YTSEJAM Digest 3025
Today's Topics:
1) May I explain?
by Nick Giannotti <N.Giannotti@COMEQUITY.COM>
2) James LaMusatine? / BU folks, pay attention
by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
3) Shit and stuff
by Shai Yallin <Yallin@Netvision.net.il>
4) JM's Chapman Stick
by Matt Robbins-McDaniel <cfi@disknet.com>
5) Winter Rose/FII
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
6) PRECIOUS THINGS
by DaveH <buster@ee.net>
7) ASDF
by "Domingo E. Salazar Garza" <dsalazar@abamotriz.abacogf.com>
8) Re: the return . . .
by Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
9) Re: FII... Grundge is dead...AMEN!
by Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
10) Re: Winter Rose/FII
by Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
11) Cover related topic, and the challenge goes on...
by Über Cabe <caber1@concentric.net>
12) well....
by CLARK ABEL <99ABEL@alma.edu>
13)
by jemmons@neo.lrun.com
14) jlmb/wfs connection...
by Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
15) This is why grammar is important...
by Eckie <eckie@asu.edu>
16) Re: wankiness...
by Jeremy Ulrey <bangyrheadmf@geocities.com>
17) You Not Me
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 08:39:53 -0400
From: Nick Giannotti <N.Giannotti@COMEQUITY.COM>
To: "'Fellow Rabidly Zealous Fans....'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: May I explain?
Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=Commonwealth_Equ%l=MAIL_SERVER-970926123953Z-974@mail_server.comequity.com>
> >If I sound pissed off, I am. I joined this list because I thought that
> >it was for people who were fans of Dream Theater to discuss Dream
>
> I can tell. I joined this list so I could have some intelligent
> discussions about good music, and what good music is. Unfortunately,
nowadays
> that discussion can only continue as long as no one says anything negative
> about OFB.
Sorry to rehash, I just feel that I have to comment on this...
I'm all for good, intelligent discussions about music (i.e. the can of
worms that I suppose I opened up between Clark Abel and Chris Ptacek
with my original post), be the comments about OFB either positive or
negative - SO LONG as they aren't like, "DT's new album sucks." (end of
post). If you're gonna slam, at least have the decency to back up the
slamming; don't appear ignorant in front of 1200 people. :)
And I still think FII kicks ass.
-Nicholas
"Print is dead." -Igon
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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 08:54:38 -0400
From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: James LaMusatine? / BU folks, pay attention
Message-ID: <199709261254.IAA05413@wi.cs.wm.edu>
So, in Burning My Soul, that last verse there (especially lines like "just to
stay on my good side"), does anyone else think that James sounds an awful lot
like Dave Mustaine?
All you BU types, go volunteer for the football team this weekend, and travel
down here for the game and visit me. (Unless you don't want to see your team
lose. :)
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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 15:03:04 +0200
From: Shai Yallin <Yallin@Netvision.net.il>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Shit and stuff
Message-ID: <342BB287.6AC2@Netvision.net.il>
> I KNEW I'd get a response from Chris Ptacek!
> > Who's defining a whole genre? Take this to the level of basic
> >English... what does "Progress" mean? Then what would you infer that Your as guilty as anyone when it comes to this, Ptacek. Can you
Yeah! Cool! Flame wars!!!! (Read with a Beavis voice....)
Just wanted to say: You can't argue about music. Everyone has his own
taste.
For example:
This list consists of metal freaks who listen to Sepultura and Pantera.
I can't stand those bands. But I don't go and shout to thw whole jam: "I
hate Pantera!!!" (Mainly 'cos i'll get eaten alive if i'll say something
like that...._)
You want another example? hear you go:
Another genre mainly discussed here is 70s prog rock, like Yes and King
Crimson. Don't like 'em. So what?!? Do I fill the jam with posts like:
"Yes SUX!!!!"? No I don't (Again, i'll get linched if i will...).
But seriously,
Someone already said that, but I think it's true so i'll repeat it:
DT's music talks to many ppl because it consists of many types of music.
There's enough music for the average headbanger, enough for the
prog-head, and with this album, enough for the common person. So, while
Mr. X thinks the album rocks, Mr. Q thinks it sux. It's as simpe as
that. No need for flame wars.
Whoa. got kinda long.... Probably my longest post so far....
--
Shai Yallin - Kurush on #YTSEJAM
"I'm American, honey. Our names don't mean shit."
