YTSEJAM Digest 3001
Today's Topics:
1) Re: FII...why everyone that talked badly about it was wrong....
by eckie@asu.edu
2) FII
by beheader@sili.com.br (Pedro Prado)
3) Oh, another thing,
by eckie@asu.edu
4) DT: Disturbing Things
by Scotch <anthem@virginia.edu>
5) Falling into Infinity.
by Rick <fargo@brown.edu>
6) New Music in general
by Doug Cronkhite <dougc@staff.cerf.net>
7) DT FII part deux
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
8) RE: YTSEJAM digest 3000
by "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.Belvoir.Army.Mil>
9) Jam #3000! :)
by "Chad Allen Klunck" <cak6981@omega.uta.edu>
10) Thoughts on Lines in the Sand
by durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
11) Going Down To Liverpool
by Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com>
12) Wild keyboard guitar solos. :-)
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
13) stuff...
by Seroussi <seroussi@algonet.se>
14) yeah yeah...more FII
by Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 13:45:58 -0700 (MST)
From: eckie@asu.edu
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: FII...why everyone that talked badly about it was wrong....
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970923133929.13157A-100000@general1.asu.edu>
> It is different, and it screams Derick's influence...you can tell that
> Kevin Moore is longer in the band, you know what I mean?
Yeah, it does, but I think this album screams PORTNOY even louder! I
gots two words to support this argument: Double Bass.....
heh heh heh
As for visualizing the music in my mind, I find this album to be in like
a dark shade; it's like they mixed the melody of I&W and the dark emotion
of Awake, 'n it fuckin' KICKS!!! Well, 'cept for TAMP. For some odd
reason I see Labrie singing this in a floral silk shirt with a lei around
his neck. Go fig.
Then again, I might see this as a dark album 'cuz we spent all night
drivin' across the state listening to it...bwaha (That ruled!) Nachos rule!
~Eckie wipes the nacho cheese from his cheeks (face cheeks, sickos)
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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 17:47:44 -0300
From: beheader@sili.com.br (Pedro Prado)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: FII
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19970923174744.006cbbf0@pop.sili.com.br>
Got only one thing to say:
Falling into Infinity rules! aaaaaahhhhh! :-)
_________________
Pedro Prado - a.k.a. Beheader
Email: beheader@sili.com.br - ICQ: 1271907
URL: http://www.geocities.com/Broadway/3551
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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 13:50:14 -0700 (MST)
From: eckie@asu.edu
To: Ytsejam Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Oh, another thing,
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970923134811.13157B-100000@general1.asu.edu>
Am I the only dunce who's being enthralled in these WILD guitar solos,
and finally figure out,
"Oh SHIT! Is that a keyboard?"
~Eckie wants one of THOSE keyboards
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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 16:59:14 -0400
From: Scotch <anthem@virginia.edu>
To: Delirium Tremens <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: DT: Disturbing Things
Message-ID: <l03110700b04dd6f831ed@bootp-240-33.bootp.virginia.edu>
Just a few Disturbing Things I noticed about FII.
1. On the cover, that looks like Kevin Spacey on the left and Ed Kowalczyk
(lead singer of +Live+) on the right.
2. The back cover of the CD booklet. I distinctly remember some Jammer
saying that that blurry thing there (it's one of the binocular guys, out of
focus) looks like a giant erection. Which it does. With that in mind,
take an even wider perversely Freudian mindset and you'll notice that the
photo's frame is rather vaginal in shape. Hm. (Combine this with all the
water imagery on the album, and maybe we should start calling them "Wet
Dream Theater.")
3. John Petrucci's photo in the CD booklet makes him look like either Dave
Grohl or Baba Booey.
4. This is the most disturbing thing, to me: you'll notice in the credits
that "You Not Me" was written by Dream Theater and Desmond Child.
