YTSEJAM Digest 3047
Today's Topics:
1) vibrato
by Shamus Jary Mcconney <mcconney@ucet.ufl.edu>
2) Flush GRUNGE down the drain :)
by Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
3) Re: sullied/solid/etc
by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3046
by "Partha S. Mukhopadhyay" <pmukhop@med.wayne.edu>
5) Dropping the case
by kylania <kylania@radiks.net>
6) FII review
by David Edwards <bub@maine.rr.com>
7) that Chris Merlo guy
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
8) merlo
by Thrak75@aol.com
9) DT NEWS-Millenium Project
by Gonzo1298@aol.com
10) Re: FII review
by Chris Genigeski <chris.g@nethawk.com>
11) Glam (revisted)
by "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
12) Sullied/Solid
by sigma@cafebbs.com
13) Hell's Kitchen - the origination
by The Phoenix <rctaylor@students.uiuc.edu>
14) A&R ---NDTC
by "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
15) Fii songs..
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
16) Merlo
by sl080890@mailhost.sju.edu (Stephen LaMonica)
17) Wall of sound
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
18) Jon Lord?
by Marcelo Vanzin <vanzin@geocities.com>
19) Quick notice
by durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
20) FII in the UK & Australia, local vs. net/mailorder purchasing
by "Paul Bird" <birdp@mira.net>
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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 17:34:53 -0400
From: Shamus Jary Mcconney <mcconney@ucet.ufl.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: vibrato
Message-ID: <199709302134.RAA37314@gibson.ucet.ufl.edu>
Vibrato is the periodic change of amplitude, periodic meaning in cycles. In
english, it's gooing back and forth between two different volumes. Usualy
one is the original volume of the sound and the second is lower. Vibrato can
be applied to and sound by either phisical means, like when singing or using a
Leslie cabnet, of electronicaly, like a guitar of studio effect. Good
examples of what vibrato sounds like on guitar can be heard in Voices off
Awake and in Black Loung form Anthrax's The Sound of White Noice album.
Shamus McConney
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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 21:46:44 +0000
From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Flush GRUNGE down the drain :)
Message-ID: <34317344.3F54@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
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Thought you all might be interested in this little bit 'o GOOD NEWS!
So anyone else got the feeling that everything's gonna be allright yet,
or what?
Regards,
Jon
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]From: "Jan Perry" <jperry@billboard.com>
Subject: RE: Question for you
To: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
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Hello Jon,
Dream Theater's album just became eligible to chart this week. If it sells =
enough (and off the record I'm sure it will), it will hit the charts in =
Billboard's October 11 issue. Check it out -- it hits newsstands this =
Saturday.
Thank you for your interest in Billboard Charts.
Jan Marie Perry
Billboard Charts Department
Jon Parmet wrote:
>Any news on how many of Dream Theater's new Release Falling Into
>Infinity has sold? I'm a HUGE fan, and have been unable to find =
>any
>information on it.
>
>Any help you might provide would be greatly appreciated!
>
>
>Regards,
>
>Jon
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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 17:49:30 -0400
From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: sullied/solid/etc
Message-ID: <199709302149.RAA23417@daffy.cs.wm.edu>
> Don't be too quick to change it. I have two separate copies of Hamlet that
> both use "Solid." And it sounds more like "Solid" in the song, and "Solid"
> seems to make more sense given the following line, "[would melt] Thaw, and
> resolve itself into a dew"
>
> But maybe you should point out that some editions of Hamlet say "sullied."
Thanks for the clarification, Max. I'll do that.
-Chris
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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 18:06:36 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Partha S. Mukhopadhyay" <pmukhop@med.wayne.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3046
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.970930180431.29098B-100000@moose>
> DT released a 23-min song on September 19th '95
> And then they released a new CD on SEPTEMBER 23rd '97....
> Very strange, don't you think?
