YTSEJAM Digest 3009
Today's Topics:
1) FII-At Last!!
by Kyrre Trohjell <Kyrre.Trohjell@hd.uib.no>
2) King Theater/Dream Crimson
by "R. Ananda" <spod@u.washington.edu>
3) THE MIRROR webpages
by Steffen Barabasch <TheMirror@westend.com>
4) Re: Comments on Derek
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
5) My FII story
by "William Rollo" <rollo@pacificnet.net>
6) two questions
by Chris Daley <cdaley@gmu.edu>
7) Re: I am sad...
by Andrew Berry <andrew@aberry.demon.co.uk>
8) Re: First single of FII
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
9) re: YNM doesn't fit
by yzzy <yzzy@theonramp.net>
10) Re: Error Condition Re: Posting rejected
by Erin Leigh Loope <eleighl@BGNet.bgsu.edu>
11) DT bootlegs for sale
by eiji@flatwell.com (Eiji Hirai)
12) Re: Error Condition Re: Posting rejected
by Erin Leigh Loope <eleighl@BGNet.bgsu.edu>
13) Vanden plas
by David Di Tivoli <dream@pronet.it>
14) Fan Club
by Martin R=?iso-8859-1?Q?=E9?=millard <rem.martin@sympatico.ca>
15) Re: "Our Spirit Dream Swims Upstream..."/Is that a windows sound?
by JamesAhab@aol.com
16) Grunge...
by Shane Liebling <jusenkyo@uclink4.berkeley.edu>
17) Re: FII Revisited
by Isaac Sabetai <isabetai@bu.edu>
18) Kevin Shitly
by Shai Yallin <Yallin@Netvision.net.il>
19) Analyzing the analysis
by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 19:03:55 GMT+1
From: Kyrre Trohjell <Kyrre.Trohjell@hd.uib.no>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: FII-At Last!!
Message-ID: <2F991786FF2@humanistisk.hd.uib.no>
The shop got FII today, and I bought it in a heartbeat!
To all norwegians and scandinavians! It should be at your local store
NOW! Run and buy it!
Now I'll have to get home and give it a couple of listens.
I'll comment on it in the morning!
Kyrre
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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 10:14:06 -0700 (PDT)
From: "R. Ananda" <spod@u.washington.edu>
To: Clit-see Jam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: King Theater/Dream Crimson
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.96a.970924100601.13082A-100000@dante10.u.washington.edu>
Before you read any further, let's just take it as read that "A
New Millenium" is a very hip piece of music.
However, the main rhythm of this song, especially during the instrumental
bit at the end, reminds me a lot of King Crimson. Actually, it
does more than remind me of King Crimson, it IS King Crimson. It's
palyed a little faster, but the melody is REMARKABLY similar to
"Discipline" from the album of the same name. Even the rim click
and tom stuff that Portnoy is doing is so reminiscent of Bruford,
it makes me wonder why they didn't just get Bill himself to the play
on the record.
Anyone else catch this similarity? I've played this for my band and
the first thing my bassist said was..."Whoa, Crimson shit."
Rahul Ananda : spod@u.washington.edu or thehand@dreamt.org
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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 19:15:23 +0200
From: Steffen Barabasch <TheMirror@westend.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: THE MIRROR webpages
Message-ID: <34294AA2.C3D39295@westend.com>
Hello everyone!
Check out the THE MIRROR webpages, if you understand German or just want to
see how I redesigned it a bit ;-)
BTW, the rsabbs-pages seem to be a bit dated, still having clinics from March
in the tourdates section and stuff... What happened?
For all those who understand German:
Schaut mal in die Seiten von THE MIRROR, dem offiziellen deutschen Fanclub.