Do you all know who Desmond Child is? He's a professional song doctor, a
hired gun, a hitmaker, a guy that record companies hire to come in and
"help" a band write a hit song, give them a little boost. He worked with
Aerosmith quite a lot, co-writing a lot of their newer hits (Dude Looks
Like a Lady, Angel, What It Takes, Crazy, plus a bunch of their other songs
that aren't hits -- in fact, Aerosmith has more songs co-written with
outsiders now than they have written by just band members, which is pretty
sad). He even came out with his own album, "Golden Child," undoubtedly
titled in sly reference to his ability.
So, is this good or bad? I mean, it's the first EVER time that DT has had
an outside source brought into the songwriting process. And the guy is an
industry name, not a friend, like Neil Peart's friend Dubois or whatever.
Then again, I guess it's kind of a heartening sign to see Elektra take such
an interest in DT that they'll hire some high-paid stooge to help them out.
At this point I'd like to say that I am most assuredly NOT part of the "DT
SOLD OUT" opinion group. But I'd be interested to know just what Child's
role was in the songwriting process; like, did he just come in with a chord
progression or vocal melody and the band just added it in? Or did the
record company bring him in after the song was done and get him to "fix"
the song? And was the band OK with this? I mean, they never mentioned it
before. Sounds kind of sketchy.
If any of you get a chance to talk to the Theater boys, thru interviews or
on tour, this would be a great question to ask them.
And if Elektra releases that bitch as a single, well, that'll confirm at
least their side of the conspiracy.
Just wanted to stir up the shit.
Anyway, so far this record kicks ass, and I'll subject you all to my review
of it eventually.
Oh, and HAPPY JAM 3000!
Wheat Germ,
Scotch.
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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 16:57:31 -0400
From: Rick <fargo@brown.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Falling into Infinity.
Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19970923165731.006a8ca0@postoffice.brown.edu>
First off. I just have to say that I am bummed. We have three record
stores here on campus, and none of them had Falling into Infinity. And my
schedule did not permit me to take a stroll down the hill. Alas, the quest
for my own pesonal holy grail will be put off another day (one), until my
schedule permits me trekking time.
I have, however, had the luxury to find a site last week with the MP3's of
each song in a high-quality form. Not the CD, I know, but, they have shown
me that there is little reason why this CD should not spend the next month
in my Disk changer!
Rather than give a full, song-by-song review, I'll just state a couple of
impressions.
TAMP
Remember Mike and the Mechanics? Remember their song "In the Living
Years". The verse reminds me a lot of this song. I think that's cool.
New Millennium
That second verse is very cool. The samples and aux percussion adds a
cool flavor.
Trial of Tears and Hell's Kitchen
It's nice to hear extended JP solos on CD. He really has a feel for
constructing a dynamic solo. Props.
Derek
He's good. No question. If you listen to the CD enough with headphones,
you will here all the subtle things that he does. And that rhodes sound in
PS is the nut.
Anyway, the bottom line is, this CD is worth the wait, easily. I'm
looking forward to my trek down the hill tomorrow.
Outta here,
Rick
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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 13:58:08 -0700 (PDT)
From: Doug Cronkhite <dougc@staff.cerf.net>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: New Music in general
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.94.970923135307.129A-100000@staff.cerf.net>
Why is it that many of you out there seemed to be looking for Awake 2 ??
Doesn't it make sense in the time between Awake and FII that the band
could have grown.. dare I say progressed into new areas.
Simple fact, if a band doesn't grow, and take chances now and again, they
become stagnant and boring. Sure.. you run the risk of alienating some of
the resistant to change fan types.. but so be it.
DT is a clear example of this need for change. So is Queensryche. When was
the last time you had a QR cd come out and find it to be EXACTLY what you
expected or wanted.
Besides.. I've found that the music that grows on me, tends to live longer
than something that I get into easily. Every time I listen to FII I get
something more out of it..
Ok.. no more soapbox..
Doug Cronkhite
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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 17:03:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: DT FII part deux
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970923165740.16919B-100000@bdmserver>
Well I forced my coworkers to endure the new DT in the computer lab.