Yep.....i for one sure can't wait for the double CD that's coming out on
September 27, 1999........
as for solid/sullied.....ummmm, it's James Labrie singing.....sooo,
whatever you hear is just as likely to be correct as the other......
partha
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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 16:52:50 -0500 (CDT)
From: kylania <kylania@radiks.net>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Dropping the case
Message-ID: <Pine.SV4.3.96.970930164807.20249A-100000@sr.radiks.net>
> From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
>
> The Problem: The music has stopped playing, but the dream is still in
> your head :) You catch yourself singing, humming, moving about in
> strange time signatures; and then, instead of paying attention to what
> you are supposed to, it happens:
>
> YOU DROP THE CASE!!!! AHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!
How right you are! This happened to me... I finally stopped the
cd long enough to get it to my car, where, while humming ToT, i started to
air drum along not remembering I was holding the cd!! It fell to the
ground and got a scratch right in the beginning of PS!!! I promptly ran
to Best Buy, bought another copy and gave the "used" one to my brother. :)
Dave
-- "They just took away all my promises, make them take away my pain. You took away my hero. Will you take away my pain?" -J. Petrucci for J.E. Petrucci------------------------------
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 17:56:30 -0400 From: David Edwards <bub@maine.rr.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: FII review Message-ID: <01BCCDCA.2EDE9C00.bub@maine.rr.com>
Just found this one at:
Just please don't shoot the messenger...I don't agree with it.
David
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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 15:24:55 -0700 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: that Chris Merlo guy Message-ID: <199709302224.PAA00962@gms.gmsnet.com>
GAWD!! He's such a dick isn't he?
YOu FAQ FUQQER!
:)
-The Doc
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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 18:44:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Thrak75@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: merlo Message-ID: <970930184121_1010736620@emout12.mail.aol.com>
In a message dated 9/30/97 17:40:14, you wrote:
>What I mean to say is this. This list is my extended family. People that try >to bring dischord into any of my families generally tends to get the shit end >of the stick from me.
abner louima, anyone?
woo hah! ytsegoon
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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 19:47:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Gonzo1298@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: DT NEWS-Millenium Project Message-ID: <970930194537_1476526718@emout14.mail.aol.com>
This from Tony's Levin's web page, sorry if this has been posted: >>Well, we finished the rhythm tracks of the project currently titled "Millenium Project" - Mike Portnoy and John Petrucci of Dream Theater, Jordan Rudes of Dixie Dregs -- and me, trying to keep up! (Boy, these guys play FAST! ) Hopefully that cd will be ready for release by the end of the year (it'll be on Magna Carta Records, and I'll put up a note and link when it's ready.) We had some amusing moments, some of the riffs being so fast I must admit I had to punch in my bass parts bar by bar. (no shame!)<<
Gonzo
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Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 19:46:00 -0400 From: Chris Genigeski <chris.g@nethawk.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: FII review Message-ID: <34303DB8.F75C6E35@nethawk.com>
David Edwards wrote:
> Just found this one at: > > http://www.wallofsound.com > > Just please don't shoot the messenger...I don't agree with it. > > David
If anyone knows where I can get ahold of this reviewer (Bob Remstein), please let me know. The dumb bastard needs to be beat down.
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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 20:08:49 -0400 (EDT) From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Glam (revisted) Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.96.970930195455.80490C-100000@gnu.uvm.edu>
On Tue, 30 Sep 1997 ytsejam@ax.com wrote: > > Besides, the last Stryper album "Against the Law" dropped the > yellow-and-black threads, trashed the glam image, and pushed the Christian > message so far into the background it wasn't much more than a memory. That > album rocks, and rocks hard. Try picking it up and see if you aren't > surprised by the crunch and tasteful musicianship. Similar things happened > with Van Halen and Def Leppard, except of course that they're still around > and the other glam bands I mentioned are gone. (Well, Dokken isn't, but > they're fading).
Not to be picky here...but some "glam" bands who have recently put out albums include:
Motley Crue (who debuted at #4 on Billboard in June, with Generation Swine) Warrant (who put out a live album over the summer) Poison (whose record company put out a Greatest Hits album, with liner notes written by Bret Michaels, and they are currently writing for the next album with a projected '98 release) Slaughter (Revolution) Dokken (Shadowlife) (already mentioned) Night Ranger (Neverland) Ratt (who put out Collage and are currently being courted by Sony)
Richie
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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 20:26:04 -0500 From: sigma@cafebbs.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Sullied/Solid Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.17.9.30.-12.26.4.2242097606.661745@cafebbs.com>
D-Man speakth:
>Hmm. Anyone got a copy of Hamlet lying around?