Die letzten Neuigkeiten und vieles mehr!
http://www.westend.com/TheMirror
Later,
Steffen Barabasch - THE MIRROR
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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 13:35:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
To: Shane Liebling <jusenkyo@uclink4.berkeley.edu>
Subject: Re: Comments on Derek
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.91.970924132920.24615A-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
I totally disagree with the KM show-off comment. Let's take a look at a
few tunes. Firstly, on Awake, the only songs he really shows off in are
6:00 and his solo in scarred. Outside of that, what does he do that is
such a showpiece? On IW, PMU, another day, for starters, have no solos in
them. Take the Time has a few keyboard spots in it, and Surrounded is a
ballad where JP does more fast runs than KM does. Need I go on?
Metropolis? Who doesn't show off in that song? In fact, name one instance
where the musicians of DT don't really show their stuff. In fact, I like
showoffs. JP, MP especially and JLB with those stratospheric notes are
all showoffs to some degree. If they didn't show off at all, you would
have what we call straightforward grunge music. Who wants that. Without
their showing off, you wouldn't have such classics as Metropolis, TTT,
and LTL. What about YTSEJAM? Instrumentals for me have always been about
showing off to some degree. What is a gutar solo but a showoff segment.
Isn't that the way with any solo? I am not saying that showing off is
good all the time, there is a time and a place, but I thought Kevin was
very tasteful in his playing. Unless somebody can show me a case where he
did overdo it. I never knew KM to rip out 32nd notes in TLF or anything
like that. Listen to Eve. I don't hear any KM overdone key parts. I think
the guys are very tasteful and only blaze where they need to.
Reach Damon Fibraio at damon@shell.monmouth.com
keyboardist, vocalist, radio personality
Deviant of Reality
All of us get lost in the darkness, dreamers learn to steer by the stars
All of us do time in the gutter, dreamers turn to look at the cars.
Neil Peart of Rush
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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 10:13:58 -0700
From: "William Rollo" <rollo@pacificnet.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: My FII story
Message-ID: <199709241755.KAA09575@polaris.pacificnet.net>
Well, here is my story regarding FII...
On my lunch break yesterday, I ventured over to the Tower
Records across from where I work to pick up the new CD.
I check the "New Releases" section, and there, amongst the
multitudes of the Bjork CD's and others, was NO Dream
Theater!!!! I was worried that the release date had slipped...
Composing myself, I strolled over to the Dream Theater bin
to see if it was there.... Two copies left... I grabbed one and
headed for the registers.
I was met at the counter by a seventeen year old zit-encrusted
kid who promptly told me to fork over 18 bucks and change!?!?!
Lo and behold, the price of the CD was 16.99! As some of you
know, new CDs are always on sale at Tower, and I informed the
"dude" of this and that the "CD should be on sale, right?" He
stared at me with this bloodshot glassy-eyed look, grabbed the
CD, looked at the price and said "uhhhh not on sale".
I considered raising a ruckus but the fever coursing through my
veins decided for me. Damn the price! I gotta listen to this CD!
I handed over my Amex and signed away on the dotted line.
The moral of this story:
I am just glad that I am not a postal worker =)
The CD is great. Go get it if you have not already. Just don't expect
Images and Words and you'll be juuuust fine.
--- William Rollo -=- XP-Elwood ---
--- rollo@pacificnet.net ---
--- La Fortune Passe Partout ---
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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 14:01:52 -0400
From: Chris Daley <cdaley@gmu.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: two questions
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970924140150.007cd940@mason.gmu.edu>
What's up with the people who type up the lyrics for the booklet? Don't
they use a spell checker? Doesn't somebody proofread? I know I'd
proofread something if it was going to be sent out to millions of
people...shrug...
Hasn't anyone compared the first few seconds of Hollow Years to the first
few seconds of Bleeding Me from Metallica's Load album? Shrug...people
probably have...alright..
Chris.
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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 18:00:21 +0100 (BST)
From: Andrew Berry <andrew@aberry.demon.co.uk>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: I am sad...
Message-ID: <Marcel-1.26-0924170021-d07evuQ@aberry.demon.co.uk>
In <URL:news:local.ytsejam> on Wed 24 Sep, djw_at_neon@smtpgate.walker.com wrote:
>
> I am sad...
>
> Why?
>
> Is it because, DT have sold out?
