YTSEJAM Digest 3040
Today's Topics:
1) DT's special characteristic
by Isaac Sabetai <isabetai@bu.edu>
2) YtseCon IV
by charone@arastar.com (Charone Frankel)
3) My turn to be a grammar nazi (boy, i'm bored)
by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
4) Thanks
by sl080890@mailhost.sju.edu (Stephen LaMonica)
5) Christopher R. Merlo
by sl080890@mailhost.sju.edu (Stephen LaMonica)
6) Re: Christopher R. Merlo
by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
7) Re: Christopher R. Merlo
by "Michael G. Jones" <mgjones@Mcs.Net>
8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3039
by "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
9) Intriguing indeed! FII a Concept album.
by durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
10) That word...
by "Neil Gallop" <nga@software-ag.de>
11) Re: That word...
by Eckie <eckie@asu.edu>
12) Mike Bahr Original CDs and other DT items
by ed@ebytes.com (Ebytes)
13) Re: Petrucci in Guitar World????
by wjwomack@tddeng00.fnts.com (Wade J. Womack)
14) FII on the charts
by Mika Numminen <aarre.n@swipnet.se>
15) Re: Quick Questions
by "Miguel Farah F." <miguel@webhost.cl>
16) TNT plays TNM and YNM at beginning of Sunday Night Football!!!
by "Jeremy C. Hallum" <jhallum@bu-ast.bu.edu>
17) Hail to Finland! Chart news on FII.
by Antti Nyrhinen <nyrhinen@leandra.ebs.ee>
18) Re: Quick Questions
by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 00:14:44 -0400
From: Isaac Sabetai <isabetai@bu.edu>
To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: DT's special characteristic
Message-ID: <34307CB4.311BF551@bu.edu>
> the special characteristic that involved the light rock,heavy metal
> and even the touch of the son of jazz:fusion!
> i know that alot of you guys say things like: the more you hear
> it,the more you like it, or that you only have to get use to it-
> but i don't wanna "get use" to it!
> i don't wanna go backwards in my music style!!
>
The characteristic I like most about DT is their versatility. How many
other bands can make Only a Matter of Time, Metropolis Pt. 1, Wait For
Sleep, Another Day, The Mirror/Lie, The Silent Man, Space Dye Vest, A
Change of Seasons, You Not Me, Hollow Years, Anna Lee, Take Away My Pain
and Lines in the Sand over the course of five albums? DT may have cut
downon the crazy instrumental sections and wild solos but those did not
make them unique. Many other bands can *play* as well as DT, but not
many can *write* a powerful song like DT.
Isaac- who is going for MFP
-- "It sounds diminished ... but it's not"- John Petrucci------------------------------
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 21:22:27 -0700 From: charone@arastar.com (Charone Frankel) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: YtseCon IV Message-ID: <9709290422.AA04998@anthor.arastar.com>
This is just a quick poll to find out who would be in favor of a YtseCon in California. Since nobody else wants to plan one, I wouldn't mind doing it if I thought people would show up.
If any of you are interested, please email me privately at charone@arastar.com
I figure even if none of the east coast jammers could make it, there have got to be enough west coasters lurking out there, right? I think it should be fun.
Later dudes,
-Charone
P.S. Ignore the sig...I am not the manager of this list
-- Charone S. Frankel <charone@arastar.com> List Administrator
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Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 00:37:54 -0400 From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: My turn to be a grammar nazi (boy, i'm bored) Message-ID: <199709290437.AAA15996@daffy.cs.wm.edu>
> > BURNING MY SOUL > > - "and you ask me why my HAIRS (should be HAIR'S) gray." > > > Absolutely unforgivable if you ask me. > One correction though - HAIRS nor HAIR'S is correct in this > sentence." Hair Is" would be right. HAIR'S is a posessive as in > "My HAIR's oder is quite fragrant" > HAIRS is just plural of HAIR.
Um, to be totally accurate, "hair's" is also a contraction of the words "hair is." So, actually, "hair's" would be more correct here than "hairs," since in the sentence "you ask me why my hairs gray," gray would be the verb. It's obvious, though, that the intended verb is "is," because that other form is aqkward as hell - gramatically correct, yes, but no one talks like that. Hence "why my hair's gray."
