YTSEJAM Digest 3000
Today's Topics:
1) ACOS Project update
by Brandon Vaughn <vaughn_b@chipola.cc.fl.us>
2) Kevin Shirley
by Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
3) The Boston Theater Thunder Chunder Fest.
by "Jeremy C. Hallum" <jhallum@bu-ast.bu.edu>
4) RUSH opinions....
by JB <beamup@vt.edu>
5) stuff
by Conrad Chi <uchic00@mcl.ucsb.edu>
6) grrrrr....
by Eric Desobe <edesobe@emory.edu>
7) Whatever
by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
8) Wa hoo....got mine too!
by Cliff_Totten@discovery.com
9) enchant
by "Flavio Maia" <fmaia@alpha200.digiopen.com.br>
10) FII...why everyone that talked badly about it was wrong....
by JE78674@ltu.edu
11) FII @ record shop
by JB <beamup@vt.edu>
12) Re: stuff
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
13) FII
by "The Artist Formerly Known As woot" <woot@crypted.com>
14) Stuff...
by Shai Yallin <Yallin@Netvision.net.il>
15) Yeah!!! Who-hoo!!! Joy!
by Shai Yallin <Yallin@Netvision.net.il>
16) DT evolution
by "Tedesco, Matthew" <tedescom@BDD.com>
17) YNM
by "The Artist Formerly Known As woot" <woot@crypted.com>
18) A New Millenium
by Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.bite.me>
19) What is production???
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 13:53:05 -0700
From: Brandon Vaughn <vaughn_b@chipola.cc.fl.us>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: ACOS Project update
Message-ID: <01INZID3UJIS000131@WIZARD.FIRN.EDU>
Just to let everyone know...today was supposed to be the last day to check
the transcription. Several of you have sent me some corrections, but it
will be a couple of days before I can look over them...so if anybody else
wants to check this, let me know. There are still a few days left.
After I have looked over the suggested corrections and made decisions, I
will print up a nice copy and send it to Petrucci. Hopefully he will give
us the thumbs up and correct any errors.
I will probably post the address for all to get hold of the TAB about 2
weeks after I send it to Petrucci.
(Man, all I keep hearing in my head are Spock's Beard songs. I hope my
wife was able to pick up the new DT so I can start concentrating on
something else!)
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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 15:16:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Kevin Shirley
Message-ID: <199709231917.PAA14416@umbc8.umbc.edu>
Whoever was asking if we could lynch him...
I say let's get the torches. I'd like this CD a whole bunch more if it
weren't for the crappy production. And, before you ask, YES, I COULD do
better!
I like the CD, though.
Steve Z
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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 15:19:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Jeremy C. Hallum" <jhallum@bu-ast.bu.edu>
To: "Yzerjam: the Mailing list for DT/Red Wing Fans Worldwide" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: The Boston Theater Thunder Chunder Fest.
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970923151346.3407A-100000@bu-ast.bu.edu>
This isn't about the BTTCF, which I hear was a resounding success
from the participants. I just thought I'd share with the group that of
the 90 CD's that the Boston Tower Records recieved last night, there were
none remaining at the end of the evening. It is not known if there was a
riot ensuing or not. It appears that Bostons very own Channel 5 was
there to film the impending riot (well, ok, they were there to cash in on
Diana mania). Now if we could only get Tower to play DT instead of that
moody old Elton John tune.
-jeremy
+=====================================================================+
# grad student, Boston U. # "You've seen our Moon, #
# Boston, MA 02134 # Now see our Johnson!" #
# Astronomy # -seen on T-shirts all over Vikingland #
#<*> Jeremy Hallum <*># referring to QBs W. Moon and B. Johnson #
#<*> jhallum@bu.edu <*># Bleeding Purple since the tender age of 6.#
#<*>jhallum@dreamt.org <*># http://bu-ast.bu.edu/~jhallum/ #
+=====================================================================+
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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 15:26:19 -0400
From: JB <beamup@vt.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: RUSH opinions....
Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19970923152619.007c2600@mail.vt.edu>
hey, a while back someone was asking about Rush albums.... I watched and
waited, and saw a few of my favs (hold your fire, chonicles), but I have
yet to see Roll the bones. I don't know, that's just one of my favs...
anyone else like it, or am I alone in my rush tastes here?
Jason
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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 12:30:41 -0700 (PDT)
From: Conrad Chi <uchic00@mcl.ucsb.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: stuff
Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.96.970923122623.7538A-100000@mcl.ucsb.edu>
I have waited three years for this album. I am a little
dissapointed. There are too many alterna-jazzy riffs. I prefer
the metal riffs. The songs don't allow Labrie to soar to those
high notes. Well, I am sure it will get better.
I saw SAVATAGE's 'Hall of the Mountain King' video on MuchMusic
a few weeks ago. I was very happy to say the least. I have been
gone for a while but what is with the delay with the album?!
Also, what is the word with the FATES video.
lauters
Conrad
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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 15:35:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: Eric Desobe <edesobe@emory.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: grrrrr....
Message-ID: <Pine.WNT.3.95.970923153302.-471055B-100000@edesobe.resnet.emory.edu>
For some reason I just can't stop growling at the beginning of Burning My
Soul, the song is hysterical. Mike's lyrics are so horrible I can dig
them. Anyway, this cd is perhaps the "grooviest" thing to come out in
awhile. Still, a moment of silence for Kevin Moore on this day as we all
wonder what the hell he is doing. Take the time.
-Eric
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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 15:37:24 -0400
From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Whatever
Message-ID: <199709231937.PAA05684@saranac.cs.wm.edu>
I really have nothing to say. I just wanted to see my name in Ytsejam 3000,
since I missed 2112.
Oh, yeah, FII kicks ass. Am I the only one who thinks it's weird that digest
3000 came out the day the album did? Coincidence?
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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 15:41:57 -0400
From: Cliff_Totten@discovery.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Wa hoo....got mine too!
Message-ID: <8525651B.006B0758.00@smtp1.discovery.com>
Cliff Totten
09/23/97 03:41 PM
I've been waiting (and fighting) for this for a couple of years now. Now
that it's out, I feel kinda empty. I gotta find something new look forward
too (and fight for). Hey, I know,..... I'm gonna start campaigning for the
NEXT Dream Theater disk!!!!! I already can't wait for it!!!!!
I have only had FII for a couple of hours and it's still over my head but I
can tell that this might be my favorite DT disk to date.
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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 16:05:28 -0300
From: "Flavio Maia" <fmaia@alpha200.digiopen.com.br>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: enchant
Message-ID: <9709231956.AA03531@alpha200.digiopen.com.br>
i was looking for some new bands last year and found a band called
enchant...i heard some sound samples from the blueprint of the world and
thought...i must have this cd...so, i bought it and .....it's was
amazing...them, i waited for the new album, called wounded and blought
it...i bought the lost time too...the lost time album is far superior than
the wounded...and it isn't an 'album"!!!!!where are the "heavy"songs in
woundes, like at deaths door, and oasis?the voice of ted leonard seems to
be of a teenager on that album...where are the superb perfomance of paul
cradick?i must admit...the bass sound is better than blueprint...the album
(wounded)is very good, but worst(very, very, very worst) than
blueprint's...and what about time lost...it's really good...i thought that
it must been the principal album and wounded an ep, or somewhat......What
do you think...by the way...i saw dt in brasil last week!!!!!!!
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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 15:46:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: JE78674@ltu.edu
To: YTSEJAM@ax.com
Subject: FII...why everyone that talked badly about it was wrong....
Message-ID: <01INZJVVCLF6935QBK@LTU.EDU>
Bottom line...FII is great! Damn good stuff! Yeah it's different and
all, but did you honestly expect a Awake II?! =]
I think it's well done and I'm just gald to have new DT in my hand
and it not being a bootleg! (No offense Mike ;)
It is different, and it screams Derick's influence...you can tell that
Kevin Moore is longer in the band, you know what I mean?