> Is it because, they've gone for a grunge production...
>
> No.
>
> It is because I am a UK Jammer and haven't got the CD yet,
I'm also looking forward to hearing it - I'm off tomorrow to see if any
of the record shops have got import copies in. My mate said that the
shop where he works was getting 5 copies, but he's on holiday this week
so I can't ask him!
Andrew, another UK jammer.
-- +--Andrew Berry (webmaster, Metal Links) ----------------------------------+ | 4700 links to metal pages - http://www.aberry.demon.co.uk/metallinks/ | +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | "Fire forever in the sky; fire burning the sins of my past life, | | Fire torching my soul - it is my pleasure, I will never see heaven." | +----------------------------------------------------- Gehenna ------------+------------------------------
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 14:08:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com> To: Ties Goebel <goebel@inf.fu-berlin.de> Subject: Re: First single of FII Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.91.970924140816.24615C-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
Does anybody know if the BMS single has other tracks on it as did Lie and the Silent man singles?
Reach Damon Fibraio at damon@shell.monmouth.com keyboardist, vocalist, radio personality Deviant of Reality All of us get lost in the darkness, dreamers learn to steer by the stars All of us do time in the gutter, dreamers turn to look at the cars. Neil Peart of Rush
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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 13:13:25 -0500 From: yzzy <yzzy@theonramp.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: re: YNM doesn't fit Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19970924131325.007cc8e0@mail.theonramp.net>
>Oh yeah, does anyone else think that YNM doesn't really fit in with the rest of >the album? I mean lyricly it does...but it's like the one song that just seems >to be in it's own little world musicly
it's a "radio song" which shud get a lot of attention from current non-DT fans. which is waay kewl cos it might get DT back into the studio sooner rather then later.
yzzy //Iz*zee//E*zee//E*ziz*ee//Y*z*z*y//Izzzzz
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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 14:15:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Erin Leigh Loope <eleighl@BGNet.bgsu.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Error Condition Re: Posting rejected Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.95.970924141457.15614D-100000@falcon.bgsu.edu>
stop sending mail to this address.
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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 11:18:02 -0700 From: eiji@flatwell.com (Eiji Hirai) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: DT bootlegs for sale Message-ID: <199709241818.LAA18032@roanoke.sfo.cie.cuc.com>
I have the following Dream Theater CDs that I'm putting up for sale.
all of Mike Bahr's DT bootlegs (all original, no replicas):
$50 Subconscious (Mike Bahr says $70-$130) $50 Acoustic Dreams (Mike Bahr says $140-$180) $15 When Dream and Today Unite (still available from Mike Bahr at $20) $30 Antiquities (Mike Bahr says $55-$80) $20 Scenes from a Memory (REPLICAS available from Mike Bahr for $20) $15 Precious Things (still available via Mike Bahr for $20) $15 Darkest of Winters (still available via Mike Bahr for $20)
( I have two copies of Scenes from a Memory. I bought the additional copy because of utter stupidity on my part, doh! )
Dream Theater International Fan Club
$10 Christmas CD 1996 (may or may not be available for $15 membership)
other bootlegs
$15 Dream Out Loud $20 The Dance of Eternity (2 CD set) $20 Lords of Sound (2 CD set) $20 Lost in the Sky (2 CD set)
All are in excellent condition.
Even though I still fervently love Dream Theater, I've listened to these over and over again and it's time for me to move on. I still listen to the regular studio albums though.
If you're willing to buy the entire batch, I'll discount. If you're in the San Francisco Bay Area and are willing to come by to pick up the CDs, I'll discount (and you'll also get to inspect the CDs to make sure they're in good condition). I don't know how much to discount but it really depends on whether you'll take the entire batch or not.
Yes, I realize that the current "market" price for Subconscious is about $70-$130 and so on but I'm hoping that you'll be enticed to take the entire Mike Bahr package. I probably won't sell the Subconscious and Acoustic Dreams CD just by themselves. I also feel that some of the "market" prices are a kinda a ridiculous, even though I understand how prices can go high for hard-to-get CDs.
