YTSEJAM Digest 2999
Today's Topics:
1) MESA BOOGIE / UAGM
by Francisco Miguel <f.miguel@mail.telepac.pt>
2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2996
by "ÞrØgßø¥" <calfaro@caribe.net>
3) Different Track listing
by <CNG@tcco.com> "Chung Ng"
4) Baltimore and DC Ytsejammers!
by Steve Chew <schew@tis.com>
5) Re: King Crimson
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
6) Jon's FII Review pt.2
by Jon Dery <metropolis@net1plus.com>
7) Lines, Kotzen, springs, and coffee cans...
by "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.Belvoir.Army.Mil>
8) FII/DT logo
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
9) Witch Hunter Z
by Chris Ptacek <someone@prognosis.com>
10) Can't find FII?
by Suzanne Morrison <smorriso@swspectrum.com>
11) THE Album
by cmustard@netdot.com (Mark Lampert)
12) Something about FII...
by Fabio Cavani <fabio.cavani@mo.nettuno.it>
13) Eve connection?
by evan andrew nelson <enelson@students.uiuc.edu>
14) Attn: All guitarists, bass players, and drummers
by Brandon Vaughn <vaughn_b@chipola.cc.fl.us>
15) Re: King Crimson
by cluesump@sirius.com (Charoenkwan Luesumphan)
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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 18:09:21 +0200
From: Francisco Miguel <f.miguel@mail.telepac.pt>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: MESA BOOGIE / UAGM
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970923160921.00663448@mail.telepac.pt>
1- Does anyone know how to save to the hard disk those PetruCCIE
sound samples at Mesa Boogie homepage? When I try to hear them
again (after saving the samples) , the computer says I have to
connect to the net...
2- Can anyone send me the chord progression (preferably taken
from the official booklet) the synth plays during the UAGM
guitar solo?
Thanks
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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 13:22:16 -0400
From: "ÞrØgßø¥" <calfaro@caribe.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2996
Message-ID: <3427FAC8.3EFFF625@caribe.net>
>
>
> Tidbit o' the day: Up to and including his performance on Poison's
> _Flesh and Blood_, shredder Richie Kotzen insisted on recording all of his
> guitar parts while completely naked. No word on whether his subsequent
> releases were recorded in this manner. Kinda nasty, huh?
>
Didnt Kotzen join poison when CC was fired?? ...that was way after flesh and
blood right? .. Im not flaming..just asking..cuz i dont know my Poison too well!
jeje Keep on jammin.... to Fii if possible! :)
In the stream of consciousness
There is a river crying
Living comes much easier
Once we admit , We're dying.
Dream Theater: Lines in the Sand
http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro
mailto:calfaro@caribe.net mailto:progboy@mindless.com
Universal Internet Number (ICQ) 1254229
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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 97 13:28:11 EDT
From: <CNG@tcco.com> "Chung Ng"
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Different Track listing
Message-ID: <vines.3hH8+Eiz7oA@tcx.tcco.com>
I just read a track listing on the Jam and it's different than the promo that
I got. Mine has the following:
New Millenium
You Not Me
Peruvian Skies
Hollow Years
Burning My Soul
Hells Kitchen
Lines In The Sand
Take Away My Pain
Just Let Me Breathe
Anna Lee
Trial of Tears
- It's Raining
- Deep In Heaven
- The Wasteland
Is this the same as everyone else's?
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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 13:29:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: Steve Chew <schew@tis.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Baltimore and DC Ytsejammers!
Message-ID: <199709231729.NAA27999@clipper.hq.tis.com>
Hey, all you Baltimore and DC Ytsejammers, it sounds like DT is
now being played on 98 Rock in Baltimore (though I haven't heard it yet,
darn it), so now we should try to get DT played on DC101.
Just send email to DC101 (request@dc101.com) and ask them to
play Burning My Soul. I've heard them play DT in the background while
giving a promo for something so I know they're at least marginally
aware of them.
