YTSEJAM Digest 3027
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Possibilities
by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
2) RE: The blind guys speaks about FII
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
3) FII a week later
by "Andrea Fabris" <ea00628@flashnet.it>
4) FII
by Nicolas Drouin <dron01@UQAH.UQuebec.CA>
5) something different... Fates/Phish connection
by ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
6) Howdee/FII
by "Brown, Neal Patrick" <W059@ACADEMIC.TRUMAN.EDU>
7) Re: No, no, NO!!!!!!!
by Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
8) And now for something totally different, and a little DT
by "Braun, Randall (CAP, ITS, US)" <Randall.Braun@gecits.ge.com>
9) I coulda had a Mars Bar, but I bit into a Clark instead (NDTC)
by Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
10) re: Guitar settings
by <CNG@tcco.com> "Chung Ng"
11) Seven Wonders...
by "Rob Doyle" <c694232@showme.missouri.edu>
12) instructions
by 69@ass.com
13) FII-review no. 91,352,251...
by omeraron@mail.netvision.net.il
14) Re: instructions
by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
15) Re: Howdee/FII
by Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
16) Re: instructions
by Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 16:00:45 -0400
From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Possibilities
Message-ID: <199709262000.QAA08253@al.cs.wm.edu>
> These sort of questions pop up often. Sticks, 7-strings, vibraslaps,
> anything "atypical". Is there a possibility of this ever becomming a
> section in the FAQ?
This is absolutely possible. Once I figure out where JM used the stick, it's
there. Anyone that has suggestions for an entry like this, please let me know.
> Hey, I'm just brimming with helpful hints. Hand me some meat tenderizer
> and call me Martha Stewart...
I think you're sharing too much now, Brian.
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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 15:57:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
To: James Bennett <rycher@thegrid.net>
Subject: RE: The blind guys speaks about FII
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.91.970926155441.3580B-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
James. I was just observing. I tseems that there is a trend in
progressive rock circles. Band X does something, builds a fan base. Band
X changes something, and segment Y of fan base spits on the band. Yes is
the most dramatic, but look at others. Rush has been accused of selling
out. Genesis fans blame Phil Collins for the band's lack of
progressiveness. Van Halen fans are bitterly divided between David Lee
Roth and Sammy Hagar, to the point where I had to get out of the
newsgroup because it made me sick. Is their mailing list better? Even
Pink Floyd fans argue over whether or not Roger Waters is God or not and
whether or not Post Roger Water Pink Floyd is real pink floyd. Yes? Let's
not even begin. Trevor Raben is satan for all everyone knows in there.
And now, it's happening in the Ytsejam and dream Theater circles. FII is
a sellout? That depends on you. I love reading constructive opinions, but
this mailing list is starting to sound like alt.music.van-halen. I never
thought I'd see the day.
Reach Damon Fibraio at damon@shell.monmouth.com
keyboardist, vocalist, radio personality
Deviant of Reality
All of us get lost in the darkness, dreamers learn to steer by the stars
All of us do time in the gutter, dreamers turn to look at the cars.
Neil Peart of Rush
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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 22:08:30 +0200
From: "Andrea Fabris" <ea00628@flashnet.it>
To: "Dream Theater ml" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: FII a week later
Message-ID: <199709262011.WAA28196@star.flashnet.it>
Sorry guys (n gals) but after a week, all my doubts about FII remain.
As I said FII contains songs (NM, PS, HK, LitS and ToT) that r masterpieces
and that r far far better than the best song in Awake but....
As an italian dreamer said "I don't understand why songs like Hollow Years
and Lines in the Sand have to be in the same cd" (or something like this).
I noticed that a new game started in the list: "this song of FII sounds
like...."
And this is the problem: I don't want DT to sound like other, I want DT to
sound like DT.
And this means DT *have to* sound original.
Now, the three ballads are *really* easy to listen to: in fact the "game"
involves mostlly "Hollow Years", "Take Away My Pain" and "Anna Lee".
"You not Me" and "Burning my Soul" have a good base but silly chorus.