I thought you'd never ask...
There are actually 3 flavors of Hamlet that are used today, one of them rarely. In the Second Quarto, it's printed as "sallied", which is an alternate spelling for "sullied". In the Folio, it's written "solid". So this means we have absolutely no idea what James was saying.
Enough education. /**********************************************************/ /* SiGMA */ /* sigma@cafebbs.com */ /* */ /* Sent from The Electric Cafe */ /**********************************************************/
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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 19:34:26 -0500 (CDT) From: The Phoenix <rctaylor@students.uiuc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Hell's Kitchen - the origination Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970930192831.21672A-100000@ux8.cso.uiuc.edu>
So I was watching the Simpson's today. It was the one Halloween episode where Homer sells his soul for a doughnut. And when he signs the contract, a little demon appears with the doughnut on a platter. And this little demon is wearing an apron that says "Hell's Kitchen" on it! A few of the members of DT (especially MP) are Simpson's fans, so that leads me to the conclusion that this is where they got the name. Maybe we can add this to the barrel of questions to be asked for the FAQ.
-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_- | Robert Taylor The world may seem flown away | | rctaylor@uiuc.edu Almost as if it cannot be saved | | The Phoenix Will we be able to rise | | From these ashes we've sown | -~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-
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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 19:54:39 -0400 (EDT) From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: A&R ---NDTC Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.96.970930194553.80490B-100000@gnu.uvm.edu>
On Tue, 30 Sep 1997 ytsejam@ax.com wrote: > > Could some kind souls here send me LOADS of record company addresses? > A friend of mine has a cock/hard rock project an he is searhing for > label... He asked me to get him addresses from net, so.. if you have > konwledge of such things, please enlighten me via private e-mail. > Sorry to post this to the jam, but I'm in a rush and I didn't feel like jotting down your addy. I just wanted to say that most labels (especially the majors) don't accept unsolicited material, meaning material that they haven't asked for, meaning random people sending stuff in. A&R people mostly rely on recommendations from people they trust in the industry (managers, lawyers, coworkers, etc); people who have a proven track record with them. And even in these cases, they are still flooded with tapes. So it stands to reason that they just physcially don't have time to listen to something without anyone's recommendation. If you send it in just off-the-cuff, chances are you will get it returned to you, unopened. Whether this is right or wrong is another issue. If youy have any more questions about this kind of stuff, feel free to e-mail ME privately (how's that for irony).
Richie
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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 20:57:18 -0300 From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Fii songs.. Message-ID: <343191DE.64A9F09F@caribe.net>
Now its time to make Midis of the Fii songs!! .. has anyone thought of this??? I dont have a keyboard so i cant do it :) (how arrogant..asking other ppl to do it :) heheh Has anyone tried this yet? :)
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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 20:49:16 -2800 (EDT) From: sl080890@mailhost.sju.edu (Stephen LaMonica) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Merlo Message-ID: <199710010049.UAA02122@polaris.sju>
Thank you for accepting my apology. I still think that you are stubborn, but hey, I am Italian too (judging from you last name) so I am a stubborn prick when I want to be :) Anyway, on with FII. Does anybody notice that in the end of You Not Me, there is a faint voice in the background?? It sounds like sampling of some sort. If anyone knows what this is, please let me know. Furthermore, I totally agree with what a lot of people are saying about Derek. He does bring a rather jazzy feel to DT. A very welcome addition in my opinion! In one sense, I like him better than Moore in that he experiments with his sounds more. Moore is a better keyboardists though, so don't jump all over me. Anyway, good to see that we could put our differences aside Merlo....by the way, why does PMU end so......just kidding :) Stephen La Monica
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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 21:19:20 -0300 From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Wall of sound Message-ID: <34319708.4D7E2168@caribe.net>
Ive just read the ignorant review on
I have a proposition..why dont all of us go there and write our own review of Fii, but please keep in mind we want to sound intelligent.. as all dt fans are :) So in depth reviews would be cool... not just saying " bob is a prick because he cant understand dt.."
lets show these guys that dt's following is intelligent and very passionate...
thanx
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Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 02:57:55 -0300 From: Marcelo Vanzin <vanzin@geocities.com> To: Freaks R Us <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Jon Lord? Message-ID: <33FBD8E3.25AF595B@geocities.com>
Hey there jammanoids!!!