I'm less familiar with the prices for the other bootlegs that I obtained. I think I got some of them from cdnow.com but they don't list prices anymore. I think I paid more than $20 for most of them, but I've priced them conservatively.
Anyway, let me know (1) if you're interested and (2) if you're in the Bay Area. If you're offering to buy up the entire collection, you'll be favored over other offers I get.
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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 14:29:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Erin Leigh Loope <eleighl@BGNet.bgsu.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Error Condition Re: Posting rejected Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.95.970924142910.23152A-100000@bgnet2.bgsu.edu>
stop sending mail to this address
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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 14:13:17 +0200 From: David Di Tivoli <dream@pronet.it> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Vanden plas Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970924141317.008c2780@pronet.it>
Is the new Vanden plas good?I bought the last but I didn't like his voice...... +--------------------------------------------------+ | David Di Tivoli | | "DREAM" Undernet:#italia | | E-mail:dream@pronet.it | | UIN #2549487 | |www.pegacity.it/abita/374/index.htm | |-----------------------------------------------------|
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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 14:45:41 -0700 From: Martin R=?iso-8859-1?Q?=E9?=millard <rem.martin@sympatico.ca> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Fan Club Message-ID: <34298A05.39AE@sympatico.ca>
Hi, I am a new DT fan, I just started listening to their CDs a couple of months ago. I have a couple of questions in regard to the Fan Club.
1- I'm canadian and was planning on writing to the New York adress but the FII booklet makes no mention of that adress. Where should I send my request ?
2- Do I need to include an envelope ? If I do what size and how many stamps ?
thanks in advance Rem FiI just Rocks !
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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 14:56:18 -0400 (EDT) From: JamesAhab@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: "Our Spirit Dream Swims Upstream..."/Is that a windows sound? Message-ID: <970924145439_978390225@emout18.mail.aol.com>
>< It should be obvious to you by now IF YOU ARE a Dream Theater fan that Dream Theater is neither Megadeth nor Cacophony. They have changed dramatically over the course of their writing, not just because they're maturing as a band, and not just because they're getting better as musicians, but because they are consciously trying NOT TO RE-WRITE the same old music they've been making. Dream Theater thus far has proven itself NON REPETITIVE. That's a quality I cherish in music, with so many bands releasing the same song over and over again ><
Is this some kind of shot at Megadeth? It seems you're saying Megadeth IS repetitive. Listen to Killing Is My Business... and then Cryptic Writings, I guarantee you won't even know it's the same band.
>< Is that a windows (as in Microsoft) sound I hear in Lines in the Sand somewhere around 10:15? You know, that standard sound that you get when open a window. Sure sounds familiar. ><
LOL...I hear it, too...I think you're right, but I can't quite place where on my computer the wave kicks in.
Anywayz, my review coming up next.
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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 11:57:25 -0700 From: Shane Liebling <jusenkyo@uclink4.berkeley.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Grunge... Message-ID: <v03007802b04f11ca9c20@[169.229.75.60]>
I don't know about all of you but I really feel strongly about this whole comment of "grunge.' As far as I can tell "grunge" as many people define it, is dead. There is no grunge sound anymore. The only people who were grunge were Pearl Jam, Alice In Chains, Nirvana, and Soundgarden. And with the last two gone and the first two not even sounding like what they used to I think one could easily theorize that grunge is dead.
If one doesn't feel that it is dead than the only explanation I can give is that the terms "grunge" and "alternative" are worthless nowdays, because now it is just normal music, popular music if you want to call it that. There is no distinction any more, and the usage of either "alternative" or "grunge" just dates the user and also I think sounds like a "holier than thou" position.
That's just my opinion, I could be wrong... Take it easy!
