <970920020541_2030517459@emout10.mail.aol.com>
>< I never had the oputunity to see them alive. I just see the video Live In Tokio and I don't like his presence on stage ><
I have to agree completely. LiT is the only live performance I've seen, and while the musicianship was near-perfect, the vocals where bad, compared to what we know KJLB is capable of. Also, he looked like a jackass running around, swinging his air all around. He doesn't have an instrument to play, I undestand that, but his antics during instrumental parts just look idiotic. I guess he's not a very good "showmen".
I was told by a fellow 'Jammer that Damn the Machine had broken up or the voclaist left. I was told by someone else that they changed their name to 'Mumbo's Brain'. I'm wondering if they have any album's out aside from their self-entitled '93 release. I actually got into DTM just before Dream Theater. Anyway, any info on the group would be appreciated as well as any info on vocalist Dave Clemmons new project, if any.
As for my opinions on FII: I HAVE NONE! I have not heard one second of any song on the entire album, and I couldn't be any happier by that fact! I'll be going in frsh on Tuesday.
NP- Savatage: Streets (A Rock Opera)
P.S.: Sorry about that previous post of mine, I accidentally sent the mail before I finished it
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Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 15:29:50 -0400 From: ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack) To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: DT on MTV/ email trouble Message-ID: <19970919200954.AAA7678@sni.pananet.com>
yep, uh-huh, like the subject says. A friend of mine told me he saw DT on MTV. PMU of course. But get this. Not on Headbangers, and not at 4:00 in the morning. In plain daylight (midday more or less) in regular programming. Now, I mean, shit, I know that PMU got decent exposure back when it came out, but man, this is just too cool. It was Latino MTV, mind you, so you ppl in the US keep an eye out for it..it might just show up:)
Another thing. These last couple of days my mail server went to the shits, so I haven't recieved any email from Wednesday or Thursday. The server says that I'll eventually get all my mail, but i've learned not to trust them:) So if anybody wrote to me in those days, or replied to any of my posts, please send them to me again (privately of course).
thanks, Ernesto
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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 01:33:27 -0400 From: ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack) To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Tool? Message-ID: <19970919203001.AAA7826@sni.pananet.com>
> Actually as far as I was told, the reason you can't make out some of the > lyrics is because they pump the vocalist's coice through a bunch of > synthesized filters to give it that almost electronic feel too it. Take it > easy and be rady for it on the 23rd! >
No, he does use a lot of effects , especially on Ænima, but the guy was simply blessed with an incredibely cool voice:)
>Once again I will ask....How does everyone on here already seem to have a >copy of the new Dream Theater album...sometimes I just think a lot of >people on here just make shit up!!!!
It's called, "Living in Europe" :)
Ernesto
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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 03:16:06 -0400 From: Chris Daley <cdaley@gmu.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: 98 rock baltimore Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970920031604.007cc7c0@mason.gmu.edu>
For those one or two jammers in the D.C. area who listen to 98 rock in baltimore...I was driving home...and at 2:55am this saturday morning I heard "Burning My Soul". It took me by surprise...first coz I've never heard dream theater on the radio before...and second it sounded a bit different...it wasn't really progressive...it was just a kickass metal song...i like i like i like.. I wonder if 98 rock actually plays it during the day heh...
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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 10:02:15 -0700 From: Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@KR.FH-Niederrhein.DE> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: german release date / FII promo posters Message-ID: <34240197.448@kr.fh-niederrhein.de>
Hi
Yesterday (Friday), I went to the city (Krefeld in Germany) to buy Falling
Into Infinity. But it was not avalible :-(((((((((((((((((((((((((
The release date for Germany was originaly: 19,09,97.
I went to Düsseldorf and the bigesst music store WOM (World Of Music) said
that FII will be out on 22,09,97. :-(((((
On my way back to the railway station, there were big promotional posters of
FII all around. It was so cool. The poster size is 1,5 x 0,8 m. Really cool
original Dream Theater font !!! and the message "New Album out on 22,09,97
and also a big picture of the cover. After walking around for a while, I've
found 7 Posters all around the city. Great, I should make some photos ;-)
Well, I have to wait until Monday :-(((
Sorry about my English (sometimes not correct).
Arash -------------------------------------------------------------------------- | PROG OR DIE - The Progressive Music Page | | | | DREAM THEATER - FATES WARNING - ROYAL HUNT - SHADOW GALLERY | | | | http://lionel.kr.fh-niederrhein.de/~ashouria/index.htm | | | | by Arash Ashouriha | | | | ashouria@kr.fh-niederrhein.de | --------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 14:32:29 +0200 From: Anders <scarred@dreamt.org> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Sorry... Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970920143229.0069b284@dredd.swipnet.se>
Hi..