After someone posted here about Derek sounding like Purple's Jon Lord on "Just Let me Breathe"... Wow! I took a better listen, tooking care to listen the keyboards, and it's there!!! =) It sounds exactly like Jon Lord! =) Also, if you haven't listened the words "Falling into Infinity" in the album (yet), just turn the volume all way up in the very 1st second of "Burning my Soul", it's there, almost unlistenable. =) Thanks for one jammer for that one too! (I'm really horrible with names =) ).
Man, "Take Away my Pain" is a really catchy song. =) After "Lines in the Sand", my favorite! =) -- []'s /**********************************************\ |* Marcelo Vanzin *| |* vanzin@geocities.com *| |* http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/6308/ *| \**********************************************/
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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 18:26:43 -3100 (MST) From: durnik <durnik@goodnet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Quick notice Message-ID: <199710010126.SAA15198@goodnet.com>
The Prism Records web page is updated
http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik/
As of today. No new CDs opened, just catching up on the backlog, adding tons of new information, and a sale/trade/buy section for band-related and other collectible stuff that I know most Jammers are into.
-Mike Bahr-durnik@_goodnet.com-http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik/
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Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 11:29:48 +1000 From: "Paul Bird" <birdp@mira.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: FII in the UK & Australia, local vs. net/mailorder purchasing Message-ID: <199710010130.LAA10939@mail.mel.aone.net.au>
>I ordered FII from a mail order company called CDX based in Cardiff. I >ordered it on Monday morning (22/9) and received it Friday morning >(26/9). The cost was only 13:99 UKPounds INCLUDING postage ! - probably >less than you're going to pay in HMV or Virgin for the UK version. > >CDX phone no. is 01222 843604 and web page is http://www.cdx.co.uk/ > >Remember, order before lunchtime Monday - get it on Friday ! Tell them I >sent you ... I MIGHT get a discount (there again I might not !).
UK jammers may be interested in purchasing FII from CD Universe (www.cduniverse.com) or CD Now (www.cdnow.com), US internet CD retailers. These places are large and reliable and I have used both in the past. I generally find CD Universe to be cheaper for small orders.
One copy of FII from CD Universe costs $US12.95, with $US5.99 shipping (standard air mail, 5 -10 days) for the first item. Shipping for additional CDs is $US1.50. This equates to a total of around 11.72 english pounds to order a single CD air mail, or 20.66 pounds for two. You can of course pay extra for quicker shipping. I find the air mail option takes around 6-8 days (quoted at 5-10 days by them) to reach me in Melbourne, Australia - I imagine shipping to the UK would almost certainly be quicker than this. For aussies reading this, the australian shipping cost is $US7.49 with each additional item costing $US1.75.
Hope that helps! Australian CD prices are very high, so these kinds of prices are attractive, but the shipping cost tends to cancel out any saving unless you buy more than one. So, in Australia, internet buying is best for bulk orders or hard-to-get CDs. FII apparently wasn't getting a local release in Australia, so I ordered two copies from CD Universe weeks before sept 23 and they were shipped on sept 22nd, to arrive on the 30th here. You can do this with any new release - order it before the US release date, and it will be shipped the *day before* this date.
When I was thinking about buying from overseas vs. buying locally, it got me thinking. If an album DOES get a local release, could people who buy mail/net order from the US be jeopardising the chance of a local tour by that album's performer? I imagine that band managers decide to have the band tour a particular region/country only if local album or single sales are strong. Any comments on this by people who know the music industry (i.e. not me!)?
Still hoping that one magical day there could be an Australian DT tour,
Paul Bird birdp@mira.net
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