YTSEJAM Digest 3026
Today's Topics:
1) Oh my lord, Bernd speaks!
by "Syrinx" <syrinx@mindspring.com>
2)
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
3) Guitar settings
by Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
4) reverse psychology
by "Partha S. Mukhopadhyay" <pmukhop@med.wayne.edu>
5) APSOG and FII
by Brandon Elhai <belhai@drew.edu>
6) Myung's Chapman stick and FII ramblings, cont.
by Jonathan Case <jcase@ROSSBY.METR.ou.edu>
7) Puppies on Acid and Status Seeker
by Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
8) sorry, I forgot some comments.
by Jonathan Case <jcase@ROSSBY.METR.ou.edu>
9) New cd
by Hard Rock <cdh191@merle.acns.nwu.edu>
10) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3025
by not my business <slowhand@wam.umd.edu>
11) Kevin Shirley is on the JAM?!?!?!?!
by JB <beamup@vt.edu>
12) Possibilities
by Lobsterback <hender@wam.umd.edu>
13) Postal delivery express :)
by Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
14) Re: APSOG and FII
by Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
15) ATTN: Steven Thum & Jose Lucas Perroni
by Melissa Bahr <emerald@goodnet.com>
16) BMS and stuff...
by Shane Liebling <jusenkyo@uclink4.berkeley.edu>
17) No, no, NO!!!!!!!
by Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 13:39:38 -0400
From: "Syrinx" <syrinx@mindspring.com>
To: "A Ytse Besides Itself" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Oh my lord, Bernd speaks!
Message-ID: <199709261744.NAA18367@camel14.mindspring.com>
..and just when you thought Bernd was dead...
-----Original Message-----
]From: Bernd Basmer <basmer@med-rz.uni-sb.de>
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.progressive
Date: Friday, September 26, 1997 5:26 AM
Subject: Dream Theater
Hi!
I just wanted to say, that I can't understand the problems that people
have with the new Dream Theater. I bought it yesterday and still
cannot believe it. It's such a great music on there. It's got it all.
It's got groove, feeling, kick, all you want. I love it.
Bye
Bernd
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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 13:55:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970926134922.24019N-100000@bdmserver>
Da D-man wrote:
>So, in Burning My Soul, that last verse there (especially lines like
>"just to stay on my good side"), does anyone else think that James
>sounds an awful lot like Dave Mustaine?
I think musically the beginning of BMS sounds like something Megadeth
woud do.
>All you BU types, go volunteer for the football team this weekend, and
>travel down here for the game and visit me. (Unless you don't want to
>see your team lose. :)
William and Mary has a football team?
Go Dayton Flyers (ranked #1, non-scholarship I-AA that is...)!!!!!!!!!
Al B wrote:
> Anywa, FII is growing on me faster than Awake did....well
> except for SpaceDyeVest, which immediately kicked my ass. I knew I
> shouldn't have posted that review a while back....and I'm
> sure that everyone else who has posted bad thing will do
> the same in a few months....
Exactly, people should listen to FII a few times before saying "It sucks"
and then selling the cd to the used cd shop.
Right now I think FII has the edge on cd of the year over APSOG...
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| Pat Daugherty pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com |
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| New Dream Theater-September 23, 1997 *** Washington Redskins 2-1 |
| Congrats to the American League East Champion Baltimore Orioles!! |
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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 14:15:09 -0400
From: Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Guitar settings
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970926141509.0108c2a0@sol.eng.fore.com>
> About the production, i love it.. the only gripe i have with it is
>that they couldve used like 1/2 a notch of low end, and like 1 notch of
>treble (this is on very lay man terms because i dont know anytying about
>producion) Also being a guitarrist i find JP's new distortion sound to
>have like..to much "midrange" but thats just my way of liking it.. I
>always have my amp set to bass: 8 , mid: 1or 2 and high 7... kinda like
>James Hetfield once had taped the midrange eq down to 0... So thats a
>matter of personal opinion..
I used to set my low-mid-high like this too, when I was playing by myself
on my Crate G-60. It sounded awesome then, but once I got in a band with a
bassist, I realized that mids were the way to go. The George Lynch sound
is very high on the midrange. I personally love the more midrange tones on
FII, as in Peruvian Skies. However, on some songs like NM and YNM, I can't
stand the guitar tone. It's just too low and muddy. That's just my
opinion though.