(I'm taking a course this semester on natural language parsing. Don't fuck with me about grammar. :)
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Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 00:59:25 -0400 (EDT) From: sl080890@mailhost.sju.edu (Stephen LaMonica) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Thanks Message-ID: <199709290459.AAA03264@polaris.sju>
By the way, Brown,Neil Patrick. Thanks for the quote. I couldn't remember the exact quote, or location. Thanks a lot.
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Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 00:58:21 -0400 (EDT) From: sl080890@mailhost.sju.edu (Stephen LaMonica) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Christopher R. Merlo Message-ID: <199709290458.AAA03244@polaris.sju>
Let me apologize for my "stupid ass question!" I am soooo sorry to have taken time away from your sorry little life. I asked the question, because I wasn't sure of the exact quote. I forget, Christopher, that I am not as up to date as you are. I am truly sorry for wasting your time......do you see the sarcasm yet? I came on here to share my opinions, and ask questions when they came up. My questions, or the questions of others are not "stupid ass questions" and they do not deserve to be deemed as such. I can't believe you have the audacity to come on the web and pick fights with people who are trying to talk to people about Dream Theater. Why don't you just take your insignificant little complaints and shove them up your ass! I have no use for immature little worms like you Christopher. Thank you for your time. Stephen La Monica
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Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 01:56:41 -0400 From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Christopher R. Merlo Message-ID: <199709290556.BAA11818@ia.cs.wm.edu>
> Let me apologize for my "stupid ass question!" I am soooo sorry to have taken > time away from your sorry little life. I asked the question, because I wasn't > sure of the exact quote.
OK, dickhead, let's get the rules of the list straight.
First of all, there's a FAQ. You're supposed to read it *before* you post *anything* to the list. Have you read it? Apparently not.
> I forget, Christopher, that I am not as up to date as you are.
Of course not. You haven't read the FAQ. I spend what little free time I have updating the FAQ when I can so that a) you can find answers to all sorts of questions like yours, and b) so that the rest of the list members don't have to wade through your bullshit questions.
Excuse me for taking personal offense to your stupid ass question. Your welcome message told you to read the FAQ because I have spent the time keeping it in tact. Ignore my effort, and I get pissed.
> I am truly sorry for wasting your time......do you see the sarcasm > yet? I came on here to share my opinions, and ask questions when they came up. > My questions, or the questions of others are not "stupid ass questions" and > they do not deserve to be deemed as such. I can't believe you have the
Most people's questions aren't stupid ass questions. I enjoy reading most people's questions. Most people don't rehash questions that have already been discussed to death and put in the FAQ. Most people's questions challenge us to think about Dream Theater's music in new ways. You, however, asked a stupid ass question. You broke the rules of the list, and I called you on it. Deal with it.
> audacity to come on the web and pick fights with people who are trying to > talk to people about Dream Theater.
Actually, I didn't go onto the web to pick a fight. You came onto a mailing list and broke the rules. I got upset, and then you picked a fight.
> Why don't you just take your insignificant > little complaints and shove them up your ass! I have no use for immature > little worms like you Christopher. Thank you for your time.
And thank you for thinking rationally about your response, rather than assuming you were right and flying off the handle at me, attacking me personally rather than debating the issue at hand. Pick an issue, pal. It's not worth your time arguing over this. Read the FAQ, and then I invite you to post again when you have a new insight into something. But if all you're going to do is flame people and ask FAQs, then you ought to find a new batch of people to piss off.
