YTSEJAM Digest 3030
Today's Topics:
1) Garfield on FII???
by "Randy Shewey" <randyshewey@classic.msn.com>
2) Re: Brandon Elhai and APSOG
by Brandon Elhai <belhai@drew.edu>
3) I'VE FALLEN INTO INFINITY, AND I CAN'T GET UP!!!!
by JB <beamup@vt.edu>
4) it's me again...
by omeraron@mail.netvision.net.il
5) IQ - Subterranea
by "Michael Kohsiek" <MKOHSIEK@jurs1.jura.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE>
6) the words "FALLING INTO INFINITY" in BMS / TERRY BROWN
by Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@KR.FH-Niederrhein.DE>
7) Re: ASDF
by Shai Yallin <Yallin@Netvision.net.il>
8) Abbreviations (like TAMP)
by cronos@worldaccess.nl (Richard Karsmakers)
9) Anna Lee
by al682@osfn.rhilinet.gov (Dan Abosso)
10) Re: it's me again...
by "ÞrØgßø¥" <calfaro@caribe.net>
11) Falling Into Infinity pt.IV
by GnRBrks@aol.com
12) New album-song by song
by Buck Stodgers <stodgers@nations.net>
13) Backing Vocals
by Jon Dery <metropolis@net1plus.com>
14) WTF???????
by KillMary <caschulze@mindspring.com>
15) Chapman Stick
by Elliott Kim <ekim@gate.net>
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Date: Sat, 27 Sep 97 04:11:14 UT
From: "Randy Shewey" <randyshewey@classic.msn.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Garfield on FII???
Message-ID: <UPMAIL16.199709270608380790@classic.msn.com>
Ok kiddies take your FII cd booklet open it to page 1, outstretch your arms
in front of you and...... it's a pair of dueling Garfields, but where the hell
is Odie?(oh, I see he must be that big fuzzy penis looking thing on the
back.) Oh well, back to the flames & reviews.. R.S.
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Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 02:44:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brandon Elhai <belhai@drew.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Brandon Elhai and APSOG
Message-ID: <Pine.PMDF.3.95.970927023802.606213809A-100000@drew.edu>
Wow! I've been on the jam since 1994. It's about time someone put my name
in the subject title. :)
On Fri, 26 Sep 1997, Rob Doyle wrote:
> Rush has very rarely played all of 2112 in concert- usually they
> just play a few of the movements- but 2112 is still a SONG
> (yes, I realize it's different because APSOG has no other songs on it as
> 2112 [the album] does)
>
> I just don't get it why you don't think a band wouldn't play all of a song
> ever-
> Metallica (for example) does it all the time- they'll put together a big
> medley, or
> just play the beginning of something-
> even DT has played a whole bunch of songs only part way through.
That's an interesting point about 2112. But still, even though a band will
sometimes play a section of a song and not the whole thing, I think that
if you're gonna play part of it, you might as well play the whole thing.
I'm not taking into account time constraints at a concert though.
Have any of you tried to get a friend into APSOG? Why not play the "whole
song" for him. It'll only take 53 minutes. If Fates really wanted it to be
considered one song, they should have omitted the indexes.
Brandon
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Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 03:51:57 -0400
From: JB <beamup@vt.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: I'VE FALLEN INTO INFINITY, AND I CAN'T GET UP!!!!
Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19970927035157.007bec90@mail.vt.edu>
wow... I need a 50 disc changer for all the DT albums I have now... the 6
official releases I own (WDADU, IaW, Awake, ACOS, FII, Live at the
Marquee), plus the tremendous # of boots I've gotten from the Bahr-man
(thanks man!!).... this is just awesome... I only have a 5 disc changer,
and had to decide which official release album (ACOS or LatM) NOT to put
in... that's a first..
Anyway, to my retorts...
>is that APSOG is the better album as a whole while the individual songs on
FII are better than the ones on APSOG
how is this possible? Isn't APSOG one song? So how can it be a better
album, yet a worse song? Just not making sense to me... (but being up
programming for 32 hours straight may be doing it to me instead of this
comment)...
>could someone help me unsubscribe fromthis list?
hey Skadz... looks like it's time to email bomb people with the faq!!!! :)
>It actually hurts me to hear him sing on most of this album. I
>listen to him sing and I can hear him suppress the NATURAL VIBRATO in his
>voice. Read carefully: vibrato is a characteristic of a healthy,
>supported tone. That is a fact. It totally burns me up to hear him sing
>with no vibrato on practically the whole CD. Not to mention the fact that
>his pitch suffers because of it.