KAI
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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 14:44:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Partha S. Mukhopadhyay" <pmukhop@med.wayne.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: reverse psychology
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.970926143813.17159D-100000@moose>
new tactic in the war on the airwaves......
ok, so you called all day to get BMS played, and mother of dog, it finally
got played......
call right after it finishes, and ask whoever answers "who made
that song! it was awesome" or other similar "yeah, i'm 14 years old, and
the radio decides what i listen to" type comments......that way, you
don't even have to beg for DT to be played, and the DJ might get the
impression that that song is making an impression......
haven't tried it, myself, radio reception sucks in my apartment....can't
hear nothing but R'n'B and country (altho i get npr just fine, which is
cool)
but if anyone tries it, I'd love to know if at all successful......
About the below......yeah, D, I do....i think i said that last month :)
> From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
> Subject: James LaMusatine? / BU folks, pay attention
> So, in Burning My Soul, that last verse there (especially lines like
> "just to stay on my good side"), does anyone else think that James
> sounds an awful lot like Dave Mustaine?
partha
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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 14:38:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brandon Elhai <belhai@drew.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: APSOG and FII
Message-ID: <Pine.PMDF.3.95.970926143627.606168847A-100000@drew.edu>
On Fri, 26 Sep 1997, Pat Daugherty wrote:
> Right now I think FII has the edge on cd of the year over APSOG...
I was thinking about this too and my conclusion so far (which will
probably change after hearing FII many more times) is that APSOG is the
better album as a whole while the individual songs on FII are better than
the ones on APSOG.
Brandon
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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 13:51:27 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jonathan Case <jcase@ROSSBY.METR.ou.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Myung's Chapman stick and FII ramblings, cont.
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.90.970926133430.11204B-100000@rossby>
Hi all!
I'm continuing to listen constantly to FII. You know it's a good CD when
that's the only disk you want to listen to!
Anyway, I would also like to know what the heck a Chapman Stick is and
how to recognize those parts when he plays it on the CD. Thanks!! I'm
sure there's other naive people like me who would like to know this, so
go ahead and post it on the jam if someone knows.....
Now, some things about this great CD:
1) I think that 16 minutes of any one day can be best spent by listening
to Hell's Kitchen and Lines in the Sand back to back. As far as I'm
concerned, these two 2 songs act as one, sort of like a mind beside
itself. So, HK is the instrumental intro into LITS, making a single
awesome 16:21 song. I realize that HK used to be part of BMS, but I
think this setup is better....
2) I LOVE Derek Sherinian's playing. I thought I'd miss Moore, but I
think Derek adds some nice jazz touches to the music. Espcially Lines in
the Sand, when he kicks with Portnoy! What a totally COOL effect,
similar to ACoS.
3) Some other artists I hear in FII include: (among the usual)
Steve Morse in a few different songs and Robert Palmer in Hollow Years.
I think another thing about this CD that we're not used to is the
extensive use of harmonies and accompanying vocals. It sounds like the
rest of the band can sing very well also. I wonder if anyone know's of
any way to distinguish who sings what on the accompanying parts (besides
the obvious Doug of King's X)?
Bye for now and enjoy the CD. What a change of pace, yet still incredible!
FII just PROVES that DT can play anything and still is the best band out
on the scene today!!!!!!!!
Jon C.
jcase@rossby.ou.edu
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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 14:54:42 -0400
From: Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Puppies on Acid and Status Seeker
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970926145442.009c82d0@sol.eng.fore.com>
Jeff wrote:
> The album has more than
>satisfied _me_, of all people, the same person who can't stand the James
>Joyce samples (except for "6:00"), the one who doesn't (always) agree with
>"balls and chunk is where it's at", the one who likes "Innocence Faded"
>better than "Scarred" and the original intro to "Status Seeker" better than
>the "Puppies On Acid" section of "The Mirror."
> The album's unlikeliest supporter is ecstatic over it.
Puppies on Acid wasn't the intro to Status Seeker, it was used as the intro
to TTT. The intro they used for Status Seeker has gone on to become known
as "Get Funky" due to Bahr's WDATU, although it really wasn't a new part.
Rather, they omitted the old intro from the studio version, and just
lengthened the second part, spicing it up a bit. It kind of bothers me
that someone named that part, erroneously thinking it was a new groove.
KAI
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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 13:57:36 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jonathan Case <jcase@ROSSBY.METR.ou.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: sorry, I forgot some comments.
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.90.970926135350.11965A-100000@rossby>
-In addition to Steve Morse and Robert Palmer, I also hear some Deep
Purple, especially with Derek's keys settings.