Afterall they made me listen to Simply Awful (I mean Red-no offense to SR
fans...) this morning. Well after 1 listen on crappy computer speakers,
this cd rocks. It sounds way better from a cd on crappy computer speakers
then over the net via real audio. I can't understand how anyone can call
this album a sell out. It is not a sell out, it is definitely DT. I can't
wait to get this cd home to crank on a real system... I'm not sure Doug's
voice fits on Lines but I need to listen to it some more. I need to
listen to FII again...
Maybe my coworkers need to listen to some Sepultura? heh heh heh
|-------------------------------------------------------------------|
| Pat Daugherty pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com |
|===================================================================|
| "Every breath leaves me one less to my last" --Dream Theater |
| New Dream Theater-September 23, 1997 *** Washington Redskins 2-1 |
| "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" --X-Files *** Go Orioles |
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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 17:02:47 -0400
From: "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.Belvoir.Army.Mil>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: RE: YTSEJAM digest 3000
Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=AMSC%l=AMSC_NTAS-970923210247Z-4363@amsc_ntas.amsc.belvoir.army.mil>
Steve Z wrote...
>Whoever was asking if we could lynch him...
>I say let's get the torches. I'd like this CD a whole bunch more if
it
>weren't for the crappy production. And, before you ask, YES, I COULD
do
>better!
In all honesty, I like the production on "Peruvian Skies", "Hollow
Years", and "Lines In the Sand" MUCH better than the rest.
Having said that, they sound like CRAP compared with any of the previous
releases - maybe even WDADU.
There are some killer songs here, though, and "Burning My Soul" would
have been BLISTERING if the guitar had any balls to it... :)
Oh yeah, except for the coffee can Mike's hitting... :)
Mike
(3000? who woulda thunk it?)
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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 16:02:53 -0500
From: "Chad Allen Klunck" <cak6981@omega.uta.edu>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Jam #3000! :)
Message-ID: <199709232107.QAA15418@omega.uta.edu>
Just looking to get a piece of history, first of all. :)
Secondly, to the comment about the tape/CD covers being different:
Storm Thorgerson has a knack for doing just this (I haven't been able to
verify this, as I haven't seen the tape liner yet)...just look at Pink
Floyd's _The Division Bell_. The CD cover has the steel heads, while the
ones on the tape appear to be carved of wood.
Finally:
BEGIN:
if (date >= 9/23/97) {
goto EVAL_DT_CD;
}
else {
goto BEGIN;
}
EVAL_DT_CD:
open(MSExchange.exe);
mailto(ytsejam@ax.com);
sprintf("Do I even have to say it?"\n);
sprintf("Okay...Falling Into Infinite cycle of listening to this
awesome production!"\n);
sprintf("I love DT. 'Nuff Said."\n);
close(MSExchange.exe);
WOO-HOO
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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 14:08:33 -0700 (MST)
From: durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Thoughts on Lines in the Sand
Message-ID: <199709232108.OAA00643@goodnet.com>
LITS: It's Voices meets Over My Head. Can it ever get any better
than this?
Doug Pinnick adds an ingredient to that song that DT sorely
needed. KJLB is a good vocalist, but he plays the voice like an
instrument, taking it to heights and breadths unheard of to add power and
polish to the songs. King's X is a different animal, conveying an
incredible amount of emotion in vocal-driven songs while playing
prog-worthy but less crucial instrumental accompaniments. Those of you who
are turned off by Doug's addition to DT may not have had a chance to
experience the KX musical direction enough, because it's almost the exact
opposite side of the progressive coin from DT. I think the combination of
the two makes quite possibly the most complete DT song I've ever heard.
-Mike Bahr-durnik@_goodnet.com-http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik/
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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 14:20:26
From: Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Going Down To Liverpool
Message-ID: <3.0.3.16.19970923142026.2c3763ae@pop.cfmc.com>
A couple of comments:
1) The new issue of Bass Frontiers has a couple of words from yours truly
in it. I've got reviews of the last Queensryche and Altura records in
there. I know...not all that useful now, but I submitted them a while ago
-- it ain't my fault they're only just appearing now. They're on my web
page ( http://www.cfmc.com/music/music.htm ) in longer format, along with a
couple others. I'm gonna move a whole load of 'em over when I get the
chance...there aren't too many in there now.