Anyway, I think that everyone who doesn't get it now WILL appreciate it
as much as the rest after a while of listening to it. That is what
happened when I got Awake..but now it is just a great album!
To those who "hate it" and don't get it, I ask you to give it time and
more of a chance...look what happened to the listeners of ApSoG. People
were thrown off by the new work of Fates Warning, but after a while
learned how great the album really was.
Well, that's my humble opinion, I hope it helps someone out there.
Take care,
Jeff E.
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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 15:49:50 -0400
From: JB <beamup@vt.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: FII @ record shop
Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19970923154950.007c15b0@192.168.255.1>
I went to the midnight CD release sale at a local vendor last night.
Within 5 minutes ALL 25 CD's were gone! And many of my friends here at
tech didn't get a copy... wow, there are more than I thought here! :) I
called the store about 10pm and asked if they had any of the new DT going
to be included in that midnight sale, and the guy said "yeah, we got about
25 in... you may want to reserve one, about 17 or so have already been
reserved... " Anyway, when I got there, I perused the used cd's (as the
line was already long -- content in the fact that I had one reserved)...
Less than 5 minutes after midnight, the guys working the checkout yell out
"If you're here for the new Dream Theater, we're all sold out unless you
have it reserved... We'll be getting alot in tomorrow, but don't bother
standing in line if you haven't reserved a copy..." At which point an
audible moan was heard, and quite a few people left.... I was shocked...
I also talked with some of them, who said they had stayed up to listen to
my show, and thanked me for playing FII tribute show the week before...
cool. Now to get them on the jam.... :)
Jason
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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 15:46:21 -0400 (EDT)
From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
To: Conrad Chi <uchic00@mcl.ucsb.edu>
Subject: Re: stuff
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.91.970923154050.16689A-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
I had to respond to this. I don't have FII yet, but that's because I
can't get toa music store. What is it with people that if DT isn't heavy
enough, the album sucks. Or am I misinterpretting the posts? I didn't get
into DT because of their heavy metal influences. I got into them simply
because of their progressive influences. And the fact that Kevin More was
and still is a madman on keys. DT is not simply a metal band and if they
want to explore jazz or heaven help us, some aspects of alternative
music, then what is so bad about that? They won't become Nirvana, folks.
I don't think we have to worry about them selling out. But the whole
nature of being a prog rock band is not repeating WDADu, IW or Awake or
even ACOS. Progressive music is not simply odd time sigs and 55mph
soloing. It is about experimenting. The metal aspect of DT is just on
face. If all you want is for DT to come out with guns ablazing, then
maybe you should reconsider the music you listen to. If DT was strictly
metal, I wouldn't like them. I am not a metal fan. I respect metal, but I
don't own any metalika albums or anything. Is that blasphemy? Maybe. Does
it deserve a flame? If you feel lucky. I must warn you, many have flamed,
many have died. But this narrowminded metal-only attitude I see from some
people on this list tends to annoy me slightly. I am not saying that the
whole list is this way, but if I wanted metal, I'd buy it. I want the
proggy elements of DT and from what I hear, they are there. There is
metal aspects, too, if there weren't it wouldn't be DT. But let the guys
experiment a little.
Reach Damon Fibraio at damon@shell.monmouth.com
keyboardist, vocalist, radio personality
Deviant of Reality
All of us get lost in the darkness, dreamers learn to steer by the stars
All of us do time in the gutter, dreamers turn to look at the cars.
Neil Peart of Rush
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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 13:49:39 -0600
From: "The Artist Formerly Known As woot" <woot@crypted.com>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: FII
Message-ID: <199709231953.NAA10133@mailmx.micron.net>
Well I just bought the CD and the tape and I have a few observations: The
"giant erection" is in fact the third guy in the triangle as shown on the
tape cover. However, on the tape cover, the guy with the tan vest is
wearing a different color undershirt, so perhaps there are 4 guys on the
platforms and it's a square type thing with the 1st person point of view
coming from 2 seperate ppl that are outside of the square. Also, the
distant white thing (ship?) that is present on the CD is not there on the
tape which suggests that it is taken from a different angle. The tape
cover's majesty symbol is quite a bit bigger than the CD's too.