"Let Me Breath"... I've to get in it: I don't think it's a bad song but it
doesn't give me the creeps.
Time ago someone said that it would not be so important the length of the
new cd.
Now, IMHO it would be better a 50-60 minutes lp than this ~80 minutes mix of
"crap" (but better than the best part of the music being actually published)
and materpieces.
Qapla'
Andrea Fabris
e-mail: ea00628@flashnet.it
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"... lo spazio si comporta come il tempo ed il tempo come lo spazio.Lo
spazio scorre, mentre il tempo e' chiuso cioe' ciclico. Fenomeni passati,
dunque, si ripresentano in continuazione.."
-"Cherudek" di Valerio Evangelisti
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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 16:23:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: Nicolas Drouin <dron01@UQAH.UQuebec.CA>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: FII
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970926161651.17926A-100000@saturne>
FII is growing on me, my favorites are NM,HK,TOT,LITS. The others are
good too! Cant wait for Metropolis 2 since it'lbe in the likes of A change
of seasons (A long prog masterpiece!). FII is more commercial oriented
but met2 shall be for us, the time signature freaks!
Now listening to FII & now anxiously waiting for Keys to Ascension 2 by YES
Nick
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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 14:02:24 -0400
From: ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: something different... Fates/Phish connection
Message-ID: <19970926085909.AAA26769@sni.pananet.com>
Now I'm not a great Phish authority, so I'm just guessing here. But I just
got Rift, which, if I understand correctly, is a concept album (or
something similiar), and it reminds me of APSOG. Not the music of course,
it's totally different. But it seems more less to be about the same thing.
I guy lying in bed thinking about his relationship. Of course, Phish
lyrics are quite trippy and hard to figure out, like "I'd like to cut your
head off so I can weigh it, whaddaya say? 5 pounds? 6 pounds? 7 pounds?" :)
But the first song starts "Last night in the moments my thoughts were
adrift, and coasting a terrace approaching a rift"
and there's a 'theme' that's repeated twice on the CD that goes:
"When your there, I sleep lenghtwise, and when your gone, I sleep diagonal
in my bed"
That sung under the sound of a clock ticking and breathing (as in someone
lying in bed not being able to sleep)
Any Phish heads on the list that can verify this?
Ernesto
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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 15:28:31 CDT
From: "Brown, Neal Patrick" <W059@ACADEMIC.TRUMAN.EDU>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Howdee/FII
Message-ID: <26SEP97.16713415.0160.MUSIC@ACADEMIC.TRUMAN.EDU>
Hey there...I've been a DT fan since I&W came out (I heard the 4-minute
version of "Pull Me Under" and was freaked out when it was twice that
long on the tape =) ) but I just subscribed to Ytsejam last night, and I
already have three digests (!). I've been on the King Crimson list for a
while and ET sends out a digest every couple days....jeez...just had to
get that outta the way. (P.S. Crimson is still *the* prog band, and I
think a whole bunch of you would really love their 73-74 output. And
Tony Levin will be doing an album with Portnoy and Petrucci, which I am
going to line up in front of the store three hours before it opens to
buy!)
Anyway, I got FII three days ago and I think I've listened to it ten
times already. I'll admit that I hoping for something like Seasons...an
updated, crunchier, even more complicated version of I&W, although I
figured it would resemble Awake more. Which it does. The album seems to
be "organized" into the cerebral I&W-type songs surrounding the poppier
Awake-like songs. New Millenium, Lines In The Sand, and Trial of Tears
are att the beginning, middle and end. These three tracks are
incredible. The New Millenium theme sounds a bit like the theme to
Crimson's "Neal And Jack And Me," but it develops much differently. Line
s in the Sand is terrific--great intro--but the call-and-answer refrains
don't seem to fit, although it does sound good by itself (if LaBrie and
Pinnick were singing in unison, like with the fourth line, I think it
would sound even better). Lines is the only place I'm sure that Myung is
on the Stick--listen at about 10:00. when that very quiet theme returns
after the solos. There are some *really* weird sounds going on there,
and I think Myung is making them, but they sure don't sound like a
regular bass. Speaking of Myung, I think that he is batting 1.000 with
lyrics....Learning To Live, Lifting Shadows, and Trial are all awesome;
just wish he could contribute more! Burning My Soul/Hell's Kitchen and
Just Let Me Breathe are definitely great (I love those runs in the
middle and end of JLMB--wowie!!). But with You Not Me, Hollow Years, and
Take Away My Pain, I think the band is exploring a style better left to
others. (Peruvian Skies I still haven't made up my mind on yet. What on
earth is that song about anyway?) Not that these are bad tracks, they
just do not compete with the others on FII, to my ear.