-Shane
____________________________________________________________________________ Shane Liebling R "All of us get lost in the darkness, jusenkyo@uclink4.berkeley.edu U dreamers learn to steer by the stars CAA Layman and Ytsejammer S All of us do time in the gutter, Member of a.m.m.o. since 1997 H dreamers turn to look at the cars." -------------------------------- The Sites --------------------------------- The Short Me - http://www.hotwired.com/members/profile/demolitionman/ The Long Me - http://www.earthlink.net/~mariachi Cal's RC5 Mirror Site - http://www.earthlink.net/~mariachi/rc5/ Deutsch Hall's Webpage - http://www.reshall.berkeley.edu/unit1/deutsch/ ---------------------------------- by Me -----------------------------------
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Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 15:01:42 -0400 From: Isaac Sabetai <isabetai@bu.edu> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: FII Revisited Message-ID: <342AB516.63F5B6BA@bu.edu>
> I bought it yesterday, listened to it yesterday evening... All I can say after > this is that I DO NOT have the same feeling of excitement like I had after IaW > and Awake... On some songs I can feel the good old DT (LiTS fe) but I was not > blown away like some years ago with their other albums... I also miss the more > complex rhythm changes and arrangements... I hope this stuff has to grow, and > that a second and third listen will reveal a little more... > Instead of listening for time sig. changes dizzying instrumental passages, listen to the music as a whole. This album is very different then what we are used to, but I still love it. One of my favorite songs is You Not Me. This morning I was sitting through class, with the chorus stuck in my head. I've never had a prog song echo in my mind like that. Oh yeah, FII ROCKS!! :)
Isaac -- "It sounds diminished ... but it's not"- John Petrucci
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Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 21:14:38 +0200 From: Shai Yallin <Yallin@Netvision.net.il> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Kevin Shitly Message-ID: <32E90A1E.2C59@Netvision.net.il>
Hello there...
Well, I'm now listening for the 8th time to FII... and I gotta say:
This could have been a much much better album if the production was like in Awake or even I&W.... At least the snare isn't sampled....
Anyhow...
Best song on CD: Lines in the Sand.... I just love the bass/keys unison on the beginning and after the 1st and 2nd verse.... you know, the electric-sounding ones....
That's about all....
NP: Take a wild frickin' guess....
-- Shai Yallin - Kurush on #YTSEJAM
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"How can you keep your head and not go insane whenthe only light at the end of the tunnel is another train?" - Mike Portnoy
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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 15:22:57 -0400 From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Analyzing the analysis Message-ID: <199709241922.PAA08358@ren.cs.wm.edu>
> From: brian.kirk@USVGI.mail.abb.com > Subject: Re: misspelling > > I somehow became completely convinced that it was a bright > sunny day outside. I was completely shocked when thunder > shook the building and I spun around to see nothing but > dark and sullen storm clouds outside my window.
An interesting observation, Jacob - er, Brian. :)
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> From: Nick Giannotti <N.Giannotti@COMEQUITY.COM> > Subject: My own FII review... > > just couldn't make it), and I walk in at about 10 of midnight to the > hordes of EJ fans, [snip]
Anyone else read this and wonder why they hadn't heard about a new Eric Johnson release?
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> From: "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.Belvoir.Army.Mil> > Subject: FII - 35 hours on... > > PS SMOKES! Good, moody feel to this...
I just realized how many times this song changes time sigs, from 4/4 to 3/4, to 6/8, back to 3/4... Was someone listening to the later Beatles albums while writing?
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> From: Erin Leigh Loope <eleighl@BGNet.bgsu.edu> > Subject: Re: Error Condition Re: Posting rejected > > Do not send any more email to this address!
I've threatened it before, and I'm getting more and more serious about it. If a lot more people post things like this to the whole list, I'm going to e-mail them the FAQ.
Figure it out, Erin. Check my .sig for where you should look.
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> From: psull@ici.net (Pat Sullivan) > Subject: Hollow Years / sandy beaches > > As an aside/random thought: Has anyone else noticed the large number of > ocean/beach/sand references in the songs on this album? I wonder if they > mean the beach from the cover of ACOS? :)
I think it's impossible *not* to write a few songs about beaches in your life if you grew up on Long Island. I've used beach/ocean/sand imagery rather often.
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