Especially when you've been trained in opera... the vibrato ingrains itself
into your technique even more so... I agree with you were at times it
actually hurts to hear him suppressing something he does so well, but there
are quite a few places where it just wouldn't have fit in (Verses of YNM &
TAMP, all of HY), and it sounds better w/o so much of it. I wouldn't say
he's overused it in the past, it's just nice to hear some change... but not
to the extent he's done it here (almost the whole album). The control and
style with which he uses his vibrato is simply beautiful, and it's a shame
he's almost completely omitted it on this album.
>some songs HAVE to be removed from the DT song list,like take away my
pain, >anna lee & of course you not me!i see here a BIG,HUGH AND
UN-NOTICE-UBLE >SELL OUT in these three titles,and if someone wanna argue
with me on this >one,better read the Kevin James LaBrie interview that goes
like:"we wanna sell as >many albums as we can,blah blah blah...."
ummmm.... I have to call this hand. Just because an artist says "we want
to sell as many albums as we can", is FAR FROM meaning "we sold out"....
If you're a musician, you're goal is to provide music that you love, your
fans love, and to sell albums... Theres nothing wrong with wanting to sell
as many as possible...hell, more of the world needs to be introduced to DT
anyway. I just can't see how you can equate selling out with selling
albums... if he had said "we've changed our style so that other people will
like us and we'll sell more albums that way"... then you have an
argument... here you have nothing but an opinion. Why is it so mentioned
that they're selling out by putting some different songs on an album? I
don't care for Anna Lee that much (though it is ever so slightly growing on
me, and I don't push 'skip' every time now), but all the songs on here are
DT... not a watered down DT... just DT with a different and progressed sound.
>LISTEN AND LISTEN GOOD:
>DREAM THEATER WITHOUT KEVIN MOORE ISN'T DREAM THEATER!!!!
by the logic of this statement... DREAM THEATER stopped being DT when
DOMINICI left the band... A band is still a band when someone leaves...
it's just a progression of sound... IMO Kevin would have made this album
worse... his tendancies in writing have gone from the IaW sounds that they
used to be to very strange, and very NON-DT!
> You Not Me doesn't belong on this record. If it's on Awake, it's
>one of the best tunes on the record. On FII, it sounds distinctly foreign.
I have to totally disagree here... YNM is strange on whatever album it's
on, but methinks it sounds even stranger on Awake.
>>Yes Mobby was a German mathematician. But the cool thing about the strip
>>is that it's really ONE DIMENSIONAL!!! It's really cool thing to waste
>>time thinking about.
>
>Well, it's one-SIDED, not one-dimensional. It's a one-sided, two-
>dimensional object that can only exist in three-dimensional space*.
unsubscirbe mathematics_lecture ytsejam
and finally...
>Hollow Years sounds a bit like Sting, and Anna Lee sounds like something
>between Queen and Pink Floyd.
can we get away from all this : "this song is between x-band and y-band"?
I'm tired of it... this is DT... this song is something between DT and
DT!!! Whereas the band may have general influences, I'm sure they didn't
intend for people to say, "Oh yeah, this must be a song by Queen that I
haven't heard yet". Thanks.
Just my $1.02 worth of the last 3 jams,
Jason
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Date: Sat, 27 Sep 97 11:09:18 PDT
From: omeraron@mail.netvision.net.il
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: it's me again...
Message-ID: <Chameleon.970927112455.omeraron@>
hey guys....
it's me again,don't worrie,it won't be long...
some of you didn't understand what i was saying the last time,and i
wanted to make things clear about the DT without kevin moore:
i didn't say that if any member of DT would drop out,there will be no
DT,i said kevin moore,and only kevin moore!
it didn't matter when charli droped out,because he wasn't the one
with the big overall "master plan".
you see,if you asked anybody who'd hunged out with DT while the
writing of the majesty demos,I&W,awake and ACOS (producers,felow
musicians,technitions ,or anybody that was around!) he will tell you
that Kevin moore was the "man with the vision" and he was the man who
writen 80% of their stuff,and i know that for a fact! the
combination of melodic,the mood change in the songs,the strange
messures and all the other things DT stand for was invented by him!
and i know that there is traces of him on FII,because the other
members hunged out with him for like 6 years,and gotta learn
something from him....
and if someone even try to bring up the song SDV,you cn forget about
it,it's one of the best dream theater songs i ever heard and you
cannot compare it to shit like anna lee,and take away my pain(which
by the way,was written for JP father,but the lyrics and the music r
totally different things,it doesn't means that the song wasn't a sell
out just because he dedicated it to his father!)
the apearans of the desmond child didn't tell you anything????
please think before writing.
omer-ISRAEL
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Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 12:04:42 100
From: "Michael Kohsiek" <MKOHSIEK@jurs1.jura.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: IQ - Subterranea
Message-ID: <2B761D2275@jurs1.jura.uni-osnabrueck.de>
Hey guys!