Notes on sound/production: LaBrie is singing with a straight tone almost
the entire album--what's up with that? I happen to love the vibrato, but
I guess he wants to sound less like Geoff Tate and more like Geddy Lee
or, as someone mentioned last issue, Dave Mustaine (!). I really like
the added vocal harmonies, but I miss the vibrato. I really don't like
Portnoy's snare...maybe it'll grow on me, but it bothers me. Also, I'm
not too keen on his hihats--he leaves them open for too much of the
album. Myung and Derek sound awesome, however--I think I like Derek
better than Kevin, because he's more in-your-face about it, and he
doesn't double Petrucci ad nauseum.
Sorry this is such a long post, but I'm wrapping up (promise!). Overall,
I really like this album as a whole, although I don't think I'll ever
get used to Hollow Years and Take Away My Pain (they do not resemble the
band's other ballads--not even Another Day!--to my ears). Some of these
tracks are among DT's best--the very contrapuntal New Millenium comes
readily to mind. I'm not the type who likes to tell bands what to do--if
a band puts out an album that doesn't sound like what they did before I
don't throw it out the window without giving it a fair chance or two
(Metallica's last two albums notwithstanding ;) ). But I digress
(often)...anyway, I hope the fifth album isn't a rehash of I&W just to
keep the fans happy, but rather a new direction--the band has been
moving towards alt-rock/grunge with Awake and now FII, away from the
very abstract metal towards a very concrete style. I hope this new direc
tion is more in the abstract and less in the concrete, although I think
these guys can pull damn near anything off!
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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 16:38:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: No, no, NO!!!!!!!
Message-ID: <199709262038.QAA05446@njmsa.UMDNJ.EDU>
>
> > > I can't really pick a song off FII that I like the best. After every
> > > listen to the cd I have a new favorite FII song...
> > >
> > > Current FII favorite:Hollow Years (something about those vocals...)
> > >
> >
> > I'm tellin' y'all, it's the lack of vibrato in his voice......
>
> It actually hurts me to hear him sing on most of this album. I
> listen to him sing and I can hear him suppress the NATURAL VIBRATO in his
> voice. Read carefully: vibrato is a characteristic of a healthy,
You motherfucker shirtlifter poofter! I'll flatten you like a
fuckin' pancake, beeeee-yotch! You suck shit and tweak sweaty
nipples! How DARE you refute anythingthat *I* say....do you
not know who I am! ooh, I am *SO* angry right now that I feel
like taking the jar of KevMo's testicles and throwing it against
my DT shrine! AAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRghhghhh......!
>
> No flamage intended, Al.
ohh......ummm.......*blush*.........sorry bout that..... :P
>
> Steve Z
>
Actually, I agree to an extent to what Steve has to say. I think
it sucks that an artist is somewhat "persuaded" to sway from
their natural talents and tendencies. It bothers me to hear
what you say about his use of improper technique as well to get
that lack of vibrato. Nevertheless, I think that this lack of
vibrato (looking at the big picture and putting the above facts
in the back of your head) improves the feel of the song. I
personally think that this lack of vibrato brings an added
positive dimension to the song, that wouldn't be there if the
vibrato was...........