------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ "640 K ought to be enough cmerlo@cs.wm.edu "@'/ ,. \`@" memory for everyone." -Gates d-man@dreamt.org /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.cs.wm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" -Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Maintainer of the Official Dream Theater Frequently Asked Questions List http://www.cs.wm.edu/~cmerlo/dtfaq.html
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Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 00:58:05 -0500 From: "Michael G. Jones" <mgjones@Mcs.Net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Christopher R. Merlo Message-ID: <19970929005805.29067@Venus.mcs.net>
On Sun, Sep 28, 1997 at 10:38:36PM -0700, Stephen LaMonica wrote: > > Let me apologize for my "stupid ass question!" I am soooo sorry to have taken > time away from your sorry little life. I asked the question, because I wasn't > sure of the exact quote. I forget, Christopher, that I am not as up to date > as you are. I am truly sorry for wasting your time......do you see the sarcasm > yet? I came on here to share my opinions, and ask questions when they came up. [..snip..]
Christopher was only pointing out that the question you asked is answered (prominently I may add...took me 5 seconds to find it) in the FAQ. By checking with the FAQ first, it cuts down some on the traffic that ends up on this list (which is already quite high right now, with FII having been just released).
When people don't read the FAQ first, the same questions get posted over and over again (i.e., "What's the line from Hamlet.....").
-- Mike Jones, mgjones@mcs.net _____________ Web Design: mike@biggorilla.com Progressive Genius( http://www.progmetal.org/ring )Progressive Metal Ring
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Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 01:57:45 -0400 (EDT) From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3039 Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.96.970929015403.88420A-100000@elk.uvm.edu>
On Sun, 28 Sep 1997 ytsejam@ax.com wrote: > > >Now if you've read through this, you must all go out and buy "Junta" right > >now! It's Phish's first album, and has many epic progressive songs - > >Divided Sky, You Enjoy Myself, Fluffhead... don't be fooled by the wacky > >titles, this stuff is awesome. > And if you don't feel like buying the album, feel free to take a stroll around the University of Vermont's campus with a hand-held tape recorder and stand outside any given dorm at any given time of day. You are sure to hear the album at least once.
Richie
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Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 02:11:53 -0700 (MST) From: durnik <durnik@goodnet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Intriguing indeed! FII a Concept album. Message-ID: <199709290911.CAA06481@goodnet.com>
I mentioned this briefly in passing on the amdt group, but I'm working on "cracking" the concept of FII so as to make it the focus of my upcoming annual Thoughts post. I welcome serious perspectives on this album now as they may help me past a part that I cannot deduce, understand, or thematically connect. Man, why am I even the one doing it... right-brained people are FAR better at interconnective themes. Left-brainers like me should just be tabbing it out and that's it. ;)
Something to ponder: a lot of it is about Us. (the fans).
-Mike Bahr-durnik@_goodnet.com-http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik/
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Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 10:42:30 +0100 From: "Neil Gallop" <nga@software-ag.de> To: "The Ytsejam Crowd" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: That word... Message-ID: <9709290950.AA12516@server3.software-ag.de>
Hi all
after all the posts objecting to the use of words like 'fuck' or 'shit' either in the Dream Theater lyrics or on the jam, it's now my turn to ask you to exercise a little self-restaint and refrain from using one particular word that unfortunately seems to be coming into fashion on the Jam.
The word I am referring to is the abbreviation commonly used when mentioning the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, or to put it in simple terms - nazi.
This is not a word to be played with and bandied around like asshole or butt-munch. This word is a painful word for most people in Germany (after 17 years here I almost consider myself to be German) as well as in countries like Israel, Russia and Poland. I find it truely offensive and obscene to use this word in jest. I don't know if there are any coloured people on the list, but you wouldn't go and call them niggers, would you? Please think before you use this word again.
Hate mail about this subject is welcome, but keep it off the Jam.
stay safe and happy listening Neil Gallop (nga@software-ag.de) Currently playing: The Gathering - Nighttime Birds
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Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 03:15:10 -0700 From: Eckie <eckie@asu.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: That word... Message-ID: <342F7FAE.73E1AB2D@asu.edu>
Sorry.
~Eckie
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Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 07:07:05 -0400 From: ed@ebytes.com (Ebytes) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Mike Bahr Original CDs and other DT items Message-ID: <34328963.36570023@mail.mindspring.com>
Hello all,
This will be my one and ONLY post about this to the list...
I'm currently selling off my Mike Bahr CDs, as well as a few other non-mainstream DT CDs to try and raise a little cash. If anyone is interested in these, please reply via private email. Shipping within the US is included in the prices on all CDs (and if you don't like my price, make me an offer).