- Bruce Willis on Pulp Fiction
"How can you keep your head and not go insane when the only light at the
end of the tunnel is another train" - Mike Portnoy
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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 09:28:06 -0500
From: Matt Robbins-McDaniel <cfi@disknet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: JM's Chapman Stick
Message-ID: <342BC676.4740@disknet.com>
Could someone please tell me where exactly JM is using the Stick on FII
(which songs and when in the song)? Also, does anyone know which Stick
he is using (Bass, 10-string, 12-string)?? Thanks in advance and
private email is fine.
Matt
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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 09:30:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Winter Rose/FII
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970926092520.24019E-100000@bdmserver>
cdconnection.com has the winter rose cd at a whopping $33...
Comparing my inital thoughts on Awake with my initial thoughts on FII and
I like FII better. Maybe it has been too long without new DT but only
time will tell how everyone feels about FII. Surely some people had
initial reactions about FII as being lousy but haven't you ever bought a
cd and disliked it at first but after more listens the cd grows on you to a
point where you really love the cd?
I can't really pick a song off FII that I like the best. After every
listen to the cd I have a new favorite FII song...
Current FII favorite:Hollow Years (something about those vocals...)
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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 09:38:32 -0400
From: DaveH <buster@ee.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: PRECIOUS THINGS
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970926093832.0068fea0@ee.net>
I need a copy of Precious Things. Mike Bahr: I've tried emailing
you because I'd like to purchase a copy ASAP, but apparently
you're having email trouble. Please give me a shout, or if anyone
out there has a copy for sale and NEW condition, let me know.
Thanks!
buster@ee.net
http://users1.ee.net/buster/ - DT
http://www.dhpc.com/ryche/ - QR
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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 09:18:49 -0600
From: "Domingo E. Salazar Garza" <dsalazar@abamotriz.abacogf.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: ASDF
Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=Abaco_Grupo_Fina%l=AGFMEXICO/AGFHUBMAIN/000EF230@siagfmty1.abacogf.com>
I want to suscribe to the Ytsejam mailing list.
GRACIAS
DOMINGO SALAZAR
GMAC ABA|MOTRIZ
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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 10:33:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: the return . . .
Message-ID: <199709261433.KAA19970@njmsa.UMDNJ.EDU>
>
>
> . . . of the most despised list member from isolation and lurking.
>
no.....that would probably be that Coghlan dude......:P Just
going by general Ytsejam reaction to posts....this was a joke,
I would probablly be up there if I became a lurker as well....
Anywa, FII is growing on me faster than Awake did....well
except for SpaceDyeVest, which immediately kicked my ass. I knew I
shouldn't have posted that review a while back....and I'm
sure that everyone else who has posted bad thing will do
the same in a few months....
that's the beauty of Dream Theater - only their music has so
many little intricacies, that when you listen to it the 100th
time, you STILL find something new,..... damn I love this
fuckin' band......
by the way, Mads, I sweat you hard......"you can have your
nipples and tweak them too"??? You, Eckie, and Bafu in a
room would probably kill anyone in the same room as you guys...
which reminds me, where's Bafu been??????
-Al
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I inhale the sun...........I exhale the absence of light
I am the number One..........burning.
^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^
email: balkiewi@njmsa.umdnj.edu the_prof@bigfoot.com
HOMEPAGE:http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/9280/index.html
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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 10:52:36 -0400 (EDT)
From: Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: FII... Grundge is dead...AMEN!
Message-ID: <199709261452.KAA28683@njmsa.UMDNJ.EDU>
> >Korn: Very talented, we'll see them stick around.
>
> I dug what you said until you came to this line. Maybe you've heard a
> different Korn.
>
I have to come to some defense here....Korn is a talented band...
The drummer has got some great chops (even though he's not
school-taught), and the guitarists have a unique style (not
unlike Tom Morello of Rage) and come up with very interesting
and intense licks.....obviously the musical caliber is different
but their intensity in there and the groove factor is definitely
there as well......true some of the songs may be on the low end,
but this is only their second album, and a majority of their
material is really good.
Now, you just have to get used to the singer........ :)
-Al
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I inhale the sun...........I exhale the absence of light
I am the number One..........burning.
^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^
email: balkiewi@njmsa.umdnj.edu the_prof@bigfoot.com
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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 11:02:21 -0400 (EDT)
From: Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Winter Rose/FII
Message-ID: <199709261502.LAA03700@njmsa.UMDNJ.EDU>
>
> I can't really pick a song off FII that I like the best. After every
> listen to the cd I have a new favorite FII song...
>
> Current FII favorite:Hollow Years (something about those vocals...)
>
I'm tellin' y'all, it's the lack of vibrato in his voice......