That's speaking as a listener, rather than a singer, which I
know you are....Speaking as a singer (or a pseudo-singer), I
agree with your points. I just disagree to its effect in the
overall feel of the song......hell, we all have opinions.....
it's jsut that mine are better than everyone else's...... :P
TGIF,
Al
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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 15:17:50 -0500 From: "Braun, Randall (CAP, ITS, US)" <Randall.Braun@gecits.ge.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: And now for something totally different, and a little DT Message-ID: <199709262048.NAA00353@odin.ax.com>
An initial observation on FII: While I agree that this forum is not an appropriate place to discuss religious issues apart from the music, it'd be hard NOT to mention the strong references to Christian symbolism on FII. This is especially 'Lines in the Sand', emphasized by King's X guest vocalist Doug Pinnick. a band with it's own Christian origins. DP's appearance further solidifies the somewhat curious (to me at least) link between DT & bands like KX and the Galactic Cowboys (which I listen to as well).
I recently purchased Angra's 'Angel's Cry' (already have 'Holy Land'). I found it rather interesting that the middle instrumental section of the title song is another of the many 'variations' on the 24th variation of Paganini's 24 violin caprices, opus 1. For those Y'Jammers with a classical music background, this is the theme of Rachmaninoff's well-known 'Rhapsody on a Theme of Paganini', opus 43 and the 'rather difficult to play' Paganini variations, opus 35, for piano by Brahms. On a more prog level, in the 1970's, Andrew Lloyd Webber formulated his own 'Variations' on this theme for cello (Julian Lloyd Webber) and rock band (which included guitarist extraordinaire Gary Moore and early prog keyboard wizard Rod Argent.
The Marv Albert prog connection: Yes, the now infamous back-biting (ex)-sports commentator made a guest appearance as a--sport's commentator--on Roger Water's 'Amused to Death' (which features some very good guitar work by Jeff Beck). Incidentally, on ATD, RW throws a few good lyrical pommels at the (theatrical) productions of the aforementioned Andrew Lloyd Webber.
-Randall email: Randall.Braun@gecits.ge.com **"Falling Into Infinity, and Maybe Beyond: Black Holes and Time Travel. (Is There a Past in Your Future? If not yesterday, then perhaps tomorrow...)"**
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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 16:48:27 -0400 From: Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: I coulda had a Mars Bar, but I bit into a Clark instead (NDTC) Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970926204827.006a98c4@pop.pipeline.com>
Clark griped: >I don't usually post stuff like that, but at least it got a response. >I tried to post some intelligent comments a few weeks ago, but no one cared. >Throw a few "you fucking idiots" into a post, and people read it. Am I proud >of that? No. Does that really justify writing what I did? Maybe, maybe not.
Uh...does anyone see this guy coming to work on Halloween dressed as a disgruntled potal worker, complete with Ak-47? "YOU NEVER LISTENED TO ME BEFORE, BUT NOW, MOTHERFUCKERS, YOU *WILL*!!!!"
Hey, as Black Sabbath once sang, it's all right.
CD of the Day: Iced Earth - Days of Purgatory (disc 1)
Green Bay Packers - The Quest to Repeat 3-1 This Week: at Detroit
Kevin
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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 97 16:49:07 EDT From: <CNG@tcco.com> "Chung Ng" To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: re: Guitar settings Message-ID: <vines.3hH8+9w,9oA@tcx.tcco.com>
>low 8 , mid: 1or 2 and high 7... kinda like >James Hetfield
I love that sound. When i practice in my garage (no effects), I keep my low and high on 9.5 and the mid on 0 (and reverb on 7). Have any of you tried any of those "thrash" or "metal" effects pedals?
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Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 16:04:21 -0500 From: "Rob Doyle" <c694232@showme.missouri.edu> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Seven Wonders... Message-ID: <199709262105.QAA77502@sp2n09.missouri.edu>
Ok folks... I know that for some reason, not everyone on this list has gotten SEVEN WONDERS, and I realize that some people have a bunch of the Mike Bahr Cds, but this thing is a MUST!! It sounds great! Since they're bootlegs, obviously it's not studio-quality all the time- but this is the best thing I've bought since.. well... since Falling Into Infinity-
and no, I'm not trying to plug this for Ryan's sake or anything, I'm saying that EVERY DT FAN SHOULD HAVE THIS!!