I just accidentally sent 10-12 old digests to the ytsejam when I tried to move them to another mailbox... I'm really sorry, and I hope it won't cause you too much problems..
/Anders
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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 16:11:20 +0200 (GMT) From: Pasi Sundqvist <psundqvi@planet.fi> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: I'm sorry, FII sucks Message-ID: <199709201411.QAA07479@planet.fi>
This same thing happened with the latest Queesryche. The change of line into grunge which sells better. I bought FII on Friday morning but I don't aggree with Mike, this stuff doens't sound amazing. It's lame. Where are the odd time signatures? Where are the complicated polyrhythms? What happened to the wild odd solo parts in the middle of the songs? Yeah, sure, Mike tries to play so that it sounds more complicated than it is, but it cannot help. If I want to listen to this kind of straightforward songs, I'll buy Rolling Stones or Nirvana, but I doubt. I must say I'm disappointed. I'll rather listen to Images and Words.
Pasi
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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 11:11:07 -0400 (EDT) From: al682@osfn.rhilinet.gov (Dan Abosso) To: ytsejam@ax.com Message-ID: <199709201511.LAA21558@osfn.org>
Does anyone know a site that has pictures of the DT when they were teenagers and such? - Dan
-- Meek and obedient, you follow the leader Down well trodden corridors into the Valley of Steel...
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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 11:13:38 -0400 From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: I'm sorry, FII sucks Message-ID: <3423E822.BADE2C49@caribe.net>
Pasi Sundqvist wrote:
> This same thing happened with the latest Queesryche. The change of line into > grunge which sells better. I bought FII on Friday morning but I don't aggree > with Mike, this stuff doens't sound amazing. It's lame. Where are the odd > time signatures? Where are the complicated polyrhythms?
Is this guy f*cking serious?? ... try a new millenium,lines in the sand...
> What happened to the > wild odd solo parts in the middle of the songs?
what about just let me breathe?.. I take it you havent really listened to this album
>
--
Carpe Diem...Seize the Day... Dream Theater: A Change of Seasons http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro mailto:calfaro@caribe.net mailto:progboy@mindless.com Universal Internet Number (ICQ) 1254229
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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 14:53:04 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Berry <andrew@aberry.demon.co.uk> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: [NDTC] Re: Info on bands needed.... Message-ID: <Marcel-1.26-0920135304-bc8evuQ@aberry.demon.co.uk>
In <URL:news:local.ytsejam> on Fri 19 Sep, Stefan Rau wrote: > > OK, it's about time for me to make another big order for some new CDs, > and there's a few that I know I want, but also some that I'm not so > sure of, so I thought I'd appeal to the 'Jam for assistance. So, if > anyone out there has any opinions, reviews, descriptions, or ideas > about the best CDs to start with for the following bands, I'd be > eternally grateful if you'd share: > > Helloween
The two classic albums are "Keeper of the Seven Keys" parts I and II. They're both worth getting and are fairly similar - if you haven't heard them then you're really missing out! Before these came a Mini-LP (self-titled) and an album (Walls of Jericho), both of which are excellent as well as being heavier and featuring Kai Hansen (now in Gamma Ray) on vocals.
After the two Keeper albums came "Pink bubbles go ape" - slightly less happy-sounding and a bit more adventurous musically. Next is "Chameleon", the album which a lot of Helloween fans hate. I like it, but it's totally different from any of their other albums - slower, more atmospheric but with fewer of the catchy, "cheesy" melodies.
A change of vocalist took place before their next release, "Master of the Rings", with Michael Kiske being replaced by Andi Deris. I'm not so keen on Andi's voice, but "Master" is a decent album with some cracking tunes - noticebably "Where the rain grows" which is very reminiscent of the "Keeper"-era material.
The latest album is "The Time of the Oath", similar in style to "Master" but with a larger number of excellent songs. I don't like the production on this as much as on their previous albums.
I'd advise you to start with the "Keeper" albums (mine was a double release featuring both CDs in one package) unless you find cheesy melodies off-putting, in which case "Pink bubbles" or "Chameleon" might be better for you. If you like it a bit heavier and more aggressive then "Walls of Jericho" is a must, despite the awful production.
Hope this helps!
Cheers, -- +--Andrew Berry (webmaster, Metal Links) ----------------------------------+ | 4700 links to metal pages - http://www.aberry.demon.co.uk/metallinks/ | +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | "Nowadays the air's polluted; ancient people persecuted, | | That's what mankind contributed to create a better time." | +----------------------------------------------------- Helloween ----------+
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