It would be great if two stations were playing DT in the
Baltimore/CD area! :-)
Steve
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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 13:29:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
To: JB <beamup@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: King Crimson
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.91.970923132809.17845B-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
There are many eras of King Crimson, so thrack may not be a good
representative. But give the album some time before selling it. It is
very strange and experimental music and it needs some aging time to get
comfortable with. If you really don't like it, then I would vewnture to
say that KC in itself may not be your taste, except for the Discipline
era, early 80s KC which is slightly more accessible.
Reach Damon Fibraio at damon@shell.monmouth.com
keyboardist, vocalist, radio personality
Deviant of Reality
All of us get lost in the darkness, dreamers learn to steer by the stars
All of us do time in the gutter, dreamers turn to look at the cars.
Neil Peart of Rush
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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 13:30:11 -0400
From: Jon Dery <metropolis@net1plus.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Jon's FII Review pt.2
Message-ID: <3427FCA3.6402@net1plus.com>
O.K. Here's part two of my FII review. (I have to rewrite because right
before I sent it, I accidentally kicked the power strip my computer is
hooked up to DOH!)
"Take Away My Pain"
Now that I am used to this version, I can say that it is (still) a very
emotional song. I swear I can hear someone (JP?) speaking some of the
words underneath KJLB's singing (when I wear hedphones at least).
Chills man.
"Just Let Me Breathe"
Let me see. How do I describe this one? ROCK'S NADS! BALLS 'N CHUNK!
What a ripping tune! I only wish that Sherinian's Hammond oragan was
louder in the mix and that James growled a bit more (like on the old
version). The interlude has evolved since the Fix shows, and I
personally think it sounds even better now. It was very IAW sounding,
so I guess the the change is going to cause a lot of crying over the
jam. I think it is more agressive now. This song on the whole is so
cool. This REALLY should be a single!
"Anna Lee"
C'mon everybody! What is so bad about this one? I find it to be a very
pretty song. Derek's playing is beautiful on this one. JP is going for
the Brian May-type dry sounding guitar tone. No complaints.
"Trial Of Tears"
1. "It's Raining"
Woah! Deep. Pink Floyd-like intro, then it starts to get groovy. I'm
in love! Cool vocals. Things look good so far.
2. "Deep In Heaven"
When did Steve Vai join the band?!! Cool playing John, but come on!
This is sooooo Vai like. Aww who cares. Great playing by Derek (I love
this guy!) as well.
3. "The Wasteland"
Mr. LaBrie returns. Starts sing very IAW-like at one point which
(oddly) kind of turned me off. That style (IMO) doesn't fit the song
very well. Otherwise, it's very cool and sort of reprises back into the
theme of "It's Raining", gets Floyd-like again and fades out. Really
cool. It'll take a couple of listens to get used to the form, but I
already love the mood of the tune.
Overall:
I now have a new favorite album! (Well, It seems like it may very well
beat out Awake in the long run.)
Dream Theater,
Thank you very much for sharing your souls with us once again. I love
this album.
Peace everybody,
~-~Jon Dery~-~
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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 13:44:37 -0400
From: "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.Belvoir.Army.Mil>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Lines, Kotzen, springs, and coffee cans...
Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=AMSC%l=AMSC_NTAS-970923174437Z-4174@amsc_ntas.amsc.belvoir.army.mil>
Jon wrote...
>"Lines In The Sand"
>
>O.K. Simply put, this KICKS THE LIVING SHIT OUT OF ANY SONG I'VE EVER
>HEARD IN MY LIFE!!! It is a huge improvement of the Fix versions.
>(which I previously thought could not be done.) At the begining of his
>solo, JP plays this HIP Jazz run that just gives me the chills. Doug
>Pinnick's vocals are perfect. The fusion section in the middle is SO
>GOOD! I could go on and on about this song. It is really THAT good!
>
Jon is right on the mark here - this song kicked my butt so hard, I
can't even THINK about sitting down. How DT managed to get a Motown
influence in a song this heavy I'll never know, but it's awesome to
listen to.
Oh, and I like the tones on this song - the drums are a bit flat, but at
least they aren't metallic sounding.