ok, that's enough.. . but I think we should all thank Mike and Ryan for putting these together- and by the way, Ryan- excellent job on the liners- I was mucho impressed ;)
if you guys want to order the last few cds from Ryan, his email is:
David-Whitaker@worldnett.att.net
visit the web page to check out stuff about the CD- www.geocities.com/soho/2236
(sorry to Ryan if you didn't want me posting your email)
_Rob Doyle
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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 16:03:06 -0500 From: 69@ass.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: instructions Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970926210306.008e91f8@ass.com>
Instructions for awl yawl that dis the record: 1. BREAK THE CD INTO 4 PARTS 2. GRASP THEM FIRMLY WITH YOUR RIGHT HAND 3. JAM IT HARD UP YOUR ASS WHOLE
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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 97 23:11:13 PDT From: omeraron@mail.netvision.net.il To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: FII-review no. 91,352,251... Message-ID: <Chameleon.970926233434.omeraron@>
ok,fellow ytsejamers, this is another review of FII,as you suspected...
well... in the general idea,the album is pretty good,and i can say that i like it without regreting it later... BUT!(here it comes) i think that DT has changed too damn much,and some songs HAVE to be removed from the DT song list,like take away my pain,anna lee & of course you not me! i see here a BIG,HUGH AND UN-NOTICE-UBLE SELL OUT in these three titles,and if someone wanna argue with me on this one,better read the Kevin James LaBrie interview that goes like:"we wanna sell as many albums as we can,blah blah blah...." but this is not only a bad review of the album,i think that a new millennium is a great song,a DT original,great keyboard work by derek,lines in the sands GREAT song! i love the main riff like hell! and great solo by JP!!!! the member i was imprresed by was john myung,he realy stunt me!!! i thought that he just play what he's being told to play by kevin and JP,but the man has hugh feel and a great control on the fretless bass guitar!!
i am sure that this album will sell alot LESS than the other albums,this is the LOAD case ALL OVER AGAIN !!!! i like the album,but not as a dream theater album,as something else... you know why?? LISTEN AND LISTEN GOOD: DREAM THEATER WITHOUT KEVIN MOORE ISN'T DREAM THEATER!!!!
argue if you want becuase I'M right.... the truth hurts,doesn't it?
omer-ISRAEL
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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 17:52:47 -0400 From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: instructions Message-ID: <199709262152.RAA09108@al.cs.wm.edu>
> Instructions for awl yawl that dis the record: > > 1. BREAK THE CD INTO 4 PARTS > 2. GRASP THEM FIRMLY WITH YOUR RIGHT HAND > 3. JAM IT HARD UP YOUR ASS WHOLE
But if it's already broken into parts, how can one jam it whole? Oh, I'm so confused...
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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 18:03:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Howdee/FII Message-ID: <199709262203.SAA26542@njmsa.UMDNJ.EDU>
Neil the Newbie wrote: > > > Hey there...I've been a DT fan since I&W came out (I heard the 4-minute > version of "Pull Me Under" and was freaked out when it was twice that > long on the tape =) ) but I just subscribed to Ytsejam last night, and I
<snip>
This may be the epitome of what an FII review should look like..... informative, not blatant "this sucks" stuff.......man, you've definitely been here only a day...........
Ytsejam will assimilate you.....resistance is futile.....
(I hate Star Trek by the way)
-Al
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I inhale the sun...........I exhale the absence of light I am the number One..........burning.
^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^ email: balkiewi@njmsa.umdnj.edu the_prof@bigfoot.com HOMEPAGE:http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/9280/index.html
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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 18:06:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: instructions Message-ID: <199709262206.SAA27082@njmsa.UMDNJ.EDU>
> > > > Instructions for awl yawl that dis the record: > > > > 1. BREAK THE CD INTO 4 PARTS > > 2. GRASP THEM FIRMLY WITH YOUR RIGHT HAND > > 3. JAM IT HARD UP YOUR ASS WHOLE > > But if it's already broken into parts, how can one jam it whole? Oh, I'm so > confused... > >
D-man just lives for imposters.......... :P
- Al
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