This song kick major buttocks........with Lines in the Sand
a very close second.....I too have come to the "Trial of Tears
is the last song so I haven't heard it yet" dilemma, but from
what I remember, this one is already in third, with Anna Lee
(nooffense, Mr. LaBrie) a dead last.......even though it is
pretty........
-Al
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I inhale the sun...........I exhale the absence of light
I am the number One..........burning.
^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^
email: balkiewi@njmsa.umdnj.edu the_prof@bigfoot.com
HOMEPAGE:http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/9280/index.html
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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 10:39:28 -0700
From: Über Cabe <caber1@concentric.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Cover related topic, and the challenge goes on...
Message-ID: <342BF350.24C8@concentric.net>
Hi everyone,
> From: imajica@algonet.se (Niklas Thorpenberg)
> Subject: JLB, FII, Möbius
> > Well, theyre not 8's they happen to be Möbius loops...
> >anyway, they are the greek, or some such arcane laguage, symbol for..
> >Infinity!
> Actually, a Möbius loop (strip? continuum?) is not only infinite. It is
> created by a paper strip. Twist it half a lap, and then attach its two ends
> to each other. This way you will be able to run a pencil on both sides of
> the paper without ever crossing the edge of it. Wasn't Möbius a German
> mathematician?
Yes Mobby was a German mathematician. But the cool thing about the strip
is that it's really ONE DIMENSIONAL!!! It's really cool thing to waste
time thinking about. And if you're into reading horror books go and get
Brian Lumley's Necroscope series. They not only talk about strips,
continuums, but they got talking dead people, WOOHOO! :)
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> From: "TheCowGod" <dmc@dreamt.org>
> Subject: DT has sold out and I am a god guitarist.
> I just got back on here, so i dunno if i'm on track, but the first thing i
> noticed when i popped the CD into my player yesterday is that NM is almost
> completely in 4/4. I was like, whoa. Different. :) well, i think if anyone's
> complaining, it might have something to do with that - DT seems to have
> toned down the 'progrssive' part of their music on the first half of the CD.
> However, i tried to play a few of the songs and i quickly realized that they
> still write way better music than i do :) Plus the last half of the CD is
> still very progressive (lines in the sand just rocks the everlasting nad :)
> Well, that's all from me.
Well, I don't care if someone says that DT isn't prog. What I'm
questioning is when someone says right out that they're grunge or
alternative or sell-outs. Well, I'm up to jam 3011, right now and no
one's been able to point out one *fact*. Hmm, interesting...
Über Cabe
caber1@concentric.net
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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 11:51:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: CLARK ABEL <99ABEL@alma.edu>
To: YTSEJAM@ax.com
Subject: well....
Message-ID: <01IO3IQMOYWY9ODNHO@alma.edu>
> I want to suscribe to the Ytsejam mailing list.
No you don't.
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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 11:53:49 -0400
From: jemmons@neo.lrun.com
Message-ID: <199709261554.IAA26921@odin.ax.com>
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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 12:01:06 +0100
To: ytsejam@ax.com
]From: jemmons@neo.lrun.com (John Emmons)
Subject: Lyrics on FII- Japanese tracks
Jason,
>It seems to me that DT is getting more cryptic... their lyrics have just as
>much meaning, but it's more sheltered. At first glance, some may say,
>These lyrics suck... but with more observation/study, the same amount of
>meaning can be derived from many of these songs. (of course there are the
>straightforward ones, that seems more for the public who has no idea what
the nice thing is that although the lyrics may have become more
vague, but they are still very poignant, they still have quite alot to
offer a listener who wants to take some time and read them. They still are
very "internally" driven- they discuss a range of situations and
complications that the other albums try and touch- the idea of seeing with
"eyes closed" and such. So now it's just a little more work to get to the
meaning, that's all...It's good practice for the English majors (like me!)
>After some searching and after getting out my magnifying glass, the extras
>are "Take away my pain" (some other version, too small on the picture to
>see), and "Speak to Me".
Just curious to ask if these will be realeased on any sort of
single? I don't know if Dream Theater will be releasing many singles, but
Queensryche released "chasing blue sky" on their single, so it wasn't
necessary to hunt down the Japanese version...and if you doubt that this
will be on a single, does anyone know where can I order the Japanese
Album?
Thanks for your time,
Maria
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listen to a virtual song
press this key to play along
press this key to see
amazing things-
~Rush
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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 11:54:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: jlmb/wfs connection...
Message-ID: <199709261554.LAA08495@umbc8.umbc.edu>
> Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 00:23:08 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Brandon Elhai <belhai@drew.edu>
> To: Dream Theater <ytsejam@ax.com>
> Subject: JLMB/WFS connection?