If you're interested in reading everything about the fantastic new
prog-rock-epos from IQ called "Subterranea" than you have to check
out the new big-review on my homepage.
See you there!
Michael
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Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 12:28:14 -0700
From: Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@KR.FH-Niederrhein.DE>
To: ytsejam@ax.com, ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: the words "FALLING INTO INFINITY" in BMS / TERRY BROWN
Message-ID: <342D5E4E.3337@kr.fh-niederrhein.de>
Hi
The words "Falling Into Infinity" are there.
I've recorded "Burning My Soul" as a 44 Hz, 16 bit wave file.
I've played the sample 40 % slower then the original speed and I found out
that, at the begining of the song, someone wispering: "Falling Into Infinity".
It's really cool.
Is Burning My Soul released as a comercial single or only for radio ?
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The ideal producer for the next DT album (maybe Metropolis II) is definetly
TERRY BROWN. Any suggestions ?
Btw, I hope they will put all other songs like "Rise The Knife", "Speak To Me"
"Where Are You Know", "The Way It Used To Be" and "Cover My Eyes" also on the
Metropolis II EP.
Maybe we should make a patention !
Arash
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Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 16:00:08 +0200
From: Shai Yallin <Yallin@Netvision.net.il>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: ASDF
Message-ID: <342D1168.2E80@Netvision.net.il>
>
> I want to suscribe to the Ytsejam mailing list.
>
No, you don't. Believe me. You don't
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Date: Sat, 27 Sep 97 13:57:35 GMT
From: cronos@worldaccess.nl (Richard Karsmakers)
To: ytsejam@ax.com (Ytsejam Mailing List)
Subject: Abbreviations (like TAMP)
Message-ID: <M.092797.155735.30@wxs8-2.worldaccess.nl>
Say...
Do abbreviations actually make much of a difference when it comes to bandwith?
On a mailing list that tends to wander and have big .sigs anyway, that is?
TAMP, for example, is Dutch slang for 'penis', and although it doesn't offend
me, would you readily abbreviate the title of DT ever decided to record a song
called "Cohesions Under Nottingham's Tree" or something?
Abbreviations only make sure you sometimes really wonder what the hell you
guys are talking about. I'll settle for DT or even NDTC.
:-)
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Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 10:31:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: al682@osfn.rhilinet.gov (Dan Abosso)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Anna Lee
Message-ID: <199709271431.KAA00341@osfn.org>
Why does everyone (just about) hate this song? I think it's
a welcome addition.
- Dan
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Wave upon wave of demented avengers
March cheerfully out of obscurity into the dream..
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Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 11:07:39 -0400
From: "ÞrØgßø¥" <calfaro@caribe.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: it's me again...
Message-ID: <342D213A.74ABFE64@caribe.net>
omeraron@mail.netvision.net.il wrote: i didn't say that if any member of
DT would drop out,there will be no
> DT,i said kevin moore,and only kevin moore!
> it didn't matter when charli droped out,because he wasn't the one
> with the big overall "master plan".
erm... ok
> you see,if you asked anybody who'd hunged out with DT while the
> writing of the majesty demos,I&W,awake and ACOS (producers,felow
> musicians,technitions ,or anybody that was around!) he will tell you
> that Kevin moore was the "man with the vision" and he was the man who
> writen 80% of their stuff,and i know that for a fact! the
> combination of melodic,the mood change in the songs,the strange
> messures and all the other things DT stand for was invented by him!
>
>
ok.. man.,I know im being harsh but i cant help it after reading your
comments,.you should take Kevins cock out of your mouth before writing to
the jam..
>
>
> please think before writing.
> omer-ISRAEL
Isnt it ironic??..Dont ya think?
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There is a river crying
Living comes much easier
Once we admit , We're dying.
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Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 11:09:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: GnRBrks@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Falling Into Infinity pt.IV
Message-ID: <970927110854_780035793@emout02.mail.aol.com>
I know,I know,you're thinking why doesn't this guy get it over with . Well I
just have to take my time. I ,along with a few others,are "really" listening
to the "Musical content" and enjoying the HELL out of it!!! I can't believe
the Italian jammer who said "DREAM THEATER WITHOUT KEVIN MOORE IS NOT DREAM
THEATER."
How naive a statement is that? Pretty damn naive. Go to the bio page and read
about who the three founding members are and take alook at who is still
there. JP,JM and of course MP. I think it would be very different if one of
these guys left.But after seeing KM on some videos and the LiT vid it was
apparent that ONLY his playing and writing skills were being used. Its hard
to see him REALLY getting into a performance. It just is very hard to see.
<Snip>
Sorry to ramble..............(goes to get his flame retardent suit on.)