2) "Roll The Bones?" YES, man! I know it's blasphemy, but I actually
like that record better than, say, "A Farewell to Kings" or "Power
Windows." Actually, there are a chunk of records -- "Moving Pictures,"
"Permanent Waves," "Hemispheres," "Counterparts," "2112" -- that are all
kinda vying for the title of Adam's Second Favorite Rush Album ("Hold Your
Fire," far and away, is my first), but I think I'd generally say that "Roll
The Bones" is IT.
That's it...I gotta go back and slave for the (wo)man.
Five Gratuitous CD's:
=====================
1. Shawn Colvin: A Few Small Repairs
2. Fishbone: Truth and Soul
3. Sarah McLachlan: Surfacing
4. Sublime: Sublime
5. Rush: Hold Your Fire
Adam Barnhart
adamb@cfmc.com
ydnt85a@prodigy.com
http://www.cfmc.com/adamb
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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 18:28:38 -0300 (EST)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Wild keyboard guitar solos. :-)
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.970923182200.3751A-100000@blum.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Tue, 23 Sep 1997 eckie@asu.edu wrote:
> Am I the only dunce who's being enthralled in these WILD guitar solos,
> and finally figure out,
>
> "Oh SHIT! Is that a keyboard?"
>
> ~Eckie wants one of THOSE keyboards
No.
The first time I heard the middle solo to "Burning My Soul", I
also thought that it was Petrucci and that it were his "new style"
everybody seems to be talking about... :-)
[]s, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=------------------------------
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 23:29:40 +0200 From: Seroussi <seroussi@algonet.se> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: stuff... Message-ID: <342834C4.4BAB93A3@algonet.se>
> From: JB <beamup@vt.edu> > Subject: I'm laughing my ass off > > >III - The Wasteland > > > >The wasteland is opposite to the sea. > > or akin to this message...
hey, it wasn't that bad...or was it?
---- > From: Über Cabe <caber1@concentric.net> > Subject: 'Could' Bizkit Limp? > > Okay, maybe I 'could' just a poseur but from this paragraph I get the > feeling you want people to find oscure web pages about oscure bands.
..and this is bad because?
> And that you don't want people asking the jam.
..for things they can easily find on the web...
---- > From: "Bruce D. Duesterhoeft" <bduesterhoeft@enter.net> > Subject: Falling Into Infinity > > This album is the quintasential meaning of PROGRESSIVE.
please don't use such big & scary words around here and if you do at least spell it right (i.e., quintessential)...what is the meaning of progressive for you, if I may ask?
> Besides the maturity of DT writing (sorry, I haven't spent much time on > the lyrics, but I obviously don't expect a decline),
some people say the reason for metallica's retreat to 70's hard rock is because they "matured"...thus, I will have to ask you to explain what you mean by "maturity of writing"...
> every song on FII is not just different than each other they're different than > anything else before (besides the few White Zombie riffs I heard).
Is this why I knew exactly what's gonna happen (structure-wise) in Hollow Years the first time I heard it?
"Carry me to the shoreline Bury me in the sand" -- With pleasure ;)
---- > From: ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack) > Subject: JP's playing, Album covers, Stress > > >The best way to judge a person is by his behavior at times of > >stress...that's when the real personality is shown, without the minimal > >mask of hypocracy everyone has... > > No, a person 'real personality' is way too complex to judge in a briefg > moment. A moments behavior at times of stress, is exactly that, his > behavior during times of stress..just a part of his personality. When we're > under stress just about everybody is an asshole because our bodies are > tense and the blood pressure is high.