Ptacek scribbled...
> Tidbit o' the day: Up to and including his performance on Poison's
>_Flesh and Blood_, shredder Richie Kotzen insisted on recording all of his
>guitar parts while completely naked. No word on whether his subsequent
>releases were recorded in this manner. Kinda nasty, huh?
I REALLLLLLYYY hope he had the back plate on the guitar to cover the
tremolo springs. Otherwise...
OUCH!
Does the snare in BMS sound like Mike's hitting a reverb'd coffee can to
anyone else?
Mike
>
>
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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 13:51:49 -0400 (EDT)
From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: FII/DT logo
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970923134339.8685H-100000@bdmserver>
I decide to be a little late to work today and run by the Columbia MD
Best Buy. I wanted to get there early incase they only got 3 cds. Anyway
I get ther at 9:05am and well Best Buy doesn't open until 10am. So I went
next door to Borders and they didn't have any.
I go back to bEst Buy about 11:30 and they have about 20 FII, 1 Images
and Words and 1 ACOS. Of course the new section has Boyz to Men, but no
DT. I notice the cd listening station above DT is ELP King Biscuit Flower
Hour so I listen to the 3 songs the damn thing let me. What I heard was
pretty good. What's the best ELP to start out on? I've heard Brain Salad
Surgery. How's the King Biscuit?
When I was listening to the ELP some guy comes up and grabs one of the
new FII cds. First time I have ever seen someone buy a DT cd...
Now all I have to do is find somewhere to listen to it. I might put it on
in the lab and hope my coworkers don't kill me...
I also bought the new FNM. I wonder when I will listen to that.
About the DT logo other than the first letter A the logo could be what
the old logo we all love would look like from far away. What do you
think? The letters sorta look like the old logo. The letter A's look like
the second A on the normal logo.
|-------------------------------------------------------------------|
| Pat Daugherty pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com |
|===================================================================|
| "Every breath leaves me one less to my last" --Dream Theater |
| New Dream Theater-September 23, 1997 *** Washington Redskins 2-1 |
| "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" --X-Files *** Go Orioles |
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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 12:51:47 -0500
From: Chris Ptacek <someone@prognosis.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Witch Hunter Z
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970923175147.01005808@pop.enteract.com>
>From: "Neil Gallop" <nga@software-ag.de>
>Subject: Some comments
>
>Hi all
>
>first off, a big thank you to Mr. Ptacek for pointing out something
>that I was blissfully unaware of, i.e. that I am ignorant. I will be
>forever in your debt.
I'm sorry... you're not ignorant... you're just a pudmonkey. :)
Relax JUST A LITTLE. I thought I made it clear that I was only referring to
posts of a certain type (two types) that are overly common here on the Ytsejam.
>Secondly, I did not base my opinion of the new Dream Theater
>album 'Falling Into Infinity' on the fact that I was "looking for a wanky
>prog fest" (I forget who wrote that), but on the fact that I was expecting
>some songs that I liked, and in some notable cases this
>just didn't happen (Me Not You, Hell's Kitchen, Just Let Me Breath,
>Anna Lee).
That's perfectly fine... who can knock an opinion, just because they
disagree with it? I would never tell you that your opinion is wrong. I
WILL however, tell you that _I think_ (that's MY opinion) your opinion is
worthless, if it's based on 24 hours or less of being in contact with the
album. How can you possibly have given the album a fair shot if you already
have made your mind up, and haven't had the time to really listen for more
than the obvious? Tell me you dislike the album when you have something
more substantial to offer. Tell me what you dislike about the album, why,
and exactly where I can hear what you're noticing if you want it to be a
useful opinion. Saying that "I don't like it" doesn't do much for anyone.
>Thirdly, one of the things about the Ytsejam that I have always
>valued is that other peoples' opinions were often respected,
What Ytsejam have YOU been on? heheheh no, I'm not trying to be
disrespectful of your opinions or anyone else's. I'm stating my own
observations about the fact that you can't have much more than a superficial
knowledge of an album after only a couple listens. I made the same mistake
with the new QR... I thought it sucked hard, but then after I heard it about
3 or 4 times (and live) I thought and still think that there's some great
things on the disc.