Each of the following are $30.00 Subconscious (#426) When Dream and Today Unite (#30) Antiquities (#39) Scenes from a Memory (#54)
Each of the following are $20.00 Precious Things (#22) Instrumental Instrumental II No Sleep Since Brooklyn/Instrumental III
Thanks, Edwin -- Edwin Million Ebytes Infosystems ed@ebytes.com http://www.ebytes.com/ Web Design - Custom Graphics - Magic: the Gathering
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Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 06:42:11 -0500 From: wjwomack@tddeng00.fnts.com (Wade J. Womack) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Petrucci in Guitar World???? Message-ID: <199709291142.GAA16791@tddpd22.tddeng00.fnts.com>
>>Someone mentioned something Petrucci said in Guitar World about how >>Metropolis 2 will be _the_ song for those who miss the more technical stuff >>on their new album. Something about it being a crazy song.
>>I forgot who posted this, but does anybody know which issue this is in? I >>subscribe to this magazine, and I haven't seen anything like this in it. I >>think someone made this up. Would whoever posted this information please >>mention what issue that was (I'm not saying that your lying...I just >>haven't seen this at all). Please let me know, because I'm thinking this >>was some kind of joke that nobody caught. ------------------------
It's in the issue that is currently on the stands - I just bought it this past weekend. A friend of mine is also a subscriber to GW, and he hasn't recieved it, either. The article also states that JP will now have a monthly GW column!
That issue also includes an interview with Mike Rutherford of Genesis. The cover captian says "Prog Returns"!
Wade
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Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 15:17:06 From: Mika Numminen <aarre.n@swipnet.se> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: FII on the charts Message-ID: <3.0.1.16.19970929151706.222f5fc4@bamse.swip.net>
Swedish national radio channel P3, just played BMS, I can't believe it!! And they mentioned that it had entered the swedish album chart at #14!!! YES!
/me happy
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Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 09:23:36 -0400 (CST) From: "Miguel Farah F." <miguel@webhost.cl> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Quick Questions Message-ID: <199709291323.JAA21759@antonia.webhost.cl>
> >Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 22:07:46 -0400 >From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU> >To: ytsejam@ax.com >Subject: Re: Quick Questions >Message-ID: <199709290207.WAA15182@daffy.cs.wm.edu> > > >> Also, what is the quote from Hamlet at the end of Pull me Under? > >Are you new? Argh. See the .sig. > >And if I see one more stupid-ass question, or one more "unsubscribe me" >message, I'm going postal. *Everyone* that does stupid shit gets a copy of >the FAQ.
What do you mean? The new subscribers don't recibe automatically a copy of the FAQ? Or at least a pointer to it? (*I* didn't when I subscribed). That's the way it's done on TNMS, and it works (I'm about to suggest this to the Paperlate [Genesis] mailing list, too).
BTW, are old jams archived?
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Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 09:41:21 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jeremy C. Hallum" <jhallum@bu-ast.bu.edu> To: "Yzerjam: the Mailing list for DT/Red Wing Fans Worldwide" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: TNT plays TNM and YNM at beginning of Sunday Night Football!!! Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970929093819.21639B-100000@bu-ast.bu.edu>
> Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 19:17:06 -0500 (CDT) > From: Michael Torres <lilmikey@creighton.edu> > Subject: TNT sunday night football > > i have a quick question to anyone watching TNTs sunday night > football...where my ears playing tricks on me or did i hear DT in the > background when they were showing what happened two weeks ago with the > cowboys and eagles??
Damn, scooped again! Yup, there was various riffs from TNM and BMS in the opener on TNT for all of us DT fans who bleed Purple. It was awesomely cool.