The CD still features the oldstyle gray behind the CD, which is kinda
lame, but I guess I'll forgive them for that. The lyrics aren't there on
the tape version either but it's not like anybody would only buy the tape
of something anymore anyway.
I'm really starting to think that FII is their best album to date. MP's
high-hat rides throughout the album are incredible, particularly on LitS
and TAMP. JP is incredible throughout and his jazz/blues licks combined
with his typical beautiful melodies and shredding are amazing. Derek is
very good and deserves more credit than he's gotten. He has his fair share
of solos, and Anna Lee is one of the prettier and more emotional songs DT
has done. Also remember what MP said concerning DS's tone: "You'll swear
some of this is guitar." JM finally stands out in the mix and he handles
the opportunity very well. JLMB's lyrics are very very very cool, despite
the Hoon/Cobain reference. Ok that's way too long already.
It rolls down stairs
It comes not in pairs
Runs over your neighbor's foot.
It's great for a snack
And fits on your back
It's woot! woot! woot!
woot™ from Blammo!®
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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 22:04:06 +0200
From: Shai Yallin <Yallin@Netvision.net.il>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Stuff...
Message-ID: <32E7C436.4C36@Netvision.net.il>
Hi. Although this message is shown right after my previous one, it's
being written a 1.5 hours after it, so i've listened to FII twice....
Well:
First of all, Derek is a hell of a keyboardist... I'll even say he's
better than moore at some points; Derek can rock big time, and yet he's
very good at proggish playing (synth lead sounds) and jazzy sound. And
he's a great pianist....
BTW: The Portnoy picture looks like a picture of a jew like nazi
describe us: Long nose and a beard... is he jew? i think i've heard
somewhere he is....
--
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- Bruce Willis on Pulp Fiction
"It's log, it's log, it's better than bad - it's good!"
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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 20:57:42 +0200
From: Shai Yallin <Yallin@Netvision.net.il>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Yeah!!! Who-hoo!!! Joy!
Message-ID: <32E7B4A6.AE5@Netvision.net.il>
Got the f^&$%^ album!!! Yeah!
Well, it's NOT like Awake nor I&W, and most of the songs are not very
prog, but I think I'm gonna like it!!!!
Review in a couple of months.....
NP: Dream Theater: Falling Into Infinity
--
Shai Yallin - Kurush on #YTSEJAM
"I'm American, honey. Our names don't mean shit."
- Bruce Willis on Pulp Fiction
"It's log, it's log, it's better than bad - it's good!"
- The Ren & Stimpy show
Visit my home page at
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palladium/3247
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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 16:02:00 -0400
From: "Tedesco, Matthew" <tedescom@BDD.com>
To: ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: DT evolution
Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=BDD%l=BDD/MSMAIL/001F091B@nt_mail.bdd.com>
Hello all,
I've been given a good deal of thought to much of the recent discussion
on the 'jam pertaining to why FII rules/sucks. Specifically, I'm
interested with how people perceive the term "progressive," and how it
relates to the rhythm of a song, band, album, etc. There's been a lot
of arguing about whether Dream Theater has become less progressive, but
given the subjectivity of the notion of progress, I seriously doubt that
any amount of arguing will affect people's concept of "progressive."
Inherently, I think people will disagree about whether there is progress
in some amount of perceived (because this too is debateable)
simplification.
I believe that the entire argument has been ill-founded from the start.