-Further, the instrumental part leading into the bridge (after key solo)
on BMS sounds familiar to Caught in a Web
Also, "To stay on your good side" in BMS does sound very reminiscent of Dave
Mustaine of Megadeth.
Also, what BITCHIN' keyboard solos, especially in Trial of Tears!!!!
-Jon
jcase@rossby.ou.edu
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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 13:58:11 -0500 (CDT)
From: Hard Rock <cdh191@merle.acns.nwu.edu>
To: The Perfect Strangers <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: New cd
Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.93.970926135659.14510A-100000@merle.acns.nwu.edu>
Hey dt lovers...
I hate to sound like a loser but I just got back to school, and over the
summer break I have not heard anything about the new album. Is it out
yet? Please answer me privately. Thanks a lot.
Take it easy,
"To be is to do" - Plato
Charlie Harrison "To do is to be" - Aristotle
"Hard Rock" (NYC) "Doo bee doo bee doo" - Sinatra
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out of my range." \ \ audience; it's like having another
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-PATRICK EWING, NY KNICKS -JOHN COLTRANE
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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 15:01:24 -0400 (EDT)
From: not my business <slowhand@wam.umd.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3025
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95q.970926150111.26542A-100000@rac4.wam.umd.edu>
could someone help me unsubscribe fromthis list?
thanks
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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 15:07:59 -0400
From: JB <beamup@vt.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Kevin Shirley is on the JAM?!?!?!?!
Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19970926150759.007bda00@mail.vt.edu>
> I take it personally when people bash the production on this CD. A
>big Fuck You to all of you.
SHIT!!!! I didn't realize that Kevin Shirley HIMSELF was a subscriber!!!!!
How the hell can you take something like this personally? You didn't have
jack shit to do with the production... stop taking credit for it, you
didn't contribute.
>But don't clutter the jam with stupid comments like "it's not prog enough"
(have you heard the CD?), or "it's grungy" (HAVE YOU HEARD THE CD?????), etc
uhhh... you're once again contradicting yourself... don't post stupid
replies like "HAVE YOU HEARD THE CD???" obviously they have or they
wouldn't be commenting on it...
I agree with you in this respect... don't post one line pieces of crap like
"it's not prog enough" without backing up why you think this... I think
it's plenty prog (and have posted my reasons in the past)... but I (UNLIKE
MANY PEOPLE ON THIS LIST, it seems), am open to different
interpretations... whoever said earlier that "opinions are like assholes...
everyone has one", was pretty right on...
In general, many people here need to stop being so closed minded... let
people disagree with you, then voice your opinions, but BACK THEM UP, or no
one will take you seriously. People aren't stupid or "dumbasses" just for
having a different interpretation of something.
"Be excellent to each other... and... party on dudes!!!"
-Abe Lincoln (Bill&Ted's)
Later,
Jason
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(540) 961-7262 & VT a cappella
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CD currently playing, "Dream Theater - Falling Into Infinity" (releases 9/23)
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Using your words
Controlling my life "Burning my Soul"
Can't you see it's my words -Dream Theater
That give you your life?
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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 15:08:34 -0400
From: Lobsterback <hender@wam.umd.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Possibilities
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19970926150834.006c9c70@pop.wam.umd.edu>
>Could someone please tell me where exactly JM is using the Stick on FII
>(which songs and when in the song)? Also, does anyone know which Stick
>he is using (Bass, 10-string, 12-string)??
These sort of questions pop up often. Sticks, 7-strings, vibraslaps,
anything "atypical". Is there a possibility of this ever becomming a
section in the FAQ?
Hey, I'm just brimming with helpful hints. Hand me some meat tenderizer
and call me Martha Stewart...
Brian Henderson
hender@wam.umd.edu
"Ladies and gentlemen, we have a naive soul who doesn't know what a
six-pack is." -- Prof. Boyd
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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 19:15:59 +0000
From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Postal delivery express :)
Message-ID: <342C09EF.52BF@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
Paul:
> First post in a while; I've been skimming Jams when possible. HI
> THERE to
> the usual crowd of troublemakers from IRC
Hey Paul!!!! :)
hehehehe, everybody's gotta be good at something, right? :)
Buster:
> maybe it was not the bands intention to rocket listeners out of their
> seats with this recording, but rather to use their music as a way to
> let The Voice Inside speak out.
And whadya know, they did both to me!!!