>
> Jammers--
>
> Has anyone else noticed that the lick from "just let me breathe"
> (3:39-3:41) is a sped up version of the riff from "wait for sleep" (the
> example being 0:00-0:02)? Pretty interesting.
>
> Brandon
What are you, crazy? just because hey're both in 5/4 and go 1-b7-1 over
and over again?
Just kidding! Yes, I've noticed this, too. :)
Steve Z
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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 09:21:59 -0700
From: Eckie <eckie@asu.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: This is why grammar is important...
Message-ID: <342BE127.47BAD83F@asu.edu>
> and I am feel pretty lucky to Dream Theater in this world.
Did anybody understand this one?~Eckie, your 5th grade English teacher...AGAIN!
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Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 19:02:14 -0700
From: Jeremy Ulrey <bangyrheadmf@geocities.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: wankiness...
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970925190214.007da660@mail1.amaonline.com>
Someone wrote:
<italic> Sure. This album is a progression from Awake, in my
opinion,
because the songs are a lot more focused, the musicianship is tighter,
the
moods are more dramatic, and they're not dragging out the same
music/style
over and over again (i.e. they're not writing songs that aim to sound
like
Pull Me Under, or Lie). This is the problem that bands like Yngwie's
suffer
from... they keep pumping out the same album, over and over and over...
That shows no (Dare I say it?) progress... not even regression, which
would
be cool for a band like theirs. But I seriously doubt that a person with
a
"mind" like yours could comprehend or accept what I have to say about
this
matter, because you're so belligerent and intent on letting us know=20
that
we're all inferior.
</italic>This wasn't addressed to me, but it seemed such a complete
contradiction to my own perception of the album that I had to respond.=20
When I say complete contradiction, I mean that I feel the EXACT opposite
of everything stated in the above paragraph. Funny coincidence, but I
was discussing FII by private email with a friend of mine, and I
mentioned that DT were starting to remind me of Yngwie- a lot of talent
going to waste writing songs which were only worth hearing for the solos.
That same friend and I were listening to RealAudio clips about a week
ago, and I mentioned how same old/same old one song sounded, but on a
positive note mentioned that at least there wasn't any wah-wah soloing.=20
Next thing you know, Bingo!, wah-wah solo. Also, I DO feel that they're
dragging out the same music/style over and over again, I hardly think the
moods are more dramatic on the new album, and your first two comments on
tighter musicianship and more focused songs don't mean jack shit if the
songs aren't well written in the first place. Night Ranger play pretty
tight too, that doesn't make them progressive. Nearly every riff on the
new album reminded me of something I've heard before, and whether or not
I heard it on an album from Dream Theater or someone else hardly makes a
difference. What's more, I think Burning My Soul is highly reminiscent
of Pull Me Under! Also, the bridge in You Not Me (That's alright/I'm
Okay...) is absolutely pathetic in terms of both it's lyrics and
simplistic nursery rhyme cadence. I was, however, surprised to go to
work today (Hasting's) and find FII in the playbin, as it's usually
company policy not to play metal. I don't suppose we broke too many
rules though- many of FII's tracks aren't any heavier than the new
Genesis album. =20
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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 19:03:14 +0200
From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: You Not Me
Message-ID: <01BCCAAF.6874BDA0@Defiant.startrek.GlobalXS.nl>
I think a lot of people still kinda miss the point, when it comes to
"You Not Me". It's there for one simple reason: To attract new fans.
If you blame Dream Theater from actually trying to make some money &
expand their fanbase at the same time, fuck you ! :-) Like someone
already mentioned, you don't bring in someone like Desmond Child for
fun... Also, there's no reason to bitch about Desmond's work on "You
Not Me". If his biggest priority is writing hit singles, then he has
certainly succeeded quite a few times... He is just as brilliant for
accomplishing that goal as Dream Theater is for writing all of their
songs. And using him for one song does not mean they're selling out.
It simply means they might start selling. nothing more nothing less.
Also, the songs people are complaining about the *most*, are usually
amongst the songs that get the most response at concerts. That's how
things often go with Fish and Marillion for me. I can't wait to hear
"You Not Me" live. :-)
Oh yeah, to those who keep bitching about "Falling Into Infinity"...
" J u s t c l o s e y o u r m o u t h , y o u c a n f i n d
a l l y o u n e e d w i t h y o u r e a r s "
Guess I'm just one of those lucky Ytsejammers, who fell in love with
Dream theater's music in '89 and has loved everything they did, ever
since. :-) (No, not simply because it's Dream Theater)
Mark
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