YTSEJAM Digest 3008
Today's Topics:
1) Re: misspelling
by brian.kirk@USVGI.mail.abb.com
2) My own FII review...
by Nick Giannotti <N.Giannotti@COMEQUITY.COM>
3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3002
by Jim Wild <jwild@oneimage.com>
4) FII - 35 hours on...
by "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.Belvoir.Army.Mil>
5) Hollow Years
by "Greg R. Lee" <greg@aix.can.ibm.com>
6) Something about NP
by Alex Piaz <alex.piaz@originet.com.br>
7) Re: FII ramblings
by Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
8) FII Review
by gra@provida.no
9) Doug's vocals on LITS
by Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
10) First blood, and opinion [song by song (almost)of FII]
by "scaythe 0111" <alamucantar@hotmail.com>
11) you not me
by Jim Wild <jwild@oneimage.com>
12) You Not Me, JLMB
by kristopher long <long16@matrix.newpaltz.edu>
13) Re: Error Condition Re: Posting rejected
by Erin Leigh Loope <eleighl@BGNet.bgsu.edu>
14) Hollow Years / sandy beaches
by psull@ici.net (Pat Sullivan)
15) Re: Monks
by JamesAhab@aol.com
16) Re: Hollow Years / sandy beaches
by Mike Jones <mgjones@mcs.net>
17) Hollow Years
by "Janne Niiranen" <Janne.Niiranen@iwn.fi>
18) Re: Falling Into Infinity: The WORST...
by NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@wezl.org>
19) Kevin Shirly
by NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@wezl.org>
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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 10:29:33 -0400
From: brian.kirk@USVGI.mail.abb.com
To: " - (052)ytsejam(a)ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: misspelling
Message-ID: <0010200001383626000002L062*@MHS>
> From: Chris Daley <cdaley@gmu.edu>
< Subject: misspelling???
>
< Once the cloud that's raining
> Over you head disappears <----------over you head????
< The noise that you'll hear
>
< I think James distinctly says "your"..shrug..
>
< Chris.
Yep. And it's
"All abou you not me" and
"All youire expecting me to be"
While we're on the subject of the liner notes... Someone
mentioned a little while back that this was Portnoy's album.
Well, the band member pictures would tend to support this
idea. Check 'em out. They're all in this NIN-ish black
and yellow sytle, stuck off in a corner of a page with
lyrics all around. Except for Portnoy... He's dead center,
full color, all alone on a page, inside one half of an
infinity symbol.
I wonder what he did to get such special treatment?
And on the subject of the music, we've had four days of
nearly continuous thunderstorms. I managed to sneak out
between squal lines and grab my copy of FII. While
listening to Take Away My Pain the second time around,
I somehow became completely convinced that it was a bright
sunny day outside. I was completely shocked when thunder
shook the building and I spun around to see nothing but
dark and sullen storm clouds outside my window.
More musical impressions at a later date.
"Briiiaaaaan!!" "Kiiirrrrrrk!!"
- Joe, Wings - Khan, Wrath of Khan
brian.kirk@usvgi.mail.abb.com
Write me. If you dare!
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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 10:44:49 -0400
From: Nick Giannotti <N.Giannotti@COMEQUITY.COM>
To: "'Fellow Rabidly Zealous Fans....'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: My own FII review...
Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=Commonwealth_Equ%l=MAIL_SERVER-970924144449Z-5884@mail_server.comequity.com>
.. which might be coming late, but there's a cute story that precedes
it...
So I go to Tower in Burlington, MA, where I used to be the night manager
(sorry all the Boston people who I told I was gonna meet in town, but I
just couldn't make it), and I walk in at about 10 of midnight to the
hordes of EJ fans, and this guy gets in line behind me. He had the WORST
body odor in the world. And he starts making conversation with me (well,
at least, he tries, but I ignore him). So the line takes about 40
minutes to go down, and then I see my friend Steve ringing people
through. I say, "Steve, I'm gonna kill this guy behind me. Gimme the new
Dream Theater." And he gets it and says, "Hey, I have the promo of this,
I've been holding it for you for about two weeks now...."
Grrr... /me takes hostages.
Anyways, on with the review:
Anyone who thinks FII is bad smokes pounds of weed every day. This is
the most amazing album that I have ever heard. End of discussion.
(Side note: any other bassists out there as aroused as I am over JM's
sound?)
Just my .02 ......