>even
>if you didn't necessarily agree with them yourself. I only hope this
>attitude survives the next couple of weeks and that there are no
>witch hunts against those non-true believers who dare to say that
>they aren't knocked out by the new album, and that there even
>bits of it that they don't like.
I'll be sure that you're noted in the Ytse-History book as a martyr,
because you suffer so for your beliefs. There's no such drama necessary
here. If you give me a chance to explain what I'm saying (i.e. read what
I've said above, and read my last post that clarifies the original, in
rebuttal to Kevin Madden's argument), I think you should be able to
understand where I'm coming from, if not agree with me.
Just because Chris Ptacek says something that goes against what you
think, doesn't mean he's attacking you. It just means you were dropped on
the head one too many times as a child. :) Seriously though, if you or
anyone else disagrees with my statements, how about arguing against the
points I'm making instead of just saying "No." or dropping sarcasm like so
much guano.
Alfred J. Ayer Ptacek
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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 12:52:00 -0500
From: Suzanne Morrison <smorriso@swspectrum.com>
To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Can't find FII?
Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=swspectrum%l=SWSPECTRUM/SSIAMX01/0024CA9C@ssiam002.swspectrum.com>
I've read some people having trouble finding a record store that carries
FII. If you are in the U.S., try Best Buy. Just checked with the Best
Buy
here in Dallas (Arlington, actually) and they have 30 on hand!
Looking forward to it!
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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 13:01:09 -0500
From: cmustard@netdot.com (Mark Lampert)
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: THE Album
Message-ID: <19970923175610248.AAA140@cmustard.vonl.com>
Ahoy,
I LOVE FALLING INTO INFINITY.
· • Colonel Mustard • ·
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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 20:22:27 +0200
From: Fabio Cavani <fabio.cavani@mo.nettuno.it>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Something about FII...
Message-ID: <342808E3.733A@mo.nettuno.it>
Hi Everybody!
Just a few words about FII... I've listened to it three times and I have
something to say:
- The songs.
I can hear more "maturity": they have gradually abandoned crazy musical
parts with odd signatures from WDADU to FII... but I must say that I
miss it a bit. As someone else said, the central part of Trial of Tears
seems to me somewhat boring, nothing like the magic of LTL os Scarred.
A lot of times, you can hear John and Derek soloing on JM's grooves.
It's cool, but sometimes so repetive. Of course I didn't expected to
hear Metropolis, I appreciate the fact that they changed style, but...
I am wondering if the reason of this is Kevin's departure, and I tend to
say yes. I have this feeling in some parts a keyboard is missing...
The other point is that some songs lack originality. The hard songs
sound a bit the same (near to a CIAW feel: guitar & bass groove,
keyboard surround). As for the melodic ones: I LOVE them, but:
> Anna Lee sounds exactly like it were a song by Queen from the early 80s.
> Whereas Hollow Years has that typical Sting sound,
I agree. And also, when I heard Take Away My Pain live some months ago,
I was impressed by its emotionality, but this version sounds strange...
it has a... latin feel? Maybe it's the bass arrangement. I really
prefered the live version.
- The sound
Not bad, but I agree the drums and the voice sometimes lack something.
And, I don't know if it is because I play keyboards, but sometimes I
feel Derek's volume is too low.
BTW, Derek: great sounds, great atmospheres, great work on Anna Lee,
great solos... but I would have liked to hear the keyboard more
present in some songs.
Anyway the album is great, hope it will continue to grow on me.
Peruvian Skies and Lines in the sand are great.
Of course these are my opinions; comments accepted.
Sorry if I bored someone, but I really wanted to share my opinions with
somebody!
Fabio
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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 13:26:17 -0500 (CDT)
From: evan andrew nelson <enelson@students.uiuc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Eve connection?
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970923132223.18812A-100000@ux8.cso.uiuc.edu>
The US release date is finally here! After one listen, I think I'm
hooked! I don't see how anyone can accuse DT of selling out.. just
listen to the lyrics of Just Let Me Breathe.