I know some people that can be nice at times of stress and this is because that's just the way they are, a person with an assholish personality will just become more of an asshole at times of stress (since it's harder to hide it) and a nice person will stay nice (maybe more impatient, though) at times of stress...and here's an example for why I think it's possible (& better) to judge people at times of stress: I knew a girl that when things didn't work the way she expected them to, she would just start yelling at everyone around her...when things were all right and everything was fine, that girl was nice to everyone (and I mean EVERYONE) no matter what she thought of them (can you say 'hypocrite'?)...anyways, only at times of stress was when the "real" her appeared and she said what she thought, not what she needed to say for everyone to like her...so there, this was my story, I ain't gonna re-read so I don't know if it progresses coherently, but oh well...
---- > From: durnik <durnik@goodnet.com> > Subject: Falling Into Infinity: The WORST... > > ..band name font logo I've ever seen used. :) What happened to our cool > "dreamy" logo?
Well, since they are a PROGRESSIVE band they must PROGRESS...you wouldn't want everything to look exactly the same on every album or would you Mr. Mike Dick? So why don't you go fucking fuck yourself and yo mama since you can't handle change, you ignorant fuck...I bet you'd want Awake II and I&W III and WDADU IV, wouldn't you? well, you ain't getting any, bitch...and if you don't like the new fucking artwork, then you shouldn't enjoy this fine, perfect, band...they can never make mistakes...so fuck you...
> At least the Majesty logo is in plain view all over the album, if not on the cover itself.
oh, so you can't see too...the majesty logo is right in the black place down yonder, or whatever...
> It's actually on the jewel _spine_!
now seriously, I think that it sucks that it's only in plain view...on the other albums I was wondering where they will stick it this time and it was quite interesting...it took me a while to locate it on the I&W cover, though...my point being, I don't like the way the majesty logo is thrown all around the cd, I rather have it put somewhere on the cover, yet in a different prespective than the plain 2D one...
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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 17:31:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: yeah yeah...more FII Message-ID: <199709232131.RAA27551@njmsa.UMDNJ.EDU>
ok points made on first-hand listens - the WORST TYPE OF REVIEW KNOWN TO MAKE............
1.) First off, a lot of times in the songs, LaBrie's voice just doesn't fit....his enunciation of words in the high registers are very noticeable, he growls where it doesn't fit, sings I&W-like when it doesn't fit, and there are times where his voice just doesn't do anything for me in the songs. Don't get me wrong,, his voice is good a majority of the time, but some- times it just doesn't at all.....
2.) The production seems quirky...sometimes the production absolutely rocks, others it is just terrible, veery inconsistent IMHO.
3.) You Not ME is a great song, if they got rid of that chorus. Very cheesy, takes away from so much of the song...may- be the Desmond Child influence on there....
4.) Peruvian Skies is a great song. 5.) BMS and Hell's rock, though BMS lyrical structure are so blah.
6.) Lines in the Sand is a great song too, but DOUG PINNICK has got to go. I like the guy, but totally ruins it with those harmonies....
7.) Take Away My Pain - would sound better with a SDV-type effect on the vocals. Seems like LaBrie is singing without any emotion on this. Overall, the song is emotional, but the vocals don't add to the emotion.
8.) Petrucci, Portnoy, and Myung rock. That will never change.
9.) Gotta give kudos to Derek. He does a great job. It seems like there might be some bad choice of keyboard sounds on some parts of some songs. Dunno if that's him or if it's the producer. He's got some killer chops, but he's definitely got a different style than KevMo.
10.) Like Just Let Me Breathe - don't like LaBrie's singing that much on some parts, but I like the song a lot. The quick vocals part, with the keyboard in the background reminds me a bit of One More Astronaut by I Mother Earth....
I'm sure my views will change on a lot of this, once I do the typical sit-down-and-LISTEN job on this CD..........but I know that some of them won't. For me, I&W hit me right off the bat, I guess that's why it's my favorite album. This one may take a while, but I'm sure I'll like it. I won't say that DT sucks or anything like that, cuz I think they're great. I guess the best way to put it is that FOR ME, they're having a lull for me.
-Al
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