-Nicholas
"Print is dead." - Igon
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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 09:03:30 -0600
From: Jim Wild <jwild@oneimage.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3002
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19970924090330.007a1d30@oneimage.com>
strap on the headphones and turn it way up...then start up 'just let me
breathe'. get ready for the hair on your back to stand up when jp's
wickedly distorted rythm kicks in.
kinda has a touch of that white zombie sound.
'open your eyes and turn off your mind....'
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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 11:09:47 -0400
From: "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.Belvoir.Army.Mil>
To: "'ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: FII - 35 hours on...
Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=AMSC%l=AMSC_NTAS-970924150947Z-4883@amsc_ntas.amsc.belvoir.army.mil>
Well, after my first blush comments, and fifteen more listens, I'll give
my opinions...
#1 Production. Hate it. No huevos, man...
LItS, HY, and PS all benefit from the best production on the CD - which
is still not great, IMO. BMS and ANM actually suffer from the weak
guitar tones and metallic drums. Of course, there are only about three
CD's that I've like the drums on that have come out this year, so I
guess I'm not up on the current trends... :)
I hate the snare on BMS. My coffee can comparison still applies.
It's no surprise the guitar in PS sounds like Metallica - JP used the
same kind of amp setup to record it. I wish his crunch rhythm sound was
that good for the rest of the CD...
#2 Songs. Fabulous, with the exception of you YNM, which I don't even
listen to. I also don't like the neo - Latin moves in TAMP. I DO really
like AL, which surprised me, and I think KJL did a good job lyrically...
LItS is one of the best songs I've heard this year, period. It left me
with that impression from the fix show I saw, and I now see why. I think
Pinnick works wonderfully in this tune, and I love the groove.
PS SMOKES! Good, moody feel to this...
I like JLMB, but I'm not floored by it. JP's soloing is really cool...
ANM is a cool structure, I just wish the guitar had more balls...
#3 Performances. Excellent. JP's playing is restrained where it needs to
be, JM is smooth and slick, Derek shuts up the KevMo supporters, MP
kicks serious butt (especially LItS, where his right hand is out of
control!), and, well, KJL does well, but doesn't transmit the feeling in
some of the slower stuff.
Verdict: Buy it, listen to it, love it. Hang Kevin Shirley, and torture
Desmond Child. :)
Mike
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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 11:13:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Greg R. Lee" <greg@aix.can.ibm.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Hollow Years
Message-ID: <199709241513.LAA22770@aixguru.mkm.can.ibm.com>
Personally ... I think Hollow Years is about the point in time when she
realized that she was not the reason he left. The "hollow years" is the
accumulation of time she wasted blaming herself for something that was
not her fault. The realization of all the wasted time has had a profound
effect...
My $0.02, US$0.014!
Greg,
Toronto.
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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 12:29:15 +0000
From: Alex Piaz <alex.piaz@originet.com.br>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Something about NP
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19970924122915.00694808@pop-gw.originet.com.br>
Hy there!!!
I received a information about the death od Neil Peart=B4s daughter. Is it
true???
Also, I would like to know if there is any kind of friendship between MP
and NP.
Thanks in advance
Alex
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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 11:26:42 -0400
From: Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: FII ramblings
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970924112642.01077850@sol.eng.fore.com>
>5) Trial of Tears intro and outro remind me an awful lot of the intro to
>"Xanadu", by Rush.
That's it - Xanadu! For some reason I kept hearing La Villa Strangiato
coming in during that part, but those percussion parts are straight out of
the intro to Xanadu.
Thanks for clearing that up.
KAI
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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 17:26:29 +0100
From: gra@provida.no
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: FII Review
Message-ID: <4125651C.0058E5D7.00@oslo1.provida.no>
Well I've had the FII since 16th, and as much as I want it to grow on me,
it doesn't. I find the CD dull, not a single song got stuck in my head the
first
4 times ...
When I first heard LITM, I went "Whoa DT rulez !". Between I&W and Awake
DT really got it right. With Awake beeing less cool than I&W, FII had to be
even worse ....
There are a couple of songs worth mentioning (in favour of DT):
Burning My Soul (a bit Awake here ?)
Peruvian Skies (Has it's moments)
DISCLAIMER (Flame protection):
This is strictly IMHO, and my taste of music is more in the range of I&W.
The above statements have never stated that DT sucks or anything,
I just got a little disappointed with their new release, that's all.
Compared to other bands, DT kicks asses.