-jeremy
+=====================================================================+ # grad student, Boston U. # "You've seen our Moon, # # Boston, MA 02134 # Now see our Johnson!" # # Astronomy # -seen on T-shirts all over Vikingland # #<*> Jeremy Hallum <*># referring to QBs W. Moon and B. Johnson # #<*> jhallum@bu.edu <*># Bleeding Purple since the tender age of 6.# #<*>jhallum@dreamt.org <*># http://bu-ast.bu.edu/~jhallum/ # +=====================================================================+
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Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 16:42:16 +0300 (EET DST) From: Antti Nyrhinen <nyrhinen@leandra.ebs.ee> To: Ytsejam Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Hail to Finland! Chart news on FII. Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.970929163326.2203B-100000@leandra.ebs.ee>
The top 14 of the Finnish album chart for week 39 stands:
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pos. last pos. weeks. 1 1 2 DON HUONOT: Hyv=E4=E4 y=F6t=E4 ja huomenta - TERRIE= R/BMG 2 2 5 LED ZEPPELIN: Remasters - ATLANTIC/WARNER 3 3 6 AQUA: Aquarium - UNIVERSAL/BMG 4 4 4 CMX: Cloaca Maxima - HERODES/EMI 5 NEW DREAM THEATER: Falling Into Infinity - EW/WARNER 6 7 5 SCOOTER: The Age Of Love - CLUB TOOLS/K-TEL 7 9 7 BACKSTREET BOYS: Backstreet's Back - JIVE/EMI 8 5 6 OASIS: Be Here Now - HELTER SKELTER/SONY 9 6 5 RASMUS: Playboys - EVIDENCE/FAZER/WARNER 10 8 32 MICHAEL JACKSON: HIStory - Book 1 - MJJ/EPIC/SONY 11 NEW ELTON JOHN: The Big Picture - MERCURY/POLYGRAM 12 17 2 MARIAH CAREY: Butterfly - COLUMBIA/SONY 13 12 10 MEREDITH BROOKS: Blurring The Edges - CAPITOL/EMI 14 NEW BJ=D6RK: Homogenic - MOTHER/POLYGRAM
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There you have it! Elton John and Bjork are SCREWED, they have no say against the mighty Dream Theater and its large, loyal and groovin' Finnish fan base :)
Besides, the album was on sale around Finland on Friday, so the sales of the first 2 days (Friday and Saturday), AFAIK, didn't even add to DT's total.
I'd like to hear news of DT's performance in other countries as well.. Sorry if my cut-and-paste piece is a bit lengthy, I thought some people might be interested in seeing the context as well, ie. who was DT 'competing against', and not just their chart position.
And one last thought before I go: Seeing that YNM has by far the most spelling mistakes, and it's the only song with lyrics (co-)written by a non-bandmember, should we assume that Desmond Child is dyslexic?
That's all, DT rocks forevaaah.
NP: Cake: Fashion Nugget (I'm sorry!! I'm at school and I left my only copy of FII at home..:))
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -=20 Antti Nyrhinen -- nyrhinen@leandra.ebs.ee -- Tel. +358-40-5858611=09 - Student of Int. Bus. Admin. at the Estonian Business School - - - - Find all you need in your mind if you take the time - - -=20
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Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 09:59:17 -0400 From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Quick Questions Message-ID: <199709291359.JAA21129@me.cs.wm.edu>
> What do you mean? The new subscribers don't recibe automatically a copy > of the FAQ? Or at least a pointer to it? (*I* didn't when I subscribed). > That's the way it's done on TNMS, and it works (I'm about to suggest > this to the Paperlate [Genesis] mailing list, too).
New subscribers receive a welcome message. It's a little dated, but it still has all the basic info. Included is an old link to the FAQ, which points to the new link to the FAQ. Also included, if memory serves me correctly, is a list of taboo topics, such as Metallica selling out, religion, etc etc... And it says that posters should be familiar with all this stuff before posting. And, by and large, when people respect this meager amount of rules, everyone gets more out of the list.
> BTW, are old jams archived?
Yup. I think there are archive instructions in the FAQ. If not, they're in that intro message.
------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ "640 K ought to be enough cmerlo@cs.wm.edu "@'/ ,. \`@" memory for everyone." -Gates d-man@dreamt.org /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.cs.wm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" -Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Maintainer of the Official Dream Theater Frequently Asked Questions List http://www.cs.wm.edu/~cmerlo/dtfaq.html
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