I did notice something familiar aabout halfway through "Lines in the
Sand" - it sounded surprisingly like a sort of heavy take on "Eve."
Anyone else notice this?
BTW, for you UIUC jammers that haven't picked up FII yet, I saw two
copies at Discount Den and one at Follett. Record Service had zilch, and
this was at 10 this morning!
--------
Evan A. Nelson enelson@uiuc.edu zanadu@iname.com UIN:268604
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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 13:48:33 -0700
From: Brandon Vaughn <vaughn_b@chipola.cc.fl.us>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Attn: All guitarists, bass players, and drummers
Message-ID: <01INZI7L624W000131@WIZARD.FIRN.EDU>
I just found the neatest site at:
http://cartoon.ecn.purdue.edu/~branden/rush-tab/
It is a Rush Project site. Kind-of reminds me of what we've been doing
with the ACOS TAB project, except this is much bigger. This is a project
to provide the guitar, bass, _and_ drum tab for every Rush song on every
album!
I was wondering if there is enough interest on the Jam to do something like
this for Dream Theater? I know the guitarists would like it, and I've seen
some drum transcriptions floating on the Jam recently. I don't know about
bass players, though. Are there any on the Jam? Maybe they are like Myung
and just quiet all the time, because I've never heard any bass related
issues brought up :)
Anyway, this is exactly what I had envisioned for Dream Theater. Imagine
being able to go to a site and pull down the drum parts for To Live Forever
(Live in Tokyo video), or the bass part to any one of the cover songs off
of ACOS, or the guitar part to Bombay Vindaloo. Man, that would be too
cool.
But someone would need to head it up. I guess I could help head it up, but
I've been so busy I couldn't do it by myself. Also, I have 0% web space
available (thanks to Kevin H for providing the web space for the ACOS
checking process).
Anyone interested? Anyone interested in heading it up?
\\||//
~~..'~
( \ ) Brandon Vaughn
\ c/
__\/__ "The Mad Tabber"
/ \
_< . _ \ vaughn_b@popmail.firn.edu
\ `\ \ -' / \ \ ,,,_
>|""O[|||||nn[:::< bvaughn@snowhill.com
/_,--- ._\ '''''~
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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 12:07:45 -0700
From: cluesump@sirius.com (Charoenkwan Luesumphan)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: King Crimson
Message-ID: <v01520d00b04dc0550ea5@[205.134.227.25]>
JB <beamup@vt.edu> wrote:
>Hey, I just picked up the King Crimson album "THRAK"... it was a special
>limited edition gold CD (used for $5).
>
>I was just wondering what kind of a sampling of their sound this is... is
>it a good indicator of their style or not.? I'm not sure I like it that
>much, and since I never have heard anything by King Crimson before, I was
>wondering whether it was just the album I didn't like or the band itself.
The one you bought "THRAK" is from the double trio period with 2 drummer, 2
bassists and 2 guitarists. It's from the lastest period of King Crimson
that sound different from the other 3 periods.
First period: dinosaur prog/jazz (Greg Lake sings on the first album)
- In the court of the crimson king, In the wake of poseidon, Lizard
......Island, Earthbound (live boot) (Island is not a first one to start
with because it's difficult to got into)
Second period: dinosaur prog (with John Wetton on bass and vocals and Bill
Bruford on drums)
- Lark's tongue in Aspic, Red, Starless and bible black, USA (live)
These albums are more rock with powerful voices of John Wetton. This is the
peak periofd of the band.
Third period: with Adrian Belew on guitar and Bruford on drums
- Discipline, Beat, Three of a perfect pair
It's harder and heavier but more in experimental guitars works like
elephant sound. Belew's voice is pretty soft if compare to Wetton.
Forth period (double trio): Belew is still on vocals and guitars
- Vrooom (EP), Thrak
This is like experimental with complex music. They are very good at double
trio live, believe me.
I hope this can help you to choose albums you want to listen to.
Regards,
AE
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