Whether or not FII is progressive relative to DT's other albums is, like
I said before, subjective; I think it can be agreed, though, that each
album has gotten more rhythm oriented. A few people picked up on how JM
stands out more than ever before, how the bass seems more integral than
ever before. There's a connection here, and a tension that I've
wondered about for years, since a band I was in a few years back. We
set out to be progressive--how naive we were--but always found ourselves
frustrated, writing stuff that inevitably evolved towards the more
rhythmic. We also, though, were setting out to be "heavy." Think
about, then, how those three concepts--progressiveness, rhythm-oriented,
and heavy--relate to one another. Largely, I think, the more
rhythm-oriented a band gets, the heavier they are. A song like Light
Fuse and Get Away has lots of changes in it, is less rhthm-oriented than
a song like Lie, and probably is less "heavy." That's not necessarily
good or bad, I don't think, but it does describe a larger trend about
DT. Consider whether Caught in a Web would fit well on I&W, or whether
You not Me would fit on Awake. Obviously, just like "progressive,"
"heavy" could be debated 'til we're all blue in the face, but as far as
the rhythms go, they are more straight-ahead. Dream Theater is moving
in that direction.
There's obviously lots of room for debate here. Another example, I
think, is Metallica's Justice and Black albums. There's much more
rhythm in songs like Sad But True and The God That Failed than in, say,
Justice or Frayed Ends of Sanity. Consequently, there's a bass/ rhythm
section presence in Black that's vastly different than Justice.
Similarly, some are disappointed with the lack of keys in FII, but it's
a natural result of a movement towards rhythm-orientation. I play bass,
and I always felt that on I&W, the bass is more or less the forgotten
instrument, because there's not much room for it with the parts that JP
and KM were playing. Some might argue that it was Prater's production,
and to some extent that is true, but no amount of re-mixing would have
made those particular basslines in those specific songs stand out. The
shift has been gradual and steady, and I wonder that it may have
contributed to Kevin's departure, but that's another discussion
entirely. NOw that the bass plays such a large role, I simply don't
think there's room for key parts that fans of I&W might hope for.
Sorry that this has been so long, but I do think this is a worthwhile
discussion, and certainly one with far more potential than recent
postings concerning the progressiveness (or lack thereof) of FII. It is
the band's evolution along these lines, I think, that determine most
people's reaction to the new material.
Yet Another Matt
Tedescom@BDD.com
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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 14:09:27 -0600
From: "The Artist Formerly Known As woot" <woot@crypted.com>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: YNM
Message-ID: <199709232015.OAA18051@mailmx.micron.net>
>YNM - Does anyone know how to scratch a song off of a CD? Horrid
>production - thin and too dry. Portnoy's wild drumming is the major
>saving grace.
I agree with this. YNM isn't that bad a song, but the production on just
this one song is a very noticable step down from all the other songs on the
album. Probably just cause bad production sells and they wanted this song
to be the fan getter.
It rolls down stairs
It comes not in pairs
Runs over your neighbor's foot.
It's great for a snack
And fits on your back
It's woot! woot! woot!
woot™ from Blammo!®
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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 16:13:41 -0400
From: Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.bite.me>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: A New Millenium
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970923201341.006632dc@mail.ici.net>
Happy 'Jam #3000 - A New Millenium of Ytsejams!!! (and a damn good tune, as
well).
I figure this post will be a good break from all the reviews.
__<psull@ici.net>__http://www.ici.net/cust_pages/psull/psull.html
IRC: DDictator
Now Playing: Nothing - Work sucks. :)
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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 17:25:42 -0300 (EST)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: What is production???
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.970923172240.1147A-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Tue, 23 Sep 1997, Steve Zebrowski wrote:
> Whoever was asking if we could lynch him...
>
> I say let's get the torches. I'd like this CD a whole bunch more if it
> weren't for the crappy production. And, before you ask, YES, I COULD do
> better!
Now this is a thing that isn't very popular here in Brazil. People
often doesn't care for who was the producer of some album.
What exactly do you mean when you mean production? I only think of
one thing when I see/hear the word production: mix of the instruments. Are
there any other (technical) meanings to this word??
> Steve Z
Thank you very much for sharing your knowlege, Roger...
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