"Take Away My Pain"
When this one started I thought I was listening to a different CD. But now I
look forward to hearing it. I get chills on the chorus when DS playes that
haunting key line,absolutely the most tasteful thing I've heard in a long
time.The chorus.....who says they need Desmond Child to write a great song.JP
outdid himself on the lyrics and guitar. One of his best to date. This is a
very mature song from him.
"Just Let Me Breathe"
Am I the only one who thinks that the bridge starting with "Strike uo your
best angst ridden posture" that JLB sounds JUST like Joey Belladona from
Anthrax,the old Anthrax.I thinks it's extremely cool. Mike Portnoy is an
animal on this one.Right from the start. But the highlight for me is the
second verse.DS absolutely is all over the place here. The nasty hammond
comping around the lyrics is awesome. I LOVE DEREK'S PLAYING.
There all for now.
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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 11:16:24 -0700
From: Buck Stodgers <stodgers@nations.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: New album-song by song
Message-ID: <3426B5F8.3380@nations.net>
Hello,
Some quick thoughts:
NM - Anyone else think this sounds like heavy Spock's Beard? Great song,
but a terrible choice to open an album. A bit too sprawling to grab your
attention right off.
YNM - Does not fit on this album at all. Great lyrics, but far too pop
oriented musically (gee, with Desmond Child writing?). Not a bad song,
but just not right for the overall tone of this album.
PS - Classic DT right off the bat. This song had my jaw dropping, fist
pumping, and head banging all at once. The section where the distortion
kicks in reeks of Megadeth, IMHO, especially the muted riff.
HY - The lyrics on this read like a heavy song, so I was surprised it was
acoustic (I had the album for five hours before I could listen to it =
definition of torture). I haven't come to a judgement on this one yet.
BMS - This song should have opened the album. Instant ball grabber and
the first song I go to in my car when this CD goes in. I cannot wait for
this live (again, heheh...).
HK - Not what I expected from the title. A pleasant change from the
"flashy" instrumentals on WDATU and Awake. A great interlude in the
middle of the album.
LitS - Glad to hear Derek finally. I think this is the first song he
really stands out on. But his tone on the song is too muddy. Don't like
Pinnick's voice on this (or on KX for that matter). Haven't listened to
it enough to come to any conclusion.
TAMP - Sounds a bit like some Water-era Saigon Kick to me, which of
course means I like it. Though the lyrics (as on YNM) seemed a bit
contrived to me.
JLMB - Heheh... This rocks. Cool solos too. Heheh...
AL - Don't see what the bitching's about. A great song with great lyrics.
James should write more. So what if it's slow and moddy, so was WfS and
no one complains about that.
ToT - Only listened to it once so far. Sorry. Kill me if you want.
That's my feeling on the whole song by song thing. I can't wait to hear
all of these live and get boots of it. I think the whole album would
benefit from live performance, more so than any of their others. Their
tones and individual instrumental will likely stand out more.
I think the album has one significant fault that it shares with
VH's Balance: poor song order. Whoever posted the order that started with
BMS was right (though he should include Anna Lee). More to come.
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Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 11:33:50 -0400
From: Jon Dery <metropolis@net1plus.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Backing Vocals
Message-ID: <342D275E.3339@net1plus.com>
Jonathan Case wrote:
> I wonder if anyone know's of any way to distinguish who sings what on
> the accompanying parts
Actually, I think this could make for some great FAQ content. Maybe get
a list of all of the new songs and which members sing backing vocals on
each one. What do you think, D-Man?
~-~Jon Dery~-~
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Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 12:26:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: KillMary <caschulze@mindspring.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: WTF???????
Message-ID: <199709271626.MAA17616@brickbat8.mindspring.com>
>From: JB <beamup@vt.edu>
>SHIT!!!! I didn't realize that Kevin Shirley HIMSELF was a subscriber!!!!!
>
>How the hell can you take something like this personally? You didn't have
>jack shit to do with the production... stop taking credit for it, you
>didn't contribute.
Dude, are you on crack? Did I ever want to take credit for it? Is that what
I said? Go and get some sleep, you're seeing things. You're obviously seeing
things I never wrote. hah! some people.
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Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 12:25:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: Elliott Kim <ekim@gate.net>
To: The Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Chapman Stick
Message-ID: <199709271625.MAA18738@spool3.gate.net>
I have a partial answer to the Chapman Stick question.
At JP's clinic, he played along to a DAT of some of the new songs. He
mentioned that "New Millenium" features Myung on the Chapman Stick.
The bass guitar parts and some of what sounds like a clean electric guitar
on that track would be the Chapman Stick.
-- Elliott Kim -- ekim@gate.net -- e-man@dreamt.org --
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