-- *------------*----------------------------*--------------* | Jon Parmet | jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov | 617-494-2851 | *------------*----------------------------*--------------*"Drifting with the current This stream of life flows on" -- John Myung
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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 15:18:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: APSOG and FII Message-ID: <199709261918.PAA27352@njmsa.UMDNJ.EDU>
> > > On Fri, 26 Sep 1997, Pat Daugherty wrote: > > > Right now I think FII has the edge on cd of the year over APSOG... > > I was thinking about this too and my conclusion so far (which will > probably change after hearing FII many more times) is that APSOG is the > better album as a whole while the individual songs on FII are better than > the ones on APSOG. > > > Brandon > >
I tend to agree with this as well.....FII doesn't seem to flow as well as APSoG (duh, that's cuz it's one song), but it doesn't flow as well (for now) as I&W FOR ME, and definitely not like Awake does either........not a criticism, just an observation...
-Al
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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 12:37:31 -0700 (MST) From: Melissa Bahr <emerald@goodnet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: ATTN: Steven Thum & Jose Lucas Perroni Message-ID: <199709261937.MAA27641@goodnet.com>
I received two orders; one from Syeven Thum and one from Jose Lucas Perroni and I have no idea what they are for. If you two could please email me at:emerald@goodnet.com and let me know what you order within the last week and can get them into the books and sent. Thanks!
-Melissa Bahr-emerald@_goodnet.com-http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik/
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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 12:40:24 -0700 From: Shane Liebling <jusenkyo@uclink4.berkeley.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: BMS and stuff... Message-ID: <v03110703b051bf2aabe2@[169.229.75.60]>
Hey y'all I just wanted to put in a quick comment. I must look like a complete wierdo walking around campus with my headphones on when BMS comes on. I must be smiling from ear to ear. Is it just me but is the part where Mike slowly comes into the music with that PHAT beat (double bass man!) just one of the ultimate highlights of this album? All I can say is that all the guys are kicking my ass on this album, but Mike is doing it with steel toes! I don't think I am going to be able to sit down till the New Millenium (I know, bad joke, just had to get it in...) Laterz and "rock on!"
-Shane
____________________________________________________________________________ Shane Liebling R "All of us get lost in the darkness, jusenkyo@uclink4.berkeley.edu U dreamers learn to steer by the stars CAA Layman and Ytsejammer S All of us do time in the gutter, Member of a.m.m.o. since 1997 H dreamers turn to look at the cars." -------------------------------- The Sites --------------------------------- The Short Me - http://www.hotwired.com/members/profile/demolitionman/ The Long Me - http://www.earthlink.net/~mariachi Cal's RC5 Mirror Site - http://www.earthlink.net/~mariachi/rc5/ Deutsch Hall's Webpage - http://www.reshall.berkeley.edu/unit1/deutsch/ ---------------------------------- by Me -----------------------------------
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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 15:44:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: No, no, NO!!!!!!! Message-ID: <199709261944.PAA09380@umbc8.umbc.edu>
> which reminds me, where's Bafu been??????
If I know Bafu <which I don't> he has locked himself in his room with his FII and is listening to it nonstop. You can say what youwant about Bafu, but he's pretty tasteful in his musical likes and dislikes <except maybe that Chris Impelliterri stuff...>. :P
Actually, he's probably usubscribed until the traffic dies down. :)
> > I can't really pick a song off FII that I like the best. After every > > listen to the cd I have a new favorite FII song... > > > > Current FII favorite:Hollow Years (something about those vocals...) > > > > I'm tellin' y'all, it's the lack of vibrato in his voice......
It actually hurts me to hear him sing on most of this album. I listen to him sing and I can hear him suppress the NATURAL VIBRATO in his voice. Read carefully: vibrato is a characteristic of a healthy, supported tone. That is a fact. It totally burns me up to hear him sing with no vibrato on practically the whole CD. Not to mention the fact that his pitch suffers because of it. In order to sing a healthy straight-tone, you need to push SOOOOOOO much air that it's almost unbelieveable. That is the right way. The wrong way is the easier way: to put the tone in your throat. and THAT is what James is doing. This just brings us back to the whole argument of "feel" over technique. Some people are put off by technique <on ANY instrument> because they feel that the player is no longer just a person "playing from the heart" on his instrument, but that he is merely a technician hiding behind a skill, and /or a technician "showing off" which makes those who can't jealous. Now this is my opinion, but it is something in which I FIRMLY believe and a look at the bands that are the most popular right now can serve as evidence to support it.
No flamage intended, Al.
Steve Z
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