-.profile [still listening to DT (even FII)]
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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 11:39:56 -0400
From: Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Doug's vocals on LITS
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970924113956.01078340@sol.eng.fore.com>
I'm not a King's X fan, but I really like the vocals that Doug adds. He
strangely reminds me of Murray Head who sang as Judas on the Jesus Christ
Superstar soundtrack. Doug sings these parts very emotionally, almost as
if he's a torn man or in some kind of pain. Very similar to Judas. I have
no idea what LITS is about yet, so I don't know if these thoughts fit, but
'pain' is the feeling I get from these vocals, and I love it.
KAI
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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 08:43:27 PDT
From: "scaythe 0111" <alamucantar@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: First blood, and opinion [song by song (almost)of FII]
Message-ID: <19970924154328.15549.qmail@hotmail.com>
y,hello, all. this is pretty much the first time i've done this, i just
subscribed to the ytsejam mailing list. first of all, though i've only
been a fan for 1.5 years, Dreamtheater easily became my favourite band,
and FII did not dissapoint me in any way. this is what i think based on
the 24 hours i've had to study it:
A New Millennium:
one of the songs that i don't remember too well, however, i knew when i
heard it that the rest of the album would follow in its majestic lead.
somehow reminded me of PMU, kicking off the album and lasting about the
same time.
You Not Me:
okay, i heard some people were dissapointed in this one. why? this has
got to be one of the best laid-out songs. what really hit me with this
one was the chourus, which is still running through my head. this song
is not to be taken too lightly.
Peruvian Skies:
WAIT- does this not sound EXACTLY like a way slower version of Enter
Sandman? and doesn't the guitar distortion sound like Creeping Death
after it picks up? all in all, a very cool song, haunting in a way.
Hollow Years:
although i like dark, heavy music, i have a weakness for slower songs of
a certain magnitude. if it can speak to me the right way, i don't care
how slow it is. this song rules.
damn i forgot which one is next. oh well.
Hell's Kitchen:
wow. *awestruck*
Lines In The Sand:
yes, this one is definetly "progressive," continuing the Dreamtheater
tradition. again, somehow reminds me of PMU. very good song.
ahh ....
okay, i didn't memorise the tracklisting, but i remember some of the
last ones .... ahh..
nm 10, the soft one that KJLB wrote is sweet. i can see myself listening
to that one again in the future.
Trail of Tears:
hmmmm... IAW again .... very very cool song. i especially like the first
and last parts, and the fact that its 13 minutes long. i don't know how
they do it.
well, this is my primary review again, i'll try again after i've
memorised everything.
hey- do any of you know any really good progressive/metal bands i should
get into? feel free to mail me ...........
scaythe
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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 09:46:31 -0600
From: Jim Wild <jwild@oneimage.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: you not me
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19970924094631.007b1370@oneimage.com>
does anyone else hear some strong def leppard in 'you not me'?
i love this tune!!!
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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 11:57:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: kristopher long <long16@matrix.newpaltz.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: You Not Me, JLMB
Message-ID: <199709241557.LAA27437@matrix.newpaltz.edu>
the new album is fargin' awesome, i've been listening to it nonstop since i
got it. i love it, but the two things that irk me a little bit are the
chorus in You Not Me, i just think it's lame and so generic sounding, the
rest of the song is fine, just the chorus sucks. Desmond Child can stick to
helping Aerosmith stay on the charts. the other thing is that whole take
the time lyric reversal in just let me breathe. what's up with that? i
understand what they're saying, it's just sounds weird to me. otherwise,
the new album rules!!!!
Kris Long
"Jimmy, I'm wearing your vibrating beads suit, and i'm using your illegal
drugs, and not only have I lost 60 pounds in one week, but I've discovered
that I am the devil!!! And the seas will run red with the blood of all the
sinners. I AM REBORN!!!!" -Will Ferrel on SNL sketch "Jimmy Tango's Fat
Busters"
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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 12:09:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: Erin Leigh Loope <eleighl@BGNet.bgsu.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Error Condition Re: Posting rejected
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.95.970924120846.8603A-100000@falcon.bgsu.edu>
Do not send any more email to this address!
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> please take my address off your list - thank you
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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 12:16:48 -0400
From: psull@ici.net (Pat Sullivan)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Hollow Years / sandy beaches
Message-ID: <199709241613.MAA16585@kira.ici.net>
> Anyway, the focus seems to be on the
>"survivor" of either case, and how he/she has kept their head under a
>rock, "Once the stone you're crawling under is lifted off your shoulders",
>and not realized what is going on. The consequence is loneliness,
>"crashing down of Hollow Years".
Actually, the way I interpret it, it's that the man left the family/couple -
just kind of walked out, and the "Hollow Years" are the period after the
breakup where the woman is questioning life/blaming herself/basically in a
rut. Once the stone is lifted... once she realizes that shit happens... She
gets on with her life and starts anew. That's "the crashing down of hollow
years".
I have a particular interest in this thread, because after my first listen
to the CD, this was my favorite song. The music may be simple, but I think
the lyrics make up for it.
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As an aside/random thought: Has anyone else noticed the large number of
ocean/beach/sand references in the songs on this album? I wonder if they
mean the beach from the cover of ACOS? :)
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E-mail: psull@ici.net
IRC: DDictator
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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 12:36:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: JamesAhab@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Monks
Message-ID: <970924123317_1429132458@emout01.mail.aol.com>
>< There are monks chanting away on some tune? Which one? Anyone heard
'em? ><
There is some type of whispering at the beginning ofr BMS. Maybe that's the
"Del Fuvio Monks"
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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 11:42:14 -0500 (CDT)
From: Mike Jones <mgjones@mcs.net>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Hollow Years / sandy beaches
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.3.95.970924113604.3272A-100000@Venus.mcs.net>
Hmm....I'll have to listen to HY a few more times....My first
intrepretation is based on only a couple of listens.
As for the ocean/beach sand references, the album is loaded with them,
both literal "I was standing by the edge of the water" and
metaphorical "The tide is turning now baby".
-- Mike Jones, mgjones@mcs.net _____________ Web Design: mike@biggorilla.com Progressive Genius( http://www.progmetal.org/ring )Progressive Metal RingOn Wed, 24 Sep 1997, Pat Sullivan wrote:
> Mike Jones wrote: > > Anyway, the focus seems to be on the > >"survivor" of either case, and how he/she has kept their head under a > >rock, "Once the stone you're crawling under is lifted off your shoulders", > >and not realized what is going on. The consequence is loneliness, > >"crashing down of Hollow Years". > > Actually, the way I interpret it, it's that the man left the family/couple - > just kind of walked out, and the "Hollow Years" are the period after the > breakup where the woman is questioning life/blaming herself/basically in a > rut. Once the stone is lifted... once she realizes that shit happens... She > gets on with her life and starts anew. That's "the crashing down of hollow > years". > > I have a particular interest in this thread, because after my first listen > to the CD, this was my favorite song. The music may be simple, but I think > the lyrics make up for it. > > ----- > > As an aside/random thought: Has anyone else noticed the large number of > ocean/beach/sand references in the songs on this album? I wonder if they > mean the beach from the cover of ACOS? :) > > -----
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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 19:36:45 +0300 From: "Janne Niiranen" <Janne.Niiranen@iwn.fi> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Hollow Years Message-ID: <199709241644.TAA02512@northstar.iwn.fi>
The melody of Hollow Years remminds me Weezer.
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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 12:56:18 -0400 (EDT) From: NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@wezl.org> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Falling Into Infinity: The WORST... Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.970924125422.13601B-100000@infinite.wezl.org>
I totally agree with Mike...that's almost the only thing I could find wrong with this CD...it's fucking Awesome!!! I still think perhaps the order is a bit screwed...once I figure out the ultimate order for songs on FII I'll post it...other than that, this is a killer CD! Oh yeah, does anyone else think that YNM doesn't really fit in with the rest of the album? I mean lyricly it does...but it's like the one song that just seems to be in it's own little world musicly
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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 13:01:23 -0400 (EDT) From: NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@wezl.org> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Kevin Shirly Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.970924125708.13601C-100000@infinite.wezl.org>
What can I say except the man is a genius! I think many of the recording types on here will agree with me. Listen to the tones of each individual song...Each song has so many unique qualities that it's just incredible...some of them the keys stand WAY out while the giutar is just kinda there...others the BASS is CRAZY while the keys are low...I love how the production plays a HUGE part of the listenability of the album. I have one minor gripe so far with one song other than YNM (which I do like by the way...just don't see how it fits)...I like Doug and Kings X...but does anyone else think his voice kinda doesn't work with James' voice? I mean I don't even think he's high in the mix...I think he's just got a lot more lung power and the whole "drawing lines in the sand..." part of LitS just kinda draws my ears from the rest of the song...which BTW is Incredible! Just a thought
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